Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT Top/Bottom posting] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken

2011-05-31 Thread Lindsay Graham

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Subject: 	Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT Top/Bottom posting] Re: Sun Weblog 
Publisher broken

Date:   Tue, 31 May 2011 09:04:19 -0400
From:   Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
To: users@libreoffice.org



On 2011-05-31 8:50 AM, Earl Melton wrote:
  
I don't know about [developers], but it sure wastes the hey out of 
[my] time. When you've read ten or more messages with the same

subject line, you've got a fair idea what the next reply is about.
Read the poster's comment, then scroll -- if necessary -- to read
context, rather than scrolling for endless screens just to find the
latest comment. Just my two one-hundredths oif a Federal Reserve
Note's worth...



Please stop with the same old tired false premise/FUD...

*No* *one* (in their right mind) advocates *untrimmed* bottom/inline
posting, which, I *agree*, is the *only* thing that is worse than
blindly top-posting. *Properly* *trimmed*, you generally don't have to
scroll *at* *all*.

Regardless of which method you engage in, you should *always* trim your
quoted text to only the relevant portion.

  
This is getting to be a pretty tiresome thread, and it is obvious that 
the main protagonists are never going to change their views, no matter 
how right or wrong they are.


However, you've hit the nail on the head, tanstaafl.  Maybe no one 
*advocates* untrimmed bottom posting, but many people do it, and it is 
extremely counter-productive in so many ways.  Notwithstanding all your 
emphases above, the fact is that *very* *few* people, particularly those 
writing in non-newsgroup environments but also many many newsgroup 
posters, do any trimming, let alone the 'proper trimming' to which you 
refer.  That is one, just one, of the reasons why most people top-post 
and will continue to do so.  I get so sick of being forced to page down 
to see the latest text that, unless it is a subject in which I am 
particularly interested, I will often delete the message unread if the 
latest contribution is not visible on the first screen page.


This message is bottom-posted only because the last one was.

Lindsay Graham
Canberra, Australia 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] OT Top/Bottom posting

2011-05-31 Thread Lindsay Graham

On 1 Jun 2011 at 00:09, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2011-05-31 11:20 AM, Lindsay Graham wrote:
  

I get so sick of being forced to page down to see the latest text that,
unless it is a subject in which I am particularly interested, I will
often delete the message unread if the latest contribution is not
visible on the first screen page.



As do I... if someone is incapable of properly using their mail client,
I'm probably not interested in anything they have to say, especially for
computer related lists...

That said, I do allow a lot more leeway on non-technical lists...

  
Ah, but neither of us would *ever *need to page down to see the current 
post if we both top-posted.


You cannot claim, in a general context, that there is there is a 
*proper* way of using one's mail client.  The way in which it is used 
will depend on the particular environment and the guidelines, if any, 
that have been developed for use in that environment.  It is only in 
some, generally technical, newsgroups that bottom posting is specified 
as preferred (which is different from *proper*).  In most mailing lists 
(and I access libreoffice-users through a mailing list, not a newsgroup) 
and almost *all *commercial correspondence, top-posting is used.  Why?  
Because, it is the most suitable in those environments.  On the other 
hand, I agree that bottom-posting is suitable in a well-disciplined 
technical newsgroup -- but how many are well-disciplined (ie, follow 
newsgroup netiquette)?  Not many.


Lindsay Graham


 


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