[libreoffice-users] Re: No indent in footnotes

2016-03-23 Thread Urmas

"anne-ology":


How can this be the fault of the USofA ???


In Europe, footnotes have the same indent as the text body, and their 
markers are superscripted.
It was LO behavior too, until some American changed it into the mess we have 
today.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: No indent in footnotes

2016-03-20 Thread Urmas

"Robin Hodkinson":


But when I insert a new indent there is no indent at all


That is another change which should bring footnotes to some obscure U$A 
standard. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: File->Exit LibreOffice doens't work in 5.1.1 on Windows

2016-03-10 Thread Urmas

"Dries Feys":


Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,


Please add "-- " (two hyphens and a space) in the beginning of your 
signature.

It is called "a tearline" and it makes your messages more easily to handle.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: How to import PDF file?

2015-12-29 Thread Urmas
"Spencer Graves":

> Is there a way to force LO to open it in Writer?

No. PDF documents are graphic files and cannot be easily converted to plain 
text.

> is there other software (preferably free and 
> open-source) that can read the text (and numbers) and make them 
> available to Writer or Calc

pdftotext from xpdf package is quite good.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: lost opportunity

2015-11-07 Thread Urmas
05.11.2015 23:19, Tom Davies:

> For some weird reason IE decided to
> rename the downloads from ".msi" to another format.

That 'weird reason' was the error in the default webserver configuration
which no one of LO people cared to fix.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: LinuxQuestions.org's Office Suite of the Year: LibreOffice!

2015-02-07 Thread Urmas

Valter Mura:


a version of Office
for Linux.  Can you please provide the link.

Still waiting for the link...


This version is called 'wine' and it's available in your repository or at 
www.winehq.org/download.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Help with Installation problem.

2015-02-06 Thread Urmas

James C Smith:


'Error 1402. Could not open key:HOT_KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE32\Software\Classes\

bmp\OpenWithProgIDs.

The actual issue is that LO has no business messing with this registry key 
at all.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: LinuxQuestions.org's Office Suite of the Year: LibreOffice!

2015-02-05 Thread Urmas

Robinson Tryon:


Grabbing over 86% of the vote, LibreOffice was announced to be the
winner of the 'Office Suite of the Year' poll:


Any poll without Microsoft Office option is invalid.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Split Screen in Writer?

2015-02-02 Thread Urmas

Florian Reisinger:


Could you give me the link to the enhancement request?


AOO 19291
DF 31481


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Split Screen in Writer?

2015-02-01 Thread Urmas

CVAlkan:


it used to be possible to
use a split screen to compare/edit/copy from one part of the same document


That was an enhancement request since 2001 :)
It will not be probably ever implemented as there are core design 
deficiencies in SO/OO.o/LO which are preventing this.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with Microsoft Access

2015-01-31 Thread Urmas

Alex Thurgood:


database programming with
freely accessible tools, rather than being locked in to one vendor.


Such as? Don't tell me fosstards have developed something as elegant as 
Access.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-30 Thread Urmas

Charles-H. Schulz:

 that either Windows  8.1 or some setting peculiar to some systems create 
a very bad

experience when installing software...


It is LO misconfigured Apache server which assigns 'application/x-troff-man' 
to MSI downloads is creating this experience. It worth noting that problem 
started occurring in 2012, and no one has fixed it so far.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Support options

2015-01-16 Thread Urmas

jonathon:


-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-


Please do not add massive amounts of useless text in your list messages.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: styles in text boxes

2015-01-13 Thread Urmas

Mike Scott:

I mentioned irritations in another post, so thought maybe I'll give
one explicitly, as I've bumped into it (afresh) this week.


Why are text styles not available to use within text boxes?


Draw textboxes have a combination of graphic style, text style for the 
entire frame and individual styles for each of the content paragraphs.


The user interface for Draw and Impress was for the last time touched in 
2000s though, I believe. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC StrComp and tricky Unicode (Turkish, for example)

2015-01-01 Thread Urmas

Andrew Douglas Pitonyak:

With a Turkish locale, I expect 
that the first compare will return a 0, but I am unsure how to test 


With a virtual machine? I could try it sometime tomorrow.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: default language

2014-12-13 Thread Urmas

Ceranda GmbH:


Even though I am currently based in Germany I wish to use the English
version;


Log in as Administrator, go to Control Panel, International settings and set 
the locale to English.
If you foolishly use an Administrator account for everyday work, just do the 
step 2.


