Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
That is really unfortunate. In Windows/DOS, we have problems with unrecognizable characters, and characters that are part of the formatting, but not so much the difficulties you are talking about--although at least one program (the old Ashton-Tate solution known as Framework) DID have quite a mess of confusing characters in it, and scattered throughout in some sort of order, so I'm not sure if this is the same thing you mean. It is really frustrating to realize that if you had written everything by hand, you might be better off than with a computer that stores your informationI picked up some of my old grad school notes (1970's), and they were quite readable--because they were typed and annotated on PAPER. This is something that has to be fixed for the future. That's why I said that it's important that there be a single standard, and that the various regulatory authorities demand that it be so (think if we had multiple voltages and amperages, and frequencies in our electrical systems, and if DC current was used by some, AC by others--in the same country...the preservation of data is at least as important.). On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:35 AM, laurent alonso laurent.alo...@inria.frwrote: Hello Steven, Le 26 nov. 2012 à 19:43, Steven Bradley a écrit : I totally agree with all this--but in a pinch, as everyone I'm sure knows, one can open a document (most of them at least), and go back and decode it with a text processor like Notepad or Notepad++; come to think of it, I'm actually surprised that Sourceforge doesn't offer a converter for all those old documents--not to mention all the documents written on Apple II's, etc. All of us have them. I have many documents written in Wordstar, Wordperfect, and so on. As I am trying to do something similar on Sourceforge, for many archaic mac classic documents (you can look for libmwaw ) , this is not so simple : - maybe 1/3 of formats, that I see, do not store the text continuously but by blocks in order to be more efficient : for instance, they can cut the text in block which have between 128 and 256 characters and then stores block 3, block 1, block 2. Thus when you add some characters, they only need to update a small block (and sometimes split a block of 256 in two blocks ) : this includes Word v3-5, FullWrite, MacWritePro... This also means that if you read the file continuously you will read many junk part of the files which contains not relevant text. - I have 3 formats which compress text data before storing them on the disk : this includes MacWrite, MindWrite, HanMac Word ( a format which I am studying actually, ...) ; FullWrite also stores a space character with the ascii code 0 (which means that notepad will not retrieve any space characters ) - after on Mac Classic, you can have as many fonts as you want and each can have a different encoding ; this means that you must at least retrieve the fonts name, if you want to retrieve the good character ( this also means that as I found/code only a subset of the fonts encoding, I can only retrieve roman text ). -- Amicalement, Laurent. -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real Estate, Lic. #00869762 619-316-8781 Direct 619-442-8833 XT 119 Office See my websites: Real Estate and Finance http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com Relationship with God: http://truevoiceofthefather.blogspot.com/ http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com/ The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. - Samuel Johnson -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
I sure hope so. I haven't got much faith, since every company strives to keep customers, and the best way to do that (they think) is to have a file format that others can't read or easily convert. However, every company also recognizes the need for interoperability, so there are limits. My frustration with the present system is boundless. It's an idea that's often repeated in the business world--who ever heard of standard car parts? Or standard prescription drugs? or... (fill in the blanks). It's much better to promote competition by being the best, and challenging the world to beat you at your own game. I thought that might be what Apple was doing with the iPad, until they sued Samsung for infringement. It's sort of like a competition in which everyone keeps changing the way the judges judge, or moving the goal, or altering the rules slightly so that you can't play. Steve Bradley On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) MS keeps claiming that is what their new format is all about. They claimed it with Rtf which they no longer develop which fits their pattern for gradually dropping completely and they are claiming it again with their DocX and all. Given that ODF 1.0 and 1.1 still open in LO, AOO and all the rest it looks like ODF might achieve the promise, especially given that contents written in Xml can be opened and read. Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Steven Bradley stevencbrad...@gmail.com *To:* laurent alonso laurent.alo...