[libreoffice-users]

[nasrin khaksar]

hi every one.
two days ago i send a message for the group.
in the message, first i introduce myself and after that, i sent a file
for you that its a gift for you and appreciation for your sincere
efferts.
how can i know that did you recive it?
thanks so much for your answer and guide.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.0.2.2 ignores altered path for temporary files ?

[Joel Madero]

Sounds like a bug. Should probably report it at www.bugs.libreoffice.org.


Best,
Joel

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:12 AM, Aurelius Octavian 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> If in the menu "Extra / Options / Paths" I set the value of "Temporary
> Files" to an own directory, this seems to be ignored by this LO version.
>
> Here on a Debian based Linux all temporary LO files go to the "/tmp"
> directory, no matter what I set in the mentioned LO options.
>
> In former LO versions it worked, however. I'm not sure when exactly this
> problem started to appear, but I'm think to recall that it worked in LO
> 5.0.x
>
> Is this a bug or a feature? :-)
>
> Greetings,
> Aurelius
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Liberation fonts vs Google croscore fonst

[Joel Madero]

Most developers don't read this list as it's designed to be about users
supporting one another. I suggest emailing the ux list as that's where user
experience is discussed by contributors (developers and non-developers).

Best,
Joel

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Gabriele Ponzo  wrote:

> Thank you.
>
> I guess the suggestion should have arrived at destination (devs) as (some
> of) they also should read this list as well.
>
> ---
> Gabriele Ponzo
>
> 2015-10-06 11:58 GMT+02:00 Bastián Díaz :
>
> > El 06-10-2015 05:50, Gabriele Ponzo escribió:
> >
> >> I'm not informed on that specifically, but usually forks are made for
> >> license issues, so that may be the "problem".
> >>
> >>
> > Liberation fonts 2.0 (SIL open font license1.1) is a fork of google
> > croscore fonts, due to the initial license of "liberation fonts" (GPL
> v2):
> > https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts/
> >
> > Try comparing Google and Liberation Fonts licenses if you wish, and if
> >> you'll do please report to us as well.
> >>
> >> I'd appreciate, at least  ;)
> >>
> >>
> > Google croscore fonts they are licensed under ASL 2.0 (LibreOffice
> > supports). Currently the google crosextra fonts are included with
> > LibreOffice.
> >
> > From my point of view, it is not a licensing issue, however, the superior
> > quality of the google fonts think they should be included as standard in
> > LibreOffice for the benefit of their users.
> >
> > .cheers
> > --
> > Bastián Díaz
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Outline Numbering

[Virgil Arrington]

I'm beginning to think there is a definite bug here.

I just renamed my user profile, and opened a brand new document using 
the default template. I then experimented with the following steps.


Step 1: I setup three outline styles. I then typed the name of the 
styles and applied the appropriate outline level to each line:


1 Heading 1
1.1 Heading 2
1.1.1 Heading 3

So far so good.

Step 2: I then demoted the second line to outline level three and 
promoted the third line to outline level two (without changing text on 
each line) and got the following:


1 Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 2  [actually Heading 3 paragraph style]
1.2 Heading 3 [actually Heading 2 paragraph style]

Step 3: Then, out of curiosity, I applied the "Default Style" to the 
second line and got the following:


1 Heading 1
Heading 2[actually "Default Style"]
1.1 Heading 3

Step 4: I then reapplied Heading 3 to the second line and got the following:

1 Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 2  [actually Heading 3 paragraph style]
1.1 Heading 3 [actually Heading 2 paragraph style]

Notice that the third line did *not* change to 1.2 as it did in the 
second step. It remained 1.1


Step 5: I then hit Ctrl-z (undo) several times to get back to Step 3, 
and when I got there, I got the following:


1 Heading 1
Heading 2[actually "Default Style"]
1.2 Heading 3

Notice that the third line is now 1.2 instead of 1.1 as it was in Step 
3. (I noticed I could get the same result if, after Step 4, I promoted 
the second line to outline level 2 and then immediately demoted it again 
to outline level 3.


