[libreoffice-users] Re: Mac people
Ernest Kurtz wrote: Thank you, Alex. Is there any possibility of having an LO Mac list? This list is deluging my mailbox with queries foreign to my needs and experience. The OpenOffice.org community forum does have a http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=17 Mac-specific section as well as a http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=101 LibreOffice section , and we welcome queries from Mac people and LibO people. I recently started a thread about having http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Side-by-side-install-of-LibO-and-OOo-tp3078835p3078835.html LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org coexist on a computer. I am hearing conflicting stories about this, some people say they have both with no trouble, others talk about serious interference between the two. I believe this situation should be addressed very soon, as it is unacceptable for one program to demand that you uninstall another first, which is the advice given in the LibreOffice 3.3.3 Release Notes. Any suggestions on how to capture developers' attention and convince them of the seriousness of the matter are welcome! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Mac-people-tp3092380p3103351.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Mac people
Tom, I will ignore the hostile tone in your reply and the unsupported assertions (rare, etc.) and simply note that the link you gave applies to installing different versions of LibreOffice on the same computer, not to having both OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice installed. Do you have any useful advice on how to remove the warning from the LibO 3.3.3 Release Notes (uninstall OpenOffice.org before installing LibreOffice)? If there is no real problem, then the warning should not be there. If there is a problem, then it needs to be addressed ASAP in my opinion. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Mac-people-tp3092380p3103725.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Mac people
Tom, With your latest insulting missive you have simply underscored what I suspected: you are not someone to be taken seriously and I shall henceforth ignore you. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Mac-people-tp3092380p3104065.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo
Hi Roxy, Jay-- Thank you for your replies but please keep on topic. This thread is not about how to change file associations in Windows or how to set a particular program as the default in Windows. We all know how to do this already (I hope) and we all accept that only one program will launch on double-clicking files of a particular type. Rather, it's about the highly unusual -- and puzzling -- warning in the LibO 3.3.3. release notes and the recommendation to uninstall OpenOffice.org before installing LibreOffice. From your reports, I gather that it is possible, after all, to have both these suites installed on a computer and working normally. Thanks, that is valuable information. However, two questions remain: What about the note from Jack that there could be a problem because the main executable in both LibO and OOo is named soffice.exe: does action need to be taken in this regard? And if not, can the warning to uninstall OOo before installing LibO be removed? At this point, it would be good if a developer or website maintainer with insight on what is going on could chime in. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Side-by-side-install-of-LibO-and-OOo-tp3078835p3089471.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo
Jay Lozier wrote: I have seen with other file types particularly audio and video files where you might have two or three players and the last one installed changes the file associations in the registry to it. Jay, that's right. A well-behaved program should inform the user during installation what it's going to do and offer the option of taking over all the file associations the program want, none of them, or individually choose only some. VLC (VideoLanClient) does exactly that. Last time I installed VLC, the file associations it wanted (all 98 of them!) appeared in a dialog box during installation. They were sorted into categories and sub-categories and each one of them could be selected or unselected individually. The only thing missing was extensive help for users unsure of what choices to make. However, in the case of LibO/OOo it might be better not to give too fine-grained a choice to the user... or perhaps the ability to select/unselect each file type should be hidden far down some Advanced Users Only dialog box. Otherwise there will be lots of confused users asking questions like, When I double-click .odt files I get LibO Writer, when I double click .ott files I get OOo Writer, what's wrong?? when the answer will be, It happens because of the choices you made during installation. Come to think, I suspect that's why the recommendation to uninstall OOo is there: someone thought this would be a good idea to forestall requests for assistance coming in. If I'm right about that, then it wasn't such a good idea, more like throwing out the baby with the bathwater... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Side-by-side-install-of-LibO-and-OOo-tp3078835p3089503.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo
Jack wrote: I believe there may be some slight issues due to the fact that both LibO and OOo have the same process name (soffice.exe). Ah-hah! Now we're getting somewhere. It's not about the file types, it's about the process name. This is potentially a serious issue if it prevents users from having both LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org be usable on their system. So, what is the solution? Change the name(s) of LibO's executable(s)? You could download LibreOfficePortable (portableapps.com/libreofficeportable). It doesn't involve any registry entries as it is made to run from a flash-disk (all the settings are contained in sub folders rather than the registry). Version 3.3.2 is available. Thank you, a reasonable suggestion (but see the bug referenced upthread, about conflict between LibO Portable and OOo.) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Side-by-side-install-of-LibO-and-OOo-tp3078835p3085362.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo
Twayne wrote: IIRC, the use is given the choice of not affecting any other file associations during the install. Or, it can take over all of them depending on which you choose at install time. O.K., good. So, LibO already gives the three-way choice dialog box that I envisioned? I am not going to try installing LibO now myself because the warning on the Release Notes page scares me that my OOo 3.3 will get messed up! Once installed, you can also change them but you have to do them individually which is a lot of work. No, it's not a lot of work. Windows Control Panel Default Programs Registering means of course, entries in the registry which, when a file such as .odt or .ods is clicked, opens whatever program has been registered to open it. Depending on where in the REgstry these program-choosings lie, and which it comes to first, and with both LO and OOo iinstalled to take the same file extensions, it's a crap shoot AFAIK which one wiil be seen first, and used to open that file. It should not be the case, ever, that both LibO and OOo are registered for the same file extensions. If that happens (if it is even possible at all), then someone has messed up somewhere. And I would expect to be able to make either program the default for all (or only some) possible file types via Windows Control Panel at any time. There is no way to do that that I'm aware of. Yes there is. See above. I think you have to consider OOo and LO as two different producers of similar programs and they one is not in any way co-erced into doing what the other does in results or code. This is going to happen with any two or more programs that share common files or Registry entries so it's not new, it's just something that seldom happens. OTOH there's nothing to prevent it from happening either. LibO and OOo should not share any registry entries. They may both have dependencies on the same system files but that is nothing unusual. Like I said before I don't see a need to run them in parallel simultaneiously so for me it's nothing that matters much. Again, I don't mind not being able to run them in parallel. I want to have LibO and OOo installed side by side on the system and not interfere with each other in any way. It's O.K. if only of them can be open and running at the same time! I guess if it were me, I'd just go ahead and try the installs, first in one order, then the opposite order, and see what happens. If I had to guess, I'd say to install OOo first, then LO. Make them both whatever version you want to run production-wise. No, I won't do that. The warning to uninstall OOo before installing LibO is a big red flag that tells me bad things may happen if I want to keep OOo. And I don't have hours to spend on fixing any damage to my system. What specific two versions of each are you trying to install? I'll try it here on win XP Pro and see what happens using those two specific versions. I also have a win7 laptop I can try it on. I'll have free time to play with it about mid-week. Thank you for the offer, you might try installing first OOo 3.3 and then LibO 3.3.3 on your Windows 7 machine; put both through their paces and let us know what happens. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Side-by-side-install-of-LibO-and-OOo-tp3078835p3084840.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo
Cor Twayne, Thank you for your replies. Twayne wrote: If you think about the preceding paragraph, it's saying that both OOo and LO use the same file types and thus there could be confusion to the program as to which program should open a given file. Why should there be confusion? If LibO during installation grabs all ODF file types for itself, then doubleclicking on, say, an .odt file will launch LibO Writer but not OOo Wtiter. OOo could then still open the .odt via File Open. And vice versa, if the user is given a choice during LibO installation to leave existing file associations intact. Ditto for Microsoft Office file types. Twayne wrote: Since you're apparently leaving OOo for LO Not so fast . I'd like to have both OOo and LibO coexisting on my system indefinitely. And I would expect to be able to make either program the default for all (or only some) possible file types via Windows Control Panel at any time. I've searched the bugzilla to see if this has been filed as a bug, did not find one. However, I found this: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33844, which suggests that LibO does not play nicely with OOo (but maybe it's only a problem for Portable LibO?) I wouldn't mind not being able to have both LibO and OOo open and running simultaneously, but I find the suggestion to uninstall OOo before installing LibO mystifying. snip -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Side-by-side-install-of-LibO-and-OOo-tp3078835p3080029.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Side by side install of LibO and OOo
In the Release Notes for LibreOffice 3.3.3, it says: For Windows users that have OpenOffice.org installed, we advise uninstalling that beforehand, because it registers the same file type associations. It would be nice to have the option of keeping OOo, for the odd case when something that works in it is broken in LibreOffice, or when you need OOo installed in order to provide help to another user who has OOo but not LibO. The way to do this, I guess, would be to add an option in LibO's installation, e.g.: FILE ASSOCIATIONS [x] Make LibreOffice the default program for all Open Document Format file types [ ] Make LibreOffice the default program for all Open Document Format and all Microsoft Office file types [ ] Do not make LibreOffice the default program for any file types Learn More The first radio button would be pre-selected. Clicking on Learn More would bring up a verbose explanation, e.g., a listing ODF and MSO file extensions, what the consequences of each choice are, perhaps also a pointer to how file associations are set/changed in Windows. Would this be a difficult thing to implement? Are there other considerations besides registration of file associations that make keeping OOo a problem? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Side-by-side-install-of-LibO-and-OOo-tp3078835p3078835.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
