Re: [libreoffice-users] Best JRE for LibreOffice on a 64-bit system: 32 or 64 bit ?
Maybe this can help you i use Libreoffice and have installed the next JRE's; JRE 1.6.u30 x86 JRE 1.6u30 x64 JRE 1.7u2 x86 JRE 1.7u2 x64 libreoffice ofrcourse only uses the x86 versions ... and only the 1.6... IE 64bit uses the x64 jre FFox uses the x86 jre since it's 32 bit all other 64 bit apps use 1.7 x64 all other 32 bit apps use 1.7 x86 it depends on the application which jre is used... it has to be compatible with it's bit-code... Met vriendelijke groeten, Michael Bogaerts Zaakvoerder ~ F1/Help PC-Herstellingen -- E-Mail (Privé): i...@bogy.be mailto:i...@bogy.be *Problemen* met de *PC?* Mail dan naar: *Info@F1Help*.be mailto:i...@f1help.be?Subject=F1_Computerprobleem Informatie-website: http://F1Help.be (/F1/Help PC-Herstellingen/) Persoonlijke BLOG-site: http://dcnet.be/praten (/BoGy's Visie op het Leven/) De bij ons als Fabian Rodriguez geidentificeerde tegenpartij wist exact op 11/01/2012 15:17 uur het volgende uit de vingers te tokkelen: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This may sound obvious but I am not certain of the answer and wanted to double-check here. When installting LibreOffice for Windows for use on a 64-bit system, is it best to install the 32-bit or the 64-bit JRE ? Thanks for any information on this. Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8NmgIACgkQfUcTXFrypNXLWQCgr2fZ1P3jMWEkqx6s7/MM8Cid /z4An3qMCIyyKSDUSd9jjQbg032PVhIc =GQ17 -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Alle inkomende en uitgaande mail van mail.bogy.be wordt gescand op spyware, spam enzomeer. Indien u toch problemen via deze mailserver zou ondervinden, stuur dan de originele mail door naar i...@bogy.be All incoming and outgoing mail from mail.bogy.be is scanned against spyware, spam, etc. If you would have any inconvenience from our services then do not hesitate to send the original mail to i...@bogy.be Serverconfig: A64 3700+, 1.5GB Ram, +1 TB HD, WXP Pro, Mercury/32. De inhoud van deze mail is enkel bestemd voor de ontvanger; indien u deze mail verkeerdelijk hebt ontvangen, gelieve de verzender hiervan op de hoogte te brengen en de inhoud niet verder te verspreiden. The contents of this mail is solely intended for the individual whom it is addressed. If you received this mail in error, then please inform the sender and do not spread the contents of this mail any further. __ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base can't open databases
I will just try with uninstalling base from LibO, and then installing OO.O's Base I have indeed got the tickboxes and don't get any 'java not found' error's ... I think this could work just as i hope it would... I'll keep you guys infmored on the matter! Met vriendelijke groeten, Michael Bogaerts Informatie-website: http://F1Help.be (/F1/Help PC-Herstellingen/) Persoonlijke BLOG-site: http://dcnet.be/praten (/BoGy's Visie op het Leven/) De bij ons als Tom Davies geidentificeerde tegenpartij wist exact op 15/12/2011 23:53 uur het volgende uit de vingers te tokkelen: Hi :) In Tools - Options - Java It should list all the versions of java that are installed on your system but only 1 of them should be selected. Are there radio buttons on the left-hand side. I think that just above the box is a tick-box so that you can choose not to use java at all. If you do something that needs java a pop-up error message typically pops up to grumble about not being able to find java. However if the database opens easily in OpenOffice and doesn't open well in LibreOffice then using OpenOffice's Base makes a lot of sense. It's difficult to install and run OpenOffice alongside LibreOffice, or to run 2 versions of LibreOffice alongside each other but this guide might help http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel Good luck and regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 15/12/11, MiguelAngelmari...@miguelangel.mobi wrote: From: MiguelAngelmari...@miguelangel.mobi Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Base can't open databases To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 15 December, 2011, 21:20 El 15/12/11 21:28, Michael Bogaerts escribió: I think that java isn't starting ... for some reason LO doesn't load java; and thus it's DB driver isn't loaded either? (i say this because normally i get a small java icon in my systray whenever java is loaded and this isn't happening anymore) Also; when i go to options - java; it takes like 8-10 seconds before the java screen responds ... and then it lists both versions of java 1.6u29 ... (i've got 1.6 1.7 installed, both x86 and x64). I have the 32 bit version selected though, as i know that LibO is a 32bit app and won't talk with the 64bit java ... I think i'll just install OO.O 's base to open my ODB files for the time being... Met vriendelijke groeten, Michael Bogaerts Zaakvoerder ~ F1/Help PC-Herstellingen -- E-Mail (Privé): i...