Re: [libreoffice-users] Book

2017-05-25 Thread toki 


On 05/25/2017 10:11 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:

>> I've seen documents with 20,000 + styles, across paragraph, character,
> That are surely no custom styles, but likely the automatic styles

Custom styles.
Instead of modifying the default style, a new style was created,
whenever something was changed.

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Input required -- font selection in the Math component

2017-05-25 Thread John Pye 

Hi Regina

On 08/05/17 22:25, Regina Henschel wrote:



 * There is currently no way to change the font used for Greek letters
   in LibreOffice. Has this bothered you at all?


No. But if you like a different one, create an own symbol set. The 
advantage of OpenSymbol is, that all users of LibreOffice have got it. 
If you use a different font, the formula might look different on other 
PCs.


This is very slow and tedious. It would be really great if the default 
font could be changed for all symbols. Of course, the intention is for 
the formula to look different :-)





 * Did you notice that the default OpenSymbol font does quite a bad job
   with some expressions, such as {{1 over %alpha} + {1 over {%alpha +
   1}}} ?


Do you have got the newest version? It should be 102.10.


Interesting. I have version 102.7, which is what I get from the Ubuntu 
16.04 LibreOffice 5.2 PPA, deb-src 
http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/libreoffice-5-2/ubuntu xenial main


dpkg -l "*opensymbol*"

ii  fonts-opensymbol 2:102.7+LibO5.2.5~rc1-0ubun



In general the problem is the rendering engine, which is not able to 
use special features. In case of 1 over %alpha it is a bug, 
[https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48965] (and 
duplicates). Workaround 1 over {%alpha`} or 1 over {{}%alpha}


I disagree. The problem is with the font. I have added another image to 
that bug report to clarify.





 * Did you notice that the default for LibreOffice is now to have
   lower-case Greek letters in non-italics, even though basically every
   academic publication you'll ever see has lower-case greek letters in
   italics, and this can only be changed to 'normal' behaviour using a
   hidden 'advanced' setting?


Now there are two sets, one upright and one italic, so that you can 
write %beta and %ibeta and %BETA and %iBETA.


There exists an advanced setting GreekCharStyle with values 0,1 or 2.
Value 0 means: Write Greek symbols literal, those from set "Greek" 
upright, those from set "iGreek" in italic.

Value 1 means: Write all Greek symbols in italic
Value 2 means: Write large characters of set "Greek" upright and all 
others italic.

You need to restart LibreOffice after changing the value.

You can of cause force upright always with command nitalic, and force 
italic with command italic.


The default should be setting 2, consistent with normal publishing 
practice. But on new installs, last time I checked, the default was 
still 0 with is a poor choice for the default.





 * Did you notice that if you set the default Math font size in Writer,
   it also changes in Impress? One size fits all!


Math is a separate module. It is always inserted as OLE.

 It would be great if

   the size setting were specific to the context in which the Math is
   being inserted.


That is not possible, because the default configuration does not know, 
in which context it will be used. There exists only one default 
configuration. I use macros to adapt the formula in Writer or 
Draw/Impress, or I change the size in the first formula I write and 
make that the new default.


It might be possible, that in case, the formula editor is called 
in-place in Writer or Draw/Impress, that the context information can 
be used instead of the default.


This is a definite design problem. The 'default' size should not have to 
be changed every time one switches between Writer and Draw/Impress. This 
problem has been addressed quite nicely in Another Office Package.





 * Did you notice that sometimes you can over-type text on top of a
   Formula by typing F2 when a Formula is selected in Impress?


That is the text-box, which belongs to every OLE-object and every 
other object in Draw/Impress. You can use it to write a caption to the 
formula, which moves together with the formula. It does not belong to 
the formula itself but to the OLE representation of the formula. The 
position of this text is set in Format > Object and Shape > Text.


