Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
This guide might help 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 19/4/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 19 April, 2012, 13:01

On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 00:03 -0400, Jerry Greenberg wrote:
 
 Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the 
 same time on the same computer?
 
 Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since 
 Oracle took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office. 
 
 
 Thanks! 
 Jerry Greenberg              

     Yes, and you can have more than one version of LO. Presently I have
installed LO 3.4.6 and  3.5.2 besides AOO 3.4.0 which is in Beta
testing.
     One of the few problems that you may have is in the menu (Programs
 All programs in Windows).

--Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It's fine to have OOo installed and to keep using it.  I like the use of 
portable apps to make sure you can always use something like OOo when you are 
on different machines.  Altogether a good choice and for good, valid reasons.

There are little wrinkles in the history where Oracle ignored TDF's requests to 
join in with joint ventures and then Oracle amusingly tried to race against and 
out-manoeuvre LO but managed to trip over their own shoelaces.  Apache are 
unlikely to take OOo in unpleasant and stupid directions so it's fine to stick 
with it.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 19/4/12, John Bijnens johnbijne...@gmail.com wrote:

From: John Bijnens johnbijne...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 19 April, 2012, 15:56

Hi,

I thought after the fork of LibreOffice Oracle gave the source code of 
OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation.
IBM donated the source code of their OpenOffice fork called Lotus Symphony also 
to the Apache Foundation.
If I've read everything correctly the Apache Foundation has a special policy 
called the Incubation this is a period of time during which amongst lots of 
other 
things the new project is kept under quarantine for patent issues and to see 
whether the project is viable.
I thought this period of time is practically over and a new release of 
OpenOffice can be expected during the second half of this year.

I have OpenOffice installed on my laptop and I have LibreOffice as a portable 
app on an external hard drive in case I need it.
I prefer OpenOffice because, although it lacks some features available in 
LibreOffice which I don't use that often, it is much stabler and thus more of 
use in a 
production environment. Of course this is my personal impression, things can be 
different for someone else.

Best regards,

     John Bijnens

On 19/04/2012 16:18, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

 I really do not think having LO and AOO on the same computer works properly 
 for most users.  LO is well beyond what AOO is at, and LO people have cleaned 
 out 
 so much of the old/bad/outdated code that it would be a real catch-up act for 
 AOO to give you the same features and such that LO have given us since 
 mid-3.3.x 
 line.  I use 3.4.6, but will got to 3.5.x when it get some of its issues 
 fixed that are specific for my needs.

 Yes, you can have LO and AOO installed on the same computer.
 No, you cannot run both at the same time.
 No, it is not something that works well for most users.

 Yes, it is your choice to try.

 On 04/19/2012 08:49 AM, Caesar wrote:
 On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:34:39 +0200, R.S.
 rosario.scars...@libero.it  wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Open
 Office and Libre Office Questions...:

 Il 19/04/2012 6.03, Jerry Greenberg ha scritto:
 Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the 
 same time on the same computer?

 Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since 
 Oracle took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office.

 Hi, although it colud be possible, the installation program registers on
 the registry the same associations. If you have encountered crashes with
 Libreoffice 3.5.2.2 try using version 3.4.6.
 I prefer using Libreoffice because it is more efficient and it has a lot
 of functions that are not included in OpenOffice.
 You can probably avoid any such conflicts by using a portable
 version of LO from here:
 http://portableapps.com/news/2012-04-16_-_libreoffice_portable_3.5.2_released

 for more info, see this:
 http://portableapps.com/support/libreoffice_portable





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It wasn't straight-away after!  They struggled with it for about a year but 
found that is was a bit of a mill-stone around their neck so after a year's 
failed efforts at trying to make it into something people would have to pay for 
they 'lent it' to Apache who they were fighting in court over some other 
issues.  Apache seem to be doing quite fine with it.  
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Thu, 19/4/12, John Bijnens johnbijne...@gmail.com wrote:

From: John Bijnens johnbijne...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 19 April, 2012, 15:56

Hi,

I thought after the fork of LibreOffice Oracle gave the source code of 
OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation.
IBM donated the source code of their OpenOffice fork called Lotus Symphony also 
to the Apache Foundation.
If I've read everything correctly the Apache Foundation has a special policy 
called the Incubation this is a period of time during which amongst lots of 
other 
things the new project is kept under quarantine for patent issues and to see 
whether the project is viable.
I thought this period of time is practically over and a new release of 
OpenOffice can be expected during the second half of this year.