Ignore idiots who ask you to download other version: they are exactly the 
same and the language is chosen during the install. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: why filled alignment for cells?

2014-12-06 Thread Urmas

Lera Goncharuk:


А horizontal alignment option for cells of Calc has choice 'filled'


This feature was used for making horizontal rulers in text mode spreadsheets 
and is kept for roundtrip compatibility. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-20 Thread Urmas

Cley Faye:


http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1415854_253892949


So, somehow arbitrary BASE64-encoded data are fine in ODF yet an obstacle in 
RTF?



http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1417966_253892949


It is not documented there: it says it can be an arbitrary string with no 
effect defined.



\cf0\kerning1\dbch\af6\langfe2052\dbch\af7\afs24\alang1081\loch\f4\fs24\lang1036


\cfNForeground color (default is 0). N specifies the color as an index 
of the color table.
\kerningNPoint size (in half-points) above which to kern character 
pairs. \kerning0 turns off kerning.

\dbchThe text consists of double-byte characters.
etc.


RTF was changed on numerous occasion in non-retrocompatible ways,


examples?


accross several MS tools (namely MS Word and Wordpad) you get
completely different results for the same file


Different features supported give different results. Yet Arial 10pt red will 
stay Arial 10pt red everywhere, so the format definitely works.



A RTF file is less human-readable than the content.xml file in an ODT


XML isn't more readable than RTF. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Urmas

Italo Vignoli:


RTF is not standard, and is not documented.


You have been linked the specs. Also, it *is* the standard for the document 
interchange since 1986.



the ODF standard, which should replace RTF and
every other document format to achieve interoperability.


So you claim that the bunch of complicated XML (!) files in a ZIP archive 
(!!) will replace the _plain text format_ which is RTF? That's typical 
freetard delusion.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Urmas

Andreas Säger:


Which non-MS
application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it?


The degree of support RTF in application is not related to the 'complexity' 
of RTF spec. It has to do with the feature set of particular app. Once 
again, if your app lacks half of the features MS Word had in its 2.0 
incarnation (LO 4.4 included), it is not caused by Microsoft in any way. 
Blame the laziness of its developers and the complete lack of experience in 
office field.


For example, KWord (aka Calligra) still does not support language tagging 
(the feature present in MSWord 2.0) after 15 years in development. Who is to 
blame here? 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Urmas

Tom Davies:


The Rtf spec kept changing at any whim of MS's.  They wouldn't publish the
new specs until month or even years later.


RTF spec is changed according to new product features. Also, it is 
extensible, so you can implement any subset you need being able to safely 
ignore the rest and following changes. It is not a problem.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Urmas

Cley Faye:

is in a straightforward XML file which is as plaintext as an RTF file. 
In fact,

it's easier to strip the extra tags out of an XML file


Sure. Now tell us what 
{urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns:office:1.0}binary-data element is 
for, and what kind of 'plaintext' it does contain.



heavily documented in case of
ODT, that put a clear separation between content and format


Really? And where, for example, this element is 'documented'?
{urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns:style:1.0}num-format




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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-18 Thread Urmas

Tom Davies:


I still think that Rtf is well worth avoiding if at all possible but sadly
a whole load of people fell for MS's marketing.  Even to this day there 
are

people who believe in using it, despite the findings of the court case.


Which court case? RTF is rather trivial format, providing compatibility 
between versions from 1986 till today. If LO does not support it, it is 
itself to blame, not Microsoft, 'monopolies' or denizens of Nibiru.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO Writer, how to insert horizontal line

2014-11-16 Thread Urmas

William Drago:


Well, there's no Horizontal Rule under insert.


Support for HR element was intentionally removed to create incompatibility 
with MS Office software.
Emulate it by the empty paragraph with the border and adjusted before/after 
spacing. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: customise character order for comparisons?

2014-11-13 Thread Urmas

Gary Collins:

I'm wondering if it is possible to define a custom order for characters 
when comparing strings.