This is a bad feature for something like a Math object, which inherently 
also contains text, in my view. I think this feature of being able to 
overlay text should be suppressed for most embdedded objects, and it 
will cause confusion to the majority of users.


Cheers
JP

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Announcing Designing with LibreOffice excerpt: Styles and Templates

2017-05-25 Thread Bruce Byfield 
I blush!

But, to judge from the download logs, there are some people who want 
only parts. The smaller books are  easier to handle at the computer.

On May 25, 2017 03:20:33 PM Kevin O'Brien wrote:
>But why on earth would anyone *not* want your complete book? Boggles
>the mind!
>
>Regards,
>
>On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Byfield  
wrote:
>> Friends of OpenDocument has just released another excerpt from my
>> book
>> "Designing with LibreOffice" called "Styles and Templates."
>> 
>> "Styles and Templates" contains most of the information on its
>> subject
>> contained in "Designing with LibreOffice," with some alterations in
>> structure and edits for continuity. It is intended for those who want
>> information on LibreOffice styles and templates, but would prefer not
>> to have the complete book.
>> 
>> Both are released under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike
>> license, and are available for download from
>> www.designingwithlibreoffice.com. The site also contains a link for
>> buying hardcopy versions of both books.
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[libreoffice-users] Re Book

2017-05-25 Thread gordon cooper 

Following John Jason Jordan's comment about Scribus. Am one of a team
producing technical manuals.  After trying various systems, we now do
most of the the authoring/word processing in Lyx, which also solves most of
the layout issues.

LO is used by the translation team to produce the completed manuals in
several languages.

Gordon.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book

2017-05-25 Thread Regina Henschel 

Hi Jonathon,

toki schrieb:

On 05/25/2017 12:09 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:


The ODF specification part 1 has more than 800 pages and about 90 custom
styles. That gives no problems for me; Windows 7 with 4GB Ram and a
Windows-Score of 4.3.


I've seen documents with 20,000 + styles, across paragraph, character,
list, and page styles. That is what I was getting at, when I was talking
about excessive styles.


That are surely no custom styles, but likely the automatic styles 
generated by the random numbers. I propose to turn this feature off as 
default.


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc (5.2.7-1) undo redo problems

2017-05-25 Thread Tim Lloyd 
The bugzilla is interested in your version number, operating system and 
a step by step guide to the problem. It would be worth noting whether 
this bug occurs on existing documents or can you reproduce the problem 
on a new document. If it is an existing document can you upload the doc 
to the bugzilla?


Feel free to post details on how you created the problem and you should 
get some feedback here.


Cheers


On 26/05/17 06:36, foo fighter wrote:

Hi,

I need help to submit a bug report.

In Version 5.2.7 I can reproduce an unhandled exception (program crash) by a 
undo and redo after having moved rows

In Version 5.2.6-2 doing this does not crash, but having moved rows and eddited 
cells, undo redo undo redo commands leads to changes in wrong rows (corrupting 
data).

(I am using debian jessie and stretch)

Any developer who can hold my hand in order to give all info for a quialified 
bug report (in order to have it reproduceable on the devoloper site)?


Thanks

Yours lopiuh




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Announcing Designing with LibreOffice excerpt: Styles and Templates

2017-05-25 Thread toki 
On 05/25/2017 07:20 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:

> But why on earth would anyone *not* want your complete book? Boggles the mind!

_Styles and Templates_ is the quickref cheat sheet. The thing you get to
the technically illiterate person in the office, who would be
overwhelmed by the complete book.

Furthermore, the individual section _Styles and Templates_ is a good
starting point in explaining the how and why of the corporate styles and
templates.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book

2017-05-25 Thread toki 
On 05/25/2017 12:09 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:

> The ODF specification part 1 has more than 800 pages and about 90 custom
> styles. That gives no problems for me; Windows 7 with 4GB Ram and a
> Windows-Score of 4.3.