LO definitely doesn't like it when one applies outline levels out of 
order, but that is not uncommon in writing. I often use outlines like 
the following:


1. Heading 1

A. Normal text (outline level 6)

i. Normal text (outline level 7)

1.x Heading 2

A. Normal text (outline level 6)

i. Normal text (outline level 7)

In short, I think LO is confused on outline numbering. Or else, I'm 
confused in how to set them up and use them.


The only way I know to setup an outline hierarchy is through "Tools" 
"Outline Numbering" which only allows one outline hierarchy at a time. 
So I have to set up both my Headings and Normal text outline levels in 
one place. But, this requires that I use them out of order as I mix 
headings and normal text together.


Virgil


On 10/05/2015 08:59 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
I think I was too easily persuaded on this matter. As I think about it 
further, I think LO is treating the outline numbering wrongly. I've 
compared LO with LaTeX and LaTeX treats the heading numbering 
differently.


Let's keep it simple for my illustration. In LO, let's say I have 
three heading styles (Heading 1, Heading 2, and Heading 3). If I put 
them in order, I get (properly):


1. Heading 1
1.1 Heading 2
1.1.1 Heading 3

This corresponds to LaTeX's Section, Subsection, and Subsubsection 
environments, which appear as follows (again properly):


1. Section
1.1 Subsection
1.1.1 Subsubsection

But, if I switch the second and third headings, LO and LaTeX provide 
different results. In LO, I get


1. Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 3
1.2 Heading 2

but, with LaTeX, I get,

1. Section
1.0.1 Subsubsection
1.1 Subsection

I think LaTeX's treatment is mathematically more correct. Until I 
actual use the second heading, it's value should remain "0", which is 
reflected in LaTeX's second example. But, LO gives it a value of "1" 
even though I've not yet used it. Thus, in LO, my first use of the 
second Heading is given a value of "2" as in 1.2, whereas in LaTeX, my 
first use of the second heading is given a value of 1 as in 1.1.


I think LaTeX has it right.

I tried changing the starting value of Heading 2 to "0", but that 
messes things up when I use the levels in order, so that's not the 
solution.


Funny thing is that I've just noticed this behavior. I don't recall 
seeing this happen in earlier versions of LO. I'm currently using 
4.4.5.2.


In fact, I just loaded two LO documents, one an old one where the 
numbering acts like LaTeX, and a newer one, where the numbering acts 
like the current LO. My outline numbering settings are the same and my 
styles are similar (with different names). For the life of me I can 
find no setting between the two documents that is different that could 
explain the different style of outline numbering. I'll keep looking, 
but for now, it's just weird.


I've noticed other strange behavior with LO's outline numbering. 
Sometimes, the "Position" settings are in terms of the "width of the 
numbering." At other times, it is in terms of what is placed after the 
number, a space, tab, or nothing.


curiouser and curiouser.

Virgil

On 09/27/2015 03:55 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:



On 09/27/2015 06:42 AM, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
I think skipping outline numbering levels, in this case from level 1 
(Heading 1) to level 6 (Outline 1) implicitly inserts the 
intermediate levels 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Liberation fonts vs Google croscore fonst

[Bastián Díaz]

El 06-10-2015 18:21, Joel Madero escribió:

Most developers don't read this list as it's designed to be about
users supporting one another. I suggest emailing the ux list as that's
where user experience is discussed by contributors (developers and
non-developers).

Best,
Joel


Joel, thank you very much.

I sent this issue to this list, because most projects do not recommend 
submitting questions/discussions on developer mailing lists, if I am not 
a developer.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Outline Numbering

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

Virgil Arrington wrote:

I'm beginning to think there is a definite bug here.

I just renamed my user profile, and opened a brand new document using
the default template. I then experimented with the following steps.

Step 1: I setup three outline styles. I then typed the name of the
styles and applied the appropriate outline level to each line:

1 Heading 1
1.1 Heading 2
1.1.1 Heading 3

So far so good.

Step 2: I then demoted the second line to outline level three and
promoted the third line to outline level two (without changing text on
each line) and got the following:

1 Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 2  [actually Heading 3 paragraph style]
1.2 Heading 3 [actually Heading 2 paragraph style]

Step 3: Then, out of curiosity, I applied the "Default Style" to the
second line and got the following:

1 Heading 1
Heading 2[actually "Default Style"]
1.1 Heading 3

Step 4: I then reapplied Heading 3 to the second line and got the
following:

1 Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 2  [actually Heading 3 paragraph style]
1.1 Heading 3 [actually Heading 2 paragraph style]

Notice that the third line did *not* change to 1.2 as it did in the
second step. It remained 1.1


That does seem inconsistent with Step 2. Worth checking if it happens 
with the latest version and then filing a bug report I think, if it's 
not already reported.



