Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Forwarding definitely breaks breaks threads out into a new thread.  Weird
that it doesn't happen on my GMail, so i guess that is yet more
confirmation that my GMail threads by subject-line rather than using the
proper way.

Live-Mail is another of Microsoft's.  It's basically the new name for
Hotmail afaik.  Old Hotmail accounts keep their name but probably use the
Live Mail systems.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 16 October 2015 at 17:22, anne-ology  wrote:

>very interesting, indeed.
>
>And has me curiously wondering ...
>   are you saying that by clicking on 'forward' then changing the
> 'Fw'/'Fwd' in the subject line to 'Re' breaks this coding in some
> e-programs ???  ;-o
>
>I use gmail because I dislike the philosophy of the only ISP
> available in this area;
>   (am ready to change the moment there's an alternative available
> to us)
>
>I thus had to quit using Outlook when I switched to gmail;
>   I don't know what Live Mail is but have noticed this option pops
> up at times when I'm contacting someone through their site ...
>  not knowing how to use, I merely copy & paste their e-address to
> an e-mail  ;-)
>
>
>
>
> From: 
> Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
> How to avoid being swamped ...
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>
>
> Not in mail clients which use the Message-Id and References: headers for
> threading. They keep replies in threads regardless of the subject line.
> SeaMonkey (and most likely Thunderbird) do that, as do many others.
>
> MS Outlook seems to ignore the References: header and uses some sort of
> heuristic analysis of the subject line, so changing the subject groups
> messages into a separate conversation. I don't know if any other mail
> clients do that. Seems like a difficult way of doing things, when there are
> standard headers for doing precisely that in a reliable way, without
> unreliably heuristics!
>
> On the other hand, some replies (including yours, here) appear to me in a
> separate thread despite having the same subject, because they don't include
> the References: header. I guess you (and others which do this) are posting
> using MS Outlook or Live Mail, or perhaps a mobile phone / tablet app.
>
> Mark.
>
>
>
> anne-ology - lagin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> well said.
> >
> > One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
> >is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
> > new thread.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tom Davies 
> > Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing
> list??
> > How to avoid being swamped ...
> > To: Rob Jasper 
> > Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >
> >
> > Hi :)
> > +1
> > Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and Evolution
> > do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email client
> as
> > you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
> > conversations/threading thing by default too.
> >
> > Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
> > Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with
> the
> > rest of the world yet.
> >
> > I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
> > that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete nightmare.
> > Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have already
> > been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.
> It's
> > drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))
> >
> > As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
> > longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i took
> a
> > touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after i
> > was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all
> my
> > emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
> > migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
> > still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident
> (took
> > me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from
> Yahoo
> > if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
> > ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.
> >
> > I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have
> this
> > functionality.  The main thing is to move away from total reliance on
> > Microsoft ones by using any of them.
> >
> > I suspect that a lot of Alexander's problem with this mailing list is
> that
> > he is still stuck on Hotmail.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 October 2015 at 19:00, Rob Jasper 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[anne-ology]

   ... thank you.



From: Tom Davies 
Date: Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
How to avoid being swamped ...
To: anne-ology 
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 


Hi :)
Forwarding definitely breaks threads out into a new thread.  Weird that it
doesn't happen on my GMail, so i guess that is yet more confirmation that
my GMail threads by subject-line rather than using the proper way.

Live-Mail is another of Microsoft's.  It's basically the new name for
Hotmail afaik.  Old Hotmail accounts keep their name but probably use the
Live Mail systems.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 16 October 2015 at 17:22, anne-ology  wrote:

   very interesting, indeed.
>
>And has me curiously wondering ...
>   are you saying that by clicking on 'forward' then changing the
> 'Fw'/'Fwd' in the subject line to 'Re' breaks this coding in some
> e-programs ???  ;-o
>
>I use gmail because I dislike the philosophy of the only ISP
> available in this area;
>   (am ready to change the moment there's an alternative available
> to us)
>
>I thus had to quit using Outlook when I switched to gmail;
>   I don't know what Live Mail is but have noticed this option pops
> up at times when I'm contacting someone through their site ...
>  not knowing how to use, I merely copy & paste their e-address to
> an e-mail  ;-)
>
>
>
>
> From: 
> Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
> How to avoid being swamped ...
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>
>
> Not in mail clients which use the Message-Id and References: headers for
> threading. They keep replies in threads regardless of the subject line.
> SeaMonkey (and most likely Thunderbird) do that, as do many others.
>
> MS Outlook seems to ignore the References: header and uses some sort of
> heuristic analysis of the subject line, so changing the subject groups
> messages into a separate conversation. I don't know if any other mail
> clients do that. Seems like a difficult way of doing things, when there are
> standard headers for doing precisely that in a reliable way, without
> unreliably heuristics!
>
> On the other hand, some replies (including yours, here) appear to me in a
> separate thread despite having the same subject, because they don't include
> the References: header. I guess you (and others which do this) are posting
> using MS Outlook or Live Mail, or perhaps a mobile phone / tablet app.
>
> Mark.
>
>
>
> anne-ology - lagin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> well said.
> >
> > One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
> >is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
> > new thread.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tom Davies 
> > Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing
> list??
> > How to avoid being swamped ...
> > To: Rob Jasper 
> > Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >
> >
> > Hi :)
> > +1
> > Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and Evolution
> > do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email client
> as
> > you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
> > conversations/threading thing by default too.
> >
> > Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
> > Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with
> the
> > rest of the world yet.
> >
> > I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
> > that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete nightmare.
> > Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have already
> > been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.
> It's
> > drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))
> >
> > As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
> > longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i took
> a
> > touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after i
> > was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all
> my
> > emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
> > migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
> > still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident
> (took
> > me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from
> Yahoo
> > if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
> > ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.
> >
> > I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have
> this
> > functionality.  The main 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Threading

[anne-ology]

   ditto.



From: Tom Davies 
Date: Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Threading
To: Rob Jasper 
Cc: j...@lang.hm, "users@global.libreoffice.org" <
users@global.libreoffice.org>, Mark Bourne <
libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com>


Hi :)  Breaks it ut for me.  GMail on a Chromebook right now.