It would be better to use some scripting language to do the sort and import 
the result in Calc, as it cannot be solved with LO unless a custom locale is 
written and compiled in it.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: problema con campo número de página

2014-11-05 Thread Urmas

Francisco Corredera:


instead of the corresponding numeric digit these fields appear,
the generic text or identifier field, but not the number.


Uncheck Options/LibreOffice Writer/View/Display: Field codes checkbox.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: ppt, appending file error ( korean user)

2014-11-02 Thread Urmas

Tom Davies:


I've copied the content out of the html coding...


Does not worth the effort. OP is one of the types who never replies back, so 
all correspondence from him can be safely redirected to the loony bucket.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: «Escape from Wicrosoft Word»

2014-10-27 Thread Urmas

M Henri Day:


Has Writer adopted too much of Word's _Weltanschauung_ ?...


Of course. Modern documents are consisting of hierarchic blocks, like every 
other modern data format, and there is simply no space for WP 'formatting 
codes' and other idiocies.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice forks

2014-10-17 Thread Urmas

Tom Davies:


Of course Star Office is still floating around somewhere but it doesn't
bear much resemblance to LibreOffice or even OpenOffice.


That's not true. Most of LO code is leftover from Staroffice days, including 
German variable names and comments.

Most of the functionality (and bugs) are identical between them too.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem importing xls files

2014-10-15 Thread Urmas

Harvey Nimmo:


I think you will find that a .slk file is a symbolic link file
(equivalent to the linux .lnk) so it won't open directly in Calc.


LOL wut? SYmbolic LinK is one of the oldest text data interchange formats.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem importing xls files

2014-10-15 Thread Urmas

Leonardo M. Ramé:


Looks like the attachments were removed, here are the files:
good.xls:


I hope those are fake names? 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: CANNOT INSTALL LIBRE OFFICE SUITES

2014-09-18 Thread Urmas

tjphipps:

i tried twice to download and install the newest libre suite. the download 
went perfectly both times but when i told my computer to install them i 
got the same error message both times.


Use Torrent to download the installer.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc, =left not working as expected

2014-08-31 Thread Urmas

IGraham:

Altering the original sheets as little as possible i used =LEFT(cell 
ref,1)

This seemed to work, except the values returned aren't seen by vlookup and
can not be summed (but can be added) and dont work in a graph


SUM function skips text values. Use =LEFT(x)+0 or something like that. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Nitpicking on a name

2014-07-28 Thread Urmas

A lout known as Charles-H. Schulz:


As for the feature parity with Word 2.0, we have obviously passed that

stage before OpenOffice.org 1.0;

And yet it was not until 4.3, not yet released BTW your suit got support for
paragraphs longer than 64k or tagging the text with a language.

and if it was so easy, if it is that easy, why don't you go start your own 
office suite and leave everyone else alone?


_You_'ve got 90% of your office suit for free from StarDivision (with German 
comments

included), and it is _you_ who cannot develop it properly.


What pleasure do you take out of insulting people?


It is you who are insulting people.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Nitpicking on a name

2014-07-27 Thread Urmas

Charles-H. Schulz:

On this list people call LibreOffice LO. We -sorry to take on my 
founder's hat here- never called LibreOffice LO.


Right, you have fixed all the bugs, got a functional parity with Microsoft 
Word 2.0, and have a chance to bitch about the acronym. Cheers. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Kerala Legislative Assembly has moved to Free Software and Libreoffice

2014-07-22 Thread Urmas

Jim Seymour:


How do you get embezzlement of funds out of a story about a government
body switching to open standards?


By buying new computers from the suppliers giving the best kickbacks and 
dumping the astronomic sums of money into 'open source implementation' 
subcontractors, ending up with stock Ubuntu with a changed wallpaper.
We've seen that times and times, in many 3rd-world countries with corrupted 
governments. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Kerala Legislative Assembly has moved to Free Software and Libreoffice

2014-07-22 Thread Urmas

Jim Seymour:


Nobody ever does that with commercial software,


Vendors of commercial software control their partners.