I have OpenOffice installed on my laptop and I have LibreOffice as a portable 
app on an external hard drive in case I need it.
I prefer OpenOffice because, although it lacks some features available in 
LibreOffice which I don't use that often, it is much stabler and thus more of 
use in a 
production environment. Of course this is my personal impression, things can be 
different for someone else.

Best regards,

     John Bijnens

On 19/04/2012 16:18, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

 I really do not think having LO and AOO on the same computer works properly 
 for most users.  LO is well beyond what AOO is at, and LO people have cleaned 
 out 
 so much of the old/bad/outdated code that it would be a real catch-up act for 
 AOO to give you the same features and such that LO have given us since 
 mid-3.3.x 
 line.  I use 3.4.6, but will got to 3.5.x when it get some of its issues 
 fixed that are specific for my needs.

 Yes, you can have LO and AOO installed on the same computer.
 No, you cannot run both at the same time.
 No, it is not something that works well for most users.

 Yes, it is your choice to try.

 On 04/19/2012 08:49 AM, Caesar wrote:
 On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:34:39 +0200, R.S.
 rosario.scars...@libero.it  wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Open
 Office and Libre Office Questions...:

 Il 19/04/2012 6.03, Jerry Greenberg ha scritto:
 Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the 
 same time on the same computer?

 Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since 
 Oracle took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office.

 Hi, although it colud be possible, the installation program registers on
 the registry the same associations. If you have encountered crashes with
 Libreoffice 3.5.2.2 try using version 3.4.6.
 I prefer using Libreoffice because it is more efficient and it has a lot
 of functions that are not included in OpenOffice.
 You can probably avoid any such conflicts by using a portable
 version of LO from here:
 http://portableapps.com/news/2012-04-16_-_libreoffice_portable_3.5.2_released

 for more info, see this:
 http://portableapps.com/support/libreoffice_portable





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[libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread Jerry Greenberg


Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the same 
time on the same computer?

Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since Oracle 
took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office. 


Thanks! 





 
 


Jerry Greenberg



  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread Dan Lewis
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 00:03 -0400, Jerry Greenberg wrote:
 
 Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the 
 same time on the same computer?
 
 Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since 
 Oracle took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office. 
 
 
 Thanks! 
 Jerry Greenberg 

 Yes, and you can have more than one version of LO. Presently I have
installed LO 3.4.6 and  3.5.2 besides AOO 3.4.0 which is in Beta
testing.
 One of the few problems that you may have is in the menu (Programs
 All programs in Windows).

--Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread R.S.

Il 19/04/2012 6.03, Jerry Greenberg ha scritto:


Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the same 
time on the same computer?

Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since Oracle 
took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office.


Thanks!









Jerry Greenberg




Hi, although it colud be possible, the installation program registers on 
the registry the same associations. If you have encountered crashes with 
Libreoffice 3.5.2.2 try using version 3.4.6.
I prefer using Libreoffice because it is more efficient and it has a lot 
of functions that are not included in OpenOffice.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread Jay Lozier

Jerry,

On 04/19/2012 12:03 AM, Jerry Greenberg wrote:


Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the same 
time on the same computer?

Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since Oracle 
took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office.


Thanks!


Jerry Greenberg

See the following wiki article for instructions about parallel 
installations http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel. 
It should work with parallel installation of OOo and LO.


OOo is now in the Apache Incubator stage with the Apache Foundation. I 
understand Apache plans to fully support OOo but because of Oracle's 
lack of effort OOo has lost some development time.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread Caesar
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:34:39 +0200, R.S.
rosario.scars...@libero.it wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Open
Office and Libre Office Questions...:

Il 19/04/2012 6.03, Jerry Greenberg ha scritto:

 Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the 
 same time on the same computer?

 Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since 
 Oracle took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office.
  
Hi, although it colud be possible, the installation program registers on 
the registry the same associations. If you have encountered crashes with 
Libreoffice 3.5.2.2 try using version 3.4.6.
I prefer using Libreoffice because it is more efficient and it has a lot 
of functions that are not included in OpenOffice.

You can probably avoid any such conflicts by using a portable
version of LO from here:
http://portableapps.com/news/2012-04-16_-_libreoffice_portable_3.5.2_released

for more info, see this:
http://portableapps.com/support/libreoffice_portable

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


I really do not think having LO and AOO on the same computer works 
properly for most users.  LO is well beyond what AOO is at, and LO 
people have cleaned out so much of the old/bad/outdated code that it 
would be a real catch-up act for AOO to give you the same features and 
such that LO have given us since mid-3.3.x line.  I use 3.4.6, but will 
got to 3.5.x when it get some of its issues fixed that are specific for 
my needs.


