Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

2016-08-18 Thread Robert Funnell 

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, Piet van Oostrum wrote:


Alexander Thurgood wrote:

> Le 17/08/2016 à 18:35, Tom Morton a écrit :
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> > This is impossible tho. If I deleted these sections I would have had to have
> > deleted them separately as they were not together. And also if I had of
> > deleted them, the footnotes would have disappeared also? I would have had to
> > have highlighted each paragraph and deleted them and made sure I didn't
> > delete the citation... I remember perfectly saving my paper, exiting Libre
> > Office Writer and then going to bed. There's just no way.
> >
>
> I'm not saying that there wasn't a problem with LibreOffice, who knows
> it could well have been a "Heisenbug"-type scenario that only occurs in
> some specific, seemingly random circumstances - e.g. saving to network
> drive where the connection fails, saving to USB key, power surge/outage,
> etc.

As I wrote in a previous message, I saved one of my documents as MS 2003 XML, 
and it was severely broken. A large part was missing, so this doesn't seem an 
intermittent bug, but something structural.


I just saved a document as MS 2003 XML and when I reopened it it was 
quite creatively messed up: broken headers and footers, bad fonts, 
weird vertical strips of text, ... .


I did a search for '2003 xml' at bugs.documentfoundation.org and found 
a number of old related bugs. The ones that I looked at had not had 
any attention for years except for annual checks that they still 
happen. It doesn't seem that it's a high priority. I hadn't even 
realized that there was such an export format.


- Robert

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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

2016-08-18 Thread Piet van Oostrum 
Alexander Thurgood wrote:

 > Le 17/08/2016 à 18:35, Tom Morton a écrit :
 > 
 > Hi Tom,
 > 
 > > This is impossible tho. If I deleted these sections I would have had to 
 > > have
 > > deleted them separately as they were not together. And also if I had of
 > > deleted them, the footnotes would have disappeared also? I would have had 
 > > to
 > > have highlighted each paragraph and deleted them and made sure I didn't
 > > delete the citation... I remember perfectly saving my paper, exiting Libre
 > > Office Writer and then going to bed. There's just no way. 
 > > 
 > 
 > I'm not saying that there wasn't a problem with LibreOffice, who knows
 > it could well have been a "Heisenbug"-type scenario that only occurs in
 > some specific, seemingly random circumstances - e.g. saving to network
 > drive where the connection fails, saving to USB key, power surge/outage,
 > etc.

As I wrote in a previous message, I saved one of my documents as MS 2003 XML, 
and it was severely broken. A large part was missing, so this doesn't seem an 
intermittent bug, but something structural.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

2016-08-18 Thread Alexander Thurgood 
Le 17/08/2016 à 18:35, Tom Morton a écrit :

Hi Tom,

> This is impossible tho. If I deleted these sections I would have had to have
> deleted them separately as they were not together. And also if I had of
> deleted them, the footnotes would have disappeared also? I would have had to
> have highlighted each paragraph and deleted them and made sure I didn't
> delete the citation... I remember perfectly saving my paper, exiting Libre
> Office Writer and then going to bed. There's just no way. 
> 

I'm not saying that there wasn't a problem with LibreOffice, who knows
it could well have been a "Heisenbug"-type scenario that only occurs in
some specific, seemingly random circumstances - e.g. saving to network
drive where the connection fails, saving to USB key, power surge/outage,
etc.


> I also don't appear to have any backups and I wrote that in one day so I
> don't have another format saved. 
> 

That is unfortunate indeed. The file that you posted doesn't contain the
missing information, it is full of xml verbiage.


Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ancient Greek Extension Problem

2016-08-18 Thread toki 
On 18/08/2016 15:44, CVAlkan wrote:

> Another character that annoys me in most fonts' Greek glyphs is the phi

I had a dim recollection that something was wrong with a couple of other
glyphs, but couldn't remember what.

At least one can legally modify the SBL BibLit fonts. Rename it if
distributed to third parties.

I came across a font for Koine Greek that contained the modern Greek
glyphs, not the Koine Greek ones.

jonathon

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Ancient Greek Extension Problem

2016-08-18 Thread CVAlkan 
Actually, just to clarify what I'm referring to about the shapes in old Greek
manuscripts, take a look at:

http://www.bibleplaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Greek_Fonts_Chart_by_Kris_Udd.pdf

Take a look at the "f,F" row and you can see what I meant about the phi
character. These particular examples cover the period from about 800 bce to
400 ad. Of course, as fonts go, these are designed more for utility than for
beauty, but ...

So, I'm always happy to hear about any usable fonts for ancient Greek.