If there was nothing fishy we would have detailed reports, case studies and, 
which is more important, a comparison of costs of the chosen solution and 
competitors ones. Here? Totally opaque embezzling. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Kerala Legislative Assembly has moved to Free Software and Libreoffice

2014-07-21 Thread Urmas

Charles-H. Schulz:


The migration process is implimented with the support of  Zyxware
Technologies[2]


Another story of embezzling of funds veiled as 'free software migration.' 
But officially it was enthusiasts working 12/24 for food.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with standard filter

2014-07-19 Thread Urmas

Rob Jasper:

If I unselect ALL, aaa gets unselected too (reasonable, since that the 
gebaviour for more the one slection values too)

If I now select aaa, the ALL mark is also automatically selected!!
This looks plain wrong to me since no filtering is different then 
filtering on 1 value, since there are also empty fields.


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46062 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: ni podprto na drugih računalnikih/Not supported on other computers

2014-07-01 Thread Urmas

but a problem arises when I
want to send
through the program libre office writer a dadoteko via Gmail or
were any other options to write the addressee is not supported and can
not open


You need a MIME-compatible E-Mail client, like Microsoft Outlook or 
Thunderbird to use this feature.

There is a bug which prevents its usage with Windows Live Mail.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary

2014-05-22 Thread Urmas

Kracked_P_P---webmaster:

There are 797866 lines in the .dic file with the top one the number of 
words.


Due to the author's error, it is shipped unmunched. In the proper form it 
contains 476898 entries, probably even less if some wordforms are missing. 
That is close to 70% misrepresentation.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary

2014-05-21 Thread Urmas

Kracked_P_P---webmaster:

I might suggest he try the en_US dictionary that contains over 797 
thousand words in its list,


That dictionary contains just 476898 words actually.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Option to output the .ods underlying XML files auto formatted?

2014-05-18 Thread Urmas

Jiergir Ogoerg:

Is there any option in LibreOffice to make it generate _formatted_ 
underlying XML files?


The XML files by LO are consisting of one long line deliberately to hamper 
interoperation with a certain well-known competitor products. As a marketing 
decision, it is unlikely to change.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Excel import

2014-05-09 Thread Urmas

Ludo Beckers:


I don't know much about spreadsheets, but notice some differences:


It is expected, as Excel 2007+ format support is very incomplete. There is a 
small chance the results will be better importing Excel 2003 format. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing windows explorer extension only

2014-05-09 Thread Urmas

Chris Net46:

I would like to install the optional component windows explorer extension
on a Windows 2008 file server because I need to index open document
format files saved on this server.

I believe you can perform administrative installation, then copy the 
oofilt[_x64].dll to your own location and register it with regsvr32.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Request for review: (Re: Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)

2014-05-04 Thread Urmas

Sigrid Carrera:


those posts through, that do not insult anyone on the list.


Please quote me where I did insult anyone here. This is slander.

I don't think that there is much use in banning him from the mailing lists 
itself


You seem to forget yourself. I am contributing to this project and would 
like to be treated accordingly by outsiders. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Request for review: (Re: Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)

2014-05-03 Thread Urmas

Sigrid Carrera:

Who gave that idiot a permission to publish my personal E-mails in a public 
list? I never did, so please remove the last message 
(53653faf.8010...@gmail.com). 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!

2014-05-02 Thread Urmas

Tom Cloyd:

Since the last major update (ver. 4.2.1?), my day begins with a serious
of crashes - only after I save both sheets (separately, of course) 6-12
times, each time after some small operation, do they get stable.

You are supposed to use commercial software to do serious work. It is rather 
strange to complain about something made just-for-fun and given you for 
free.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Upgrade Problem on Windows

2014-04-29 Thread Urmas

James E Lang:

After I specified that LO be installed on volume D: the installer still 
requires 427MB on C:

Is there any way to avoid using C:?

You can relocate the Windows Installer folder (by creating a directory 
junction) and the temporary folder (by setting TEMP environental variable).


There are several tutorials available in the Internet.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE

2014-04-27 Thread Urmas

Toki:


What you are missing is that there are file layout differences between

the various editions of the same version of MSO.