Yes, you can have LO and AOO installed on the same computer.
No, you cannot run both at the same time.
No, it is not something that works well for most users.

Yes, it is your choice to try.

On 04/19/2012 08:49 AM, Caesar wrote:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:34:39 +0200, R.S.
rosario.scars...@libero.it  wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Open
Office and Libre Office Questions...:


Il 19/04/2012 6.03, Jerry Greenberg ha scritto:

Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the same 
time on the same computer?

Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since Oracle 
took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office.


Hi, although it colud be possible, the installation program registers on
the registry the same associations. If you have encountered crashes with
Libreoffice 3.5.2.2 try using version 3.4.6.
I prefer using Libreoffice because it is more efficient and it has a lot
of functions that are not included in OpenOffice.

You can probably avoid any such conflicts by using a portable
version of LO from here:
http://portableapps.com/news/2012-04-16_-_libreoffice_portable_3.5.2_released

for more info, see this:
http://portableapps.com/support/libreoffice_portable




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 4/19/2012 10:18 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
 I really do not think having LO and AOO on the same computer works
properly for most users.

[snip]

 Yes, you can have LO and AOO installed on the same computer.
 No, you cannot run both at the same time.
 No, it is not something that works well for most users.


I disagree with this. Well, in part.

I have OOo 3.1, LibO 3.4 (the Calc filter bug makes 3.5 unusable for
me), and IBM Lotus Symphony all installed on the same computer and I've
had all three running at once, and never encountered any problems. (Why
did I have all three running at once? Well, basically, to see if I would
encounter any problems!)


 LO is well beyond what AOO is at, and LO people have cleaned out so
much of the old/bad/outdated code that it would be a real catch-up act
for AOO to give you the same features and such that LO have given us
since mid-3.3.x line. I use 3.4.6, but will got to 3.5.x when it get
some of its issues fixed that are specific for my needs.

This I agree with whole-heartedly!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread John Bijnens

Hi,

I thought after the fork of LibreOffice Oracle gave the source code of 
OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation.
IBM donated the source code of their OpenOffice fork called Lotus Symphony also 
to the Apache Foundation.
If I've read everything correctly the Apache Foundation has a special policy called the Incubation this is a period of time during which amongst lots of other 
things the new project is kept under quarantine for patent issues and to see whether the project is viable.

I thought this period of time is practically over and a new release of 
OpenOffice can be expected during the second half of this year.

I have OpenOffice installed on my laptop and I have LibreOffice as a portable 
app on an external hard drive in case I need it.
I prefer OpenOffice because, although it lacks some features available in LibreOffice which I don't use that often, it is much stabler and thus more of use in a 
production environment. Of course this is my personal impression, things can be different for someone else.


Best regards,

John Bijnens

On 19/04/2012 16:18, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


I really do not think having LO and AOO on the same computer works properly for most users.  LO is well beyond what AOO is at, and LO people have cleaned out 
so much of the old/bad/outdated code that it would be a real catch-up act for AOO to give you the same features and such that LO have given us since mid-3.3.x 
line.  I use 3.4.6, but will got to 3.5.x when it get some of its issues fixed that are specific for my needs.


Yes, you can have LO and AOO installed on the same computer.
No, you cannot run both at the same time.
No, it is not something that works well for most users.

Yes, it is your choice to try.

On 04/19/2012 08:49 AM, Caesar wrote:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:34:39 +0200, R.S.
rosario.scars...@libero.it  wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Open
Office and Libre Office Questions...:


Il 19/04/2012 6.03, Jerry Greenberg ha scritto:

Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at the same 
time on the same computer?

Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that since Oracle 
took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open Office.


Hi, although it colud be possible, the installation program registers on
the registry the same associations. If you have encountered crashes with
Libreoffice 3.5.2.2 try using version 3.4.6.
I prefer using Libreoffice because it is more efficient and it has a lot
of functions that are not included in OpenOffice.