@inria.fr; LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 19:24 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice That is really unfortunate. In Windows/DOS, we have problems with unrecognizable characters, and characters that are part of the formatting, but not so much the difficulties you are talking about--although at least one program (the old Ashton-Tate solution known as Framework) DID have quite a mess of confusing characters in it, and scattered throughout in some sort of order, so I'm not sure if this is the same thing you mean. It is really frustrating to realize that if you had written everything by hand, you might be better off than with a computer that stores your informationI picked up some of my old grad school notes (1970's), and they were quite readable--because they were typed and annotated on PAPER. This is something that has to be fixed for the future. That's why I said that it's important that there be a single standard, and that the various regulatory authorities demand that it be so (think if we had multiple voltages and amperages, and frequencies in our electrical systems, and if DC current was used by some, AC by others--in the same country...the preservation of data is at least as important.). On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:35 AM, laurent alonso laurent.alo...@inria.fr wrote: Hello Steven, Le 26 nov. 2012 à 19:43, Steven Bradley a écrit : I totally agree with all this--but in a pinch, as everyone I'm sure knows, one can open a document (most of them at least), and go back and decode it with a text processor like Notepad or Notepad++; come to think of it, I'm actually surprised that Sourceforge doesn't offer a converter for all those old documents--not to mention all the documents written on Apple II's, etc. All of us have them. I have many documents written in Wordstar, Wordperfect, and so on. As I am trying to do something similar on Sourceforge, for many archaic mac classic documents (you can look for libmwaw ) , this is not so simple : - maybe 1/3 of formats, that I see, do not store the text continuously but by blocks in order to be more efficient : for instance, they can cut the text in block which have between 128 and 256 characters and then stores block 3, block 1, block 2. Thus when you add some characters, they only need to update a small block (and sometimes split a block of 256 in two blocks ) : this includes Word v3-5, FullWrite, MacWritePro... This also means that if you read the file continuously you will read many junk part of the files which contains not relevant text. - I have 3 formats which compress text data before storing them on the disk : this includes MacWrite, MindWrite, HanMac Word ( a format which I am studying actually, ...) ; FullWrite also stores a space character with the ascii code 0 (which means that notepad will not retrieve any space characters ) - after on Mac Classic, you can have as many fonts as you want and each can have a different encoding ; this means that you must at least retrieve the fonts name, if you want to retrieve the good character ( this also means that as I found/code only a subset of the fonts encoding, I can only retrieve roman text ). -- Amicalement, Laurent
Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
I totally agree with all this--but in a pinch, as everyone I'm sure knows, one can open a document (most of them at least), and go back and decode it with a text processor like Notepad or Notepad++; come to think of it, I'm actually surprised that Sourceforge doesn't offer a converter for all those old documents--not to mention all the documents written on Apple II's, etc. All of us have them. I have many documents written in Wordstar, Wordperfect, and so on. There IS a Wordstar converter (google it), but I don't know how it works on the early versions--I had version 3.3, and it works fine for me. I STILL think that the way to go is to separate text and formatting, rather than embedding it, if that's possible. It might not be possible with Calc and other similar documents. Also, and not to be forgotten, is Google Drive; Drive has never failed to upload and convert any of my Word documents, although I admit I've not gone below Word 2000 in my attempts. I don't think I have any Word 97 docs to try, since I was still using a combination of Word for Windows 3.1 and Wordperfect (I loved Wordperfect, but it was rapidly being eaten by the MS behemoth). I also used a program called askSam (pretty much defunct now, and pretty primitive), which was a textually-oriented database; that has given me the most satisfaction, since the newest version gives me a choice of export to a number of common formats, and will import most Word versions, and also html--however, it's been pretty much supplanted by the Google products, since one can search any text across documents. I think that some of my greatest challenges are going to come from the documents I put together in Publisher and similar programs over the years, not thinking I'd want them again--but of course I do. I am still thinking, Text Processor with external formats added on top for retrievability/interoperability. I can't imagine what these issues must be like for a corporation with terabytes of data, or a government with similar quantities of data. I have megabytes, but my problems are small compared to say, Germany. --Steve Bradley On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Arachaic formats (ie old formats that are almost never used nowadays but may have been popular once) might be something that Extensions could be used to deal with. We might not want legacy code retained in the main code to read ancient formats that 'no-one' uses anymore but it might be nice to be able to add-on an Extension to read old love letters and such. Also formats that kept the same name but went through many changes. So that one Extension might help people read Doc formats prior to the 1997 version and another reads the 97 one. That might be something to help our poor devs deal with the 3 different DocX formats now in use. One to read DocXs from MSO 2007, another for the 2010 and the 3rd for MSO 365. At the moment