All those differences are hierarchic. You can read all the files of earlier 
version and have a way to ignore unsupported elements from the higher 
version.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE

2014-04-26 Thread Urmas

James Knott:


 IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported

are the ancient StarOffice ones.

StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are 
an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE

2014-04-22 Thread Urmas
anne-ology 
  MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in

order to reap a higher profit-margin  ;-(

For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE.
Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE

2014-04-22 Thread Urmas

James Knott:


Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then.


It was called StarOffice back then.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Chrome OS - i.e. Samsung Chrome Book

2014-04-18 Thread Urmas

Cley Faye:

First alternative (easier): it is possible to install Ubuntu (or other
linux OS) on a chromebook.


So you propose to the person to turn her expensive device into brick by 
voiding its warranty? Seriously?





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,

2014-04-06 Thread Urmas

James Knott:


Gary Kildall, creator of CP/M later took MS to court and

proved that MS-DOS contained directly copied CP/M code.

Gary Kildall was a kind of man who believed that you can write something 
once and get dividends from it indefinitely.

That didn't work well.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,

2014-04-06 Thread Urmas

CVAlkan:

When WordPerfect 5.x arrived, there was even the ability to display a
graphic preview (almost WYSIWYG) display of the printed output on a normal
character screen - and this was available not only for DOS versions, but on
a wide variety of platforms such as the then popular DEC and DG terminals.

You are trying to defend a text processor which stores text in a proprietary 
encoding in the obscured format. Comparing to this, MS Word which used easy 
and open file format was a clear winner. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: --convert-to issue

2014-03-09 Thread Urmas

e-letter:

filenames with undesirable characters (e.g. m$
people adding spaces, strokes (/, \) etc.)

Spaces are not 'undesirable characters.' \ and / are both invalid filename 
characters in Windows.
All your contribution to this newsgroup is spreading FUD about Microsoft 
software.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...

2014-03-05 Thread Urmas

Jim Seymour:


 proprietary software


Irrelevant.


having the propensity to re-write existing documents into

formats incompatible with older versions [1];

Impossible.


gratuitously wildly divergent user interfaces


Document formats cannot have UI.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...

2014-03-04 Thread Urmas

Tom Davies:

Do you think ODF stands a chance with its incompatible changes between 1.0 
and 1.1, or formulas fiasco?
Or the lack of documentation and a heap of undocumented extensions AOO/LO 
uses?





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[libreoffice-users] Re: ASCII Filter Options - Help please!

2014-01-10 Thread Urmas

Jacob Marioni:

All of my ODT won't open properly.

Open them with Notepad. If they do not start with PK letters, it is 
corrupted. Use ZIP repair tools to try to fix them. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: spell checker

2013-12-28 Thread Urmas

Amanda Sloan:

I seem to have it on writer, does the same apply to drawing?

There are several bugs with language assignment in Calc and Draw. Try 
changing the language, saving the document, exiting the program completely, 
then reopening. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Pasting Foreign Language

2013-12-26 Thread Urmas

Jerry Rémy:

As you can see, every accented letter is replaced either with capitalized 
letters or some other symbol.


It can happen when you paste the text from a badly made PDF file; in that 
case there's no easy solution except search-and-replace. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: saving documents written in Thai

2013-12-14 Thread Urmas

Dale Erwin:

There are several Thai-capable fonts that come with Win 7.  One of them is 
Lucinda console.


Lucida Console does not contain Thai characters. Do not use a toolbar 
dropdown to set font; open Format/Character menu (or use styles) and set 
Latin and Thai fonts separately in 2 corresponding boxes there.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is there a risk eliminating table:number-rows-repeated attribute

2013-12-13 Thread Urmas

Maxime Bégnis:

The xslt remove any table:number-rows-repeated attributes.

So my question is:

By doing what I describe in this procedure is there a risk to break the
content of the file or to make the file not a valid ODS file?


There is no other way to represent empty rows in ODF tables except 
explicitly declaring N empty rows; so your idea won't work.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-01 Thread Urmas

Tom Davies:

...Rtf never achieved MS's promise of being an interoperable
format either.

RTF is just a textual dump of document structures. It is as close to 
lossless interchange format as it can be.



