[libreoffice-users] NA-DVD ISO files online and updated

2014-09-13 Thread Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster


For those of you who have asked for them, I have just uploaded the 
LibreOffice North American Community DVD ISO files to my SourceForge.net 
project account.  [my web hosting service will not allow the hosting of 
ISO files the size of CDs or DVDs]


There are two folders, currently.
One is for the 4.2.x line and the other is for the 4.3.x line.
I just uploaded the 4.2.6 and 4.3.1 ISO files last night.

This is the direct link to the project's files. 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/libreofficenadvd/files/


I still need to upload the files to my web site versions of the DVDs, 
for testing before downloading, but the ISO files are more important 
at this moment.


I feel sorry for not having these ISO files up sooner, but my ongoing 
hardware and health issues have delayed a lot of things.  I hope to get 
the next versions online without the delay that these two had.


Tim Lungstrom
http://libreoffice-na.us

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Re: [libreoffice-users] NA-DVD ISO files online and updated

2014-09-13 Thread Sophie
Hi,
Le 13/09/2014 13:30, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :
 
 For those of you who have asked for them, I have just uploaded the
 LibreOffice North American Community DVD ISO files to my SourceForge.net
 project account.  [my web hosting service will not allow the hosting of
 ISO files the size of CDs or DVDs]
 
 There are two folders, currently.
 One is for the 4.2.x line and the other is for the 4.3.x line.
 I just uploaded the 4.2.6 and 4.3.1 ISO files last night.
 
 This is the direct link to the project's files.
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/libreofficenadvd/files/
 
 I still need to upload the files to my web site versions of the DVDs,
 for testing before downloading, but the ISO files are more important
 at this moment.
 
 I feel sorry for not having these ISO files up sooner, but my ongoing
 hardware and health issues have delayed a lot of things.  I hope to get
 the next versions online without the delay that these two had.

Thanks a lot Tim and take good care of you.
Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-users] NA-DVD ISO files online and updated

2014-09-13 Thread Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster

On 09/13/2014 08:19 AM, Sophie wrote:

Hi,
Le 13/09/2014 13:30, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

For those of you who have asked for them, I have just uploaded the
LibreOffice North American Community DVD ISO files to my SourceForge.net
project account.  [my web hosting service will not allow the hosting of
ISO files the size of CDs or DVDs]

There are two folders, currently.
One is for the 4.2.x line and the other is for the 4.3.x line.
I just uploaded the 4.2.6 and 4.3.1 ISO files last night.

This is the direct link to the project's files.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/libreofficenadvd/files/

I still need to upload the files to my web site versions of the DVDs,
for testing before downloading, but the ISO files are more important
at this moment.

I feel sorry for not having these ISO files up sooner, but my ongoing
hardware and health issues have delayed a lot of things.  I hope to get
the next versions online without the delay that these two had.

Thanks a lot Tim and take good care of you.
Kind regards
Sophie



Thanks Sophie



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer auto indenting?

2014-09-13 Thread Jim Seymour
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:52:59 +0100
Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:

 At 15:53 07/09/2014 -0700, Jerry Noname wrote:
 Is there a way to get Writer to preserve the tab indenting from
 the previous line on which I was typing?
 
 I hope not. If you indent the first line of a paragraph using a tab 
 character and you want this behaviour repeated, you would have tab 
 characters at the beginning of every line. So far so (apparently) 
 good.

What he wants is known in the Unix text editor as auto-indent.  It
is *exceedingly* convenient.  With AI on: Once you indent:
All subsequent lines are automatically equally indented.  You undent
by either (repeatedly) keying the undent key or returning to command
mode (vi is a modal editor) on a fresh line.

It may sound confusing to the uninitiated, but, to somebody
experienced with the editor, it is very fast.  As with nearly
everything in vi: Ones fingers need never leave the keyboard. (Even
with GUI re-implementations of the editor.)  Some of us, and some
time-and-motion experts, think the mouse was the worst thing ever
invented ;)

 But then what happens when you edit the text and material
 flows naturally between lines? The tabs flow into positions other
 than at the beginning of the lines and you get a mess!
[snip]

The vi editor, being a text editor primarily designed for writing
code, doesn't re-flow.  (Tho it does have crude word wrap.)  But
the simple editor in my email client does.  It (usually) re-flows the
text, maintaining the indent w/in the paragraph.

