[libreoffice-users] Re: Too much Politics?
sophi wrote I agree with you, several of the discussions happening here should happen on the discuss@ list ... Sophie, is there some reason why under the Nabble interface the global discuss@ list is not included under the LibreOffice group, whereas most l10n / regional groups do include a discuss@ list? - Best wishes, Owen. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Too-much-Politics-tp4118172p4118375.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Too much Politics?
On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:39:37 +0100 Jon Harringdon jonathan.harring...@virgin.net wrote: The LO users mailing list is the only one I've ever encountered where people are MUCH more interested in debating Office politics and Administrivia than actual product features, bugs, workarounds etc. That's not my impression. I haven't read the list in days (slammed at work), so there were 180+ unread emails in it, for me. Only one (1) of them was political: I.e.: Referenced the adoption of LibréOffice by an organization. The only other non-tech-support related threads I found were, ironically, those started by you: See you later, I'm gone, and this one. As for the Hey, lookit who just adopted open document formats!: I've seen that kind of thing on many project mailing lists in which I've participated, over the years. For the average user, the spectacle offered by this list can be pretty off-putting. Just saying... You need to get out more. Or, then again, perhaps not ;) This list, other than the activities by our resident troll (whose name shall not be mentioned), is pleasantly free of rancor. And, I would note, appears to be populated by an exceedingly friendly, helpful group of people. (Save the aforementioned troll, who I have permanently bit-bucketed.) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
On 08/08/2014 12:47 PM, Pikov Andropov wrote: Joel Madero wrote on 8/8/2014 12:39 PM: I really just got a little laugh (not following the thread generally) but: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on 8/8/2014 9:59 AM: Everything really depends on you neighbors' needs, and wants. You need to discuss with them what they want our of the software packages you install for them. Not my neighbors! They want to be able to open DOC files, write letters, maybe do a simple spreadsheet. So compatibility with MSO files is super-important. Software should be transparent. Having software should be transparent next to be able to open DOC files (doc of course being closed source proprietary software for years controlled by a company who is anything but transparent) reads a bit comical :) What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary program? The operator of LO would like to be able to just click on that file's icon or name have LO open it, without having to know anything else about LO or Microsoft. That's what I meant by transparent. If you just want to use the .doc, .xlt, etc., file formats, LibreOfice will do fine. For MS Office, the formats ending with x is a problem even for their older version. MSO 2007 might have trouble reading DOCX files created from the newer versions, even though they are all called a DOCX file. MSO keeps changing things inside the x file formats, especially the latest version. That is why I always tell the MS Office users I know to save the files in the formats without the x on the end. I have to say it simply like that since most would mot know things like OOXML or other term I could use. Still get some x files emailed to me and most work fine for me and LibreOffice. It seems that every major version release of LibreOffice seems to get these x documents to read better and better - for those few that do not work well. I have a Windows laptop that has some Word reader packages from MS and the problem .docx files are a problem with the latest Word reader I use. SO it may not be LibreOffice but the version of MS Office that sends me these documents. So, if your neighbors do not have MSO installed, have them try LibreOffice. For the Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Red Hat systems, well there is no other options for them. They cannot get a MS Office version for Linux. Also, the cost of getting a package for each and every system that might be able to run MS Office could be too expensive for you neighbors' pockets. Even one copy is too much for mine. Plus, I will not lease any software, like MS wants you. If you are late on your payments, then you lose access to your documents - plus they could double the lease pricing and you would have to pay it or also lose your access. You have to buy the package of MSO to be safe - well that is my opinion and should not be commented on in this thread since it was covered well months ago in its own thread. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
On 08/08/2014 12:54 PM, Sophie wrote: Hi Pikov, Le 08/08/2014 18:47, Pikov Andropov a écrit : Joel Madero wrote on 8/8/2014 12:39 PM: I really just got a little laugh (not following the thread generally) but: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on 8/8/2014 9:59 AM: Everything really depends on you neighbors' needs, and wants. You need to discuss with them what they want our of the software packages you install for them. Not my neighbors! They want to be able to open DOC files, write letters, maybe do a simple spreadsheet. So compatibility with MSO files is super-important. Software should be transparent. Having software should be transparent next to be able to open DOC files (doc of course being closed source proprietary software for years controlled by a company who is anything but transparent) reads a bit comical :) What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary program? you're right, this is not the program that is important but the file format. Giving the ability to the users to retrieve the data he owns over years is the real important thing. The operator of LO would like to be able to just click on that file's icon or name have LO open it, without having to know anything else about LO or Microsoft. The day Microsoft will abandoned the binary file format it produces, this operator will regret to not use LibreOffice and its default ODF file format. This is not just like clicking on a button, this is data you produced and where you should remain the only proprietary, not the software that produced it. Kind regards Sophie Thanks Sophie. I think that is one reason why ODF has become the ISO for International office file transfer, or something like that. Cannot seem to find the correct wording. We needed a non proprietor set of file formats that can be used by people, businesses, governments, and large organizations, to send back and forth to each other and be usable by everyone. MS just did not want that, so it seemed to me. More and more governments and larger National and International organizations have started to announce that they are switching to ODF and some are also saying they are switching to LibreOffice to do this. But, the key is the switch over to ODF. If the office suite implements ODF properly, then they should be able to read - and work with - any ODF file that was sent to them by any other - different - office suite package that these users are not using on their local systems. For me, and my opinions - I thing MS does not want this type of read from any source idea, even their own older office suites. They want to make money selling their newest office suite to users, so they make it so you need to upgrade your older version to be compatible with their newer version's OOXML file formats. That is why some of the people now send out .doc files - they have several versions of MSO in their company and cannot afford to buy every user a new version when they add an new system and have to buy the newest version of MSO for it. I have dealt with one local government that has MSO 2003, 2007, 2010, and now 2013. They cannot afford to pay out the money to upgrade all of their systems with the newest version, every time they replace a system - or add one. I still am trying to get them to look into LibreOffice as a cost saving solution. Many of the tech support people, from many organization [like the local government] know and like LibreOffice, but the upper management seems stuck on using MSO and will not change the way they always do things. Well, there is a movement to go to ODF by my State's government, so when that happens, the local governments may go that way also. LibreOffice - in my opinion - is the best option for supporting ODF in an office suite market. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
At the risk of adding to the political noise... On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 09:46:12 -0400 Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: [snip] For MS Office, the formats ending with x is a problem even for their older version. MSO 2007 might have trouble reading DOCX files created from the newer versions, even though they are all called a DOCX file. MSO keeps changing things inside the x file formats, especially the latest version. [snip] Still get some x files emailed to me and most work fine for me and LibreOffice. It seems that every major version release of LibreOffice seems to get these x documents to read better and better - for those few that do not work well. I have a Windows laptop that has some Word reader packages from MS and the problem .docx files are a problem with the latest Word reader I use. SO it may not be LibreOffice but the version of MS Office that sends me these documents. [snip] Yup. In fact: I've seen where people send x files to my coworkers, coworker sends HelpDesk complaint I can't read this file, I have them try LibréOffice, and LibréOffice renders it just fine. Hasn't happened often, but it has happened. It's important for individuals and businesses to understand this: For-profit companies make money off selling you stuff (duh). They can't sell you a New Thing if you're happy with the Old Thing. How might demand for the New Thing be... enhanced? Well, I suppose one way *might* be that what the New Thing creates is subtly incompatible with the Old Thing. Not that I'd accuse anybody of *purposely* doing such a thing--unless it was, you know, necessary or unavoidable ;) At work we're avoiding that problem, to the extent possible, by standardizing on MS-Win7 and MSO 2007. (The former because it's not too different from MS-WinXP, the latter because it's the latest that most installs already had.) It's getting increasingly difficult to find *legitimate* copies of retail versions of these packages, but we expect to have the entire organization's upgrade cycle completed before the supply dries up entirely. N.B.: For many installs we first try installing only LibréOffice, and only buy install MSO if LO absolutely will not work for the user. As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint. (MS-Win8 was the last straw, even for her.) Mind you: I *used* to actually recommend Microsoft solutions for many users (with caveats). Wouldn't use it, myself, because it just did not work for me--for the way I use computers. (Nor did Apple solutions.) I feel I can no longer, in good conscience, do so--for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the never-ending incompatibility/upgrade issue, and its associated costs--which are not insignificant. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] query ...