So i think that confirms my GMail account does threading by the
subject-line.  There might be a setting to change that but i don't want to
poke around with it right now.  Maybe when i get back to my desktop i might
have a look.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 16 October 2015 at 12:30, Rob Jasper  wrote:

> Stays in the tread for me :-)
>
> Mac OS X Lion 10.7.5 - Mail version 5.3
>
> Rob.
>
>
> On 16 okt. 2015, at 13:11, James E Lang wrote:
>
> > This reply is being sent from my Android phone using MailDroid. I don't
> think it'll break threading except in receiving clients that use the
> subject for threading like Pegasus Mail for Windows does.
> >
> > --
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > From: libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:37
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing
> list?? How to avoid being swamped ...
> >
> > Not in mail clients which use the Message-Id and References: headers for
> > threading. They keep replies in threads regardless of the subject line.
> > SeaMonkey (and most likely Thunderbird) do that, as do many others.
> >
> > MS Outlook seems to ignore the References: header and uses some sort of
> > heuristic analysis of the subject line, so changing the subject groups
> > messages into a separate conversation. I don't know if any other mail
> > clients do that. Seems like a difficult way of doing things, when there
> > are standard headers for doing precisely that in a reliable way, without
> > unreliably heuristics!
> >
> > On the other hand, some replies (including yours, here) appear to me in
> > a separate thread despite having the same subject, because they don't
> > include the References: header. I guess you (and others which do this)
> > are posting using MS Outlook or Live Mail, or perhaps a mobile phone /
> > tablet app.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> >
> > anne-ology - lagin...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>well said.
> >>
> >>One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
> >>   is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts
a
> >> new thread.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Tom Davies 
> >> Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing
> list??
> >> How to avoid being swamped ...
> >> To: Rob Jasper 
> >> Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi :)
> >> +1
> >> Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and
> Evolution
> >> do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email
> client as
> >> you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
> >> conversations/threading thing by default too.
> >>
> >> Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo
don't.
> >> Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with
> the
> >> rest of the world yet.
> >>
> >> I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.
Before
> >> that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete
> nightmare.
> >> Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have
> already
> >> been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.
> It's
> >> drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))
> >>
> >> As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
> >> longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i
> took a
> >> touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after
> i
> >> was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all
> my
> >> emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
> >> migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
> >> still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident
> (took
> >> me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from
> Yahoo
> >> if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
> >> ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have
> this
> >> functionality.  The main thing is to move away from total reliance on
> >> Microsoft ones by using any of them.
> >>
> >> I suspect that a lot of Alexander's problem with this mailing list is
> that
> >> he is still stuck on Hotmail.
> >> Regards from
> >> Tom :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14 October 2015 at 19:00, Rob Jasper  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> reading with my standard iMac 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Do you remember Usenet newsgroups?  or even still use them?

Gmane is one of 3 main "front-ends" for this mailing list.  It presents all
the posts to the mailing lists in the way that posts were presented in
newsgroups.  You can probably use it to make new posts to the mailing list
or respond to previous ones.  It's VERY good at threading, often even
showing where threads sometimes go off on several different tangents.

Nabble is another front-end for this mailing list.  Nabble arranges the
posts into a structure a lot like a forum, with a pretty gui and nice
for people to use.

The only way to really understand these things is to see them and maybe try
using them for a few posts.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 16 October 2015 at 17:45, anne-ology  wrote:

>curiously wondering what gmane is ...
>   curiously wondering what else I'll be a-learnin' today ...
>  curiously wondering what the newest computer gadget'll be ...
> curiously wondering ... curiously wondering ... curiously
> wondering  ;-)
>
>very interesting indeed;
>   and remember'g how file folders expanded to hold letters by same
> case ...
>  ah, times ... they've been a-changin'  ;-)
>
>
>
> From: Tom Davies 
> Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing
> list?? How to avoid being swamped ...
> To: Andreas Säger 
> Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>
>
> Hi :)
> That is weird.  GMane is meant to work well with this mailing list.
>
> In GMail Anne-ology's replies do appear to be part of the same
> conversation/thread.  Gmail doesn't break it out into a new thread.  So
> Gmail must be using the subject-line then surely?
>
> Should we be posting a bug-report about this mailing list or about GMane?
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 15 October 2015 at 23:47, Andreas Säger  wrote:
>
> > Am 15.10.2015 um 23:38 schrieb libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com:
> > >
> > > Most emails appear correctly threaded to me, using SeaMonkey (based on
> > > Thunderbird). Some messages break threading, because those sending them
> > > use a mail client which doesn't include the relevant headers.
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > All replies by anne-ology start a new thread (gmane on Thunderbird).
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to.. sort a table in 3 columns

[Gary Dale]

On 16/10/15 04:02 PM, william drescher wrote:
I have a list that has two fields: aisle and item.  I need to maintain 
the list sorted by item, but print a pick list by aisle.  This would 
be simple except, when I print the list for marking I need to print it 
in item order, in 3 columns.  When I print the pick list I again need 
to print it in 3 columns, sorted by item,


Right now I am sorting the list by aisle and manually cutting and 
pasting it into 3 columns.  I currently have the data in a spreadsheet.


I tried using frames set for 3 columns, but when past the sorted list 
into the frames it does not spill over onto the 2nd and 3rd columns.


I would appreciate suggestions.

Thanks,

bill



1) Create a custom Writer document with the fields you want printed.
2) attach the spreadsheet to Base. Create a query that meets your 
sort/selection requirements.

3) print the document as a form letter.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

Personally, I'd say the bug is with the likes of Outlook and GMail, for 
relying on an unreliable analysis of the subject line instead of using 
(or even inserting) the headers intended specifically for threading 
messages! But good luck getting anything done about them...


There's nothing the mailing list would be able to do - it just sends on 
the messages it receives. I guess GMane might be able to analyse the 
subjects when displaying threads in its web interface, but then it would 
end up linking messages which aren't related (e.g. every email with a 
subject of "help" would appear as the same thread, regardless of whether 
they're actually different problems and perhaps even sent months apart).


PS. Somewhat ironic that an email about getting a lot of messages on 
this list has generated such a lot of messages... ;o)


PPS. I'm sure some smartarse will point out that it's not actually irony 
but something else; I can never remember the difference...



Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
That is weird.  GMane is meant to work well with this mailing list.

In GMail Anne-ology's replies do appear to be part of the same
conversation/thread.  Gmail doesn't break it out into a new thread.  So
Gmail must be using the subject-line then surely?

Should we be posting a bug-report about this mailing list or about GMane?
Regards from
Tom :)



On 15 October 2015 at 23:47, Andreas Säger  wrote:


Am 15.10.2015 um 23:38 schrieb libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com:


Most emails appear correctly threaded to me, using SeaMonkey (based on
Thunderbird). Some messages break threading, because those sending them
use a mail client which doesn't include the relevant headers.

Mark.





All replies by anne-ology start a new thread (gmane on Thunderbird).