Step 5: I then hit Ctrl-z (undo) several times to get back to Step 3,
and when I got there, I got the following:

1 Heading 1
Heading 2[actually "Default Style"]
1.2 Heading 3

Notice that the third line is now 1.2 instead of 1.1 as it was in Step
3. (I noticed I could get the same result if, after Step 4, I promoted
the second line to outline level 2 and then immediately demoted it again
to outline level 3.


I've noticed undo seems to be a bit flaky lately, in that it doesn't 
always return everything to how it was. It's as if performing some 
action triggers other things to happen, and undo reverses the action but 
not the side-effects. Things like that should probably be reported as bugs.



LO definitely doesn't like it when one applies outline levels out of
order, but that is not uncommon in writing. I often use outlines like
the following:

1. Heading 1

 A. Normal text (outline level 6)

 i. Normal text (outline level 7)

1.x Heading 2

 A. Normal text (outline level 6)

 i. Normal text (outline level 7)

In short, I think LO is confused on outline numbering. Or else, I'm
confused in how to set them up and use them.


I'm not much of an expert, but I suspect that's not how outline 
numbering is intended to be used. I think it's more like for chapters in 
a text book, where you wouldn't have a Chapter 3 followed by Chapter 
3.x.1 without having a Chapter 3.1 in between. The outline numbering can 
then be used to create the table of contents (which wouldn't usually 
include your "Normal text" paragraphs).



The only way I know to setup an outline hierarchy is through "Tools"
"Outline Numbering" which only allows one outline hierarchy at a time.
So I have to set up both my Headings and Normal text outline levels in
one place. But, this requires that I use them out of order as I mix
headings and normal text together.


I think list styles should do what you want for the "normal text" 
sections. Use the Heading X styles and outline numbering for your 
headings, and create a list style for applying the A, i numbering to 
your normal text. On the list style settings, look into the Outline tab, 
which has preset styles for multi-level lists, pick one which is close 
to what you want and then tweak it on the Options tab.




Virgil


On 10/05/2015 08:59 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

I think I was too easily persuaded on this matter. As I think about it
further, I think LO is treating the outline numbering wrongly. I've
compared LO with LaTeX and LaTeX treats the heading numbering
differently.

Let's keep it simple for my illustration. In LO, let's say I have
three heading styles (Heading 1, Heading 2, and Heading 3). If I put
them in order, I get (properly):

1. Heading 1
1.1 Heading 2
1.1.1 Heading 3

This corresponds to LaTeX's Section, Subsection, and Subsubsection
environments, which appear as follows (again properly):

1. Section
1.1 Subsection
1.1.1 Subsubsection

But, if I switch the second and third headings, LO and LaTeX provide
different results. In LO, I get

1. Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 3
1.2 Heading 2

but, with LaTeX, I get,

1. Section
1.0.1 Subsubsection
1.1 Subsection

I think LaTeX's treatment is mathematically more correct. Until I
actual use the second heading, it's value should remain "0", which is
reflected in LaTeX's second example. But, LO gives it a value of "1"
even though I've not yet used it. Thus, in LO, my first use of the
second Heading is given a value of "2" as in 1.2, whereas in LaTeX, my
first use of the second heading is given a value of 1 as in 1.1.

I think LaTeX has it right.

I tried changing the starting value of 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Outline Numbering

[Virgil Arrington]

On 10/06/2015 05:42 PM, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
I'm not much of an expert, but I suspect that's not how outline 
numbering is intended to be used. I think it's more like for chapters 
in a text book, where you wouldn't have a Chapter 3 followed by 
Chapter 3.x.1 without having a Chapter 3.1 in between. The outline 
numbering can then be used to create the table of contents (which 
wouldn't usually include your "Normal text" paragraphs).