@bogy.bemailto:i...@bogy.be *Problemen* met de *PC?* Mail dan naar: *Info@F1Help*.be mailto:i...@f1help.be?Subject=F1_Computerprobleem Informatie-website: http://F1Help.be (/F1/Help PC-Herstellingen/) Persoonlijke BLOG-site: http://dcnet.be/praten (/BoGy's Visie op het Leven/) De bij ons als Mark Stanton geidentificeerde tegenpartij wist exact op 15/12/2011 9:59 uur het volgende uit de vingers te tokkelen: Hi Alex, Hmm, I wouldn't say cut down, it is actually rather good, I understand that it *is* good. As I understand it the cut-down-ness contributes to the good-ness, or at least that was part of the design goal. Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... __ Alle inkomende en uitgaande mail van mail.bogy.be wordt gescand op spyware, spam enzomeer. Indien u toch problemen via deze mailserver zou ondervinden, stuur dan de originele mail door naar i...@bogy.be All incoming and outgoing mail from mail.bogy.be is scanned against spyware, spam, etc. If you would have any inconvenience from our services then do not hesitate to send the original mail to i...@bogy.be Serverconfig: A64 3700+, 1.5GB Ram, +1 TB HD, WXP Pro, Mercury/32. De inhoud van deze mail is enkel bestemd voor de ontvanger; indien u deze mail verkeerdelijk hebt ontvangen, gelieve de verzender hiervan op de hoogte te brengen en de inhoud niet verder te verspreiden. The contents of this mail is solely intended for the individual whom it is addressed. If you received this mail in error, then please inform the sender and do not spread the contents of this mail any further. __ You need select a 1.6_29 32 bits, Libo doesn't with Java 64 or Java 1.7 Miguel Ángel. __ Alle inkomende en uitgaande mail van mail.bogy.be wordt gescand op spyware, spam enzomeer. Indien u toch problemen via deze mailserver zou ondervinden, stuur dan de originele mail door naar i...@bogy.be All incoming and outgoing mail from mail.bogy.be is scanned against spyware, spam, etc. If you would have any inconvenience from our services then do not hesitate to send the original mail to i...@bogy.be Serverconfig: A64 3700+, 1.5GB Ram, +1 TB HD, WXP Pro, Mercury/32. De inhoud van deze mail is enkel bestemd voor
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base can't open databases
Anyways IT WORKS!!! i can open my ODB files in BASE on OO.O and can still use all the other Applications in libO I hope that LibO's BASE get's fixed in an upcoming release, so i can remove OO.O again and stay fully focused on LibO. Im just glad i can open my databases again without having to struggle with errors here and there... Met vriendelijke groeten, Michael Bogaerts Zaakvoerder ~ F1/Help PC-Herstellingen De bij ons als Alex Thurgood geidentificeerde tegenpartij wist exact op 16/12/2011 14:23 uur het volgende uit de vingers te tokkelen: Le 16/12/2011 14:00, Michael Bogaerts a écrit : Hi Michael, I will just try with uninstalling base from LibO, and then installing OO.O's Base Be warned that if you do that, you may find that Base and Calc will crash on you as soon as you activate any functions linked to database operations (addressbook, dataranges, mailmerge, etc). Alex __ Alle inkomende en uitgaande mail van mail.bogy.be wordt gescand op spyware, spam enzomeer. Indien u toch problemen via deze mailserver zou ondervinden, stuur dan de originele mail door naar i...@bogy.be All incoming and outgoing mail from mail.bogy.be is scanned against spyware, spam, etc. If you would have any inconvenience from our services then do not hesitate to send the original mail to i...@bogy.be Serverconfig: A64 3700+, 1.5GB Ram, +1 TB HD, WXP Pro, Mercury/32. De inhoud van deze mail is enkel bestemd voor de ontvanger; indien u deze mail verkeerdelijk hebt ontvangen, gelieve de verzender hiervan op de hoogte te brengen en de inhoud niet verder te verspreiden. The contents of this mail is solely intended for the individual whom it is addressed. If you received this mail in error, then please inform the sender and do not spread the contents of this mail any further. __ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base can't open databases