However ODF is a lot more secure


All text formats are secure as they do not contain machine-interpretable 
data.



and each of the different versions has been fully documented.


No way. Please link me some 'full documentation' of 
text:list-level-style-number@style:num-format attribute, for example.



Many other programs use ODF;


Apache OpenOffice, IBM Lotus Symphony, LibreOffice, NeoOffice, 
OpenOffice.org, are the same software.


All others programs do not use it as a native format and do not support many 
of the features. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-01 Thread Urmas

James Knott:


Ever hear of Linux?


Linux is a clone of UNIX, an epitome of a proprietary operating system.


it's the OS used on the space station.


Proven a hoax by Agency.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Urmas

James Knott  сообщил(а) в новостях следующее:529918d1.30...@rogers.com...

...and then hold [created documents]
hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office.

There is immense number of software capable import DOC files, due to their 
format being virtually unchanged since 1997 or 2007. Including the Word 
Viewer, of course. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Urmas

Peter West:

Non-FOSS (BSD-licensed software):
Mac OS X  (based on BSD and the Mach kernel)
Linux
gcc

Developed by commercial companies:
Android (based on Linux)
apache
Firefox
OpenJDK
saxon
LibreOffice

So far FOSS 'community' created nothing successful. Everything was designed 
and implemented by real software developers or universities. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Urmas

Pedro:

...a free ODF compatible software (LO or other)

That's nonsense. There is the only one ODF software: OpenOffice and its 
clones. The entire format is built around the single application from a 
single vendor. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Urmas

tk:

b)  There are office suites that are not deroved from either OOo or MSO that 
fully implement ODF specifications and criteria.


And those are... right, none.

There is a reference implementation for the ODF file format.

And it is called...



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-29 Thread Urmas

John Kennedy


Why can you not buy a computer that is already configured to dual boot?


Because no one needs it.


Or why is it so difficult to buy a computer with no operating system?


Because people buy computers to work, not to tinker with.

Microsoft has decreed to computer manufacturers not to do so 
or they will not get Windows at such ridiculous prices.


And that's Windows what is in demand, not your favorite toy OS.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-29 Thread Urmas

Virgil Arrington:

I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business
practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary
motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS.

Foss people are hurt that no one is interested in their bungles except 
occasional corrupted officials. They are imagine themselves as grown-ups and 
do not understand why the adults pet their heads and tell them to go play 
elsewhere.


Just think about it: there was NOT A SINGLE successful FOSS-created project 
so far.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: How to reduce installation size?

2013-11-28 Thread Urmas

minhsien0330:

So I want reduce the size of Libreoffice as small as possible.

You cannot do that without breaking functionality.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: München leads the way in migration to open source

2013-11-25 Thread Urmas

M Henri Day:

​«[N]o way in which the machine [sic !] with Windows NT could run Ubuntu
10.10 ...»​ One of the more absurd comments I've yet seen, as anyone here
can verify by checking the Ubuntu system requirements, available here

I'll just note that 512 MB was _the hardware memory limit_ for most 
motherboards in 2000s.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: München leads the way in migration to open source

2013-11-24 Thread Urmas

M Henri Day:

​For those who missed it, here a link to a fascinating TechReport​ on
München's experience in migrating to open sourceIt might worth noticing that the migration took more than 13 years, several 
times of the planned budget, and required all the computers to be replaced 
with newer ones to _partially_ succeed.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request - Categories for special characters

2013-11-24 Thread Urmas

Regina Henschel:

I do not like the idea to remove characters or group them in another
way. The Unicode groups are well defined and easy to handle.

Unicode groups are non-intuitive and mostly disjointed. Characters like 
arrows are impossible to find there.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: München leads the way in migration to open source

2013-11-24 Thread Urmas

Tom Davies:

The article itself clearly states that the project was easily within
budget.  Plus the organisation didn't have to upgrade any hardware.
See paragraphs 6  7 under the heading Cost.

The report is missing the salaries. Also, there is no way the machine with 
Windows NT could run Ubuntu 10.10, which is the ultimate Limux base. They 
have to upgrade the old hardware out in order to do that. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

2013-11-11 Thread Urmas

Charles-H. Schulz:

Also, it might be useful to remember that developers tend to
contribute because they only want to and find a particular interest in
doing so. Maybe it's for a plain old business interest, but when you're
a volunteer developer, which is the case of the largest majority of
developers on LibreOffice, you contribute because it's fun or you just
want to help with specific things that bug you (not necessarily the
others).

