[libreoffice-users] Re: Date/time autocorrection (update me)

2016-06-08 Thread Edwar Cifuentes
You know, I withheld from starting this thread at the last minute 
because I was thinking of a better way to ask this that would lead me 
more quickly to the understanding of this issue, but I'd already pressed 
the send button, and instead of canceling the sending of the message I 
deleted the message from my sent folder.
Without the message I couldn't rewrite it in a more useful way. And I 
didn't know if the message got through or not until just this moment 
when I saw the first reply.


At this point with my level of understanding I only have two choices. 
Either take the first reply as a "things are still the same" for now and 
try asking again when I am more experienced, or try to turn this thread 
into the way I was thinking would lead me to quicker understanding.


I think I will opt for leaving as it is for now. After all I was trying 
to cancel the message.

In any case thanks for your comments Brian.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded Base on Windows Share?

2016-06-08 Thread Andreas Säger
For multi-user access you need a database server. It is fairly easy to
convert your embedded HSQLDB into a server application.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded Base on Windows Share?

2016-06-08 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 07/06/2016 à 20:11, Christopher Howard a écrit :

Hi Christopher,

> Hi, I want to create a small embedded Base db for 3 or 4 users. It is a
> mix of Gnu/Linux and Windows desktops. I can create a Base db just fine
> on my person Debian laptop, but if I try to create it on our Windows
> share, or copy it there and then use it, I get an error that Base cannot
> communicate with the database. I can read/write to the share fine with a
> file manager or text editor... so I am thinking this has something to do
> with the nuances of NTFS, or file locks, or something like that. Does
> anyone have any insight on that, and related work arounds?
> 


I have seen this reported elsewhere (on other mailing lists). It might
be a bug, or it might well be a share lock option (either in soffice or
on the share itself). What are the options in your CIFS mount ?

Can you read/write to the share with other LibreOffice document types ?


Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Assigning templates to files

2016-06-08 Thread Wiebe van der Worp

On 07-06-16 22:21, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:


The **wonderful**, nor broken,
extension was to ASSIGN a template to AN EXISTING DOCUMENT.  This is a
method for normalizing styles and formatting.

It is really painful that this functionality is gone.



I hate to react in a "me too" form, but yes, not having this extension 
working would be a show stopper for me. So 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=103039 solves 
it For now.


This extension has to do something with both intuitive work flow and 
efficient work flow: You start writing in an empty document while using 
styles consequently. As your document gets bigger and more mature you 
want to assign an existing and proven template that fits fine.


I am a little surprised that this is not standard functionality in 
LibreOffice (why?) and I am even more surprised that so little people 
complain about the missing functionality in an environment where it is 
to be expected that people rely more on styles than direct formatting.


Having said this, I am very grateful to be able to use "Template 
Changer" by André Schnabel (cc). I wonder what long term plans there are 
concerning 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=103039=edit 
and the working link (to this more than highly appreciated extension).


B.t.w., the grass on the other side of the border is not greener per 
definition: 
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2010-word/word-2010-apply-template-to-a-current-document/96ba15e8-90d1-40ed-b672-585bff717168


Best regards, Wiebe van der Worp

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Date/time autocorrection (update me)

2016-06-08 Thread Brian Barker

At 00:17 08/06/2016 -0500, Edwar Cifuentes wrote:
I've been trying to find a way to disable (as in one definite 
action, not a repetitive action performed every time it's needed) 
calc from turning things like 2/2/2 into 02/02/02.


It's in the nature of spreadsheets that values that you enter are 
often interpreted in some way or other: you are not simply typing 
into a cell. If you type "false", the value stored in the cell is a 
boolean value and the display shows "FALSE", not "false". If you type 
"1E3", the value stored is a thousand, but the display shows 
"1.00E+003". In addition, the cell formatting is changed to 
Scientific, so that if you subsequently type "123" into the same 
cell, the display will show "1.23E+002". You can follow some of these 
effects (but not all) by observing the difference between what 
appears in a cell and what appears in the Input Line when the cell is 
selected - often different.


If you don't want this sort of assistance at all, you may not want to 
use a spreadsheet. (But read on.)



List of things I've found and tested so far without satisfaction:
Use apostrophe before data: '2/2/2
works but has to be done per each cell so doesn't really count as 
disabling like I said above.


As you imply, this is ideal for occasional departures from normal 
behaviour - and you should make use of this when required.



Format cells as "text"
works but you have to do it before entering the data, or else you'll 
lose the data, ...


This is the Right Answer to your question. Generally speaking, you 
should know before you enter data what you want to do with it and 
should format cell ranges (rows, columns, or whatever) appropriately. 
If you want what you type to appear just as you entered it, you will 
indeed want to format the relevant cell ranges as Text before you 
enter data. (Note that you can select large areas and format them in 
one action - even an entire sheet.) Surely that is no burden? Indeed, 
it may force you to think about exactly what you intend to do with 
the spreadsheet - which is a Good Thing!


... which after you apply the text format to the cell, will be 
converted to another inexplicable number. Example: I type 2/2/2, it 
gets converted to 02/02/02, then I change the cell's format to Text 
and then I see the number 37289?...


There is nothing inexplicable about this. If your entry "2/2/2" is 
just that - a five-character string with no other meaning - then you 
will have formatted the column (or whatever) as Text and you will get 
and see what you want. If it *is* actually a date, you should want 
the value to be interpreted as meaning 2 February 2002 and you should 
format the cell range to display it as you wish. The format string 
"D/M/YY" (or "M/D/YY", depending on your locale) will show "2/2/02" - 
which is close to what you want. It is only by allowing this to 
happen that you will be able to calculate with your date; calculation 
is surely the usual point of using a spreadsheet.


Dates are stored internally as the number of days from a starting 
date, which is 30 December 1899 by default. Your date, 2 February 
2002, is simply 37,289 days after 30 December 1899. Note that this 
means that your "2/2/2" is not "turned into 02/0/202" but into the 
number 37289; the cell formatting (also set automatically) is then 
responsible for the exact details of the display.


Additionally, sometimes you're entering data on the fly, or making a 
sketch, and you don't really have defined where text only data will go, etc.


If you *really* don't know what you will be doing until you do it, 
you need to use the apostrophe technique or to format individual 
cells as Text as you go.


(I've excised your other suggestions since, as you say, they are irrelevant.)

This shouldn't ever happen, but if you do enter a lot of data and it 
gets interpreted in ways that you don't want, you can (nearly?) 
always use the functionality of a spreadsheet to put things back as 
you want them. Taking your fake date as an example, you could use the 
TEXT() function along with the "D/M/YY" (or "M/D/YY") format to 
reconstruct "2/2/02" and then one or more of the string functions to 
remove the unwanted zero. But if you have a clear idea before you 
enter data of what you are doing, you will not need to do this.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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