You can probably avoid any such conflicts by using a portable
version of LO from here:
http://portableapps.com/news/2012-04-16_-_libreoffice_portable_3.5.2_released

for more info, see this:
http://portableapps.com/support/libreoffice_portable







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread Helen
I've also been wondering how I can go back to OpenOffice, wondering
whether I should uninstall LibreOffice first.
I've had trouble with LibreOffice refusing to print in landscape mode.
 I googled and learned that it's a known issue -- at least a few
people have reported this.  I've tried everything I know (not much) to
fix it, but, although Print Preview looks fine, anything printed
in landscape mode is distorted.  So I'm thinking of getting rid of
Libre Office and re-installing Open Office.  I'm not a sophisticated
user and  not even sure I know how to do this correctly.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM, John Bijnens johnbijne...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I thought after the fork of LibreOffice Oracle gave the source code of
 OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation.
 IBM donated the source code of their OpenOffice fork called Lotus Symphony
 also to the Apache Foundation.
 If I've read everything correctly the Apache Foundation has a special policy
 called the Incubation this is a period of time during which amongst lots of
 other things the new project is kept under quarantine for patent issues and
 to see whether the project is viable.
 I thought this period of time is practically over and a new release of
 OpenOffice can be expected during the second half of this year.

 I have OpenOffice installed on my laptop and I have LibreOffice as a
 portable app on an external hard drive in case I need it.
 I prefer OpenOffice because, although it lacks some features available in
 LibreOffice which I don't use that often, it is much stabler and thus more
 of use in a production environment. Of course this is my personal
 impression, things can be different for someone else.

 Best regards,

    John Bijnens


 On 19/04/2012 16:18, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


 I really do not think having LO and AOO on the same computer works
 properly for most users.  LO is well beyond what AOO is at, and LO people
 have cleaned out so much of the old/bad/outdated code that it would be a
 real catch-up act for AOO to give you the same features and such that LO
 have given us since mid-3.3.x line.  I use 3.4.6, but will got to 3.5.x when
 it get some of its issues fixed that are specific for my needs.

 Yes, you can have LO and AOO installed on the same computer.
 No, you cannot run both at the same time.
 No, it is not something that works well for most users.

 Yes, it is your choice to try.

 On 04/19/2012 08:49 AM, Caesar wrote:

 On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:34:39 +0200, R.S.
 rosario.scars...@libero.it  wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Open
 Office and Libre Office Questions...:

 Il 19/04/2012 6.03, Jerry Greenberg ha scritto:

 Is it possible to have both Libre Office and Open Office installed at
 the same time on the same computer?

 Are there going to be any new updates for Open Office. I read that
 since Oracle took over they have not been very keen on supporting Open
 Office.

 Hi, although it colud be possible, the installation program registers on
 the registry the same associations. If you have encountered crashes with
 Libreoffice 3.5.2.2 try using version 3.4.6.
 I prefer using Libreoffice because it is more efficient and it has a lot
 of functions that are not included in OpenOffice.

 You can probably avoid any such conflicts by using a portable
 version of LO from here:

 http://portableapps.com/news/2012-04-16_-_libreoffice_portable_3.5.2_released

 for more info, see this:
 http://portableapps.com/support/libreoffice_portable





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread Jay Lozier

On 04/19/2012 12:36 PM, Helen wrote:

I've also been wondering how I can go back to OpenOffice, wondering
whether I should uninstall LibreOffice first.
I've had trouble with LibreOffice refusing to print in landscape mode.
  I googled and learned that it's a known issue -- at least a few
people have reported this.  I've tried everything I know (not much) to
fix it, but, although Print Preview looks fine, anything printed
in landscape mode is distorted.  So I'm thinking of getting rid of
Libre Office and re-installing Open Office.  I'm not a sophisticated
user and  not even sure I know how to do this correctly.


In Windows uninstall LO first, then install OOo, I forget the exact 
steps. In Linux use your package manager to uninstall LO and Install 
OOo. I have no idea for a Mac.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Open Office and Libre Office Questions...

2012-04-19 Thread Cor Nouws

John Bijnens wrote (19-04-12 16:56)


I have OpenOffice installed on my laptop and I have LibreOffice as a
portable app on an external hard drive in case I need it.
I prefer OpenOffice because, although it lacks some features available
in LibreOffice which I don't use that often, it is much stabler and thus
more of use in a production environment. Of course this is my personal
impression, things can be different for someone else.


There are many bugs from OpenOffice code removed from the LibreOffice code.
People running Libreoffice as a server application, that ran OpenOffice 
before, are extremely clear in their experience: it's much and much stabler.
And the biggest bug from OpenOffice code is being worked on too at 
LibreOffice: cleaning up the whole thing, make it ready for future.
This gives regressions, temporarily. Alas. But the other improvements 
outweigh that, by far.

Ah well, you will find out yourself the next months, years maybe  ;-)

Cheers,

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