Then why does the LO site not feature a warning on a front page: User, you 
are *freeloading shit*. You are of *no consequence*. Your opinion does not 
matter.? In the present state it is a clear, intent disinformation of the 
customer about the nature of the product.


One cannot build straw airplanes for 25 years instead of listening to 
feedback, copycat random features then come and say: We are a viable 
alternative!




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

2013-11-10 Thread Urmas

Charles-H. Schulz:

The only way users can contribute is when they are paying. If a developer is 
paid for non-user-related applications, it will have the ubiquitous 
opensource mentality: I'm a GOD and you insolent worm will crawl on all 
fours at my feet because it pleases me to do so. Obviously the commercial 
products which have incident support with developers and actually implement 
what users ask of them basing on what is asked and not on what is trivial to 
implement, will live LO in the gutter. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites instead of...

2013-11-09 Thread Urmas

M. Fioretti:

...shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/

There's no such thing as 'open format'. Any format can only slavishly 
describe its reference implementation. There is no reference implementation 
for ODF, except a monstrous ***Office, which was mostly written in German in 
early 90's. So if you say 'format', you say 'implementation'.


Moreover, is the document is 'formatted with spaces', it is so trivial in 
any format, so interoperability is not the problem.


P.S. Why do people like to state that ODF with magically solve the problem 
with space/CR positioning or hard linebreaks? 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites instead of...

2013-11-09 Thread Urmas

Paul:

Don't worry, you can safely ignore Urmas, he's a known troll around
these parts;

You're welcome to name a full reference implementation of ODF format not 
using the OO.o/Staroffice code. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites instead of...

2013-11-09 Thread Urmas

Paul:

...to do
what some company (like Microsoft) thinks you should be able to do, and
only if you pay them very well, open source software believes that
everybody should be able to do whatever they want. That's the very
nature of Open Source: you have the source, change it if you need to.

Oh please, change the source to make it possible to have window panes or 
normal view in the word processor. Hell, people even promise to pay well for 
them, but nothing happens as those are architectural deficiencies cemented 
in in 1992.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Improvement i Last used documents

2013-11-09 Thread Urmas

Leif Burstroem:

It would be nice if the listing of last used document was split up so when I 
use writer I will only get the last used writer documents...


I recall there was a discussion about this and the decision was to keep it 
as it is now.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: major issues

2013-11-09 Thread Urmas

e-letter:

If you want to save an invoice in m$ format, why have you not bought a
legal copy of m$?

BIFF is a Microsoft format now? What an idiot.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: HELP: Frame placement, wrapping, and collision

2013-11-07 Thread Urmas

Adam Tauno Williams:

but it seems I really need an 
anchor-to-paragraph-getting-as-close-as-you-can option without either 
crashing into other frames or leaving a blank inch and a half on the 
previous page.


I'm afraid only DTP applications can ensure adequate placement of drawings. 
There's just no way to lay them out automatically so result would look nice. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Chinese hyphenation

2013-11-07 Thread Urmas

Per Hyttel Larsen:

I know that in e.g. Korean there are a few rules as to where you may break a 
sequence of glyphs. Some must be kept together and be on the same line.


For Chinese/Japanese only some punctuation (like parentheses and quotes) is 
kept with following/previous text.
That list can be changed in LO options. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar

2013-11-06 Thread Urmas

Don Myers:

Some  of the things Microsoft has done are chronicled here in a report
to the European Commission a number of years ago:

One cannot hold in a smile while reading that whine. In particular, the 
Wordstar case of 'shell namespace extensions', which a text processor (Even 
MS Office one) does not need was dismissed from the court as boloney. Also, 
a pay-for Netscape vs. free IE browser story is fascinating. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar

2013-11-06 Thread Urmas

James Knott:


That AARD code was one.  They also used hidden API as was revealed when
Borland sued them and more.


