Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation

2013-09-14 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The Rpm distros put the User Profile in exactly the same place as does every 
other GnuLinux system except openSuSE and maybe SuSE.  

The difference they make is about halfway through there is a folder called 
libreoffice which they rename to lo.  

Programs used to put their user-profiles and configuration files straight into 
the users home directory but over the years there was some agreement that it 
made things look a bit messy so most programs are moving their configs into a 
sub-folder called .config and that . makes it a hidden folder.  If you have 
a version of LibreOffice earlier than 3.5.0 then it's User Profile might be in 
the old place but all currently supported versions are in 
/home/user name/.config/libreoffice/4/user  
errr, except 3.6.x which is in 
/home/user name/.config/libreoffice/3/user  


If you are new to GnuLinux it might be interesting to have a look in
/home/user name/.config

to see which programs/packages have already made it into there and then look in 
the old
/home/user name

to see which ones haven't made it yet.  Those that haven't moved already 
probably will move to rejoin the others in their next upgrade (or maybe the one 
after).  LibreOffice made the move earlier than a lot of them because LO 
upgrades so quickly.  


I'm not sure what you mean about scattered around the system.  The only bits 
you need to worry about are in 

/home
Log-files are kept with all the other logfiles but you shouldn't poke around 
with them and the programs are kept with the other programs but you shouldn't 
poke around with them either.  Generally it is not a good idea to poke around 
with any system-files and all system-files form everything that is outside the 

/home


You may have successfully followed advice to make some changes to your 
system-files to move around menu entries in your boot-menu or edited your 
network settings or graphics card or ssh but all those are per machine rather 
then per user and you will have had to use sudo, gksu, su or had to 
deal with a dialogue-box asking permission to act as Super User in order to 
deal with changes to system-files.  


One advantage is that if you need to back-up your system then you only need to 
back-up your /home and that doesn't grab tons of extra stuff that wont work on 
a different system.  You could copy your /home to a different machine and then 
install a different OS and still find all your stuff and configs neatly 
unharmed and all working to give you your programs the way you tweaked them.  
It helps if your /home is on it's own partition because then there are tons of 
other neat tricks you can do.  



Anyway all this is wy off-topic.  It would be nice to have a separate 
thread about that sort of thing but it's not really anything to do with 
LibreOffice.  One nice forum that tries to cover all the different flavours of 
GnuLinux is
http://www.linuxquestions.org
although each distro tends to have it's own in addition to using that one.
Regards from 
Tom :)  









 From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 21:51
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation
 

On 09/13/2013 04:36 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
 Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

 In the top box of the Writing Aids, I see Hunspell Spellchecker,
 Libhyphen Hyphenator, Lightproof grammar checker, and Openoffice.org New
 Thesaurus.

 I'm missing the Libhyphen Hyphenator and Lightproof Grammar Checker.

 I'll try renaming the profile. I've done this so many times in Windows
 that it's second nature to me. I've been a little skittish about doing
 in in Linux as I'm just not accustomed to the way Linux spreads things
 around its file system.

 Virgil


Yes, Linux can be something after using Windows for years and years.

The .config folder is a hidden folder as well, so that messes people up
as well.

I know where it is located with Debian-based Linux, Like Ubuntu and
Mint, but not on the RPM based installs of LO.

I do not know why you do not have those two parts.
I recently did a clean install on a new drive.  So it all has been
mostly default installs.

I did not add anything to LO except the dictionary .oxt file.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation

2013-09-13 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

It works on my Ubuntu 12.04 install[s] and my Windows install[s].

Since it uses the same en_US.dic for the language reference for the
797K+ word list, it may not show up as a different dictionary outside of
the Extension manager.  My last testing for the thesaurus showed the
lookup results of that dictionary first , then showed the original en_US
thesaurus results at the end of those results.

In the top box of the Writing Aids, I see Hunspell Spellchecker,
Libhyphen Hyphenator, Lightproof grammar checker, and Openoffice.org New
Thesaurus.

The bottom box - at the bottom of the option list - is the check boxes
for the Hyphenate option, plus there is the grammar check boxes.