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

anne-ology wrote:

very interesting, indeed.

And has me curiously wondering ...
   are you saying that by clicking on 'forward' then changing the
'Fw'/'Fwd' in the subject line to 'Re' breaks this coding in some
e-programs ???  ;-o


For someone reading mail using a mail client which uses the in-reply-to: 
and references: headers, replying will keep the thread together 
regardless of the subject line (provided the person sending the reply 
adds those headers).


For someone reading mail using a mail client which uses the in-reply-to: 
and references: headers, forwarding an email instead of replying will 
break the thread, regardless of the subject line. It's a new message, 
usually being forwarded to a different person, not a reply to the 
original sender. So it's best to use "reply" when replying, and keep 
"forward" for forwarding.


For someone reading mail using a mail client which doesn't use those 
headers, but analyses the subject line, whether the messages are groups 
into a thread is somewhat unpredictable. It's common to add "Re:" to the 
beginning of the subject of a reply, so trying to exactly match the 
subject line will often fail. So most clients analysing the subject line 
probably ignore "Re:", and perhaps other languages and variations. Is 
"Fwd:" ignored in the same way? What about "[Fwd]"? Or 
"[libreoffice-users]"? It depends on how the particular client analyses 
the subject line. It could break apart messages which should be part of 
the same thread just because of some unanticipated difference in the 
subject line, or it could treat unrelated messages as being part of the 
same thread just because they have similar subjects.



I use gmail because I dislike the philosophy of the only ISP
available in this area;
   (am ready to change the moment there's an alternative available
to us)

I thus had to quit using Outlook when I switched to gmail;
   I don't know what Live Mail is but have noticed this option pops
up at times when I'm contacting someone through their site ...
  not knowing how to use, I merely copy & paste their e-address to
an e-mail  ;-)


When I mentioned Live Mail, I was thinking of Windows Live Mail which 
replaced Outlook Express. That's probably what you see popping up when 
you click an email link on a web page. As Tom mentioned, there's also 
the successor to Hotmail, which is now called Outlook.com, but it may 
have had the "Live" name at one time...







From: 
Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
How to avoid being swamped ...
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Not in mail clients which use the Message-Id and References: headers for
threading. They keep replies in threads regardless of the subject line.
SeaMonkey (and most likely Thunderbird) do that, as do many others.

MS Outlook seems to ignore the References: header and uses some sort of
heuristic analysis of the subject line, so changing the subject groups
messages into a separate conversation. I don't know if any other mail
clients do that. Seems like a difficult way of doing things, when there are
standard headers for doing precisely that in a reliable way, without
unreliably heuristics!

On the other hand, some replies (including yours, here) appear to me in a
separate thread despite having the same subject, because they don't include
the References: header. I guess you (and others which do this) are posting
using MS Outlook or Live Mail, or perhaps a mobile phone / tablet app.

Mark.



anne-ology - lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

 well said.


 One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
new thread.



From: Tom Davies 
Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
How to avoid being swamped ...
To: Rob Jasper 
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 


Hi :)
+1
Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and Evolution
do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email client as
you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
conversations/threading thing by default too.

Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with the
rest of the world yet.

I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete nightmare.
Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have already
been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.  It's
drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))

As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
longer to 

Re: [libreoffice-users] How to.. sort a table in 3 columns

[Brian Barker]

At 16:02 16/10/2015 -0400, William Drescher wrote:
I have a list that has two fields: aisle and item. I need to 
maintain the list sorted by item, but print a pick list by aisle. 
This would be simple except, when I print the list for marking I 
need to print it in item order, in 3 columns. When I print the pick 
list I again need to print it in 3 columns, sorted by item.


Right now I am sorting the list by aisle and manually cutting and 
pasting it into 3 columns. I currently have the data in a 
spreadsheet. I tried using frames set for 3 columns, but when past 
the sorted list into the frames it does not spill over onto the 2nd 
and 3rd columns.


"Fields" suggests a database, you mention a spreadsheet, and "frames" 
suggests a text document, so I don't think your whole problem is 
particularly well defined here. But inasmuch as your final problem 
seems to be getting material to spill over naturally between columns 
in a text document, then separate frames will - as you say - not 
work. But there are various schemes that will:


o Go to Format | Columns... and make your setting there. Notice that 
this is a facet of your page style, so you can also find this on the 
Columns tab of the page style dialogue. By changing page style, you 
can make the columns extend over only some pages of your document.


o You can even have the columns extend over fractional pages using 
sections. Go to Insert | Section... to create a section in your 
document. Set the number of columns in the Insert Section dialogue. 
Note the "Evenly distribute contents to all columns" option, which is 
a simple way to arrange that your columns extend exactly as far down 
the page as necessary.


o If you prefer to use frames (as you mention), it is possible to 
link frames so that material will flow naturally between them. Select 
the first frame, click the Link Frames button in the Frame toolbar, 
and click in the second frame. Repeat for further frames.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I've just seen that option in Chrome too.  It's a little more awkward.
From the icon with 3 horizontal lines go down to "More Tools".  Then "Save
page" gives a dialogue with options at the bottom to save as a single file
or as proper html.

Thanks Jorge!  It's nice to find or be told about these things :)
Regards from
Tom :)

On 16 October 2015 at 17:35, jorge  wrote:

> Hi:
>
> As I see in Firefox, we can save as Web page complete-by default
> (As I
> understand Tom comment), and .html format (A single file to save the web
> page as I suggest). I'm sorry if I am wrong.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jorge Rodríguez
>
>
> El vie, 16-10-2015 a las 16:47 +0100, Tom Davies escribió:
> > Hi :)
> > I thought saving in html format tends to create an extra sub-folder
> > for images and snippets of code and stuff.  The links in the html file
> > pick-up on the stuff that's in that new sub-folder.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16 October 2015 at 16:36, jorge  wrote:
> > Good morning Gary and all:
> >
> > I'm not sure if this following words are of
> > topic...excuse me if
> > yes ! :
> >
> > I don't remember knowing about .mht file format to
> > save web site pages.
> > But when I need to do that I use .html file format that give
> > us a only
> > one file of the web page with all sourse of it as links for
> > example.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jorge Rodríguez
> >
> > El vie, 16-10-2015 a las 08:42 +, Gary Collins escribió:
> > > Tom,
> > > That's a good suggestion, perhaps I should have thought of
> > it. I will give it a go. In general, I use MS because it has
> > been the only one I know capable of handling .mht files, and I
> > save web pages using that format because I find it *much* more
> > convenient to have the page saved in a single file, rather
> > than as a file plus a folder. Perhaps other browsers can now
> > open these files now? I don't know, I haven't got around to
> > checking recently. You know how it is, you find something that
> > works for you and just stick with it - kind of inertia.
> > > I had a reply privately from Brian, though, which suggested
> > that it might be due to the type of formatting used in
> > the .css - using "vertical-align", and if so, that LO probably
> > wouldn't recognise it. I checked the file in a text editor and
> > that is indeed how the superscripting is generated in these
> > pages.
> > > I have since found a workaround which is not the most
> > convenient but will at least allow me to get done what I need
> > to get done.
> > > best,/Gary
> > >From: Tom Davies 
> > >  To: Gary Collins 
> > > Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"
> > 
> > >  Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 18:25
> > >  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with
> > formatting from a web page
> > >
> > > Hi :)  So Microsoft's Internet Explorer only plays well with
> > Microsoft Office?  Err, is there any surprise there?
> > > Have you tried with other web-browsers?  Internet Explorer
> > often seems to be a pos imo and ime.  Each release of it seems
> > to have a load of different 'issues' handling internationally
> > agreed standards (yes, Microsoft ARE involved in setting those
> > standards!).  So websites sometimes have to write extra code
> > specifically aimed at certain versions of IE.  At best IE
> > seems to behave more like a trojan as it's so often found to
> > have remarkable security issues.  MS usually put out at least
> > 1 or more security patch per fortnight to deal with some
> > critical problem or other.
> > > Please, please, please try Chrome, Safari, Opera, or
> > anything else.  Even Firefox's worst releases appear to be
> > better than IE.  There are a huge range of web-browsers
> > available for free and quite easy to download and install.
> > > Personally i would probably paste anything off a website as
> > plain-text and then add back the formatting myself.  There are
> > a few websites i kinda trust but in general i'd try to avoid
> > risking pulling dodgy formatting and what-ever else across
> > into another program/app.
> > > Sorry for the tone here!  Good luck with all this! Many
> > apols sand regards from Tom :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9 October 2015 at 15:54, Gary Collins
> >  wrote:
> > >
> >   

Re: [libreoffice-users] Threading

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

James E Lang wrote:

This reply is being sent from my Android phone using MailDroid. I
don't think it'll break threading except in receiving clients that
use the subject for threading like Pegasus Mail for Windows does.


Yep, your reply has the in-reply-to: and references: headers, and 
appears properly with the rest of the thread (at least in Mozilla 
SeaMonkey). I didn't mean to imply that all mobile apps break threading.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page

[Gary Collins]

Tom, 
That's a good suggestion, perhaps I should have thought of it. I will give it a 
go. In general, I use MS because it has been the only one I know capable of 
handling .mht files, and I save web pages using that format because I find it 
*much* more convenient to have the page saved in a single file, rather than as 
a file plus a folder. Perhaps other browsers can now open these files now? I 
don't know, I haven't got around to checking recently. You know how it is, you 
find something that works for you and just stick with it - kind of inertia.
I had a reply privately from Brian, though, which suggested that it might be 
due to the type of formatting used in the .css - using "vertical-align", and if 
so, that LO probably wouldn't recognise it. I checked the file in a text editor 
and that is indeed how the superscripting is generated in these pages. 
I have since found a workaround which is not the most convenient but will at 
least allow me to get done what I need to get done.
best,/Gary
   From: Tom Davies 
 To: Gary Collins  
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 18:25
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page
   
Hi :)  So Microsoft's Internet Explorer only plays well with Microsoft Office?  
Err, is there any surprise there?  
Have you tried with other web-browsers?  Internet Explorer often seems to be a 
pos imo and ime.  Each release of it seems to have a load of different 'issues' 
handling internationally agreed standards (yes, Microsoft ARE involved in 
setting those standards!).  So websites sometimes have to write extra code 
specifically aimed at certain versions of IE.  At best IE seems to behave more 
like a trojan as it's so often found to have remarkable security issues.  MS 
usually put out at least 1 or more security patch per fortnight to deal with 
some critical problem or other.  
Please, please, please try Chrome, Safari, Opera, or anything else.  Even 
Firefox's worst releases appear to be better than IE.  There are a huge range 
of web-browsers available for free and quite easy to download and install.  
Personally i would probably paste anything off a website as plain-text and then 
add back the formatting myself.  There are a few websites i kinda trust but in 
general i'd try to avoid risking pulling dodgy formatting and what-ever else 
across into another program/app.  
Sorry for the tone here!  Good luck with all this! Many apols sand regards from 
Tom :)  


 


On 9 October 2015 at 15:54, Gary Collins  wrote:

Should've said, I'm using 4.4.3.2/G.
       From: Gary Collins 
 To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 15:33
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page

Hi,
I'm copying some text from a web page (windows explorer) into a Writer doc; the 
text copies OK, but I can't seem to preserve superscripting. I've tried normal, 
HTML format and formatted text [RTF] as paste options; I can get attributes 
such as colour pasted, but can't seem to get that superscript. MS Word OTOH 
does preserve the superscript attribute, so it must be there on the clipboard. 
Is there a way of coaxing this information into Writer?
Thanks,/Gary


    
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Brian is always technically correct so it's well worth taking much more
notice of his suggestions than mine.  I tend to use generalities and maybe
suggest ways of exploring or experimenting or different ways of thinking
and give links to documentation that might help.  Brian 'just' gives the
right answer each time.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 16 October 2015 at 09:42, Gary Collins  wrote:

> Tom,
>
> That's a good suggestion, perhaps I should have thought of it. I will give
> it a go. In general, I use MS because it has been the only one I know
> capable of handling .mht files, and I save web pages using that format
> because I find it *much* more convenient to have the page saved in a single
> file, rather than as a file plus a folder. Perhaps other browsers can now
> open these files now? I don't know, I haven't got around to checking
> recently. You know how it is, you find something that works for you and
> just stick with it - kind of inertia.
>
> I had a reply privately from Brian, though, which suggested that it might
> be due to the type of formatting used in the .css - using "vertical-align",
> and if so, that LO probably wouldn't recognise it. I checked the file in a
> text editor and that is indeed how the superscripting is generated in these
> pages.
>
> I have since found a workaround which is not the most convenient but will
> at least allow me to get done what I need to get done.
>
> best,
> /Gary
>
> --
> *From:* Tom Davies 
> *To:* Gary Collins 
> *Cc:* "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> *Sent:* Friday, 9 October 2015, 18:25
> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a
> web page
>
> Hi :)
> So Microsoft's Internet Explorer only plays well with Microsoft Office?
> Err, is there any surprise there?
>
> Have you tried with other web-browsers?  Internet Explorer often seems to
> be a pos imo and ime.  Each release of it seems to have a load of different
> 'issues' handling internationally agreed standards (yes, Microsoft ARE
> involved in setting those standards!).  So websites sometimes have to write
> extra code specifically aimed at certain versions of IE.  At best IE seems
> to behave more like a trojan as it's so often found to have remarkable
> security issues.  MS usually put out at least 1 or more security patch per
> fortnight to deal with some critical problem or other.
>
> Please, please, please try Chrome, Safari, Opera, or anything else.  Even
> Firefox's worst releases appear to be better than IE.  There are a huge
> range of web-browsers available for free and quite easy to download and
> install.
>
> Personally i would probably paste anything off a website as plain-text and
> then add back the formatting myself.  There are a few websites i kinda
> trust but in general i'd try to avoid risking pulling dodgy formatting and
> what-ever else across into another program/app.
>
> Sorry for the tone here!  Good luck with all this!
> Many apols sand regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9 October 2015 at 15:54, Gary Collins  wrote:
>
> Should've said, I'm using 4.4.3.2/G.
>From: Gary Collins 
>  To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>  Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 15:33
>  Subject: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page
>
> Hi,
> I'm copying some text from a web page (windows explorer) into a Writer
> doc; the text copies OK, but I can't seem to preserve superscripting. I've
> tried normal, HTML format and formatted text [RTF] as paste options; I can
> get attributes such as colour pasted, but can't seem to get that
> superscript. MS Word OTOH does preserve the superscript attribute, so it
> must be there on the clipboard. Is there a way of coaxing this information
> into Writer?
> Thanks,/Gary
>
>
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Andreas Säger]

Am 16.10.2015 um 00:47 schrieb Andreas Säger:
> Am 15.10.2015 um 23:38 schrieb libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com:
>>
>> Most emails appear correctly threaded to me, using SeaMonkey (based on
>> Thunderbird). Some messages break threading, because those sending them
>> use a mail client which doesn't include the relevant headers.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> All replies by anne-ology start a new thread (gmane on Thunderbird).
> 
> 
> 


He is the only one with no

> In-Reply-To: 

in the header.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Threading

[James E Lang]

This reply is being sent from my Android phone using MailDroid. I don't think 
it'll break threading except in receiving clients that use the subject for 
threading like Pegasus Mail for Windows does.

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-Original Message-
From: libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:37
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How 
to avoid being swamped ...

Not in mail clients which use the Message-Id and References: headers for 
threading. They keep replies in threads regardless of the subject line. 
SeaMonkey (and most likely Thunderbird) do that, as do many others.

MS Outlook seems to ignore the References: header and uses some sort of 
heuristic analysis of the subject line, so changing the subject groups 
messages into a separate conversation. I don't know if any other mail 
clients do that. Seems like a difficult way of doing things, when there 
are standard headers for doing precisely that in a reliable way, without 
unreliably heuristics!

On the other hand, some replies (including yours, here) appear to me in 
a separate thread despite having the same subject, because they don't 
include the References: header. I guess you (and others which do this) 
are posting using MS Outlook or Live Mail, or perhaps a mobile phone / 
tablet app.

Mark.


anne-ology - lagin...@gmail.com wrote:
> well said.
>
> One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
>is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
> new thread.
>
>
>
> From: Tom Davies 
> Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
> How to avoid being swamped ...
> To: Rob Jasper 
> Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>
>
> Hi :)
> +1
> Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and Evolution
> do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email client as
> you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
> conversations/threading thing by default too.
>
> Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
> Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with the
> rest of the world yet.
>
> I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
> that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete nightmare.
> Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have already
> been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.  It's
> drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))
>
> As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
> longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i took a
> touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after i
> was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all my
> emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
> migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
> still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident (took
> me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from Yahoo
> if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
> ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.
>
> I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have this
> functionality.  The main thing is to move away from total reliance on
> Microsoft ones by using any of them.
>
> I suspect that a lot of Alexander's problem with this mailing list is that
> he is still stuck on Hotmail.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 14 October 2015 at 19:00, Rob Jasper  wrote:
>
>>
>> reading with my standard iMac email client set to "organize by
>> Conversation", and this bundels all mails of one thread into one entry,
> so,
>> after the discussion tread calmes down (does not pop to the top of my
>> unread email list anymore) I just delete the whole thing in one go.
>> I'm sure other mailers have the same functionality.
>>
>> Just my solution, but it works for me :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob.
>>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page

[jorge]

Good morning Gary and all:

I'm not sure if this following words are of topic...excuse me if
yes ! : 

I don't remember knowing about .mht file format to save web site pages.
But when I need to do that I use .html file format that give us a only
one file of the web page with all sourse of it as links for example.

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez

El vie, 16-10-2015 a las 08:42 +, Gary Collins escribió:
> Tom, 
> That's a good suggestion, perhaps I should have thought of it. I will give it 
> a go. In general, I use MS because it has been the only one I know capable of 
> handling .mht files, and I save web pages using that format because I find it 
> *much* more convenient to have the page saved in a single file, rather than 
> as a file plus a folder. Perhaps other browsers can now open these files now? 
> I don't know, I haven't got around to checking recently. You know how it is, 
> you find something that works for you and just stick with it - kind of 
> inertia.
> I had a reply privately from Brian, though, which suggested that it might be 
> due to the type of formatting used in the .css - using "vertical-align", and 
> if so, that LO probably wouldn't recognise it. I checked the file in a text 
> editor and that is indeed how the superscripting is generated in these pages. 
> I have since found a workaround which is not the most convenient but will at 
> least allow me to get done what I need to get done.
> best,/Gary
>From: Tom Davies 
>  To: Gary Collins  
> Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>  Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 18:25
>  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page
>
> Hi :)  So Microsoft's Internet Explorer only plays well with Microsoft 
> Office?  Err, is there any surprise there?  
> Have you tried with other web-browsers?  Internet Explorer often seems to be 
> a pos imo and ime.  Each release of it seems to have a load of different 
> 'issues' handling internationally agreed standards (yes, Microsoft ARE 
> involved in setting those standards!).  So websites sometimes have to write 
> extra code specifically aimed at certain versions of IE.  At best IE seems to 
> behave more like a trojan as it's so often found to have remarkable security 
> issues.  MS usually put out at least 1 or more security patch per fortnight 
> to deal with some critical problem or other.  
> Please, please, please try Chrome, Safari, Opera, or anything else.  Even 
> Firefox's worst releases appear to be better than IE.  There are a huge range 
> of web-browsers available for free and quite easy to download and install.  
> Personally i would probably paste anything off a website as plain-text and 
> then add back the formatting myself.  There are a few websites i kinda trust 
> but in general i'd try to avoid risking pulling dodgy formatting and 
> what-ever else across into another program/app.  
> Sorry for the tone here!  Good luck with all this! Many apols sand regards 
> from Tom :)  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> On 9 October 2015 at 15:54, Gary Collins  wrote:
> 
> Should've said, I'm using 4.4.3.2/G.
>From: Gary Collins 
>  To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>  Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 15:33
>  Subject: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page
> 
> Hi,
> I'm copying some text from a web page (windows explorer) into a Writer doc; 
> the text copies OK, but I can't seem to preserve superscripting. I've tried 
> normal, HTML format and formatted text [RTF] as paste options; I can get 
> attributes such as colour pasted, but can't seem to get that superscript. MS 
> Word OTOH does preserve the superscript attribute, so it must be there on the 
> clipboard. Is there a way of coaxing this information into Writer?
> Thanks,/Gary
> 
> 
> 
>  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I thought saving in html format tends to create an extra sub-folder for
images and snippets of code and stuff.  The links in the html file pick-up
on the stuff that's in that new sub-folder.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 16 October 2015 at 16:36, jorge  wrote:

> Good morning Gary and all:
>
> I'm not sure if this following words are of topic...excuse me if
> yes ! :
>
> I don't remember knowing about .mht file format to save web site
> pages.
> But when I need to do that I use .html file format that give us a only
> one file of the web page with all sourse of it as links for example.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jorge Rodríguez
>
> El vie, 16-10-2015 a las 08:42 +, Gary Collins escribió:
> > Tom,
> > That's a good suggestion, perhaps I should have thought of it. I will
> give it a go. In general, I use MS because it has been the only one I know
> capable of handling .mht files, and I save web pages using that format
> because I find it *much* more convenient to have the page saved in a single
> file, rather than as a file plus a folder. Perhaps other browsers can now
> open these files now? I don't know, I haven't got around to checking
> recently. You know how it is, you find something that works for you and
> just stick with it - kind of inertia.
> > I had a reply privately from Brian, though, which suggested that it
> might be due to the type of formatting used in the .css - using
> "vertical-align", and if so, that LO probably wouldn't recognise it. I
> checked the file in a text editor and that is indeed how the superscripting
> is generated in these pages.
> > I have since found a workaround which is not the most convenient but
> will at least allow me to get done what I need to get done.
> > best,/Gary
> >From: Tom Davies 
> >  To: Gary Collins 
> > Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >  Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 18:25
> >  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a
> web page
> >
> > Hi :)  So Microsoft's Internet Explorer only plays well with Microsoft
> Office?  Err, is there any surprise there?
> > Have you tried with other web-browsers?  Internet Explorer often seems
> to be a pos imo and ime.  Each release of it seems to have a load of
> different 'issues' handling internationally agreed standards (yes,
> Microsoft ARE involved in setting those standards!).  So websites sometimes
> have to write extra code specifically aimed at certain versions of IE.  At
> best IE seems to behave more like a trojan as it's so often found to have
> remarkable security issues.  MS usually put out at least 1 or more security
> patch per fortnight to deal with some critical problem or other.
> > Please, please, please try Chrome, Safari, Opera, or anything else.
> Even Firefox's worst releases appear to be better than IE.  There are a
> huge range of web-browsers available for free and quite easy to download
> and install.
> > Personally i would probably paste anything off a website as plain-text
> and then add back the formatting myself.  There are a few websites i kinda
> trust but in general i'd try to avoid risking pulling dodgy formatting and
> what-ever else across into another program/app.
> > Sorry for the tone here!  Good luck with all this! Many apols sand
> regards from Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 October 2015 at 15:54, Gary Collins  wrote:
> >
> > Should've said, I'm using 4.4.3.2/G.
> >From: Gary Collins 
> >  To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >  Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 15:33
> >  Subject: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web
> page
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm copying some text from a web page (windows explorer) into a Writer
> doc; the text copies OK, but I can't seem to preserve superscripting. I've
> tried normal, HTML format and formatted text [RTF] as paste options; I can
> get attributes such as colour pasted, but can't seem to get that
> superscript. MS Word OTOH does preserve the superscript attribute, so it
> must be there on the clipboard. Is there a way of coaxing this information
> into Writer?
> > Thanks,/Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Threading

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  Breaks it ut for me.  GMail on a Chromebook right now.

So i think that confirms my GMail account does threading by the
subject-line.  There might be a setting to change that but i don't want to
poke around with it right now.  Maybe when i get back to my desktop i might
have a look.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 16 October 2015 at 12:30, Rob Jasper  wrote:

> Stays in the tread for me :-)
>
> Mac OS X Lion 10.7.5 - Mail version 5.3
>
> Rob.
>
>
> On 16 okt. 2015, at 13:11, James E Lang wrote:
>
> > This reply is being sent from my Android phone using MailDroid. I don't
> think it'll break threading except in receiving clients that use the
> subject for threading like Pegasus Mail for Windows does.
> >
> > --
> > Jim
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:37
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing
> list?? How to avoid being swamped ...
> >
> > Not in mail clients which use the Message-Id and References: headers for
> > threading. They keep replies in threads regardless of the subject line.
> > SeaMonkey (and most likely Thunderbird) do that, as do many others.
> >
> > MS Outlook seems to ignore the References: header and uses some sort of
> > heuristic analysis of the subject line, so changing the subject groups
> > messages into a separate conversation. I don't know if any other mail
> > clients do that. Seems like a difficult way of doing things, when there
> > are standard headers for doing precisely that in a reliable way, without
> > unreliably heuristics!
> >
> > On the other hand, some replies (including yours, here) appear to me in
> > a separate thread despite having the same subject, because they don't
> > include the References: header. I guess you (and others which do this)
> > are posting using MS Outlook or Live Mail, or perhaps a mobile phone /
> > tablet app.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> >
> > anne-ology - lagin...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>well said.
> >>
> >>One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
> >>   is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
> >> new thread.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Tom Davies 
> >> Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing
> list??
> >> How to avoid being swamped ...
> >> To: Rob Jasper 
> >> Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi :)
> >> +1
> >> Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and
> Evolution
> >> do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email
> client as
> >> you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
> >> conversations/threading thing by default too.
> >>
> >> Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
> >> Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with
> the
> >> rest of the world yet.
> >>
> >> I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
> >> that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete
> nightmare.
> >> Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have
> already
> >> been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.
> It's
> >> drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))
> >>
> >> As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
> >> longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i
> took a
> >> touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after
> i
> >> was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all
> my
> >> emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
> >> migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
> >> still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident
> (took
> >> me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from
> Yahoo
> >> if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
> >> ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have
> this
> >> functionality.  The main thing is to move away from total reliance on
> >> Microsoft ones by using any of them.
> >>
> >> I suspect that a lot of Alexander's problem with this mailing list is
> that
> >> he is still stuck on Hotmail.
> >> Regards from
> >> Tom :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14 October 2015 at 19:00, Rob Jasper  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> reading with my standard iMac email client set to "organize by
> >>> Conversation", and this bundels all mails of one thread into one entry,
> >> so,
> >>> after the discussion tread calmes down (does not pop to the top of my
> >>> unread email list anymore) I just delete the whole thing in one go.
> >>> I'm 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[anne-ology]