'AARD code' was not in any retail version of Windows. It is fake.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Chinese hyphenation

2013-11-06 Thread Urmas

Per Hyttel Larsen:

I am trying to find out if there is a hyphenation module for LibreOffice for 
the Chinese language (traditional and/or simplyfied).  Can any of you direct 
me towards someone who can answer this question?


There cannot be a hyphenation module for Chinese language, as the 
hieroglyphic scripts are broken after each character.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Find/Replace Regex

2013-11-06 Thread Urmas

\([:digit:].*?[:digit:]\)

works as non-greedy for me (two replacements), and just .* as greedy (1 
repl.) for your example.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar

2013-11-05 Thread Urmas

Simple. The evil machinations of Microsoft.


I will repeat. If any and all Windows application could use Ctrl+J for 
anything, why WordStad suddenly couldn't? 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar

2013-11-05 Thread Urmas

Paul:


Microsoft, as the developers of the
OS, put code in their OS to capture the Ctrl+J key combination, and not
pass it on to the foreground application. However, they also put in
code to allow an application to request that the key combination be
passed on, code that most people, including the developers of WordStar,



Or, alternatively, Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in
to detect a running copy of WordStar, and hide the Ctrl+J key
combination from it.



I'm not saying they did any of this,


So you've just made that malarkey up? Wow.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Language Finnish W764 want Swedish version

2013-11-04 Thread Urmas

Fredrik Jordas:

Hello, have some problem to download a Swedish version of Libreoffice in my
Finnish version of Windows7-64.

It makes no difference, as you select the UI language during the 
installation. 




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar

2013-11-04 Thread Urmas

Virgil Arrington:

Actually, WordStar had different Ctrl+key functions than Word. Yes, today, 
Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify, but back in the WordStar days, Ctrl+J did 
something different...


If it worked in Microsoft Word, how the hell it was 'captured' and 
'unavailable' for Wordstar, whatever function it had?




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[libreoffice-users] Re: [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria

2013-11-03 Thread Urmas

P NIKOLIC:


You trying to be funny


Which one is (or was) better then?


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Urmas

Charles-H. Schulz:

Many people who contribute to the LibreOffice
project discussed the need for us to understand how we could enroll
regular users (whatever that means) to the LibreOffice  project.

The LO project is suffering from rock star syndrome: through all those years 
there is a bunch of jackasses whom we all know but whom I will not name 
here, who has obtained the monopolistic control over the project due to 
their ultimate knowledge of its architecture and functioning. They abuse 
that power to bolster their own egos as if LO was their pet project. Until 
some public 'whippings' or 'executions' of those will take place, LO will be 
looking as an unwelcoming place and its perspectives will be unclear.


Let's remember the ongoing sabotage of interoperation with ubiquitous 
formats of data exchange: Excel 95 and its newer alternative Excel XML. Who 
will support a project where such idiocy can go unpunished?




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Urmas

jonathon:

That must be a reference to the fact that the mean time between starting
MSO on Windows, and seeing the Blue Screen of Death is under sixty
seconds.

/yawn

Or maybe it is a reference to the fact that MSO 2013 is so completely,
utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013,

FUD and absurd statements will take LO nowhere.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: vlookup with cell reference for range

2013-11-03 Thread Urmas

yahoo-pier_andreit:

but
if J1 is $A$1:$D$5
and the formula:
=VLOOKUP(1,J1,2,0)
the formula doesn't works

You probably want INDIRECT function to create a reference from string.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating LibreOffice Calc document from XML (or some other file?)

2013-11-03 Thread Urmas

Mario Splivalo:

Once in the past I stumbled upon a blog where owner explained how one
can create a Calc document from the data that's in the XML file.

You may try XSLT to get a Flat ODS file.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria

2013-11-02 Thread Urmas

Kracked_P_P---webmaster:

MS was the bigest copycats there was back in the early days.  They
stole from any package that could get away with.

I was working in the computer field when Apple came out with the first
Mac, and then many of those ideas were used to make the first Windows
OS.

It is improbable considering the Mac appearing in 1984, and Windows, with 
the same GUI architecture as today, appearing in 1985. There was no chance 
they could adapt the entire GUI in year or so. 




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