Hello Cor, This is how i started the topic and what the issue is all about; Being my first post to this mailing list i immediately take the opportunity to try and fix my biggest issue with LO; I can't seem to open my database file; i get an error message which i can't get rid of although i've been trying whatever that looked sane to do ... This is the situation; In the past i used MS Office (up to 2007, then i changed); and i have used MS Access to create some, rather simple, databases where i have data stored in tables. Before moving to LibOffice i used to use OpenOffice; until a few months ago... so i used it until version 3.3 and i was able to open all my database files. I wasn't even using the original MDB files anymore; i saved my files to the odb format because that was what openoffice would like me to do and i also preferred to use the ODF file format. Now; since i noticed that it really was taking very very long for oracle to get some work done on OO.O, i decided to start working with LibOffice. I removed OO.O first and then I installed LibOffice 3.4.4 (the latest release). Since that day i can't open my database files anymore; i can't read the original MDB files, nor can i open my odf files... well, i can open the odf files, but as soon as i open a table i get an errormessage. (it's dutch though, so i'll translate it for you guys later on). Maybe i'll first start with telling you what system i have and how it's configured; (note; i have this problem as wel on my notebook as on my desktop system; both are kinda the same when speaking about installed software... both generate the same error; both had no problem with OO.O) Softspecs; Windows 7 Professional SP1 Java 7u1 X64 + X86 - LibO can't use java7 Java 6u29 x64 + x86 - LibO is set to use the X86 version LibO is installed with ALL extra's and options except for the pocketpc and palm device extra's. I have NO other office-software installed on either device (laptop or desktop) The error i get on both machine when i try to access the table in my odf file is this (i'll start with the original first and then translate it);/ De verbinding met gegevensbron 'main' kon niet tot stand worden gebracht. De verbinding met de externe gegevensbron kan niet tot stand worden gebracht omdat er geen SDBC-stuurprogramma voor de opgegeven URL beschikbaar is./ English version; /The connection with the datasource 'main' couldn't be made. The connection with the external datasource can't be made because there's no SDBC-driver available for the given URL./ The thing is though; i have made special 'links' to the SDBC files in the options - java - classpath which link to the correct directories even files (hsqldb.jar / sdbc_hsqldb.jar / Liboffice\basis\program\classes) but i guess it doesn't work. Also; i have the idea that java doesn't get loaded by LibOffice. Met vriendelijke groeten, Michael Bogaerts De bij ons als Cor Nouws geidentificeerde tegenpartij wist exact op 16/12/2011 14:41 uur het volgende uit de vingers te tokkelen: Hi Michael, Good to read that it works for you now ... Michael Bogaerts wrote (16-12-11 14:28) I hope that LibO's BASE get's fixed in an upcoming release, so i can remove OO.O again and stay fully focused on LibO. I have not followed this thread, but can you please tell me if there is an issue describing your problem? There have been fixed quite some Base bugs recently, and it would be good indeed to nail this one down too. thanks vr. groeten, __ Alle inkomende en uitgaande mail van mail.bogy.be wordt gescand op spyware, spam enzomeer. Indien u toch problemen via deze mailserver zou ondervinden, stuur dan de originele mail door naar i...@bogy.be All incoming and outgoing mail from mail.bogy.be is scanned against spyware, spam, etc. If you would have any inconvenience from our services then do not hesitate to send the original mail to i...@bogy.be Serverconfig: A64 3700+, 1.5GB Ram, +1 TB HD, WXP Pro, Mercury/32. De inhoud van deze mail is enkel bestemd voor de ontvanger; indien u deze mail verkeerdelijk hebt ontvangen, gelieve de verzender hiervan op de hoogte te brengen en de inhoud niet verder te verspreiden. The contents of this mail is solely intended for the individual whom it is addressed. If you received this mail in error, then please inform the sender and do not spread the contents of this mail any further. __ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base can't open databases
I think that java isn't starting ... for some reason LO doesn't load java; and thus it's DB driver isn't loaded either? (i say this because normally i get a small java icon in my systray whenever java is loaded and this isn't happening anymore) Also; when i go to options - java; it takes like 8-10 seconds before the java screen responds ... and then it lists both versions of java 1.6u29 ... (i've got 1.6 1.7 installed, both x86 and x64). I have the 32 bit version selected though, as i know that LibO is a 32bit app and won't talk with the 64bit java ... I think i'll just install OO.O 's base to open my ODB files for the time being... Met vriendelijke groeten, Michael Bogaerts Zaakvoerder ~ F1/Help PC-Herstellingen -- E-Mail (Privé): i...@bogy.be mailto:i...@bogy.be *Problemen* met de *PC?* Mail dan naar: *Info@F1Help*.be mailto:i...@f1help.be?Subject=F1_Computerprobleem Informatie-website: http://F1Help.be (/F1/Help PC-Herstellingen/) Persoonlijke BLOG-site: http://dcnet.be/praten (/BoGy's Visie op het Leven/) De bij ons als Mark Stanton geidentificeerde tegenpartij wist exact op 15/12/2011 9:59 uur het volgende uit de vingers te tokkelen: Hi Alex, Hmm, I wouldn't say cut down, it is actually rather good, I understand that it *is* good. As I understand it the cut-down-ness contributes to the good-ness, or at least that was part of the design goal. Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... __ Alle inkomende en uitgaande mail van mail.bogy.be wordt gescand op spyware, spam enzomeer. Indien u toch problemen via deze mailserver zou ondervinden, stuur dan de originele mail door naar i...@bogy.be All incoming and outgoing mail from mail.bogy.be is scanned against spyware, spam, etc. If you would have any inconvenience from our services then do not hesitate to send the original mail to i...@bogy.be Serverconfig: A64 3700+, 1.5GB Ram, +1 TB HD, WXP Pro, Mercury/32. De inhoud van deze mail is enkel bestemd voor de ontvanger; indien u deze mail verkeerdelijk hebt ontvangen, gelieve de verzender hiervan op de hoogte te brengen en de inhoud niet verder te verspreiden. The contents of this mail is solely intended for the individual whom it is addressed. If you received this mail in error, then please inform the sender and do not spread the contents of this mail any further. __ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Base can't open databases
Hello;Being my first post to this mailing list i immediately take the opportunity to try and fix my biggest issue with LO; I can't seem to open my database file; i get an error message which i can't get rid of although i've been trying whatever that looked sane to do ...This is the situation;In the past i used MS Office (up to 2007, then i changed); and i have used MS Access to create some, rather simple, databases where i have data stored in tables.Before moving to LibOffice i used to use OpenOffice; until a few months ago... so i used it until version 3.3 and i was able to open all my database files.I wasn't even using the original MDB files anymore; i saved my files to the odb format because that was what openoffice would like me to do and i also preferred to use the ODF file format.Now; since i noticed that it really was taking very very long for oracle to get some work done on OO.O, i decided to start working with LibOffice.I removed OO.O first and then I installed LibOffice 3.4.4 (the latest release).Since that day i can't open my database files anymore; i can't read the original MDB files, nor can i open my odf files... well, i can open the odf files, but as soon as i open a table i get an errormessage. (it's dutch though, so i'll translate it for you guys later on).Maybe i'll first start with telling you what system i have and how it's configured;(note; i have this problem as wel on my notebook as on my desktop system; both are kinda the same when speaking about installed software... both generate the same error; both had no problem with OO.O)Softspecs; Windows 7 Professional SP1Java 7u1 X64 + X86 -LibO can't use java7Java 6u29 x64 + x86 -LibO is set to use the X86 versionLibO is installed with ALL extra's and options except for the pocketpc and palm device extra's.I have NO other office-software installed on either device (laptop or desktop)The error i get on both machine when i try to access the table in my odf file is this (i'll start with the original first and then translate it);De verbinding met gegevensbron 'main' kon niet tot stand worden gebracht.De verbinding met de externe gegevensbron kan niet tot stand worden gebracht omdat er geen SDBC-stuurprogramma voor de opgegeven URL beschikbaar is.English version;The connection with the datasource 'main' couldn't be made.The connection with the external datasource can't be made because there's no SDBC-driver available for the given URL.The thing is though; i have made special 'links' to the SDBC files in the options -java -classpath which link to the correct directorieseven files (hsqldb.jar / sdbc_hsqldb.jar / Liboffice\basis\program\classes) but i guess it doesn't work. Also; i have the idea that java doesn't get loaded by LibOffice.Now please; help me if you can... what should i do; except turning back to openoffice 3.3... since that's really the very last thing i'd like to do (not that i don't trust it... but their development is so slow)Or should i consider LibOf 3.4 as 'unstable' and revert to 3.3.4 ? that is maybe an option i could consider...now shoot me with your info's :)--Met vriendelijke groeten,Michael Bogaerts Alle inkomende en uitgaande mail van mail.bogy.be wordt gescand op spyware,spam enzomeer. Indien u toch problemen via deze mailserver zou ondervinden,stuur dan de originele mail door naari...@bogy.be.all incoming and outgoing mail from mail.bogy.be is scanned against spyware,spam, etc. If you would have any inconvenience from our services thendo not hesitate to send the original mail toi...@bogy.be.Serverconfig: A64 3700+, 1.5GB Ram, +1 TB HD, WXP Pro, Mercury/32.De inhoud van deze mail is enkel bestemd voor de ontvanger; indien udeze mail verkeerdelijk hebt ontvangen, gelieve de verzender hiervanop de hoogte te brengen en de inhoud niet verder te verspreiden.The contents of this mail is solely intended for the individual whom itis addressed. If you received this mail in error, then please inform thesender and do not spread the contents of this mail any further. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base can't open databases