it would probably be best to have the 2010 one by default but if that could easily be swapped-out and replaced by the 365 one in a couple of years then we might retain a way of being able to read all of them. I think such Extensions would need to be released on OpenSource licenses either BSD type licenses that need to attribute previous artists/authors/coders or GPL type ones that don't acknowledge previous coders. Then when the Extensions become outdated it might still be possible for people to update them so they work in whichever future version of LO we are on by that time. Regards from Tom :) From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 23:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice On 11/25/2012 05:27 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success There are some interesting stats that are very well presented in there and it's worth using to spread the word of how LibreOffice works. For me one of the key things that no article seems to mention is that while many hefty companies are vanishing seemingly overnight it seems somewhat dangerous to rely on just one. It would be like not making back-ups of critical information!! If we can bear to think of LO and AOO as being similar enough that users can migrate from one to the other fairly easily and thus as being 2 prioducts supported by 1 community then that community is massive. Taken as being 1 product it is so robust that even if 1 or 2 companoes the size of IBM or Google (or RedHat or SUSE) were to simply vanish overnight then there would still be a good product out there. By sticking with MS people are risking everything they have by being so heavily dependant on just
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have many documents that are difficult for me to retrieve, and I wrote them less than 20 years ago, using DOS programs. I can only imagine what things will be like in 30 years for those old files. I believe it's of paramount importance, even in this age of rapid development and change, to realize that electronic storage of documents is the wave of the future. They must all be stored in a simple-to-access format that any program can read, not just the latest flavor of the big boy. I am actually fairly concerned about this, since the concept of proprietary file types has never been addressed by any government agency (it would be easy, for example, for the USGovt to mandate that all files be maintained with the formatting in a separate file. If a large govt (China, the US, EU) mandated that simple change, then all files would cease to be proprietary, except for formatting changes. One might lose the formats, but the file itself would have a permanence that most files do not now have. I might also suggest that the file formatting be subject to some sort of regulation (yes, they CAN do that!), which makes all formatting retrievable, no matter how long it's been since the file was created. Otherwise, we'll all lose a huge amount of information. That's my opinion. YMMV Steve Bradley On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: The docx, xslx, pptx formats and others are OOXML. There are deviations as well as features (such as encryption) that are not part of OOXML. But most of the non-support claims about Microsoft honoring OOXML are based on the fact that early implementations supported the transitional flavor of OOXML. The move to the strict flavor, a separation created in the ISO process, has been made over time along with continuing support of transitional OOXML. My experience is that deviations with respect to the OOXML standard are documented better in Microsoft on-line implementation notes than is done by any implementations of ODF-based software. Microsoft Office also supports ODF 1.1 since Office 2007 SP2 and ODF 1.2 is supported in the new Office 2013. There are public, on-line implementation notes and documentation of deviations for those too. I've also heard that European versions of Microsoft Office can be set to have ODF as the default format. I have no way to confirm that and I am not certain that is new with Office 2013 or is also the case for Office 2010. The main binary formats, and RTF (a text-carried format) are now all documented and that has been true for a few years. All of the specifications are freely downloadable. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Don C. Myers [mailto:donmy...@myersfarm.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 08:57 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? Hi Everyone, When the Microsoft formats were approved as an ISO standard, wasn't that supposed to make the information on their formats available to everyone else? From what I've read through the years, they have failed to implement their own ISO standards. Shouldn't there be some way to enforce the ISO standards approval on Microsoft so they can become inter-operable with LibreOffice? Don On 11/19/2012 08:03 AM, VA wrote: Tanstaafl wrote: There is one more hing that could turn this around - if the EU (or some other major governmental entity) were to engage in and win an antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft and force them to *fully* document their file formats, as happened with their Windows Server SMB protocols (which I understand has benefited the Samba project immensely). It would help immensely if the Open Source folks would combine their efforts on one excellent MS alternative. The twin development of AOO and LibO (with each having its own advantages over the other), only helps MS. Virgil -- ** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