I think list styles should do what you want for the "normal text" 
sections. Use the Heading X styles and outline numbering for your 
headings, and create a list style for applying the A, i numbering to 
your normal text. On the list style settings, look into the Outline 
tab, which has preset styles for multi-level lists, pick one which is 
close to what you want and then tweak it on the Options tab.






I tried list styles, which gave me bullets. I then tried numbering 
styles for my normal text, and then selected an appropriate outline list 
from the drop down box. But, then I got the following results:



 1 Heading 1

1. Text

a. Text

i. Text

A. Text


 2 Heading 1

2. Text

3. Text


   2.1 Heading 2

4. Text

5. Text

As you can see, my normal text doesn't start over in numbering after the 
headings. I think the reason for this is that it is not in the same 
outline hierarchy as the headings outline. When I checked online for bug 
reports on outline numbering, I found that many were complaining that 
the Numbering styles just keep going up in value even with intervening 
text between the lists. That's what I found here. I couldn't see any 
setting that would allow me to tell the numbering to start over after 
each heading, which is what one would want in an outline.


This is why I originally set up my outline in one 10 level list with 
both heading and normal levels in the same hierarchy. And, until 
recently, it seemed to work for me.


Thanks for the suggestion. I'll keep playing with it.

(and I, too, love Spam, at least the edible kind)

Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Liberation fonts vs Google croscore fonst

[Gabriele Ponzo]

I'm not informed on that specifically, but usually forks are made for
license issues, so that may be the "problem".

Try comparing Google and Liberation Fonts licenses if you wish, and if
you'll do please report to us as well.

I'd appreciate, at least  ;)

---
Gabriele Ponzo

2015-10-05 22:40 GMT+02:00 Bastián Díaz :

> Hi, this must be an old topic but I wonder why LibreOffice does not use
> the full set of google croscore fonts.
>
> Currently, LibreOffice includes Caladea and Carlito replacing Cambria and
> Calibri fonts. However, LibreOffice does not include the fonts Arimo, Tinos
> and Cousine (replacing Arial, Times New Roman and Courier), from my point
> of view and testing, google fonts do a better job than the liberation
> fonts: better visualization, metric gauge more compatible with microsoft
> fonts, increased support glyph, etc.
>
> From what I've read, since version 2.0 of Liberation Fons is a fork of
> google croscore fonts ... but in practice do not appear.
>
> Is there any reason to prefer Liberation fonts over google croscore fonts?
>
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[libreoffice-users] Digital signatures

[Евгений]

Hello.

Can someone help me with digital signatures?

I tried LO 5.0.2, 4.4.5.2 and even AOO 4.1.1 on windows server 2008 r2.

I have imported root CA certificate. I have copied private and public keys to 
registry from token.
My certificate is valid.

When i use "File - Digital signatures" and try to add one to document - nothing 
happens.
I can see my certificate details from LO dialog, but when i select it and press 
OK - none added to document.

Document - ODT file.

No errors or other messages appeared.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Liberation fonts vs Google croscore fonst

[Bastián Díaz]

El 06-10-2015 05:50, Gabriele Ponzo escribió:

I'm not informed on that specifically, but usually forks are made for
license issues, so that may be the "problem".



Liberation fonts 2.0 (SIL open font license1.1) is a fork of google 
croscore fonts, due to the initial license of "liberation fonts" (GPL 
v2): https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts/



Try comparing Google and Liberation Fonts licenses if you wish, and if
you'll do please report to us as well.

I'd appreciate, at least  ;)



Google croscore fonts they are licensed under ASL 2.0 (LibreOffice 
supports). Currently the google crosextra fonts are included with 
LibreOffice.


From my point of view, it is not a licensing issue, however, the 
superior quality of the google fonts think they should be included as 
standard in LibreOffice for the benefit of their users.


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[libreoffice-users] LO 5.0.2.2 ignores altered path for temporary files ?

[Aurelius Octavian]

Hello,

If in the menu "Extra / Options / Paths" I set the value of "Temporary Files" 
to an own directory, this seems to be ignored by this LO version.


Here on a Debian based Linux all temporary LO files go to the "/tmp" 
directory, no matter what I set in the mentioned LO options.