TBH: LOW not being a programming editor, I don't know as auto-indent
would be all that handy, even if there was a dedicated toolbar button
or hotkey to enable/disable it, but there have been times *I* wished
it had it, and certainly the behaviour is doable.  Then again: I
grew up with vi, so its behaviour is second nature to me :).

Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer auto indenting?

2014-09-13 Thread Brian Barker

At 08:46 13/09/2014 -0400, Jim Seymour wrote:

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:52:59 +0100 Brian Barker wrote:

At 15:53 07/09/2014 -0700, Jerry Noname wrote:
Is there a way to get Writer to preserve the tab indenting from 
the previous line on which I was typing?


I hope not. If you indent the first line of a paragraph using a tab 
character and you want this behaviour repeated, you would have tab 
characters at the beginning of every line. So far so (apparently) good.


What he wants is known in the Unix text editor as auto-indent. It 
is *exceedingly* convenient. With AI on: Once you indent: All 
subsequent lines are automatically equally indented. You undent by 
either (repeatedly) keying the undent key or returning to command 
mode (vi is a modal editor) on a fresh line.


Of course! He needed auto-indenting, not the tab indenting he asked 
for. And I explained how that works in my original reply.


It may sound confusing to the uninitiated, but, to somebody 
experienced with the editor, it is very fast. As with nearly 
everything in vi: Ones fingers need never leave the keyboard. (Even 
with GUI re-implementations of the editor.) Some of us, and some 
time-and-motion experts, think the mouse was the worst thing ever invented ;)



[snip]


Aha! You've (quite reasonably) snipped my answer to the original 
query. But did you not get that far?


I don't know as auto-indent would be all that handy, even if there 
was a dedicated toolbar button or hotkey to enable/disable it, ...


Er, there is.

... but there have been times *I* wished it had it, and certainly 
the behaviour is doable.


Not only doable - but done!

Instead of pressing the tab key, click the Increase Indent button in 
the Formatting toolbar. When you stop wanting the indent, click the 
Decrease Indent button. You can even create an outdent. This is even 
better than using the tab key, since you can use these buttons before 
you type the material, during typing, or even after you have 
completed typing. The tab technique presumably requires you to type 
the tab key before you start typing the paragraph.


Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer auto indenting?

2014-09-13 Thread Jim Seymour
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:23:40 +0100
Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:

 At 08:46 13/09/2014 -0400, Jim Seymour wrote:
 On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:52:59 +0100 Brian Barker wrote:
 At 15:53 07/09/2014 -0700, Jerry Noname wrote:
 Is there a way to get Writer to preserve the tab indenting from 
 the previous line on which I was typing?
 
 I hope not.
[snip]
 
 What he wants is known in the Unix text editor as auto-indent.
[snip]
 
 Of course! He needed auto-indenting, not the tab indenting he asked 
 for. And I explained how that works in my original reply.
[snip]

Never mind.  I got as far as I hope not and the reasons why, and
responded to that.

Disregard.

Jim
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Table presented totally wrong.

2014-09-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
For sharing and editing the Doc format is best.  Errr, for spreadsheets
xls, for presentations ppt.

Everyone seems to be able to use them perfectly fine.  It's an editable
format so the text re-flows depending on the settings of whichever machine
it happens to be on.  However it rarely suffers from incompatibility
issues.  So it's probably the best format to use these days.

If you want people to see exactly what the document was meant to look like,
ie to show it before the text reflows, it can be a good idea to also give
people a Pdf too.  Pdfs are not usually editable so it's a good idea to
normally share documents in both formats at the same time.  Even Pdfs don't
always disaply exactly the same on all systems because they often depend on
the system having the right fonts.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 12 September 2014 21:30, Stef Bon stef...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Thanks a lot for your reactions and support.

 I will add two things to my actions list, although I do not promise
 anything. I need my time.

 a. try to contact student organisations/university to ask them to
 provide more options.

 Brian Barker suugested I do convert it first at the university to a
 format I use (ODF). That's not an option.
 Here we use the tool with the very dutch name (being sarcastic)
 BlackBoard. That tool provides the papers
 from the browser. So I access these documents from my home computers.

 b.

 If you can prove that MS Office does not provide follow the OOXML
 standard, you have a case againt MS.
 It's that simple. Get some good cases to prove that! It has been done
 before. I know that the SAMBA project leader has been
 asked by the EU about not sharing information, and after that MS got a
 hughe fine (good work from Mevr. Kroes!).
 An option?