   ah, so that's a difference  ;-)

   I started automatically clicking on 'forward' to avoid all those
extraneous additions
 (as the >>>s) to clean up the messages  ;-)

 so I guess, mine are threaded by gmail's system without these
inner codings, huh  ;-o

   Thanks for teaching me something new re. these machines;
  I really so appreciate the days in which I learn something new.



From: Tom Davies 
Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
How to avoid being swamped ...
To: Rob Jasper 
Cc: anne-ology , "users@global.libreoffice.org" <
users@global.libreoffice.org>


Hi :)
+1
to everyone so far :))  Thanks Anne-ology! :)

I get the impression that some email-clients, maybe Thunderbird, ignores
the words in the subject line and uses something from the coding in the
headers (which are usually hidden).

I know that Forwarding an email "breaks it out" into a new thread but i've
not tried breaking it out in this way but then using the same
subject-line.  I imagine that differnt email-clients would handle that very
differently from each other.


Anyway the point i was making was that Rob Jasper's point about
Conversations / Threading was "spot on" and i'd totally missed it in my
previous post.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 15 October 2015 at 15:42, Rob Jasper  wrote:

On my email client (OSX std email client) it does.
> That doesn;t seem to happen very often, though.
>
> Rob.
>
>
> On 15 okt. 2015, at 16:33, anne-ology wrote:
>
> >   well said.
> >
> >   One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
> >  is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
> > new thread.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tom Davies 
> > Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing
> list??
> > How to avoid being swamped ...
> > To: Rob Jasper 
> > Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >
> >
> > Hi :)
> > +1
> > Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and Evolution
> > do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email client
> as
> > you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
> > conversations/threading thing by default too.
> >
> > Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
> > Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with
> the
> > rest of the world yet.
> >
> > I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
> > that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete nightmare.
> > Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have already
> > been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.
> It's
> > drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))
> >
> > As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
> > longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i took
> a
> > touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after i
> > was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all
> my
> > emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
> > migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
> > still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident
> (took
> > me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from
> Yahoo
> > if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
> > ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.
> >
> > I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have
> this
> > functionality.  The main thing is to move away from total reliance on
> > Microsoft ones by using any of them.
> >
> > I suspect that a lot of Alexander's problem with this mailing list is
> that
> > he is still stuck on Hotmail.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 October 2015 at 19:00, Rob Jasper  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> reading with my standard iMac email client set to "organize by
> >> Conversation", and this bundels all mails of one thread into one entry,
> > so,
> >> after the discussion tread calmes down (does not pop to the top of my
> >> unread email list anymore) I just delete the whole thing in one go.
> >> I'm sure other mailers have the same functionality.
> >>
> >> Just my solution, but it works for me :-)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Rob.
> >>
>
>

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Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] Threading test case

[James E Lang]

Alright! This is a forwarded message with the subject changed, the body 
trimmed, and sent from a different eMail account (Gmail) to really try to break 
the threading. I'm also sending a BCC of it to a separate Gmail address of mine 
that won't route the message through this list. Let's see what happens to 
threading of everything. 

My mail client in this case is MailDroid on my phone. I might originate a copy 
of this test on my other two eMail clients later. Sorry, since this topic is 
not about LO.

I will read this thread on both Gmail accounts and the non Gmail account that 
is subscribed to this list. I'll use MailDroid on my Android phone, Pegasus 
Mail on a Windows desktop, and Mulberry Mail on a Linux laptop. All three use 
the IMAP interface to all accounts and i will examine the threading headers 
(In-Reply-To and References).

-- 
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies 
To: Rob Jasper 
Cc: j...@lang.hm, "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
, Mark Bourne 

Sent: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 8:50
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Threading

Hi :)  Breaks it ut for me.  GMail on a Chromebook right now.  


So i think that confirms my GMail account does threading by the subject-line.  
There might be a setting to change that but i don't want to poke around with it 
right now.  Maybe when i get back to my desktop i might have a look.  

Regards from 

Tom :)  



On 16 October 2015 at 12:30, Rob Jasper  wrote:

Stays in the tread for me :-)

Mac OS X Lion 10.7.5 - Mail version 5.3

Rob.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[anne-ology]

   very interesting, indeed.

   And has me curiously wondering ...
  are you saying that by clicking on 'forward' then changing the
'Fw'/'Fwd' in the subject line to 'Re' breaks this coding in some
e-programs ???  ;-o

   I use gmail because I dislike the philosophy of the only ISP
available in this area;
  (am ready to change the moment there's an alternative available
to us)

   I thus had to quit using Outlook when I switched to gmail;
  I don't know what Live Mail is but have noticed this option pops
up at times when I'm contacting someone through their site ...
 not knowing how to use, I merely copy & paste their e-address to
an e-mail  ;-)




From: 
Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
How to avoid being swamped ...
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Not in mail clients which use the Message-Id and References: headers for
threading. They keep replies in threads regardless of the subject line.
SeaMonkey (and most likely Thunderbird) do that, as do many others.

MS Outlook seems to ignore the References: header and uses some sort of
heuristic analysis of the subject line, so changing the subject groups
messages into a separate conversation. I don't know if any other mail
clients do that. Seems like a difficult way of doing things, when there are
standard headers for doing precisely that in a reliable way, without
unreliably heuristics!

On the other hand, some replies (including yours, here) appear to me in a
separate thread despite having the same subject, because they don't include
the References: header. I guess you (and others which do this) are posting
using MS Outlook or Live Mail, or perhaps a mobile phone / tablet app.