In former LO versions it worked, however. I'm not sure when exactly this 
problem started to appear, but I'm think to recall that it worked in LO 5.0.x


Is this a bug or a feature? :-)

Greetings,
Aurelius



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Outline Numbering

[Steve Edmonds]

On 2015-10-07 11:12, Virgil Arrington wrote:



On 10/06/2015 05:42 PM, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
I'm not much of an expert, but I suspect that's not how outline 
numbering is intended to be used. I think it's more like for chapters 
in a text book, where you wouldn't have a Chapter 3 followed by 
Chapter 3.x.1 without having a Chapter 3.1 in between. The outline 
numbering can then be used to create the table of contents (which 
wouldn't usually include your "Normal text" paragraphs).


I think list styles should do what you want for the "normal text" 
sections. Use the Heading X styles and outline numbering for your 
headings, and create a list style for applying the A, i numbering to 
your normal text. On the list style settings, look into the Outline 
tab, which has preset styles for multi-level lists, pick one which is 
close to what you want and then tweak it on the Options tab.






I tried list styles, which gave me bullets. I then tried numbering 
styles for my normal text, and then selected an appropriate outline 
list from the drop down box. But, then I got the following results:



 1 Heading 1

1. Text

a. Text

i. Text

A. Text


 2 Heading 1

2. Text

3. Text


   2.1 Heading 2

4. Text

5. Text

As you can see, my normal text doesn't start over in numbering after 
the headings. I think the reason for this is that it is not in the 
same outline hierarchy as the headings outline. When I checked online 
for bug reports on outline numbering, I found that many were 
complaining that the Numbering styles just keep going up in value even 
with intervening text between the lists. That's what I found here. I 
couldn't see any setting that would allow me to tell the numbering to 
start over after each heading, which is what one would want in an 
outline.


I found if you right click on the TXT numbering and restart numbering I 
could get numbered lists inside my outline numbering. I do this in my 
manuals where outline numbering is for chapters and the lists are for 
step by step procedures.

Steve
This is why I originally set up my outline in one 10 level list with 
both heading and normal levels in the same hierarchy. And, until 
recently, it seemed to work for me.


Thanks for the suggestion. I'll keep playing with it.

(and I, too, love Spam, at least the edible kind)

Virgil




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Outline Numbering

[Virgil Arrington]

On 10/06/2015 06:46 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
I found if you right click on the TXT numbering and restart numbering 
I could get numbered lists inside my outline numbering. I do this in 
my manuals where outline numbering is for chapters and the lists are 
for step by step procedures.

Steve


Thanks for the tip and it works.

But, I'm sure you'll appreciate that this is defeating one of the 
purposes of using paragraph styles. Using this method, one has to go 
into each paragraph following a heading and, using direct formatting, 
right click and select "restart numbering." And, then if you move 
paragraphs around, you have to go back and do it all over again. I've 
worked so hard to do away with direct formatting that this solution 
seems like a real step backward. There should be a style-level setting 
of "Restart Numbering after Intervening Paragraph" or something like 
that. If I recall, there is a bug report/feature request asking for this 
feature at the style formatting level.


Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Liberation fonts vs Google croscore fonst

[Gabriele Ponzo]

Thank you.

I guess the suggestion should have arrived at destination (devs) as (some
of) they also should read this list as well.

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Gabriele Ponzo

2015-10-06 11:58 GMT+02:00 Bastián Díaz :

> El 06-10-2015 05:50, Gabriele Ponzo escribió:
>
>> I'm not informed on that specifically, but usually forks are made for
>> license issues, so that may be the "problem".
>>
>>
> Liberation fonts 2.0 (SIL open font license1.1) is a fork of google
> croscore fonts, due to the initial license of "liberation fonts" (GPL v2):
> https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts/
>
> Try comparing Google and Liberation Fonts licenses if you wish, and if
>> you'll do please report to us as well.
>>
>> I'd appreciate, at least  ;)
>>
>>
> Google croscore fonts they are licensed under ASL 2.0 (LibreOffice
> supports). Currently the google crosextra fonts are included with
> LibreOffice.
>
> From my point of view, it is not a licensing issue, however, the superior
> quality of the google fonts think they should be included as standard in
> LibreOffice for the benefit of their users.
>
> .cheers
> --
> Bastián Díaz
>

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