... this is an example of the inanity; rather than responding, as 1 thoughtful soul did do, this person decides to ridicule me. Why shouldn't I have the right to know?; actually, why shouldn't the list have the right to know? BTW - IF this narcissistic attitude on the part of some on this list does not end, then the marketing of LO is fighting a losing battle; HOW can any user of this product learn, if we're attacked for asking questions? Sure some questions might seem overly simple to those who know, but to one who does not know, the answer, explained in a simplified manner, might be just what's needed in order to continue using these machines. And, remember, that you 'experts' on these machines were not always that way - you too had to ask questions and receive simplified answers. From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Date: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:26 AM Subject: PRIVATE : Re: [libreoffice-users] Too much Politics? To: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Hello Anne, This is a private mail. Are you asking this question because you do not know the answer to it or because you would like to ensure everybody has the right information? Thank you, Charles. On 8 août 2014 17:20:06 CEST, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: and the URLs to subscribe to these would be ? From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Date: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Too much Politics? To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 2014-08-08 15:16, Sophie wrote: Hi, Le 07/08/2014 19:39, Jon Harringdon a écrit : The LO users mailing list is the only one I've ever encountered where people are MUCH more interested in debating Office politics and Administrivia than actual product features, bugs, workarounds etc. For the average user, the spectacle offered by this list can be pretty off-putting. Just saying... br / I agree with you, several of the discussions happening here should happen on the discuss@ list and I understand that it could be really annoying for some users who only come here to ask or answer questions about the use of LibreOffice. It's the only users@ list in the project that I know doing so. So all could you please stay on the topic of the list and post discussions on the relevant discuss@ list. Thanks :) Kind regards Sophie Good to know that there is also a discussion list. Thanks Sophie. For real technical questions and answers there is also AskLibO forum. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Too much Politics?
Thank you. From: Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Too much Politics? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Hi, Le 08/08/2014 17:20, anne-ology a écrit : and the URLs to subscribe to these would be ? as usual here: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists the discuss@ one is the one for discussions. Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] query ...
Hello Anne, Waow. Thank you for making my private mail and question public, especially when I had mentioned the mail to be private. The reason I asked -and I asked this in private- was precisely not to sound arrogant, trying to belittle you or anything of that sort. From what I understand, you did not know the answer to the question you asked. It is perfectly normal not to know, and perfectly normal to ask. However, given the actual nature of your question, and the fact that you have been around the project for quite some time (and a moderator of the user list?) I would have expected you to know the answer and then I thought that you were trying to have Sophie point at the right URL. I was not sure. So I asked in private, knowing asking such a question in public would not be taken the right way. I apologize for having dared to ask a question in private and if that question was taken the wrong way. It really wasn't meant to be. Charles. Le Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:51:02 -0500, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com a écrit : ... this is an example of the inanity; rather than responding, as 1 thoughtful soul did do, this person decides to ridicule me. Why shouldn't I have the right to know?; actually, why shouldn't the list have the right to know? BTW - IF this narcissistic attitude on the part of some on this list does not end, then the marketing of LO is fighting a losing battle; HOW can any user of this product learn, if we're attacked for asking questions? Sure some questions might seem overly simple to those who know, but to one who does not know, the answer, explained in a simplified manner, might be just what's needed in order to continue using these machines. And, remember, that you 'experts' on these machines were not always that way - you too had to ask questions and receive simplified answers. From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Date: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:26 AM Subject: PRIVATE : Re: [libreoffice-users] Too much Politics? To: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Hello Anne, This is a private mail. Are you asking this question because you do not know the answer to it or because you would like to ensure everybody has the right information? Thank you, Charles. On 8 août 2014 17:20:06 CEST, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: and the URLs to subscribe to these would be ? From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Date: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Too much Politics? To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 2014-08-08 15:16, Sophie wrote: Hi, Le 07/08/2014 19:39, Jon Harringdon a écrit : The LO users mailing list is the only one I've ever encountered where people are MUCH more interested in debating Office politics and Administrivia than actual product features, bugs, workarounds etc. For the average user, the spectacle offered by this list can be pretty off-putting. Just saying... br / I agree with you, several of the discussions happening here should happen on the discuss@ list and I understand that it could be really annoying for some users who only come here to ask or answer questions about the use of LibreOffice. It's the only users@ list in the project that I know doing so. So all could you please stay on the topic of the list and post discussions on the relevant discuss@ list. Thanks :) Kind regards Sophie Good to know that there is also a discussion list. Thanks Sophie. For real technical questions and answers there is also AskLibO forum. -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] query ...
