Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Dennis Heuer]

Hello,

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:57:08 +0200
Regina Henschel  wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
> 
> I suggest to use lists. Define for each person a numbering style. Set 
> the "before" field to the name of the person and the "after" field to
> a colon for example. You can set the numbering itself to "none". Or
> you keep the numbering - in case you need to refer to paragraphs.
> 
> If you name the style the same as the person, you can easily manage 
> then. The way lists are rendered give you the needed indentation 
> automatically, you only need to apply the respective list to the text
> of the person.
> 
> Kind regards
> Regina

Well, the whole templating is cumbersome and even weird. For example,
I cannot first define a generic type to later inherit defaults from it
because the dialog doesn't show me list details – only paragraph
details. The only provided way to configure list details is to edit the
source type, and that I definetely don't want. I have to define the
generic type, then use it and then open the list dialog and then
configure the list details. However, inheriting from it causes the same
problem for the named type, i.e. I have to use the list to be able to
set the proper name. When I define a second named type, the same
problem appears. But when I change the properties for it, LibreOffice
even changes all lists already existing in the document, no matter what
type they belong to...

I'm pissed by this mess... Go to sleep...
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Gabriele Ponzo]

Indeed this is the right and canonical way to do that (as I use to teach :)

Could you link a screenshot or the document somewhere to analyze your issue?

Il 16 ago 2017 12:47 AM, "Dennis Heuer" <
e...@verschwendbare-verweise.seinswende.de> ha scritto:

> Hello,
>
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:41:14 +0200
> Ricardo Berlasso  wrote:
>
> > You can always define tab stops on a paragraph style level. The
> > "trick" goes like this:
> >
> > 1- Define a paragraph style with "space before" at, say, 3cm, a
> > negative indent of -3cm (both under Space and and indenting) and a
> > left aligned tab stop at 3cm (under Tabs)
> >
> > 2- On a paragraph with that style applied, type the Name, press tab
> > (only once) and start typing :) You'll get something like this
> >
> > https://elpinguinotolkiano.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/tab-tabla.png
> >
> > Each time you start a new paragraph you only need one tab stop to get
> > the text aligned to the desired "margin".
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ricardo
>
> I tried this, and it works nice even with -. However,
> when (and only) the first line breaks, the whole paragraph slips two
> lines below the name
>
> regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Dennis,

Dennis Heuer schrieb:

Hello,

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:01:16 +0200
Gabriele Ponzo  wrote:


Anyway the idea of customizing list to have a name for each level is
really interesting indeed.

In that way you could just switch among people with tabulations and
avoid to write their names every time.

I hope to remember it when I'll have some time to test it!


I tried this but got strange behaviour:

First, I cannot make the tabbing stay at place, i.e. for later names the
indention ist farther


I want to give each person its own numbering style.



Second, I cannot delete a list point with the backspace key (markation
still works)


Using backspace means, that you get a further paragraph, which belongs 
to the same list item. In my suggestion it would mean, that a person can 
have two adjacent paragraphs with the same indent, without repeating the 
name.




Further fiddling just destroyed all normal behaviour

However, ten levels are too few for a storyboard


How many persons do you need?

Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Dennis Heuer]

Hello,

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:41:14 +0200
Ricardo Berlasso  wrote:

> You can always define tab stops on a paragraph style level. The
> "trick" goes like this:
> 
> 1- Define a paragraph style with "space before" at, say, 3cm, a
> negative indent of -3cm (both under Space and and indenting) and a
> left aligned tab stop at 3cm (under Tabs)
> 
> 2- On a paragraph with that style applied, type the Name, press tab
> (only once) and start typing :) You'll get something like this
> 
> https://elpinguinotolkiano.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/tab-tabla.png
> 
> Each time you start a new paragraph you only need one tab stop to get
> the text aligned to the desired "margin".
> 
> Regards,
> Ricardo

I tried this, and it works nice even with -. However,
when (and only) the first line breaks, the whole paragraph slips two
lines below the name

regards,
-
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Gabriele,

Gabriele Ponzo schrieb:
[..]