The only added extension was the American English extension.

I have seen this same issue[s] with dictionary/thesaurus/hyphen system
on and off since 3.4 or 3.5 days.  I believe there has been bug reports
before.  Some people fixed the problem by closing LO and then renaming
the user profile.  When you reopen LO, you will need to reinstall the
American English, since it may have been removed from the extension list.

For Ubuntu, it is .config/libreoffice/  I would rename it
.config/libreoffice-old/ or -backup.  That way you do not loose your
profile if you want to go back to it.




On 09/12/2013 11:39 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I think that is 2 separate questions.  (Not completely convinced but i think 
 it is)  

 For hyphenation try 
 Tools - Options - Language Settings - Writing Aids 
 and then near the bottom of the bottom box as well as near the top of the top 
 one.  

 I think the middle box might deal with the dictionaries problem?  
 Regards from 
 Tom :)  




 
  From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 13:40
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation
  

 I need some help with my Linux LO installation.

 I'm running Linux Mint 15, and LO 4.0.5. I recently noticed that 
 hyphenation doesn't work. I don't know if it ever did, so I can't say 
 that it just recently stopped working.

 My language settings tell me that I have spell check and thesaurus 
 modules, but neither hyphenation nor grammar modules. My language 
 setting is English (USA).

 My usr/share/hunspell folder simply shows two files en_US.dic and 
 en_US.aff.

 So, I then downloaded the more complete American English dictionary from 
 the LO dictionary extension pages. 
 (http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/american-british-canadian-spelling-hyphen-thesaurus-dictionaries).

 My extension manager says it is installed, and the files, including a 
 hyphenation dictionary, appear in the 
 users/extensions/tmp/extensions/lu3jpv1t.tmp_/kpp-american(etc) 
 folder, but...

 LO doesn't seem to recognize the new dictionaries. Hyphenation still 
 doesn't work, and my language settings under Tools/Options/Language 
 Settings/ haven't changed. I still have no hyphenation or grammar 
 modules, and no options are available to recognize them.

 Any ideas on how to get LO to recognize my new dictionaries?

 Virgil




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation

2013-09-13 Thread Virgil Arrington

Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


In the top box of the Writing Aids, I see Hunspell Spellchecker,
Libhyphen Hyphenator, Lightproof grammar checker, and Openoffice.org New
Thesaurus.


I'm missing the Libhyphen Hyphenator and Lightproof Grammar Checker.

I'll try renaming the profile. I've done this so many times in Windows that 
it's second nature to me. I've been a little skittish about doing in in 
Linux as I'm just not accustomed to the way Linux spreads things around its 
file system.


Virgil 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation

2013-09-13 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 09/13/2013 04:36 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
 Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

 In the top box of the Writing Aids, I see Hunspell Spellchecker,
 Libhyphen Hyphenator, Lightproof grammar checker, and Openoffice.org New
 Thesaurus.

 I'm missing the Libhyphen Hyphenator and Lightproof Grammar Checker.

 I'll try renaming the profile. I've done this so many times in Windows
 that it's second nature to me. I've been a little skittish about doing
 in in Linux as I'm just not accustomed to the way Linux spreads things
 around its file system.

 Virgil


Yes, Linux can be something after using Windows for years and years.

The .config folder is a hidden folder as well, so that messes people up
as well.

I know where it is located with Debian-based Linux, Like Ubuntu and
Mint, but not on the RPM based installs of LO.

I do not know why you do not have those two parts.
I recently did a clean install on a new drive.  So it all has been
mostly default installs.

I did not add anything to LO except the dictionary .oxt file.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation

2013-09-13 Thread Virgil Arrington

On 09/13/2013 04:51 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
The .config folder is a hidden folder as well, so that messes people 
up as well. I know where it is located with Debian-based Linux, Like 
Ubuntu and Mint, but not on the RPM based installs of LO. I do not 
know why you do not have those two parts. I recently did a clean 
install on a new drive. So it all has been mostly default installs. 
I did not add anything to LO except the dictionary .oxt file. 