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:51:02 -0500 anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: ... this is an example of the inanity; rather than responding, as 1 thoughtful soul did do, this person decides to ridicule me. [snip] Do you mean Charles' Are you asking this question because.. question? Maybe it's a language barrier thing, but that wasn't ridicule. That was just a question. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM: At the risk of adding to the political noise... As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint. (MS-Win8 was the last straw, even for her.) What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:01:27 -0400 Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote: Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM: At the risk of adding to the political noise... As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint. (MS-Win8 was the last straw, even for her.) What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer? Have little-to-no need for PPT at home. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
I use impress. regards, Tomáš Matýs 2014-08-09 18:22 GMT+02:00 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com: On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:01:27 -0400 Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote: Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM: At the risk of adding to the political noise... As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint. (MS-Win8 was the last straw, even for her.) What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer? Have little-to-no need for PPT at home. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php . -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
Is there a way to get Impress to start in slide-show mode when I click on a PPT icon? Thanks. Tomáš Matýs wrote on 8/9/2014 12:57 PM: I use impress. regards, Tomáš Matýs 2014-08-09 18:22 GMT+02:00 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com: On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:01:27 -0400 Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote: Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM: At the risk of adding to the political noise... As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint. (MS-Win8 was the last straw, even for her.) What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer? Have little-to-no need for PPT at home. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
Hi :) I think it is .Pps that plays as a slide-show straight-away. I think .Ppt normally opens in editable/design view. I'm not sure if it's possible to just rename the file-ending between the 2 or whether you have to use Save As I've got a feeling it's one of the rare ones where you can just rename the file-ending. Wrt 2013 being incompatible with 2013, MS themselves have a disclaimer (during install) that if the same program is installed on Win7 and Win8 (or any other 2 versions of Windows) then some of the documents produced in each might not work in the other. 2010 had this warning and i'm guessing 2013 says much the same. I'm fairly sure the default format in MS Office 2013 is not strict but is just another transitional format. Afaik none of the transitional formats are registered ISO formats. I don't think it's particularly easy to get 2013 to use strict by default but it is possible to set ODF as the default! There is not often a bad reaction from files produced by a different version of MS Office. Each different version from 2007 has a compatibility mode which seems to recognise and correctly display most files from the other versions. However some re-flowing of text is inevitable any time an editable format is used. It's just that it can happen and does happen annoyingly often, just not every time. Of course anything produced in a newer version of any program might well have problems being properly handled in an older version of the same program. So a file produced in 2010 might have features that 2007 can't handle. The shocker with MS Office is that files produced in older versions of MS Office have problems in newer versions. This while MS claims to aim for backwards compatibility and that DocX will be readable far into the future. We aren't even much into the future yet and already MS Office is having problems with it's own files!! The Doc, Xls, Ppt files all used to have this problem too but now that MS have stopped developing it so much and moved to developing their newer formats it's finally these older formats that ARE good for sharing between different programs. However we don't know how long that will continue to be the case, or how long MS Office will continue to allow their older formats to be used in their newer versions of MS Office. ODF seems better (ie safer and more likely to be able to be opened) in the future. So for longer-term storage i tend to use ODF but for collaborative working i often use the older MS formats. Italo's techno-babble was brilliant and i thought fairly easy to understand. It's good to have it laid out so clearly! Regards from Tom :) On 9 August 2014 18:01, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a way to get Impress to start in slide-show mode when I click on a PPT icon? Thanks. Tomáš Matýs wrote on 8/9/2014 12:57 PM: I use impress. regards, Tomáš Matýs 2014-08-09 18:22 GMT+02:00 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com: On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:01:27 -0400 Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote: Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM: At the risk of adding to the political noise... As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint. (MS-Win8 was the last straw, even for her.) What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer? Have little-to-no need for PPT at home. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
Tom Davies wrote on 8/9/2014 2:25 PM: Hi :) I think it is .Pps that plays as a slide-show straight-away. I think .Ppt normally opens in editable/design view. I'm not sure if it's possible to just rename the file-ending between the 2 or whether you have to use Save As I've got a feeling it's one of the rare ones where you can just rename the file-ending. I copied the ppt file to a pps of the same name and when I clicked on it, Impress started in slideshow mode!! Thanks for the tip. Italo's techno-babble was brilliant and i thought fairly easy to understand. It's good to have it laid out so clearly! I don't think you mean techno-babble, Tom. Technobabble refers to the use of terms from mathematics, science, or engineering incorrectly, in order to create a false sense of technical solidity around a field or concept. :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
Completely as an aside... On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 17:49:03 -0400 Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies wrote on 8/9/2014 2:25 PM: Italo's techno-babble was brilliant and i thought fairly easy to understand. It's good to have it laid out so clearly! I don't think you mean techno-babble, Tom. Technobabble refers to the use of terms from mathematics, science, or engineering incorrectly, in order to create a false sense of technical solidity around a field or concept. Technobabble does *not* have to be terms used incorrectly. Technobabble is any use of technical terms that, because they are not really understood, are just babble to the listener. :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Access value separated by a comma
Im working on a sheet that has numbers for a sports club. At the moment we use two columns and at the end of the columns of data, we calculate values in one column leaving another empty. What I would like to do is move to a single column design. A3:A15= Date B,D,F,H,J,K,etc,1=team name B3:B14 = Point values C3:C14 = Goal values B17:B22 = calculated values for B1 team. Example data: B3=3 B4=0 B5=1 B6=3 B7=0 C3=7 C4=10 C5=2 C6=1 C7=4 What I would like to do is: B3=3,7 B4=0,10 B5=1,2 How would I access the first or second value a pair value? -- Registered Linux User: #480675 Registered Linux Machine: #408606 Linux since June 2005 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
Not exclusively, but you are indeed correct, sir. A quick squizz at Wikipedia shows that it's use to obfuscate or deceive is considered the more common one, though my experience makes no such distinction. On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 21:37:54 -0400 chainsawchihuahua chainsawchihua...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, just to chime in here on this bike shed moment, I am under the strong impression that technobabble does indeed refer exclusively to the incorrect usage of actual terms in order to give an appearance of technical proficiency. The difference between technobabble and what you're describing is that in the case of technobabble, there is no one who can validate the usage of the terms, if they're even real. In the case that you're describing, someone can validate what the person is saying, it's just that you in particular don't understand it; the person isn't making anything up. And just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is objectively any kind of babble. :) Thanks, Mike On 08/09/2014 05:58 PM, Paul wrote: Completely as an aside... On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 17:49:03 -0400 Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies wrote on 8/9/2014 2:25 PM: Italo's techno-babble was brilliant and i thought fairly easy to understand. It's good to have it laid out so clearly! I don't think you mean techno-babble, Tom. Technobabble refers to the use of terms from mathematics, science, or engineering incorrectly, in order to create a false sense of technical solidity around a field or concept. Technobabble does *not* have to be terms used incorrectly. Technobabble is any use of technical terms that, because they are not really understood, are just babble to the listener. :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Access value separated by a comma