Anyway the idea of customizing list to have a name for each level is really
interesting indeed.

In that way you could just switch among people with tabulations and avoid
to write their names every time.


I do not mean, to bind the people to levels, but to make a new list 
style for each person.


If you do it that way, it would even be possible to make a paragraph 
style for each person and bind the numbering to the paragraph. In a 
paragraph you can style more, e.g. colors.


Kind regards
Regina




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Dennis Heuer]

Hello,

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:01:16 +0200
Gabriele Ponzo  wrote:

> Anyway the idea of customizing list to have a name for each level is
> really interesting indeed.
> 
> In that way you could just switch among people with tabulations and
> avoid to write their names every time.
> 
> I hope to remember it when I'll have some time to test it!

I tried this but got strange behaviour:

First, I cannot make the tabbing stay at place, i.e. for later names the
indention ist farther

Second, I cannot delete a list point with the backspace key (markation
still works)

Further fiddling just destroyed all normal behaviour

However, ten levels are too few for a storyboard

regards,
-
Dennis Heuer
e...@verschwendbare-verweise.seinswende.de

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Wiebe van der Worp]

On 15-08-17 12:43, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 12:14 15/08/2017 +0200, Wiebe van der Worp wrote:
>> Please also be aware of the fact that data itself is not copyrighted.
>> In other words, copying data to Calc and use it to create a graph and
>> an accompanying table should never be a problem - if my memory serves
>> me well.
> 
> This may be true in the USA (is it?), but a few seconds of web searching
> shows this certainly not to be so in all jurisdictions. (The text on the
> original chart was in French and the original enquirer wrote from a
> French e-mail address.)

You're right about complexity and everyone should make a well thought
decision. I've asked a lawyer and translated his Dutch answer to English:


It's complicated. There are jurisdictions with a sweat-of-the-brow
copyright protection. Then there is the EU with its data bank protection
(in itself a wrong instrument) that has caused all kinds of weird sui
generis protection of data (such as the Dutch "geschriftenbescherming")
to be invalid.

I would not categorically dare to say that data by definition falls
outside the scope of copyright (within the EU it does, because of data
bank protection, which is something else (and complicated in its own way)).


Maybe this makes it a bit more clear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Gabriele Ponzo]

What Ricardo reported is something I never miss to teach at my trainings.

I add that the tabulation is not required as the paragraph margin (3cm in
that example) is an implicit tabulation itself.

Lists function uses the same technique, since automation can't invent magic
solutions but just do something you could do manually.

Anyway the idea of customizing list to have a name for each level is really
interesting indeed.

In that way you could just switch among people with tabulations and avoid
to write their names every time.

I hope to remember it when I'll have some time to test it!

Il 15 ago 2017 7:29 PM, "Bruce Byfield"  ha scritto:

> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 2:03:06 PM PDT Dennis Heuer wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to write a protocol- or storyboard-alike document in which
> > the paragraphs are indented and a name is put before the paragraphs
> > (like a bulletin list with a text-field instead of the bullet.) I tried
> > several ways to make this work without using cumbersome tables...
> >
> > Actually I'd want indentions to be remembered across linebreaks. 
> > and - would hop over the division borders forth and back.
> > That would be easiest to use...
> >
> > ...Is there another way? At the moment I use tabs and push every new
> > line to proper position. But changing the text means reformating it :(
>
> The Marginalia frame style might help you. It will require some setup to
> get
> the indentation right.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Bruce Byfield]

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 2:03:06 PM PDT Dennis Heuer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to write a protocol- or storyboard-alike document in which
> the paragraphs are indented and a name is put before the paragraphs
> (like a bulletin list with a text-field instead of the bullet.) I tried
> several ways to make this work without using cumbersome tables...
> 
> Actually I'd want indentions to be remembered across linebreaks. 
> and - would hop over the division borders forth and back.
> That would be easiest to use...
> 
> ...Is there another way? At the moment I use tabs and push every new
> line to proper position. But changing the text means reformating it :(

The Marginalia frame style might help you. It will require some setup to get 
the indentation right.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Philip Jackson]

On 15/08/17 16:17, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:
> The real problem was/is the fact that after Windows 10 updates itself
> and then changes the BIOS to remove the boot order. Also it damage the
> GRUB boot software.