I think my point, apparently not clear, was that governments themselves would say, We will only *use* software that meets these criteria. I don't support governments mandating file types, or intervening in my private business. However, they are by far the biggest elephant in the room, and if, for example, the USGovt would say, Folks, we love your software, but we will only buy it if it produces file types that are compatible with the following then MSO and others would do that, because they need sales as much as the next company. And about the govt being involved in the computer world, and the internet...anybody remember DARPA?? And DARPAnet?? Steve On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.plwrote: On 19/11/2012 at 15:52, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I think there's a difference between standards as declared by computer developers and societies and standards determined by the marketplace. I believe that lawyers call them de facto standard and... we would really like this to be standard, so do us a favor, please - standard. It's hard to call ODF de jure standard, really. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real Estate, Lic. #00869762 619-316-8781 Direct 619-442-8833 XT 119 Office See my websites: Real Estate and Finance http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com Relationship with God: http://truevoiceofthefather.blogspot.com/ http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com/ The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. - Samuel Johnson -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Wow! I didn't mean to cause such a firestorm of discussionbut isn't it good?? and isn't this why there IS open source software?? So that we can create, and eventually have our creations exist and be read by the next generation?? File formats are the new paper. It's important that no one company or person own the formula for paper. SteveB. On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:04 PM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: VA wrote: Nobody is forced to purchase MS products. Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available, they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to see how they forced market share with illegal and near illegal methods, including extortion. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real Estate, Lic. #00869762 619-316-8781 Direct 619-442-8833 XT 119 Office See my websites: Real Estate and Finance http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com Relationship with God: http://truevoiceofthefather.blogspot.com/ http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com/ The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. - Samuel Johnson -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Downloading the new LO
I had the same problem. Once you have a friendly soul tell you, it's fine. But until then, nothing seems to work right. I'm using Win7/XP. On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Ian Whitfield whitfi...@telkomsa.netwrote: Thanks Dries, Tom and Marc You were all right in what you said... * I WAS looking for the Windows version for a friend (I'm using Linux) * I WAS fooled by the Button that is not a Button!! IMHO this is a very bad way of doing things. In computer UIs these days something that looks like a Button is accepted as such and you just click on it!! I would recommend a change here ASAP!! Regarding looking in my PCLinux Repos for the latest version of LO - I'm afraid they are very slow to put these up which forces you to run a version or two behind. I have however found a couple of times that the 'normal' .rpm files DO work OK so thought I should try this again. Will give it a go later in the week. I managed to download a .msi file yesterday for LO for Windows which, it says, is the new replacement for .exe . Ummm - we will see I guess. Anyway guys thanks for the help. IanW Pretoria RSA -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real Estate, Lic. #00869762 619-316-8781 Direct 619-442-8833 XT 119 Office See my websites: Real Estate and Finance http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com Relationship with God: http://truevoiceofthefather.blogspot.com/ http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com/ The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. - Samuel Johnson -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: e: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart
Good idea. Google Docs (dare I mention the name??) has a similar thing, access via a specific keystroke, and on its menus. Very convenient. Don't know if it's printable. Steve On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:20 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I do not use many keyboard shortcuts, and have not for years. I got out of the habit back in the XP days. There are other things, besides shortcuts, that can be included in a cheat sheet. A graphic or chart showing where all of the needed options are in the toolbars/menus, could be useful. Showing how to do the different types of PDF exporting. Showing all of the types of import filters, like Corel Draw and Visio, could be useful. I know that there could be a lot of things a cheat sheet could include, keyboard short cuts are just one part. On 11/14/2012 04:03 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: I like that idea charles. I remember the Wordperfect sheet and even shor tcuts you stuck on the top of the keyboard. I have not used word past 6.0 for dos, so for me it would be useful for me to explain to someone using word what I am doing in LO. steve On 2012-11-15 