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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

2018-02-01 Thread Steve Edmonds 
Also to add to Virgil's explanation is what happens when copy/pasting 
text with the same style name or a new style name.


If you copy text from a document with style named "Default Style" into 
your working document, the text will inherit the attributes of the 
settings for Default Style in your working document. This can sometimes 
cause unexpected outcomes. If you want to preserve the attributes of the 
copied text, give the copied text a unique style name before copying it.


When you copy text from another document with a style that you don't 
have in your working document, that new style will be added to your 
working document. If you don't want to accumulate a whole bunch of new 
styles with lots of copy/paste;
set the style of the text you want to copy to a style you already have 
in your working document before copy or,
paste as unformatted text and the pasted text will inherit the style of 
the text at the insertion point.


Steve

On 02/02/18 09:59, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Ian,

I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I
tell you something you already know.

I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other
styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph.

LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will
share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style.

Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my
style hierarchy looks something like this:

Default Style
      BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above
the paragraph)
          BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space
above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas)
          BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and
an indented first line)
      Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with
spacing above and below the paragraph)

Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from
the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For
example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins
from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default
Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that
change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It
will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that
level.

Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double
spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from
single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change
*will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which
share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the
line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I
set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself.

The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph
style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that
it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those
paragraphs.

When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly.
Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing
formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar.
That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the
style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you
want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any
changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles
that share the same attribute that is being changed.

If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting
peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then
I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and
clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of
your formatting controlled at the style level.

I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain.

Virgil




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

2018-02-01 Thread Virgil Arrington 
Ian,

I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I 
tell you something you already know.

I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other 
styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph.

LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will 
share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style.

Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my 
style hierarchy looks something like this:

Default Style
     BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above 
the paragraph)
         BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space 
above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas)
         BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and 
an indented first line)
     Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with 
spacing above and below the paragraph)

Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from 
the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For 
example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins 
from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default 
Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that 
change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It 
will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that 
level.

Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double 
spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from 
single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change 
*will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which 
share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the 
line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I 
set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself.

The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph 
style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that 
it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those 
paragraphs.

When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly. 
Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing 
formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar. 
That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the 
style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you 
want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any 
changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles 
that share the same attribute that is being changed.

If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting 
peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then 
I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and 
clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of 
your formatting controlled at the style level.

I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain.

Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

2018-02-01 Thread Steve Edmonds 

Hi.
If you select all text (the whole document) and menu Format>Clear direct 
formatting (Ctl M), lots may change visually, does the document then 
behave as you might expect styles to behave. I do this as a matter of 
course to get MS docs into odts that I can style properly.

steve

On 01/02/18 22:59, Ianseeks wrote:

On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks :


Hi

If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font
size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the
new settings when  is pressed?  Currently I have to highlight the
areas and then reapply the style to it.


They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to
the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a
document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips
attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else.

I 've just done a few more tests after reading your comments.  All the tests i've done 
are using the "Default Style".
I went back to the Windows 10 version and I changed the font to something 
radically different to what i really wanted and it did change a lot of the 
document with that style but not all of it.  I think i missed it before because 
the paragraph that i had on the screen didn;t change but when i changed it to a 
weird font it scrolled the text up the screen a few lines so i could the text 
below it and see a change. So i changed the font back to something sensible and 
it worked but it did not change the font size at all, it was stuck at 14pt even 
though i changed it to 12pt.
I've discovered that if i change the font/size in "default style", it affects other parts 
of the document that has "text body" style applied.
Its the same on version 6 on linux.


Regards,
Ricardo




regards

Ian
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[libreoffice-users] Size of tar-file of 6.0.0

2018-02-01 Thread H. Stoellinger 

Hello guys,
What is the reason why the tar-file for 6.0.0 is 204 MB, while 5.4.4 is 
267MB in the case of Linux-debs...

Just interested!
Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

2018-02-01 Thread Ianseeks 
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> 2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks :
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font
> > size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the
> > new settings when  is pressed?  Currently I have to highlight the
> > areas and then reapply the style to it.
> >
> 
> They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to
> the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a
> document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips
> attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else.
I 've just done a few more tests after reading your comments.  All the tests 
i've done are using the "Default Style".
I went back to the Windows 10 version and I changed the font to something 
radically different to what i really wanted and it did change a lot of the 
document with that style but not all of it.  I think i missed it before because 
the paragraph that i had on the screen didn;t change but when i changed it to a 
weird font it scrolled the text up the screen a few lines so i could the text 
below it and see a change. So i changed the font back to something sensible and 
it worked but it did not change the font size at all, it was stuck at 14pt even 
though i changed it to 12pt. 
I've discovered that if i change the font/size in "default style", it affects 
other parts of the document that has "text body" style applied.
Its the same on version 6 on linux.

> Regards,
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Ian
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

2018-02-01 Thread Ianseeks 
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> 2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks :
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font
> > size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the
> > new settings when  is pressed?  Currently I have to highlight the
> > areas and then reapply the style to it.
> >
> 
> They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to
> the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a
> document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips
> attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else.

thanks.  Its a document created on windows 10, so i'll bring it over to my 
system and see if its the same on linux.  Is there a usual site used by 
libreoffice devs to get hold samples that i can upload to?

> Regards,
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Ian
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