Yes - I've had that problem on a dual boot desktop : W7 (later upgraded
to W10) and Ubuntu1604 with each OS on its own hard disk.

The problem with cohabitation involving Windows is that the linux boot
has to be on the Windows disk. I had my default boot set to linux where
I do most of my work.

Quite often, when I went into Windows for the odd task, I would get
involved with Windows' automatic updates. These would drive me mad. I am
not opposed to automatic updates but Windows applies them at the end of
a session and they frequently need a reboot in mid update, if not a
couple of reboots. If I was not keeping a sharp eye for the reboot, the
desk top would end up back in linux. Unfortunately, next time I needed
Windows in a hurry, I would boot into the middle of an update and that
could cost me another 10 minutes of lost time waiting for it to complete.

Linux carries out its update installation in the background, very
unobtrusively. It seldom needs a reboot after update, generally only
when the kernel is updated and even then you can do it at your convenience.

Eventually, the boot sector on my Windows disk started playing up and
went bad. The best solution, I found, was to put the new Windows disk
into another machine. Repair the linux disk so that it had its own boot
sector. That way, with 2 computers quite independent, less time is lost
and Windows 10 now has a clean installation and is much faster at
starting up than the upgraded Windows 7 was.

My 2 cents worth,
Philip

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[jorge Rodríguez]

Hi all:

As I understand, there is a way to use some information from 
other authors: Put quotation marks to the information that we need to 
reference and put a footer where we have to put the information of the 
authors and more. When we use a graph, we can do similar. And I think it 
doesn't break the copyright.


I hope this help,

Jorge Rodríguez


El 15/08/2017 a las 04:43, Brian Barker escribió:

At 12:14 15/08/2017 +0200, Wiebe van der Worp wrote:
Please also be aware of the fact that data itself is not copyrighted. 
In other words, copying data to Calc and use it to create a graph and 
an accompanying table should never be a problem - if my memory serves 
me well.


This may be true in the USA (is it?), but a few seconds of web 
searching shows this certainly not to be so in all jurisdictions. (The 
text on the original chart was in French and the original enquirer 
wrote from a French e-mail address.)


Brian Barker




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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

On 08/15/2017 12:36 AM, gordon cooper wrote:

Tim,

Not sure if this would help on Win 10, but maybe worth a
try.  I gave up on new MS versions not long after XP,  but still
work on a few multi-boot systems and run into Grub issues.

The cure used here is to set up and adjust partitions with
Gparted (on a CD) , then run Puppy Linux (also on a CD) to remake
Grub with the  grub4dos utility. Has the advantage that the
resultant Grub menu is much more readable.

If the Windows partition size needs to be changed, then Defrag
is run before Gparted.

Gordon

The real problem was/is the fact that after Windows 10 updates itself 
and then changes the BIOS to remove the boot order. Also it damage the 
GRUB boot software.


Yes, Gparted is a nice utility.  I have used it before and may use it 
again to tweak the partition size for Windows.  250 GB is more than I 
need for it.  The file explorer in Windows 10 shows the size is 232 GB 
and currently 199 GB free space.  On my oldest laptop had only a 256 GB 
internal drive, which I partitioned for dual booting with Win10 and 
Ubuntu. This 500 GB laptop [using now] is my default laptop since I have 
so much issues with the 17 inch / 1 TB one.


Last night I installed LibreOffice on Ubuntu, along with drivers for the 
printers and other software I use most often.


