Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
Hi Regina. On 2/06/11 6:02 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote: On 2/06/11 3:20 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Steve, Steve Edmonds schrieb: [long decription] The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text. The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere. My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of. Go to character style Numbering Symbol. On the tab Font or on the tab Font effects (depends on your settings) click on the button Standard. Go to the tab Organizer. There should be no entries in section Contains. Thanks for your help Regina. I see the entries in organiser that must be cleared. In Font I have only font, typeface, size and language selections. In Font Effects I have no button Standard, just 6 list selectors and 4 tick boxes (Outline, Shadow, Blinking, Hidden). I have LO 3.3.2 on mac. steve Hi. Now I have 3.4.0. I still see no button Standard, may be I am not seeing the obvious. Do you have a screen shot showing Standard button. On the plus side, 3.4.0 seems to have fixed the unstable outline style problem I was experiencing. Steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
Well, From a style guide perspective, if you are not changing the numbering style, you shouldn't be changing the font. I _assume_ you are looking to create something like this: 1 The Art of Slamming Head Against Wall 1.1 Place Palms Flat Against Wall 1.2 Bend Elbows 45 degrees 1.3 Rear Head Back as far as Possible 1.4 Throw Body Weight Behind Forward Head Movement 2 The Art of Being Kicked in the Head I am working from memory here, didn't test this, but you are not supposed to be globally changing a font after the fact. You are supposed to have an outline style with a numbering style at each level. Take a look at Tools-Outline Numbering. You can specify a different paragraph style for each level. On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 13:27 +1200, Steve Edmonds wrote: Hi. I have got myself into a state with numbering that may be someone could help me get out of, or if there is no way out may be it will lead to a bug being filed. I have been making notes for a company LO styles usage manual and looking at what users have been doing and what they should have done and how to fix up their manuals. I will simply explain how to recreate the problem and possibly someone can help me with the correction. 1-Create a new writer document. 2-Add say 5 lines of text. 3-Apply list style Numbering 1 to get outline numbering. 4-Highlight line 2 and Demote one level 5-With line 2 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. The size of the outline numbering on line 2 changes to match. This is all as expected and as historically has happened through LO and OO. 6-Now click on the outline numbering (so just the numbering is highlighted in gray) And change the font to another font and change the font size to another size. The outline numbering all changes. 7-highlight line 4 and Demote one level 8-With line 4 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text. The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere. My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of. I have deleted all numbering and all content from the document but now for any list I create or list style I apply to the document the outline numbering is in the font and size I set it 6 above and not matching the characters after the numbering as did occur originally. This one click and change to the outline font has completely mucked up my whole document (As I had size 16pt bold major points level 1 and size 12pt sub points and now they are all either 16 or 12 and bold or not). Thanks, steve -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
Hello Steve, On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 13:27:56 +1200 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: Hi. I have got myself into a state with numbering that may be someone could help me get out of, or if there is no way out may be it will lead to a bug being filed. I have been making notes for a company LO styles usage manual and looking at what users have been doing and what they should have done and how to fix up their manuals. I will simply explain how to recreate the problem and possibly someone can help me with the correction. 1-Create a new writer document. 2-Add say 5 lines of text. 3-Apply list style Numbering 1 to get outline numbering. 4-Highlight line 2 and Demote one level 5-With line 2 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. The size of the outline numbering on line 2 changes to match. This is all as expected and as historically has happened through LO and OO. 6-Now click on the outline numbering (so just the numbering is highlighted in gray) And change the font to another font and change the font size to another size. The outline numbering all changes. 7-highlight line 4 and Demote one level 8-With line 4 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. For your points 5 and 6 you are hard formatting the appearance of the text. Instead do the following: Highlight the text of your point 5, press F11 to get the styles and formatting window, and modify the corresponding (highlighted) style, that is applied to this text. Do the same for the formatting of your outline numbering. The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text. The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere. This is probably because hard formatted text takes precedence over applied styles. To remove your hard formatting mark (highlight) all your text and select Default formatting. Once this is done, you can modify the styles for the outline numbering in any way you want - but use the styles and formatting window to do this. :) HTH Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