I've seen documents with 20,000 + styles, across paragraph, character,
list, and page styles. That is what I was getting at, when I was talking
about excessive styles.

jonathon

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[libreoffice-users] calc (5.2.7-1) undo redo problems

2017-05-25 Thread foo fighter 
Hi,

I need help to submit a bug report.

In Version 5.2.7 I can reproduce an unhandled exception (program crash) by a 
undo and redo after having moved rows

In Version 5.2.6-2 doing this does not crash, but having moved rows and eddited 
cells, undo redo undo redo commands leads to changes in wrong rows (corrupting 
data).

(I am using debian jessie and stretch)

Any developer who can hold my hand in order to give all info for a quialified 
bug report (in order to have it reproduceable on the devoloper site)?


Thanks

Yours lopiuh

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Writer - go to a certain page in a text document

2017-05-25 Thread libreoffice-ml . mbourne 

charles meyer wrote:

Hi Folks,

I'm in super hurry mode.

Is there a quicker way than this to reach a certain page in Libre
Writer?

use the "Navigator" to jump to a certain page:



Hit CTRL+SHIFT+F5 to open the navigator, with the cursor in the input
field for the page number.


In MS Word, you just hit Crtl+H.


In LibreOffice 5.3.0 on Windows, either Ctrl+G or Ctrl+Shift+F5 opens a 
"Go to page" dialog where you can type a page number and hit Enter to 
jump to that page. I don't think it could be much quicker than that.


In LibreOffice 5.1.6 on Linux Mint, Ctrl+G does nothing and 
Ctrl+Shift+F5 opens the Navigator as you describe.


It looks like both versions bind Ctrl+Shift+F5 to Navigate > Go to Page, 
but the older version uses the Navigator for that while the newer 
version has a separate dialog (and also binds Ctrl+G by default). If you 
just want Ctrl+G to do what Ctrl+Shift+F5 currently does (using 
Navigator) you should be able to add that keyboard binding at Tools > 
Customise > Keyboard.


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[libreoffice-users] Libre Writer - go to a certain page in a text document

2017-05-25 Thread charles meyer 
Hi Folks,

I'm in super hurry mode.

Is there a quicker way than this to reach a certain page in Libre Writer?

use the "Navigator" to jump to a certain page:



Hit CTRL+SHIFT+F5 to open the navigator, with the cursor in the input field
for the page number.


In MS Word, you just hit Crtl+H.


Thanks so much.


Charles.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Announcing Designing with LibreOffice excerpt: Styles and Templates

2017-05-25 Thread Kevin O'Brien 
But why on earth would anyone *not* want your complete book? Boggles the mind!

Regards,



On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Byfield  wrote:
> Friends of OpenDocument has just released another excerpt from my book
> "Designing with LibreOffice" called "Styles and Templates."
>
> "Styles and Templates" contains most of the information on its subject
> contained in "Designing with LibreOffice," with some alterations in
> structure and edits for continuity. It is intended for those who want
> information on LibreOffice styles and templates, but would prefer not to
> have the complete book.
>
> Both are released under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike
> license, and are available for download from
> www.designingwithlibreoffice.com. The site also contains a link for
> buying hardcopy versions of both books.
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[libreoffice-users] Announcing Designing with LibreOffice excerpt: Styles and Templates

2017-05-25 Thread Bruce Byfield 
Friends of OpenDocument has just released another excerpt from my book 
"Designing with LibreOffice" called "Styles and Templates."

"Styles and Templates" contains most of the information on its subject 
contained in "Designing with LibreOffice," with some alterations in 
structure and edits for continuity. It is intended for those who want 
information on LibreOffice styles and templates, but would prefer not to 
have the complete book.