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alan B abo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Wade Smart wadesm...@gmail.com wrote: Im working on a sheet that has numbers for a sports club. At the moment we use two columns and at the end of the columns of data, we calculate values in one column leaving another empty. What I would like to do is move to a single column design. What I would like to do is: B3=3,7 B4=0,10 B5=1,2 How would I access the first or second value a pair value? Wade, I believe you will be stuck with messy formulas if you move to a single cell. Once you put 3,7 into a cell it is now treated as text, not a number. So to use in a number formula it must be converted to a number. Since you will use a comma to separate your numbers you have a reliable separator to pick out the first or second number. A formula to get the fist number from B3 would be =VALUE( MID(B3,1,SEARCH(,,B3)-1)) The above formula will give you the number 3 which you can then use in your other calculations. A formula for the second number would be =VALUE(RIGHT(B3,LEN(B12)-FIND(,,B3))) It will you the number 7 which again can be used in your other formulas. Others may suggest better formulas. I think most will recommend a different spreadsheet design. I was afraid of that. Ok.. it was just something I was working on. I can stick with two columns until I find a better way. Thanks :D -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Access value separated by a comma
At 20:29 09/08/2014 -0500, Wade Smart wrote: I'm working on a sheet that has numbers for a sports club. At the moment we use two columns ... What I would like to do is move to a single column design. Example data: B3=3 C3=7 What I would like to do is: B3=3,7 How would I access the first or second value a pair value? You have already seen how complicated things get if you try to extract two numbers - here 3 and 7 - from the three-character text string 3,7. There may be other ways of looking at this. I wonder why you wish to make the change; I can think of two reasons. Do you want to be able to read or perhaps print the spreadsheet with the condensed version of the data? It's much simpler to go the other way: you can concatenate two values from separate columns using =B3,C3 You could create an additional table with the condensed values which you would then use for reading or printing, perhaps defining a print range. You would copy values from your original table to the new one using the = operator, not using Copy and Paste, so that the values in your printing table followed changes to your original table and were not a fossilised copy. Alternatively, perhaps you are pasting in values that already appear in the comma-separated form or that you simply prefer to type them this way. In that case, you could make use of Data | Text to Columns..., ticking Comma under Separated by. This would split your text string 3,7 into two values in the current and following columns, also helpfully converting the text into numbers as it does. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: (not) base question
On 08/08/14 11:29, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 08/08/2014 16:10, lunixbox a écrit : Sorry i was not clear, its more how to set up the search query /form as i doubt you can go on for 400 points to search. Org question : What i want using cars as example is to make a search for color,year,doors,model.kilometers driven,cabrio,engine,fuel and so many more options.: The many options make me wonder what is a smart way. The data is no where, i just wonder how you solve this where the number of options/selection is maybe 300+ The basic question is whether or not your data is one table, or multiple tables. Seems to me that you could probably break it down into smaller chunks, where the chunks represent options you can lump together. Of course, if your query needs to find any make of car, of any colour, of any bhp, etc, ad nauseam, then you are going to be in for a fun time designing your form. Ideally, you would normalise your data sets before embarking on such an adventure. Alex The form you will need to list all these parameters will be massive in itself. How are you going to fit them all on one form? Here's my suggestion. For each parameter use a list box on the form that is populated with the various instances of data in your tables sql= select distinct color from tbl_Cars where COLOR is not null Then you can avoid selection of colors that don't exist in your data set. Do that for each parameter of your search. What you have all the required parameters selected then use BASIC to build your query where clause. strWhere = If listbox_Color is not null then if strWhere = then strWhere = WHERE COLOR = contents of listbox_Color else strWhere = AND COLOR = contents of listbox_Color end if end if Just keep appending each populated parameter onto the end of strWhere. When you finish building your WHERE clause you paste it onto the end of your SQL query strSQL = Select * from tbl_Cars strWhere ; if you have multiple tables your will have to use joins and specify the table names as well as the field names in your WHERE clause. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
