[libreoffice-users] Re: Bug Issue

[Joe Conner]

I was able to construct a document that consistently produces the bug. 
My report is at the link below:


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Merry Christmas.

Blessings, Joe


On 12/24/2017 09:07 AM, Joe Conner wrote:

Maybe next time I will do a better job of following my instincts.

The issue was: I have a spreadsheet wherein I track income and 
expenses, like a checkbook register. Each month I create a new sheet 
and link the first line of the new to the last line of the previous 
month. With the software upgrade it started picking up an extraneous 
deposit. It did this on the prior sheet, not the new sheet. The bug is 
that adding a new blank sheet should change nothing on an already used 
sheet.


While trying to create a new sample spreadsheet to do a bug report 
with I lost a critical document and can no longer experience the 
issue. I while researching i resisted a mental urging to backup the 
intermediate buggy document and managed to lose the bug. :-( .


I will watch for a possible reoccurence. If I have it I will do a 
better job of trapping an example for the bug report. Without a 
working example I am not sure if I should report a bug.


Has anyone else experienced this?

I use Ubuntu 17.10 64bit and LibreOffice 5.4.4.2. I had not seen this 
on any prior LibreOffice.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fixing 5.0 appearance

[Girvin Herr]

On 12/23/2017 05:54 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:


On 12/23/2017 01:25 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

Even better if the day ever comes when we can have styles list undocked
from the sidebar, in the same way as Navigator.

Dave


Sort of like the way it was *before* the UI was improved.

A suggestion to developers:

I would be very slow to change a program's user interface. End users
learn a given interface and, over time, become very proficient with it
(I think back to my DOS days when I could make PC-Write sing and dance
with those Wordstar Ctrl-Key combinations). Then, someone comes along
and decides to improve the UI by moving everything around (including
moving the "Ctrl" away from its original position next to the "A" key).
Several years ago, MS did this when it introduced its Ribbon, which
forced end users to relearn their UI, which also meant *unlearning* many
of the methods by which they had previously grown very productive. I
think this is one reason Emacs and Vim are so popular with their
respective users; the interface remains consistent over the years.

One reason I like LibreOffice is because its developers seem to have
been very slow to make unnecessary changes to the UI. For that, I offer
a hearty thank you.

That said, I think the sidebar was at least incomplete in its
implementation, with no ability for the user to select the particular
sidebar he wanted as default (i.e., styles vs. properties.) I will
welcome a fix when it comes.

I seem to remember seeing the sidebar first on Apache OpenOffice and
thinking, "This is one reason I prefer LO." Then, on my next LO upgrade,
I saw the sidebar and was bummed. Did LO copy the sidebar from AOO, or
was it the other way around.

Virgil


Virgil,
Your posting brought back a faint memory of that sidebar. I squashed it 
long ago when it was first introduced and haven't seen it since. I had 
to bring up AOO and check for it. You can squash it with the little icon 
on the left margin of the sidebar. There are < and > icons that expand 
or squash the sidebar respectively. Yes, when squashed there is still a 
bit of wasted main window on the right side for these icons, but that is 
the sacrifice for options.

HTH.
Girvin Herr

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Focus issues on Linux

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:38:32 -0800
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

Thanks for all the comments. 

First, to restate my problem: I use Xfce4 on Xubuntu 14.04. I use the
window button panel applet so that when I start a program its icon
appears in the panel. I can minimize any such window by clicking on its
icon in the panel, and restore by clicking again on the icon. When the
window is restored it automatically gets focus. This behavior works for
all windows except LO document windows when I have a floating toolbar
for that window. Note that the problem only happens for LO document
windows; if I start LO with the main LO window the main window takes
focus when restored, as it should. Of course, the main window has no
floating toolbars. I have proved beyond any doubt that having floating
toolbars causes the problem.

It was suggested that I try 'focus follows mouse,' so I tried it. This
made my problem worse, because then no window got focus when restored
until I moved the mouse over it. Here is a query from the Xfce forums
that explains why this does not work for me:

Hi there!  I'm using Xfce 4.10.1 on Ubuntu 14.04, and I'm
having a hard time with its focus behavior.
I want to enable "focus follows mouse" in the window manager
settings, but when I do this, windows no longer receive focus
when I bring them up via the tasklist.  For example, when I'm
browsing in Chrome and want to bring up Emacs, I click on Emacs
in the tasklist on xfce's panel. Emacs's window comes to the
front, and I expect to be able to start typing right away, but
Chrome still has the focus.  I have to move my cursor off of
the tasklist and onto Emacs, before I can type anything.
I want focus to follow my mouse, but also want it to
automatically focus on a window that just raised itself to the
top (until I move the mouse again).  Is there a way to do
this?  I tried changing settings in the "Focus" tab of
xfwm4-settings-tweaks, but it did no good. [note: 'tasklist' =
'window buttons.']