Both are released under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 
license, and are available for download from 
www.designingwithlibreoffice.com. The site also contains a link for 
buying hardcopy versions of both books.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book

2017-05-25 Thread John Jason Jordan 
On Wed, 24 May 2017 19:56:33 -0400
"Brian Grawburg"  dijo:

>I am in the process of converting 177 pages of my study notes on the
>NT book of Romans from Lotus WordPro to LibreOffice. I have two more
>large "books" to convert after this.  I've thought about breaking it
>up into 4 smaller sections because it takes several seconds to go from
>page to page. There are several different type faces, including Greek,
>which may slow things down. I've also wondered about not using
>LibreOffice and using Scribus instead because the documents are so
>large.  Comments?

Scribus is famous for being slow, although there have been some
improvements recently. The speed problems with Scribus are due to its
text abilities (far more options than LO), which are great for layout
and design, but in order to give the viewer a WYSIWYG screen it redraws
text letter by letter. The common wisdom is to break up the document
into smaller chunks (e.g., separate documents for each chapter), then
export each as a PDF and use other tools to assemble the PDFs into the
final document. There are additional tricks as well, but they are too
detailed to describe here.

I should add another mantra of Scribus users: Scribus is a layout tool;
not a word processor. You do your writing in your word processor, your
images in the GIMP or Inkscape, and assemble them in Scribus. Its
import filter for ODT files preserves styles (adapting them to Scribus
conventions), but not much else, e.g., page numbers and images are
ignored. When I write a document that I know I will eventually want to
lay out in Scribus I write it in LO, applying the styles that I know I
will want in Scribus, but I don't bother with the details of the style
in LO - I just want the text tagged with the style because I'm going to
change/enhance it once the text is in Scribus anyway.

I must also mention the Scribus listserv, because this is a LO list
where Scribus discussions border on being off topic: 
Scribus Mailing List: scri...@lists.scribus.net
Edit your options or unsubscribe:
http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus
See also:
http://wiki.scribus.net
http://forums.scribus.net

And finally I should mention TeX. (The X is pronounced as a voiceless
velar fricative, e.g., the ch in German 'ach,' and in written form the
X is supposed to be below the baseline.) TeX was originally conceived
as a way to produce academic documents like dissertations and theses,
where it still shines today. It has many devotees and there are a great
many add-ons and utilities, e.g., Latex, Lyx, inter multa alia. I don't
have listserve or website information handy because I don't use TeX
personally, but I'm sure there are plenty of such resources online.

Good luck with your project!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book

2017-05-25 Thread Regina Henschel 

Hi Jonathon,

toki schrieb:

On 05/24/2017 11:56 PM, Brian Grawburg wrote:


There are several different type faces, including Greek, which may slow things 
down.


The only slow down is from applying the appropriate styles.
My recommendation is to use language specific styles.


I've also wondered about not using LibreOffice and using Scribus instead 
because the documents are so large.


177 pages isn't that many.

The time lag is usually due to either insufficient RAM or an excessive
number of styles - both character and paragraph, or both.


The ODF specification part 1 has more than 800 pages and about 90 custom 
styles. That gives no problems for me; Windows 7 with 4GB Ram and a 
Windows-Score of 4.3.


To reduce the automatic styles, you should disable generating random 
numbers in Tools > Options > Writer > Comparison. Otherwise you will end 
up with thousands of automatic styles only to keep these numbers.


And you should immediately resolve comments and delete them and resolve 
tracked changes and accept or reject them.


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book

2017-05-25 Thread Gabriele Ponzo 
Consider also using master documents (.odm). Its styles overrides the one
on the single documents embedded in it.

Il 25 mag 2017 4:36 AM, "toki"  ha scritto:

> On 05/24/2017 11:56 PM, Brian Grawburg wrote:
>
> >There are several different type faces, including Greek, which may slow
> things down.
>
> The only slow down is from applying the appropriate styles.
> My recommendation is to use language specific styles.
>
> > I've also wondered about not using LibreOffice and using Scribus instead
> because the documents are so large.
>
> 177 pages isn't that many.
>
> The time lag is usually due to either insufficient RAM or an excessive
> number of styles - both character and paragraph, or both.
>
> jonathon
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