And since I'm being a cranky old guy anyway - most sites that list "Greek
Fonts" have loads of fonts that have no Greek glyphs whatsoever - only the
normal Latin glyphs designed to "look like" what the designer thinks Greek
characters look like.

So, enough already



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Ancient Greek Extension Problem

2016-08-18 Thread CVAlkan 
Hi Jonathon:

The SBL Greek is one of the ones I've looked at, but it also had the tilde
shaped circumflex (in Unicode it's actually called a perispomeni) - a little
surprising since that didn't show up in any manuscripts that I'm aware of
until well after biblical times.

But I'll take another look.

Another character that annoys me in most fonts' Greek glyphs is the phi
which is usually shown as φ (like an effeminate p with too much of a swirl)
whereas in ancient manuscripts it's more like an o character with a slanted
line going through it.

Thanks,

Frank



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.2 sdk patch - java extensions makefile bug sdk/classes/settings/std.mk

2016-08-18 Thread Stephan Bergmann 

On 08/18/2016 03:51 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Got stuck needing a simple fix, for the following bug:

$ ... set up LO sdk as per ./setsdkenv_unix ...
$ cd sdk/examples/DevelopersGuide/FirstSteps
$ make FirstStepsExamples
...

$ make FirstUnoContact.run
"/usr/bin/java" -Dcom.sun.star.lib.loader.unopath="/opt/l/libreoffice/program" 
-jar 
/home/me/lo/llo/out/libreoffice5.2_sdk/LINUXexample.out/class/FirstStepsExamples/FirstUnoContact.jar
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$1
   at com.sun.star.lib.loader.Loader.getCustomLoader(Loader.java:177)
   at com.sun.star.lib.loader.Loader.main(Loader.java:127)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sun.star.lib.loader.Loader$1
   at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:381)
   at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:424)
   at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:331)
   at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:357)
   ... 2 more
make: *** [FirstUnoContact.run] Error 1
Makefile:96: recipe for target 'FirstUnoContact.run' failed


So this is a simple problem, the makefile includes most required files
into the jar file, but not the missing
"com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$1.class"


Happened to get fixed just yesterday for LO 5.2.1, 
 
"Add missing Loader$1.class".



The current settings/std.mk recipe includes each required file from the
same directory, one by one, but omits this one. Just adding all the
files from that dir (which are all needed to be in the jar file) is
better (will catch any additions/ removals in future versions
automatically).

Here's the git diff patch which makes things work properly:

diff --git a/settings/std.mk b/settings/std.mk
index 9fe1e79..ac2d4aa 100644
--- a/settings/std.mk
+++ b/settings/std.mk
@@ -82,12 +82,5 @@ JAVAMAKER="$(OO_SDK_HOME)/bin/javamaker"
 REGMERGE="$(OO_SDK_URE_BIN_DIR)/regmerge"

 SDK_JAVA_UNO_BOOTSTRAP_FILES=\
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$$Drain.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) 
$(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$$CustomURLClassLoader.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$$Drain.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) 
$(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/InstallationFinder.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) 
$(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/InstallationFinder$$StreamGobbler.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/WinRegKey.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) 
$(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/WinRegKeyException.class$(SQM) \
+-C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/$(SQM) \
 -C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)win/unowinreg.dll$(SQM)


If you need a different format, for this or future patches,
please let me know.

NOTE: Currently I'm just working in a local lo sdk directory created
from the distribution tar file. I intend to clone a full sdk repo when I
have adequate network access to do so. IN OTHER WORDS, the git hashes
above are most likely incorrect/ not related to the actual repo - please
tell me how to create a "repo neutral" patch.


Yeah, your fix looks much better indeed.  Please see 
 for how to send 
a patch for review.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] FYI: Writer watermarks template

2016-08-18 Thread toki 
On 18/08/2016 12:45, Armin Le Grand wrote:

> with all fill attributes available now in Writer, just go to 'page...'

The Watermarks Template and Classification Toolbar address slightly
different issues.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ancient Greek Extension Problem

2016-08-18 Thread toki 
On 18/08/2016 10:43, CVAlkan wrote:
> Sorry - it absolutely is a font problem! 

Try SBL BibLit.


jonathon

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[libreoffice-users] LO 5.2 sdk patch - java extensions makefile bug sdk/classes/settings/std.mk

2016-08-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness 
Just getting started learning how to write a Java extension to
libreoffice (on Debian fwiw).

--- 
I find Eclipse and
https://github.com/smehrbrodt/libreoffice-starter-extension.git and
https://github.com/LibreOffice/loeclipse.git

to be overly opaque and hard to fathom for my liking (I've had to live
on command lines a lot, and this environment seems generally more
debuggable and controllable (got stuck moving a class around in the
first project above)),
--- 

so the raw LO sdk is what I'm trying to ride now.