On 1/06/11 8:16 PM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: Hello Steve, On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 13:27:56 +1200 Steve Edmondssteve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: Hi. I have got myself into a state with numbering that may be someone could help me get out of, or if there is no way out may be it will lead to a bug being filed. I have been making notes for a company LO styles usage manual and looking at what users have been doing and what they should have done and how to fix up their manuals. I will simply explain how to recreate the problem and possibly someone can help me with the correction. 1-Create a new writer document. 2-Add say 5 lines of text. 3-Apply list style Numbering 1 to get outline numbering. 4-Highlight line 2 and Demote one level 5-With line 2 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. The size of the outline numbering on line 2 changes to match. This is all as expected and as historically has happened through LO and OO. 6-Now click on the outline numbering (so just the numbering is highlighted in gray) And change the font to another font and change the font size to another size. The outline numbering all changes. 7-highlight line 4 and Demote one level 8-With line 4 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. For your points 5 and 6 you are hard formatting the appearance of the text. Instead do the following: Highlight the text of your point 5, press F11 to get the styles and formatting window, and modify the corresponding (highlighted) style, that is applied to this text. Do the same for the formatting of your outline numbering. The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text. The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere. This is probably because hard formatted text takes precedence over applied styles. To remove your hard formatting mark (highlight) all your text and select Default formatting. Once this is done, you can modify the styles for the outline numbering in any way you want - but use the styles and formatting window to do this. :) Thanks, but I find that if you follow my example hard formatting the font using Default formatting does not clear the hard formatting. I can't seem to get rid of it and any new lists are created with the same hard formatting. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
Dotan, LOL! Thanks for a bit of humor amid all the vitriol expressed in the top/bottom posting thread.. -- I'm so busy, I don't know whether I found a rope or lost my horse! Earl -- From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 09:22, Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com wrote: 1 The Art of Slamming Head Against Wall 1.1 Place Palms Flat Against Wall 1.2 Bend Elbows 45 degrees 1.3 Rear Head Back as far as Possible 1.4 Throw Body Weight Behind Forward Head Movement This does not work. I tried three times and all three times my chest hit the wall before my head. I suggest snapping the head forward in a whip-like fashion, with the intent on getting the forehead as the leading edge as soon as possible (the forehead starts facing up, due to the head reared back). With this method I hit the wall with my forehead two tries out of three, with the third hitting my nose. Note that a nose hit results in more blood loss than a forehead hit, but consciousness is regained sooner. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 15:00, Earl Melton earlemel...@yahoo.com wrote: Dotan, LOL! Thanks for a bit of humor amid all the vitriol expressed in the top/bottom posting thread.. And you'll notice my adversary in that thread helping me out in another thread. That's a community, we disagree on some things but we all help each other out. If only such a relationship could be established with my neighbours... Sorry for the OT. Back to getting Style properly configured... why doesn't LO / OOo give an option to change _all_ text of a particular style when one style is edited? I might just have to go file a feature request on that. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 1 June, 2011 14:37:42 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help. On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 15:00, Earl Melton earlemel...@yahoo.com wrote: Dotan, LOL! Thanks for a bit of humor amid all the vitriol expressed in the top/bottom posting thread.. And you'll notice my adversary in that thread helping me out in another thread. That's a community, we disagree on some things but we all help each other out. If only such a relationship could be established with my neighbours... Sorry for the OT. Back to getting Style properly configured... why doesn't LO / OOo give an option to change _all_ text of a particular style when one style is edited? I might just have to go file a feature request on that. Dotan Cohen Hi :) Lol, yes. Some people think that Community means everyone loves each other like 1 big happy hippy family. I've yet to see a truely happy family, especially hippy ones. Most murders are committed by loved ones so luckily we aren't all that close and are ready to argue where we can but help where needed. Good luck and regard from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