Apparently, if you use 'focus follows mouse' there is no way to make a
restored window take focus automatically, as the above poster
discovered in the ensuing discussion.

I tried docking my floating toolbars, and that worked! If I restore a
document window with docked toolbars the window automatically gets
focus. Yay! Well, not so fast. I normally need the Formatting toolbar
(customized) and the Styles and Formatting toolbar. I can dock both of
them, but docking my Formatting toolbar to either side causes all of
the drop-downs to disappear, e.g., the style and font lists. But when
the Styles and Formatting toolbar is docked it still provides the list
of styles, so I don't know why the drop-downs on the formatting
toolbar go away - they are no wider than the style list. And I
discovered that I could remove things from the sidebar that I do not
want (Gallery, Navigator and Properties), but when I close the document
and re-open it the unwanted options reappear. Now, if I could just add
the Formatting toolbar to the sidebar and have it display the
drop-downs as well as the buttons I could live with a docked sidebar,
but alas, at this time you cannot add a toolbar to the sidebar. :(

Unrelated side comment: LO 5.4.3.2 added fonts that I don't want and a
whole bunch of templates. I was able to uninstall the fonts, but the
user cannot delete the templates. It also added dozens of styles that I
don't want, and they cannot be deleted either. You can hide styles, but
as soon as you close and re-open the document or even the styles and
formatting toolbar they are back.

On the LO website there was an announcement that you could get the
development version (in alpha development still - LibreOfficeDev 6.1)
and it would change the toolbars to a tabbed interface. I screwed up my
courage and installed it, and it was even worse than 5.4.3.2 - still
cannot add anything to the sidebar or permanently delete stuff that you
don't want. And the tabs can only appear at the top of the document,
just where I don't want them. Fortunately it installed itself alongside
5.4.3.2, so I can just ignore it.

So here I sit, LO is sort of working, but no focus or appearance
problems are solved, and it is doubtful that they can be solved, at
least not for some time.

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[libreoffice-users] Bug Issue

[Joe Conner]

Maybe next time I will do a better job of following my instincts.

The issue was: I have a spreadsheet wherein I track income and expenses, 
like a checkbook register. Each month I create a new sheet and link the 
first line of the new to the last line of the previous month. With the 
software upgrade it started picking up an extraneous deposit. It did 
this on the prior sheet, not the new sheet. The bug is that adding a new 
blank sheet should change nothing on an already used sheet.


While trying to create a new sample spreadsheet to do a bug report with 
I lost a critical document and can no longer experience the issue. I 
while researching i resisted a mental urging to backup the intermediate 
buggy document and managed to lose the bug. :-( .


I will watch for a possible reoccurence. If I have it I will do a better 
job of trapping an example for the bug report. Without a working example 
I am not sure if I should report a bug.


Has anyone else experienced this?

I use Ubuntu 17.10 64bit and LibreOffice 5.4.4.2. I had not seen this on 
any prior LibreOffice.


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Blessings, Joe Conner
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Why are the people who answer users' questions are not getting counted?

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Hi, Sophie,

(better late than never)

Le 11/12/2017 à 10:09, Sophie a écrit :


@all, so to be positive, what could be and should be the way to count
people giving support on all the users' mailing lists in the project?
Nabble could give some help and I'll see with Mike if it's possible to
integrate it to his badge system. Would there be other ways or other
area that seems to be not supported?



I'm often wondering what this badge/reward thing is all about. Who cares 
? My contribution to mailing lists is not meant for any reward at all. 
If a user wants to say "thanks", so be it, that's all. Second, I'm more 
often than once asking myself for help here and there. I'm glad to get 
answers and to say thanks (even though I happen to forget...), so 
answering to others is just a return from the help I've got before.


Again, this badging thing is beyond me. I see no need for TDF to lose 
time and energy in this area.


YMMV

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Focus issues on Linux

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

Tim-L wrote:

On 12/23/2017 03:12 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:



On 12/23/2017 11:38 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote:



On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 10:59:12 -0800
Girvin Herr  dijo:


At this point I should also add that there has long been a bug with
floating toolbars on all Linux installations that I know of - that
is, if you have a toolbar floating it defeats the normal focus
actions of the Linux X-windows GUI. An example would make this more
clear. Let us suppose that I have only one Writer document window
open on the screen. While working on it I discover that I need to
use another program, e.g., Firefox, so I switch to a Firefox window,
leaving the Writer document on the screen. The Firefox window will
come up on top of the Writer document, as it should, but when I
later minimize the Firefox window I see the Writer document is now
completely visible again, but focus has not been restored to it. And
that means that clicking on its icon in the Xfce panel will not
minimize it until I click on the window to restore its focus. Also,
when I later restore a Writer document window quite often the
floating formatting toolbar fails to appear. I can go into View >
Toolbars and I see that it is still checked, but to get it back I
have to un-check it, then re-check it. And when I restore a document
to the screen by clicking on it in the Xfce panel it comes up on the
screen, but again without focus. I wish there was a hotkey to open
the Formatting toolbar, like F11 for the Styles toolbar, but I can't
find one. I tried to create one, but I failed.