Mark.



anne-ology - lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

well said.
>
> One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
>is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
> new thread.
>
>
>
> From: Tom Davies 
> Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
> How to avoid being swamped ...
> To: Rob Jasper 
> Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>
>
> Hi :)
> +1
> Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and Evolution
> do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email client as
> you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
> conversations/threading thing by default too.
>
> Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
> Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with the
> rest of the world yet.
>
> I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
> that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete nightmare.
> Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have already
> been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.  It's
> drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))
>
> As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
> longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i took a
> touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after i
> was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all my
> emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
> migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
> still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident (took
> me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from Yahoo
> if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
> ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.
>
> I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have this
> functionality.  The main thing is to move away from total reliance on
> Microsoft ones by using any of them.
>
> I suspect that a lot of Alexander's problem with this mailing list is that
> he is still stuck on Hotmail.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 14 October 2015 at 19:00, Rob Jasper  wrote:
>
>
>> reading with my standard iMac email client set to "organize by
>> Conversation", and this bundels all mails of one thread into one entry,
>>
> so,
>
>> after the discussion tread calmes down (does not pop to the top of my
>> unread email list anymore) I just delete the whole thing in one go.
>> I'm sure other mailers have the same functionality.
>>
>> Just my solution, but it works for me :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob.
>>
>>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[anne-ology]

   very interesting indeed  ;-(



From: Andreas Säger 
Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:47 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
How to avoid being swamped ...
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Am 15.10.2015 um 23:38 schrieb libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com:
>
> Most emails appear correctly threaded to me, using SeaMonkey (based on
> Thunderbird). Some messages break threading, because those sending them
> use a mail client which doesn't include the relevant headers.
>
> Mark.
>
>



All replies by anne-ology start a new thread (gmane on Thunderbird).

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Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting from a web page

[jorge]

Hi:

As I see in Firefox, we can save as Web page complete-by default (As I
understand Tom comment), and .html format (A single file to save the web
page as I suggest). I'm sorry if I am wrong.

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez


El vie, 16-10-2015 a las 16:47 +0100, Tom Davies escribió:
> Hi :)  
> I thought saving in html format tends to create an extra sub-folder
> for images and snippets of code and stuff.  The links in the html file
> pick-up on the stuff that's in that new sub-folder.  
> Regards from 
> Tom :)  
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 October 2015 at 16:36, jorge  wrote:
> Good morning Gary and all:
> 
> I'm not sure if this following words are of
> topic...excuse me if
> yes ! :
> 
> I don't remember knowing about .mht file format to
> save web site pages.
> But when I need to do that I use .html file format that give
> us a only
> one file of the web page with all sourse of it as links for
> example.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jorge Rodríguez
> 
> El vie, 16-10-2015 a las 08:42 +, Gary Collins escribió:
> > Tom,
> > That's a good suggestion, perhaps I should have thought of
> it. I will give it a go. In general, I use MS because it has
> been the only one I know capable of handling .mht files, and I
> save web pages using that format because I find it *much* more
> convenient to have the page saved in a single file, rather
> than as a file plus a folder. Perhaps other browsers can now
> open these files now? I don't know, I haven't got around to
> checking recently. You know how it is, you find something that
> works for you and just stick with it - kind of inertia.
> > I had a reply privately from Brian, though, which suggested
> that it might be due to the type of formatting used in
> the .css - using "vertical-align", and if so, that LO probably
> wouldn't recognise it. I checked the file in a text editor and
> that is indeed how the superscripting is generated in these
> pages.
> > I have since found a workaround which is not the most
> convenient but will at least allow me to get done what I need
> to get done.
> > best,/Gary
> >From: Tom Davies 
> >  To: Gary Collins 
> > Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"
> 
> >  Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 18:25
> >  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] copying text with
> formatting from a web page
> >
> > Hi :)  So Microsoft's Internet Explorer only plays well with
> Microsoft Office?  Err, is there any surprise there?
> > Have you tried with other web-browsers?  Internet Explorer
> often seems to be a pos imo and ime.  Each release of it seems
> to have a load of different 'issues' handling internationally
> agreed standards (yes, Microsoft ARE involved in setting those
> standards!).  So websites sometimes have to write extra code
> specifically aimed at certain versions of IE.  At best IE
> seems to behave more like a trojan as it's so often found to
> have remarkable security issues.  MS usually put out at least
> 1 or more security patch per fortnight to deal with some
> critical problem or other.
> > Please, please, please try Chrome, Safari, Opera, or
> anything else.  Even Firefox's worst releases appear to be
> better than IE.  There are a huge range of web-browsers
> available for free and quite easy to download and install.
> > Personally i would probably paste anything off a website as
> plain-text and then add back the formatting myself.  There are
> a few websites i kinda trust but in general i'd try to avoid
> risking pulling dodgy formatting and what-ever else across
> into another program/app.
> > Sorry for the tone here!  Good luck with all this! Many
> apols sand regards from Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 October 2015 at 15:54, Gary Collins
>  wrote:
> >
> > Should've said, I'm using 4.4.3.2/G.
> >From: Gary Collins 
> >  To: "users@global.libreoffice.org"
> 
> >  Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015, 15:33
> >  Subject: [libreoffice-users] copying text with formatting
> from a web page
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm copying some text from a web page (windows explorer)
> into a Writer doc; the text copies OK, but I can't seem to
> preserve superscripting. I've 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[anne-ology]

   curiously wondering what gmane is ...
  curiously wondering what else I'll be a-learnin' today ...
 curiously wondering what the newest computer gadget'll be ...
curiously wondering ... curiously wondering ... curiously
wondering  ;-)

   very interesting indeed;
  and remember'g how file folders expanded to hold letters by same
case ...
 ah, times ... they've been a-changin'  ;-)



From: Tom Davies 
Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing
list?? How to avoid being swamped ...
To: Andreas Säger 
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 


Hi :)
That is weird.  GMane is meant to work well with this mailing list.

In GMail Anne-ology's replies do appear to be part of the same
conversation/thread.  Gmail doesn't break it out into a new thread.  So
Gmail must be using the subject-line then surely?

Should we be posting a bug-report about this mailing list or about GMane?
Regards from
Tom :)



On 15 October 2015 at 23:47, Andreas Säger  wrote:

> Am 15.10.2015 um 23:38 schrieb libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com:
> >
> > Most emails appear correctly threaded to me, using SeaMonkey (based on
> > Thunderbird). Some messages break threading, because those sending them
> > use a mail client which doesn't include the relevant headers.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> >
>
>
> All replies by anne-ology start a new thread (gmane on Thunderbird).
>
>
>

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