Right now I am scanning Windows 10 for any nasties that might have crept 
into Windows during the installs.  That laptop's 4 cores are running too 
hot. I had to pause the scan since one core went to 199 degrees and the 
other 3 was over 185 degrees.  This is why I sent it to the Warranty 
repair service and they told me that the fan and heat sink were 
replaced.  The funny thing - sort of - is that Ubuntu runs much cooler 
than Win10 on that laptop.


I hope I will not have as much problems in the future.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Dennis,

Dennis Heuer schrieb:

Hello,

I am trying to write a protocol- or storyboard-alike document in which
the paragraphs are indented and a name is put before the paragraphs
(like a bulletin list with a text-field instead of the bullet.) I tried
several ways to make this work without using cumbersome tables...

Actually I'd want indentions to be remembered across linebreaks. 
and - would hop over the division borders forth and back.
That would be easiest to use...

...Is there another way? At the moment I use tabs and push every new
line to proper position. But changing the text means reformating it :(


I suggest to use lists. Define for each person a numbering style. Set 
the "before" field to the name of the person and the "after" field to a 
colon for example. You can set the numbering itself to "none". Or you 
keep the numbering - in case you need to refer to paragraphs.


If you name the style the same as the person, you can easily manage 
then. The way lists are rendered give you the needed indentation 
automatically, you only need to apply the respective list to the text of 
the person.


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Ricardo Berlasso]

2017-08-15 14:03 GMT+02:00 Dennis Heuer <
e...@verschwendbare-verweise.seinswende.de>:

> Hello,
>
> I am trying to write a protocol- or storyboard-alike document in which
> the paragraphs are indented and a name is put before the paragraphs
> (like a bulletin list with a text-field instead of the bullet.) I tried
> several ways to make this work without using cumbersome tables...
>
> Actually I'd want indentions to be remembered across linebreaks. 
> and - would hop over the division borders forth and back.
> That would be easiest to use...
>
> ...Is there another way? At the moment I use tabs and push every new
> line to proper position. But changing the text means reformating it :(
>

You can always define tab stops on a paragraph style level. The "trick"
goes like this:

1- Define a paragraph style with "space before" at, say, 3cm, a negative
indent of -3cm (both under Space and and indenting) and a left aligned tab
stop at 3cm (under Tabs)

2- On a paragraph with that style applied, type the Name, press tab (only
once) and start typing :) You'll get something like this

https://elpinguinotolkiano.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/tab-tabla.png

Each time you start a new paragraph you only need one tab stop to get the
text aligned to the desired "margin".

Regards,
Ricardo


>
> regards,
> -
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Writer - Quick Reference Guide and Cheat-sheet

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

Were you wanting to post this on LibreOffice's User list?
You emailed the post to me and not the thread.

I will forward it to the user's list.


On 08/15/2017 05:18 AM, Patrice DUMAS wrote:


Hi,

>Thought it would be better to start a new thread for this. . . .
>I have been doing some work on the "Writer - Quick Reference Guide and 
>Cheat-sheet"
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/CheatSheets 



I read your message from documentfoundation.org archives.

Congratulation for your contribution.

In my opinion, it would be fruitful to create a printable PDF file with only 
shortcut for Writer, Calc.
(i.e. create them with the CC licence cheat sheet generatorhttps://www.cheatography.com   


Theses Pdf seems not exist, even yet onhttp://www.cheat-sheets.org/

Best regards,

Patrice.

  




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Ricardo Berlasso]

2017-08-14 16:24 GMT+02:00 Gilles :

> Hello
>
> I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this one:
>
> 
>
> Is there a simple way in LO to do this, ideally without using maths (unless
> it's a no-brainer)?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
There is an extension to get data from a scanned graph

https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/digitizer-of-xy-chart

I've never used it, though, so I do not know how well (or if) it works.