Here is a relevant feature request: Update styles when text is formatted https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37819 http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=118122 -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
Hi Steve, Steve Edmonds schrieb: [long decription] The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text. The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere. My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of. Go to character style Numbering Symbol. On the tab Font or on the tab Font effects (depends on your settings) click on the button Standard. Go to the tab Organizer. There should be no entries in section Contains. Kind regards Regina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
On 2/06/11 3:20 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Steve, Steve Edmonds schrieb: [long decription] The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text. The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere. My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of. Go to character style Numbering Symbol. On the tab Font or on the tab Font effects (depends on your settings) click on the button Standard. Go to the tab Organizer. There should be no entries in section Contains. Thanks for your help Regina. I see the entries in organiser that must be cleared. In Font I have only font, typeface, size and language selections. In Font Effects I have no button Standard, just 6 list selectors and 4 tick boxes (Outline, Shadow, Blinking, Hidden). I have LO 3.3.2 on mac. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
On 1/06/11 9:06 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Steve. Steve Edmonds wrote (01-06-11 03:27) 3-Apply list style Numbering 1 to get outline numbering. The only advice I want to give you: set up outline numbering via Tools Outline numbering, which uses Heading 1, 2 etc. Only if you need something that can not be done there, start working with list styles. Thanks. I have set up Outline Numbering as I wish. Can I confirm I understand the correct use. I have my page of unformatted text where I want to establish outline numbering. -I highlight the top level text and select Heading 1. (no numbering shows, just heading 1 formatted text) -I click Numbering On/Off in the tool bar or press F12 to have numbering applied. - I highlight the 2nd level text and select Heading 2. (no numbering shows, just heading 2 formatted text) -I click Numbering On/Off in the tool bar or press F12 to have numbering applied. -etc. etc. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
Hallo Steve, Steve Edmonds schrieb: On 2/06/11 3:20 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Steve, Steve Edmonds schrieb: [long decription] The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text. The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere. My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of. Go to character style Numbering Symbol. On the tab Font or on the tab Font effects (depends on your settings) click on the button Standard. Go to the tab Organizer. There should be no entries in section Contains. Thanks for your help Regina. I see the entries in organiser that must be cleared. In Font I have only font, typeface, size and language selections. In Font Effects I have no button Standard, just 6 list selectors and 4 tick boxes (Outline, Shadow, Blinking, Hidden). I have LO 3.3.2 on mac. I have no mac, so I cannot say whether this is typical for mac or a bug. Each tab should have a Standard button. Can you try another version, perhaps LO3.4.0 rc2? The settings are bounded to the document. So perhaps it works for you, when you open parallel a new document with default numbering, and then go to File Templates Organize and copy the style Numbering 1. If you see white and transparent in the Organize tab, that is probably OK too. Kind regards Regina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
Hi. I have got myself into a state with numbering that may be someone could help me get out of, or if there is no way out may be it will lead to a bug being filed. I have been making notes for a company LO styles usage manual and looking at what users have been doing and what they should have done and how to fix up their manuals. I will simply explain how to recreate the problem and possibly someone can help me with the correction. 1-Create a new writer document. 2-Add say 5 lines of text. 3-Apply list style Numbering 1 to get outline numbering. 4-Highlight line 2 and Demote one level 5-With line 2 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. The size of the outline numbering on line 2 changes to match. This is all as expected and as historically has happened through LO and OO. 6-Now click on the outline numbering (so just the numbering is highlighted in gray) And change the font to another font and change the font size to another size. The outline numbering all changes. 7-highlight line 4 and Demote one level 8-With line 4 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text. The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere. My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of. I have deleted all numbering and all content from the document but now for any list I create or list style I apply to the document the outline numbering is in the font and size I set it 6 above and not matching the characters after the numbering as did occur originally. This one click and change to the outline font has completely mucked up my whole document (As I had size 16pt bold major points level 1 and size 12pt sub points and now they are all either 16 or 12 and bold or not). Thanks, steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