09:17, charles meyer wrote: There are still many Word 2003 users as 2007 did not offer many spectacular advances (especially for the price so many businesses, educational and nonprofit orgs, gov't, etc. did not upgrade to the ribbons. I found the ribbons at work not to be a problem as others did but there are plenty of 2003 Word users who still will not be upgrade into 2010, 2013, etc. because many have found it's diminishing returns. It costs a lot of time (training, classes, tutorials, trial and error) and money (training, money lost while being trained) to re-learn Word with each upgrade and the returns have been found by many to be minimal in comparison to the costs. Here's my bold proposal, s'il vous plaît? How about if we (end users) on this list all contribute our shortcuts we've learned transitioning from Word (2003, 2007) to Libre Office? We could create on our own a chart with column headings ... Ex. FunctionLibre WriterWord 2003Word 2007 Set default font?xx much like WordPerfect did many years ago where you can look at the chart for a function (e.g. changing the default font for all documents created) and next to that have the method used in Libre Writer and next to that the method the method used in Word 2003 and next that Word 2007. Along the way we can all contribute to each of those columns what we have learned. Many Word and WordPerfect users I speak with won't use Libre Writer because of the learning curve. They already spent a lot of time (and often aggravation) leaning Word 2003, 2007 and/or the latest WP development their attitude is - Oh, no! Not another one! But, if they could get up to speed quickly with a cheat sheet with at least the most often used features/functions of a word processor like Libre Writer then they would be more apt to use it and more likely not feel they have to buy another Word version. There was a time when users were afraid of Open Source software. Early versions may have been too complicated, too many bugs or they would hear of the apocryphal (often unfounded) tales of the horrors of Open Source software. That's no longer true. Users learned over time the world would not end if they didn't use Internet Explorer to browse the web - that Firefox and Opera actually worked just fine and attracted less badware. They they tried Thunderbird, pdf995 and Audacity and lo and behold they not only worked well and easier their friends and family still loved them...as much as they ever did or could. So, as users became more educated about Open Source software they realized they could use it, it wouldn't make their heads explode and they enjoyed pocketing all their savings. They also learned there were some great forums on the net where you could reach out to other users and they would share their workable solutions. So, what do you say?! Shall we start on that chart and slowly but surely fill it in along the way and educate others about how Libre Writer can be their wordoprocessor of choice? Or we could just eat dark chocolate. It's all good. Charles. Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:33:25 -0500 To: users@global.libreoffice.org WE do need to have some document comparing MSO [2003, 2007, 2010, and 2013] with LibreOffice as part of a Marketing Tool. We need to be able to show our users that what they are using MSO for, they can use LO to do the same. There are many advantages in using LO instead of MSO, besides the price of the software, and we need to have some official list/document from LO/TDF that describes these advantages. YES - I would like to see a
Re: e: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart
Actually, Jay, I have found the transitions from MSOffice normally quite easy, both with LO and OO; it may be that I automate so few things, and I certainly would appreciate a cheat sheet, but it's not a deal killer for me personally. Sometimes I think people TELL you they don't want to change because it's difficult, but the real reason is something else--corporate environment, etc. I've become addicted to open source software (Scribus, Gimp...) because it works, it's easy to get the new releases, and for the most part, it's very satisfactory. There will always be a few aficionados who want things just like Word, etc., but I doubt they will ever change. Steve Bradley On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/14/2012 04:03 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: I like that idea charles. I remember the Wordperfect sheet and even shor tcuts you stuck on the top of the keyboard. I have not used word past 6.0 for dos, so for me it would be useful for me to explain to someone using word what I am doing in LO. steve +1 Like Steve I rarely use Word so I do not specifically remember MSO layout. On 2012-11-15 09:17, charles meyer wrote: There are still many Word 2003 users as 2007 did not offer many spectacular advances (especially for the price so many businesses, educational and nonprofit orgs, gov't, etc. did not upgrade to the ribbons. I found the ribbons at work not to be a problem as others did but there are plenty of 2003 Word users who still will not be upgrade into 2010, 2013, etc. because many have found it's diminishing returns. It costs a lot of time (training, classes, tutorials, trial and error) and money (training, money lost while being trained) to re-learn Word with each upgrade and the returns have been found by many to be minimal in comparison to the costs. Here's my bold proposal, s'il vous plaît? How about if we (end users) on this list all contribute our shortcuts we've learned transitioning from Word (2003, 2007) to Libre Office? We could create on our own