Regards,
Ricardo




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[libreoffice-users] Indendet paragraphs with names, hints or comments at the left side?

[Dennis Heuer]

Hello,

I am trying to write a protocol- or storyboard-alike document in which
the paragraphs are indented and a name is put before the paragraphs
(like a bulletin list with a text-field instead of the bullet.) I tried
several ways to make this work without using cumbersome tables...

Actually I'd want indentions to be remembered across linebreaks. 
and - would hop over the division borders forth and back.
That would be easiest to use...

...Is there another way? At the moment I use tabs and push every new
line to proper position. But changing the text means reformating it :(

regards,
-
Dennis Heuer
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Gilles]

Regina Henschel wrote
> Or in case the scan is too ugly, you have to read the scan and enter the
> coordinates as data in the table. From the image I guess, that five points
> are sufficient. You need an XY-chart, because otherwise the years 
> are not at the ticks but between the ticks.
> 
> Generate the chart in Calc. Uncheck the option to use "Source Format" in
> the Numbers tab of the axis properties dialog. That makes it easier to
> copy the chart to Writer.

Thank you.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Brian Barker]

At 12:14 15/08/2017 +0200, Wiebe van der Worp wrote:
Please also be aware of the fact that data itself is not 
copyrighted. In other words, copying data to Calc and use it to 
create a graph and an accompanying table should never be a problem - 
if my memory serves me well.


This may be true in the USA (is it?), but a few seconds of web 
searching shows this certainly not to be so in all jurisdictions. 
(The text on the original chart was in French and the original 
enquirer wrote from a French e-mail address.)


Brian Barker 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Wiebe van der Worp]

On 15-08-17 09:34, Mike Scott wrote:
>> Gilles schrieb:

>>> I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this
>>> one:
>>>
>>> 

> Can I also point out that LO isn't necessarily the correct tool? I've
> lately discovered the joys of gnuplot -- more flexible than LO, and an
> image created by it could of course be imported into an LO document.
And since it supports SVG, it can be post edited by Inkscape before
inserting it as razor sharp image (set term svg, set output
"yourfile.svg, before plot")

> As others have pointed out, beware copyright of the data.

Please also be aware of the fact that data itself is not copyrighted. In
other words, copying data to Calc and use it to create a graph and an
accompanying table should never be a problem - if my memory serves me well.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Tim Lungstrom]

On 08/14/2017 08:49 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 08/14/2017 12:16 AM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:

Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That, again,
dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE 16.04LTS.  I
have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.

I use a bootable System Rescue USB pen drive and run fdisk to change the
bootable partition.
The ASUS laptop has more trouble allowing USB booting than it does to 
get the CD/DVD drive to boot.


This laptop is the only one that has this constant problem and needs 
specific arrangement of partition types to get it working.  I think it 
may be both the laptop BIOS and the 1 TB drive.  The laptop I use for 
emailing is the next largest drive - 500 GB, and does not give me little 
issues in this department.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Mike Scott]

On 14/08/17 16:15, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

Gilles schrieb:

Hello

I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this 
one:




Is there a simple way in LO to do this, ideally without using maths 
(unless

it's a no-brainer)?



You mean, that you do not have the underlying data?

In that case, you can use the scan directly.

Or in case the scan is too ugly, you have to read the scan and enter the 
coordinates as data in the table. From the image I guess, that five 
points are sufficient. You need an XY-chart, because otherwise the years 
are not at the ticks but between the ticks.


Generate the chart in Calc. Uncheck the option to use "Source Format" in 
the Numbers tab of the axis properties dialog. That makes it easier to 
copy the chart to Writer.


Yes, you can redraw the graph, but you might learn a little bit about 
making a chart.


Kind regards
Regina



Can I also point out that LO isn't necessarily the correct tool? I've 
lately discovered the joys of gnuplot -- more flexible than LO, and an 
image created by it could of course be imported into an LO document.


As others have pointed out, beware copyright of the data.


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