Got stuck needing a simple fix, for the following bug:

$ ... set up LO sdk as per ./setsdkenv_unix ...
$ cd sdk/examples/DevelopersGuide/FirstSteps
$ make FirstStepsExamples
...

$ make FirstUnoContact.run
"/usr/bin/java" -Dcom.sun.star.lib.loader.unopath="/opt/l/libreoffice/program" 
-jar 
/home/me/lo/llo/out/libreoffice5.2_sdk/LINUXexample.out/class/FirstStepsExamples/FirstUnoContact.jar
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$1
   at com.sun.star.lib.loader.Loader.getCustomLoader(Loader.java:177)
   at com.sun.star.lib.loader.Loader.main(Loader.java:127)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sun.star.lib.loader.Loader$1
   at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:381)
   at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:424)
   at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:331)
   at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:357)
   ... 2 more
make: *** [FirstUnoContact.run] Error 1
Makefile:96: recipe for target 'FirstUnoContact.run' failed


So this is a simple problem, the makefile includes most required files
into the jar file, but not the missing
"com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$1.class"

The current settings/std.mk recipe includes each required file from the
same directory, one by one, but omits this one. Just adding all the
files from that dir (which are all needed to be in the jar file) is
better (will catch any additions/ removals in future versions
automatically).

Here's the git diff patch which makes things work properly:

diff --git a/settings/std.mk b/settings/std.mk
index 9fe1e79..ac2d4aa 100644
--- a/settings/std.mk
+++ b/settings/std.mk
@@ -82,12 +82,5 @@ JAVAMAKER="$(OO_SDK_HOME)/bin/javamaker"
 REGMERGE="$(OO_SDK_URE_BIN_DIR)/regmerge"
 
 SDK_JAVA_UNO_BOOTSTRAP_FILES=\
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$$Drain.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) 
$(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$$CustomURLClassLoader.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/Loader$$Drain.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) 
$(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/InstallationFinder.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) 
$(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/InstallationFinder$$StreamGobbler.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/WinRegKey.class$(SQM) \
--C $(CLASSES_DIR) 
$(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/WinRegKeyException.class$(SQM) \
+-C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)com/sun/star/lib/loader/$(SQM) \
 -C $(CLASSES_DIR) $(SQM)win/unowinreg.dll$(SQM)


If you need a different format, for this or future patches,
please let me know.

NOTE: Currently I'm just working in a local lo sdk directory created
from the distribution tar file. I intend to clone a full sdk repo when I
have adequate network access to do so. IN OTHER WORDS, the git hashes
above are most likely incorrect/ not related to the actual repo - please
tell me how to create a "repo neutral" patch.

Thanks,
Zenaan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] FYI: Writer watermarks template

2016-08-18 Thread Armin Le Grand 

Hi,

with all fill attributes available now in Writer, just go to 'page...' 
in page context menu (or format/page... in menu), in 'Area' tab use any 
bitmap (best is to use 'import image...'), can be a SVG, too nowadays 
(for size and quality). Seems as if you once have to say OK to get the 
image applied, then go there again and in 'Transparency' tab choose any 
transparency useful for watermark.


HTH!

Am 15.08.2016 um 01:44 schrieb Dave Koelmeyer:

Hi,

For those wanting an instant solution for LibreOffice Writer watermarks,
I've created a template which can be freely downloaded and used from here:

   * http://www.apertura.co.nz/libreofficewatermarks


The watermarks are SVG-format (small file size, 100 percent quality).
I'll be updating this with additional watermark page styles now and then.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Dave



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Ancient Greek Extension Problem

2016-08-18 Thread CVAlkan 
Sorry - it absolutely is a font problem!  I was just griping that most (well,
many) fonts provide only the modern form of the glyph - their creators
assuming that the font's use will be for modern Greek. I guess that's a
correct assumption most of the time, so it's a hollow complaint.

I was just whining (it's what we old folks do). It's disturbing to find a
font I think is otherwise good looking, but has the tilde-like glyph. But
some fonts do include "alternate" glyphs, so it's not all bad. And there's
always FontForge (for Linux) and Fontographer (for Windows).

But thanks much for the suggestion.



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removal of attachments on mailing list (was Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with instalation)

2016-08-18 Thread Mike Scott 

On 17/08/16 22:24, Tim Lloyd wrote:

Hi,

this list does not allow attachments so can you please post any
attachments to the web based interface



This issue keeps popping up.

I've just had a quick look at the web page 
(www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/) that describes the LO 
various lists. It gives enough information to know to subscribe to 
users@ to get help, but there's no warning about removal of attachments. 
Maybe this needs changing? ISTM a warning plus advice on how to submit 
attachments would do no harm.




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