a chart with column headings ... Ex. FunctionLibre WriterWord 2003Word 2007 Set default font?xx much like WordPerfect did many years ago where you can look at the chart for a function (e.g. changing the default font for all documents created) and next to that have the method used in Libre Writer and next to that the method the method used in Word 2003 and next that Word 2007. Along the way we can all contribute to each of those columns what we have learned. Many Word and WordPerfect users I speak with won't use Libre Writer because of the learning curve. They already spent a lot of time (and often aggravation) leaning Word 2003, 2007 and/or the latest WP development their attitude is - Oh, no! Not another one! But, if they could get up to speed quickly with a cheat sheet with at least the most often used features/functions of a word processor like Libre Writer then they would be more apt to use it and more likely not feel they have to buy another Word version. There was a time when users were afraid of Open Source software. Early versions may have been too complicated, too many bugs or they would hear of the apocryphal (often unfounded) tales of the horrors of Open Source software. That's no longer true. Users learned over time the world would not end if they didn't use Internet Explorer to browse the web - that Firefox and Opera actually worked just fine and attracted less badware. They they tried Thunderbird, pdf995 and Audacity and lo and behold they not only worked well and easier their friends and family still loved them...as much as they ever did or could. So, as users became more educated about Open Source software they realized they could use it, it wouldn't make their heads explode and they enjoyed pocketing all their savings. They also learned there were some great forums on the net where you could reach out to other users and they would share their workable solutions. So, what do you say?! Shall we start on that chart and slowly but surely fill it in along the way and educate others about how Libre Writer can be their wordoprocessor of choice? Or we could just eat dark chocolate. It's all good. Charles. Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:33:25 -0500 To: users@global.libreoffice.org WE do need to have some document comparing MSO [2003, 2007, 2010, and 2013] with LibreOffice as part of a Marketing Tool. We need to be able to show our users that what they are using MSO for, they can use LO to do the same. There are many advantages in using LO instead of MSO, besides the price of the software, and we need to have some official list/document from LO/TDF that describes these advantages. YES - I would like to see a
Fwd: [libreoffice-users] LO 3.n crashes on copy and paste
Yes, this happens in lots of programs. I had almost forgotten that it happens--I had to do the fix a long time ago, and now automatically use the fix. Other possible problem software in this regard (trying to remember now) Scribus Gimp Google Docs (?) Steve Bradley On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:12 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed this to be the case for quite a while - not just in LO ;-( There's only one way I know to get around this quirk - rather than 'copy image', 'save' image to the computer -- upload from there to the document -- return to the computer and delete the file ;-) On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Malcolm Moore st-malcolm.mo...@whsg.infowrote: Maybe I've done something terribly wrong but if our users do a Google search for a picture then copy and paste the image into LO it hangs. If there is a post I've missed about this can you point me to it please ... else the complete description follows Start a LO document Open FF or Chrome Search on a picture eg Cats Google them shows loads of pictures in a grid of biggish thumbnails which when you hover over get bigger Hover over a picture and Copy image Go to LO and Paste Picture will now appear in LO LO will now either run unbelievable slowly of hang completely If however when you have chosen the image in Google you click on it and go to the full size image you can cut and paste successfully. The method that hangs LO worked in Word and I am getting a lot of grief over this now we have shown Word the door . ! Ta M -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real Estate, Lic. #00869762 619-316-8781 Direct 619-442-8833 XT 119 Office See my websites: Real Estate and Finance http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com Relationship with God: http://truevoiceofthefather.blogspot.com/ http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com/ The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. - Samuel Johnson -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real Estate, Lic. #00869762 619-316-8781 Direct 619-442-8833 XT 119 Office See my websites: Real Estate and Finance http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com Relationship with God: http://truevoiceofthefather.blogspot.com/ http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com/ The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. - Samuel Johnson -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real Estate, Lic. #00869762 619-316-8781 Direct 619-442-8833 XT 119 Office See my websites: Real Estate and Finance http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com Relationship with God: http://truevoiceofthefather.blogspot.com/ http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com/ The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. - Samuel Johnson -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