Yes, I've become aware of the hidden nature of the .config folder.

I installed Linux Mint 15 a month or so ago, and used the LO 4.0.2 that 
came with it. I recently upgraded to 4.0.5, but I honestly don't recall 
if the hyphenation was working before the upgrade or not. So far, I've 
just played in Linux, slowly and patiently migrating as Tom recently 
mentioned.


I just renamed my user profile, reinstalled my American English 
dictionaries, and nothing changed. I still have no hyphenation or 
grammar modules.


Virgil

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[libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation

2013-09-12 Thread Virgil Arrington

I need some help with my Linux LO installation.

I'm running Linux Mint 15, and LO 4.0.5. I recently noticed that 
hyphenation doesn't work. I don't know if it ever did, so I can't say 
that it just recently stopped working.


My language settings tell me that I have spell check and thesaurus 
modules, but neither hyphenation nor grammar modules. My language 
setting is English (USA).


My usr/share/hunspell folder simply shows two files en_US.dic and 
en_US.aff.


So, I then downloaded the more complete American English dictionary from 
the LO dictionary extension pages. 
(http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/american-british-canadian-spelling-hyphen-thesaurus-dictionaries).


My extension manager says it is installed, and the files, including a 
hyphenation dictionary, appear in the 
users/extensions/tmp/extensions/lu3jpv1t.tmp_/kpp-american(etc) 
folder, but...


LO doesn't seem to recognize the new dictionaries. Hyphenation still 
doesn't work, and my language settings under Tools/Options/Language 
Settings/ haven't changed. I still have no hyphenation or grammar 
modules, and no options are available to recognize them.


Any ideas on how to get LO to recognize my new dictionaries?

Virgil


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation

2013-09-12 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think that is 2 separate questions.  (Not completely convinced but i think it 
is)  

For hyphenation try 
Tools - Options - Language Settings - Writing Aids 
and then near the bottom of the bottom box as well as near the top of the top 
one.  

I think the middle box might deal with the dictionaries problem?  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





 From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 13:40
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation
 

I need some help with my Linux LO installation.

I'm running Linux Mint 15, and LO 4.0.5. I recently noticed that 
hyphenation doesn't work. I don't know if it ever did, so I can't say 
that it just recently stopped working.

My language settings tell me that I have spell check and thesaurus 
modules, but neither hyphenation nor grammar modules. My language 
setting is English (USA).

My usr/share/hunspell folder simply shows two files en_US.dic and 
en_US.aff.

So, I then downloaded the more complete American English dictionary from 
the LO dictionary extension pages. 
(http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/american-british-canadian-spelling-hyphen-thesaurus-dictionaries).

My extension manager says it is installed, and the files, including a 
hyphenation dictionary, appear in the 
users/extensions/tmp/extensions/lu3jpv1t.tmp_/kpp-american(etc) 
folder, but...

LO doesn't seem to recognize the new dictionaries. Hyphenation still 
doesn't work, and my language settings under Tools/Options/Language 
Settings/ haven't changed. I still have no hyphenation or grammar 
modules, and no options are available to recognize them.

Any ideas on how to get LO to recognize my new dictionaries?

Virgil


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux hyphenation

2013-09-12 Thread Virgil Arrington

On 09/12/2013 11:39 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think that is 2 separate questions.  (Not completely convinced but i think it 
is)

For hyphenation try
Tools - Options - Language Settings - Writing Aids
and then near the bottom of the bottom box as well as near the top of the top 
one.

I think the middle box might deal with the dictionaries problem?
Regards from
Tom :)


I think all my setting are right in the Writing Aids dialogs. My problem 
is that it doesn't give me any option to add a Hyphenation or Grammar 
module. If I click on Edit next to the top box, it doesn't show any 
modules for Hyphenation or Grammar. I don't think it's seeing the 
dictionaries I downloaded in the extension manager.


I tried copying my downloaded dictionary files into the Hunspell folder, 
but Linux wouldn't let me. These are the times when I want to just 
forget Linux and stick with Windows. But, I'll be patient.


Virgil

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