I have lived with this bug since forever, with all versions on OO and
now LO. I was hoping that this would have finally been fixed in the
new LO 5.4, but it remains unchanged. And a few years ago I asked on
one of these lists and after much discussion I tracked the problem
down to my floating toolbars, that is, if none of my floating
toolbars are on the screen the document window takes focus as it
should, like all other application windows. Also, the problem is
specific to each individual document window, e.g., as I write this I
have three Writer documents open, I closed the floating toolbars on
one of them and that window then took focus properly, but I left the
toolbars on the other two documents and they still did not take
focus properly.

I, too, use xfce4 and this window focus problem might not be an LO
issue. I use several other apps and have experienced this frustrating
focus problem with them too. I usually don't notice it until after I
type some text and discover the text is not showing up in the window I
expected. It would be an interesting datapoint if someone in this
forum who uses KDE or another Linux desktop would confirm or deny they
experience it with those desktops.

That is very interesting. I have hundreds and hundreds of applications
installed, as I do a lot of writing and desktop publishing, as well as
working with video and multimedia. LO is the only app where the focus
problem happens for me, although it does sometimes happen on web
pages, but that is surely a problem with the html code written by the
site developer. The browser itself has no problem when restored after
being minimized. I also have two computers, a laptop and a desktop,
both with Xubuntu 14.04, and I have the same focus problem on both of
them.

Yes, it would be very interesting to hear from other Linux users. We
might need to take this to another venue if the problem is not related
to LO. I originally researched this and discovered the connection
between the focus problem and floating toolbars at least a couple years
ago and I no longer remember where I asked - surely one of the OO or LO
listservs, and possibly the Ubuntu and/or Xfce forums.

I should also add that I don't believe that I ever filed a bug report.

For the record, I am using Slackware 14.2 Linux (k4.4.88) and xfce 
4.12 on an AMD dual-core Athlon 8GB RAM desktop workstation. The other 
apps I have seen this behavior on are gschem, an electronic 
engineering schematic capture program, and LibreCAD. Both of these 
programs switch window focus at odd, but seemingly consistent, times, 
like after a command is executed it will switch to a related un-docked 
window, where I will have to switch back to the main window to 
continue my work. Annoying. I have not used LO in the manner of this 
thread, so I cannot comment on the focus problem in LO.
I have never filed a bug-report on it anywhere either, probably 
because it is not fatal, just annoying.

HTH.
Girvin Herr


I am trying to follow this thread, but you may be using "window focus" a 
little differently than I do.


To be honest, I follow what you are saying and I believe that I never 
seen what you are describing under Ubuntu with MATE desktop.  I am 
running Ubuntu MATE 16.04.  Has any of you tried the MATE desktop to see 
if you get this same "focus problem"?


I currently us a laptop with dual core Intel B950 with its Intel's HD 
graphics. plus 4 GB 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Focus issues on Linux

[Virgil Arrington]

On 12/23/2017 05:59 PM, Tim-L wrote:

> I am trying to follow this thread, but you may be using "window focus" 
> a little differently than I do.
>
> To be honest, I follow what you are saying and I believe that I never 
> seen what you are describing under Ubuntu with MATE desktop.  I am 
> running Ubuntu MATE 16.04.  Has any of you tried the MATE desktop to 
> see if you get this same "focus problem"?
>

I just tried this with two different Linux and LO combinations and got 
the following results.

1. Puppy Tahr Linux and LO 5.3.3.2. I opened a document in Writer and 
then floated a toolbar onto the document. I then opened Puppy's browser, 
Pale Moon. What was interesting is that the LO toolbar remained on top 
of the browser. When I minimized the browser, my LO document came right 
back into focus without a hitch. With my Puppy Linux, an LO floating 
toolbar remains on top of anything else I happen to open, including this 
email that I'm typing using Sylpheed 3.4.3. But, LO always returns in 
focus when I minimize another window.

2. Linux Mint 18 Sarah with Cinnamon desktop environment and LO 5.1.6.2. 
I opened a document in Writer and floated a toolbar onto the document. I 
then opened Mozilla Firefox. The floating LO toolbar did NOT remain on 
top of the browser as it did in Puppy. When I minimized Firefox, LO 
popped back up in focus without any misbehavior.

Virgil

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