Very interesting. Quote from article: Although LibreOffice provided an alternative, it's sorely lacking in the kind of brand recognition held by OpenOffice, while as a fork it was within Oracle's power to accept changes in LibreOffice back in the main code base. I was under the impression that Oracle's demand for contributors to assign their copyright meant that they could not accept LO code unless such assignment was given? As much as Ellison hates Microsoft, you have to wonder how easy it was for him to give up OpenOffice. It was a cheap way for Oracle to hurt their rival by forcing them to keep down prices to retain their near-monopoly. One can speculate now what will happen to the in-house OO development team at Oracle. I guess they will be offered new assignments within the company. Another quote: It's not clear, meanwhile, whether the Document Foundation has a future when OpenOffice is back in the open. TDF can be the champion of open document formats, fighting for a level playing ground, exploring legal challenges to Microsoft Office's abuse of its market-dominant position (IMHO, I am not a lawyer), spreading the message of document freedom, educating the public, providing expertise. Plenty of work there to last a decade. Assuming that LibreOffice is the heir apparent to OpenOffice, who will step in as the heavyweight patron to replace Oracle -- IBM? Lots more questions. Although this forum is frequented by many big names who could speak from an insider's perspective, I don't expect many answers at this point. It could be risky for them to reveal much while the situation is in flux. At the same time there are hundreds of thousands of users who are probably quite anxious to find out what's in the cards for their preferred office software. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Ellison-s-Oracle-washes-hands-of-OpenOffice-tp2826546p2827313.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
Tom Davies wrote: snip It was a cheap way for Oracle to hurt their rival ?? Sun you (Ellison) idiot. Not Oracle, but Sun was the company that owned OpenOffice and did the work of preventing the community from developing the product. Ahem, Tom... Those were my words, so I guess it's me who is the idiot Also, the article in The Register was written by Gavin Clarke, not Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle). Glad to hear that companies are lining up to support LibreOffice. It is essential in my opinion. I used to think that Open Source meant amateur enthusiasts writing code in their spare time, but that was before I learned that more than three quarters of Linux comes from developers on the payroll of corporations. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Ellison-s-Oracle-washes-hands-of-OpenOffice-tp2826546p2827525.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
Ryan Jendoubi wrote: On 16/04/11 07:09, aqualung wrote: [...] It could be risky for them to reveal much while the situation is in flux. At the same time there are hundreds of thousands of users who are probably quite anxious to find out what's in the cards for their preferred office software. I thought ODF was meant to free people from software lock-in? ;-) Well, it does. If Microsoft dies tomorrow, billions of Word and Excel files are left in limbo. In theory, the proprietary file format could be buried with the company. If both LibreOffice and OpenOffice die, it will be easy for a successor to pick up where they left off... in the interim, however, there would be some anxiety so let's hope this never happens. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Ellison-s-Oracle-washes-hands-of-OpenOffice-tp2826546p2827537.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Download
Bill Robison wrote: Where do I click to download LibreOffice This is what I am looking at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ I am just missing something obvious and I downloaded the Help Pack but when I click install it goes back to installing the help pack and then finds that I have already installed the help pack. Obviously I am just missing something simple, but I am really frustrated. Please advise Bill -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted When I visit that page, I see a link for http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/3.3.2/win/x86/LibO_3.3.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe Did you download that and then double-click it? The person who published that download page may have thought it glaringly obvious that visitors would know to download both the huge 214 MB install file and the 10 MB help pack file, but that may not be the case always. If I may make a suggestion here, it would be to spell out that information explicitly. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Download-tp2827350p2828029.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: I am downloading LibreOffice to try it out.
Ken (and Robert), Ken Springer wrote: If you think finding Nabble and other help in the Libre Office site is hard, try Mozilla!! Horrendous!l Great eye candy, but not particularly functional for finding help. True indeed. That's why http://forums.mozillazine.org Mozillazine , a volunteer effort, sprung up and is thriving with millions of posts and hundreds of thousands of users. Total posts 4176354 • Total topics 790627 • Total members 374066 If Libre Office goes to a forum format, I'm outta here. Forums are resource hungry and slow. Big forums require dedicated servers, that is true. For people browsing there, they are fast and simple to use. To me, forums assume the user is to stupid or ignorant to master newsgroups. With respect, Ken, that statement to me indicates an insular mindset. You may be a geek (not intended as an insult) and go back to the early days of Usenet, but the majority of people on the Internet are not. It is not very productive to label them as stupid or ignorant if forums are what they prefer. http://ubuntuforums.org/ Ubuntu and http://forums.linuxmint.com/ Linux Mint , to give two more examples, have embraced forums and met with an enthusiastic response. My recommendation would be for The Document Foundation and LibreOffice to approach the http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ OOo volunteer forum to discuss collaboration. It is popular, well maintained, the moderators and volunteers are for the most part helpful and knowledgeable, and there is no need in my opinion to re-invent the wheel. (Of course, such steps may already be going on behind the scenes that we don't yet know about.) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/I-am-downloading-LibreOffice-to-try-it-out-tp2790818p2801420.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: I am downloading LibreOffice to try it out.
No offense to any of the participants (seriously!) but this thread is pure comedy gold -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/I-am-downloading-LibreOffice-to-try-it-out-tp2790818p2792483.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Word Count Progress Bar
Great, I hope you make this into a .oxt extension and upload it to the extensions repository! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Word-Count-Progress-Bar-tp2710396p2711100.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