 Stef

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer auto indenting?

2014-09-13 Thread lo-user

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 13:29:57 -0400
From: Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer auto indenting?
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org


On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:23:40 +0100
Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:


At 08:46 13/09/2014 -0400, Jim Seymour wrote:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:52:59 +0100 Brian Barker wrote:
At 15:53 07/09/2014 -0700, Jerry Noname wrote:
Is there a way to get Writer to preserve the tab indenting from
the previous line on which I was typing?

I hope not.

[snip]


What he wants is known in the Unix text editor as auto-indent.

[snip]


Of course! He needed auto-indenting, not the tab indenting he

asked

for. And I explained how that works in my original reply.

[snip]

Never mind.  I got as far as I hope not and the reasons why, and
responded to that.

Disregard.



Jim, no! Thank you for correctly explaining what I originally meant,  
but was to tongue tied to get it out. I too am used to using  
vi/(G)vim/geany and love the auto-indent feature. It saves a lot of  
tab typing.



Brian - thank you for pointing out the Increase/Decrease Indent  
functions. They do in fact do what I was looking for.







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[libreoffice-users] Events to join - with Dutch Language community present

2014-09-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi all,

Some upcoming events where the Dutch Language community will represent
TDF / LibreOffice / DocumentLiberation project.

NLLGG (Dutch Linux User Group)
September 20: Software Freedom Day at Utrecht
  http://nllgg.nl/bijeenkomst/20140920 (schedule on that page needs
update ;) )

October 25/26: T-DOSE at Eindhoven
  http://www.t-dose.org/

Pls forward this news to your friends/colleagues in Flanders/Netherlands.
Or come for a visit yourself if you have the opportunity :)

Thanks!
Cor



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[libreoffice-users] LO 4.3.1 print icon

2014-09-13 Thread MR ZenWiz
I noticed that in LO Writer 4.3.1, the print icon no longer
automatically prints a document but brings up the print window.

This is different from all the previous versions of LO I've used.

Is anyone else seeing this, in Writer or any of the LO apps?

Thanks.
MR

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Table presented totally wrong.

2014-09-13 Thread Owen Genat
Mark Bourne wrote
 The .docx format changes slightly with each version of MS Office.

So do the Microsoft Binary (DOC et al.) formats. Major revisions for DOC
were on 2009-07-13, 2010-06-07, 2012-01-20, and 2014-07-31.


Mark Bourne wrote
 For compatibility between MS Office and LibreOffice, the older .doc format
 is more reliable. 

Probably only because of the mechanics of this format (it is effectively a
memory dump to file). There have been many recent improvements to LO with
respect to supporting OOXML. The level of support may not be equal to that
for the MS Binary formats (yet) but it hopefully will be in the
not-too-distant future. TDF has partner organisations working on these
improvements. List of links to recent (2013-2014) blog posts about
improvements here:

http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/7505#comment-34131


Mark Bourne wrote
 From my understanding, Office Open XML (OOXML - the format used in docx,
 xlsx, and related files) is a
 supposedly open standard. i.e. anyone can get the details of how to read
 and write files in that format. But that standard allows some data to be
 included in an application-specific format, which MS does to make it
 easier for themselves to port MS Office to using it. Unfortunately that
 means it's not so easy for anyone else to figure out how to read and write
 those parts of the file. 

These compatibility blobs only exist in OOXML Transitional; OOXML Strict
essentially eliminates them.

Best wishes, Owen.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Table presented totally wrong.

2014-09-13 Thread Owen Genat
Luuk wrote
 They talk about 'Office 2007', not about the versions after that one

The article was written late 2010. MS Office 2010 is mentioned (four times).


Luuk wrote
 The last 2 years of revisions (2nd link) are all No changes to the 
 meaning effectively making the specs old, and making it hard to 
 make a piece of software capable of reading/writing office 2013 documents.

[MS-OE376] is a document referencing the standard (EMCA-376 4th Ed. /
ISO/IEC 29500:2012 3rd Ed.). It is mainly notes with some examples designed
to accompany the specification. Naturally it is not going to change that
much as the specification is what contains the technical detail.

Unfortunately, none of this is going to assist with the original (or
follow-up) query.

Best wishes, Owen.



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