Hey Alex, Thanks for the info.. But since i'm using CALC in a production enviroment i don't want to go 'trying' with beta releases ... I could though use a VM and see if it works there ... Also; i thought that the tables were converted to ODF; but clearly they're not when i read your comments... Is there a way to fully convert an MDB to ODF without keeping 'links'??? because actually that's what i wanted to do in the first place... If i need an older version to do that, no problem; i'll temporarily install OO.O or so in a VM and do it with that, so that in my production enviroment i'm permanently freed of this MS dictatorship... Thanks again for all your good help! Met vriendelijke groeten, Michael Bogaerts De bij ons als Alex Thurgood geidentificeerde tegenpartij wist exact op 14/12/2011 10:39 uur het volgende uit de vingers te tokkelen: Le 14/12/2011 09:31, Michael Bogaerts a écrit : Hi Michael, with LibOffice.I removed OO.O first and then I installed LibOffice 3.4.4 (the latest release).Since that day i can't open my database files anymore; i can't read the original MDB files, nor can i open my odf files... well, i can open the odf files, but as soon as i open a table i get an errormessage. (it's dutch though, so i'll translate it for you MDB file access, in fact the ADO, Access2003, Access2007, accdb file access was all broken in the 3.4.x versions up to and including 3.4.4. Several fixes were entered into the master code branch for the upcoming 3.5 release, which appear to have solved this problem (still not perfect, but at least it now works - well in the tests I managed to do anyway). You may want to test with a beta release of 3.5 to see if you work with those files again. I don't know whether the fixes are going to be integrated into a 3.4.5 version. Alex __ Alle inkomende en uitgaande mail van mail.bogy.be wordt gescand op spyware, spam enzomeer. Indien u toch problemen via deze mailserver zou ondervinden, stuur dan de originele mail door naar i...@bogy.be All incoming and outgoing mail from mail.bogy.be is scanned against spyware, spam, etc. If you would have any inconvenience from our services then do not hesitate to send the original mail to i...@bogy.be Serverconfig: A64 3700+, 1.5GB Ram, +1 TB HD, WXP Pro, Mercury/32. De inhoud van deze mail is enkel bestemd voor de ontvanger; indien u deze mail verkeerdelijk hebt ontvangen, gelieve de verzender hiervan op de hoogte te brengen en de inhoud niet verder te verspreiden. The contents of this mail is solely intended for the individual whom it is addressed. If you received this mail in error, then please inform the sender and do not spread the contents of this mail any further. __ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base can't open databases
You are learning me here something ... So odb files aren't real database files or what??? Met vriendelijke groeten, Michael Bogaerts De bij ons als Mark Stanton geidentificeerde tegenpartij wist exact op 14/12/2011 14:44 uur het volgende uit de vingers te tokkelen: It's hard to think of a situation that would truly benefit from the data being in an odb. Specific database engines manipulate their own data much better than... Almost anything. You can do by extracting the data from your current database and putting it into HSQL. I believe Base does actually store that data in the .odb file. Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... __ Alle inkomende en uitgaande mail van mail.bogy.be wordt gescand op spyware, spam enzomeer. Indien u toch problemen via deze mailserver zou ondervinden, stuur dan de originele mail door naar i...@bogy.be All incoming and outgoing mail from mail.bogy.be is scanned against spyware, spam, etc. If you would have any inconvenience from our services then do not hesitate to send the original mail to i...@bogy.be Serverconfig: A64 3700+, 1.5GB Ram, +1 TB HD, WXP Pro, Mercury/32. De inhoud van deze mail is enkel bestemd voor de ontvanger; indien u deze mail verkeerdelijk hebt ontvangen, gelieve de verzender hiervan op de hoogte te brengen en de inhoud niet verder te verspreiden. The contents of this mail is solely intended for the individual whom it is addressed. If you received this mail in error, then please inform the sender and do not spread the contents of this mail any further. __ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
