Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress and file dialogue choice

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

Mike Scott wrote:

On 09/10/15 20:24, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Mike Scott wrote:

On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote:
...

This is outstandingly horrible !


Yes.


My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at
the end of the week:

.


It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape
are now selected ( but greyed out again )
Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the
beginning.


Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't
seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and
File|Save is greyed out).


That depends on the settings:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document
modified" status
and:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even
when the document is not modified

Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the
document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings
are actually used next time the document is opened.


Hmmm.

I think the problem here is one of obscurity. Too many options spread
over too many dialogues/tabs all affecting results, no obvious way to
find what's happening unless you "just know" to look there, and the help
file isn't very helpful.

There's even inconsistency between programs. Try the following in each
of Writer and Impress. Create a new document and save it. Change the
printer via File|Print setting. Now look at menu choice File|Save. In
Impress, it's greyed out. In Writer, it's available.

(Both options you mention above are unset in my system, btw.)


Now you mention it, I see that too in LibreOffice 4.4.2 on Windows. With 
both unset:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document 
modified" status
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even 
when the document is not modified


Changing printer:
- Create new document (for Base, also create a database form)
- Save
- Change the printer at File > Printer Settings
  - In Writer or Base (at least in form editor), the document is 
treated as modified (Save is available, and attempting to close give a 
warning that it's not saved)
  - In Calc, Impress, Draw and Formula, the document is NOT treated as 
modified.


Changing printer-specific properties:
- Create new document (for Base, also create a database form)
- Save
- Change printer-specific settings at File > Printer Settings > 
Properties (I've tried with an Epson SX100 changing the Quality and 
Reverse Order settings)
  - In Writer or Base (at least in form editor), the document is 
treated as modified
  - In Calc, Impress, Draw and Formula, the document is NOT treated as 
modified.

- Save
- Again, change printer-specific settings at File > Printer Settings > 
Properties
  - This time, the document is NOT treated as modified, even in Writer 
and Base forms; it is only the first time that treats the document as 
modified.


Changing LibreOffice printer options:
- Create new document (for Base, also create a database form)
- Save
- Change all the tick-box options at File > Printer Settings > Options
- In all components, the document is NOT treated as modified.

It's probably not worth me reporting this against 4.4.2, but if you can 
reproduce with the latest version it would probably be worth submitting 
a bug report against Writer (it also affects Base forms, but I think 
that just uses Writer so probably really the same problem). If you 
submit a bug, please post back with the bug number.


Mark.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress and file dialogue choice

[Mike Scott]

On 09/10/15 20:24, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Mike Scott wrote:

On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote:
...

This is outstandingly horrible !


Yes.


My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at
the end of the week:

.


It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape
are now selected ( but greyed out again )
Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning.


Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't
seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and
File|Save is greyed out).


That depends on the settings:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document
modified" status
and:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even
when the document is not modified

Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the
document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings
are actually used next time the document is opened.

Mark.




Hmmm.

I think the problem here is one of obscurity. Too many options spread 
over too many dialogues/tabs all affecting results, no obvious way to 
find what's happening unless you "just know" to look there, and the help 
file isn't very helpful.


There's even inconsistency between programs. Try the following in each 
of Writer and Impress. Create a new document and save it. Change the 
printer via File|Print setting. Now look at menu choice File|Save. In 
Impress, it's greyed out. In Writer, it's available.


(Both options you mention above are unset in my system, btw.)


To add more annoyance, as part of trying to get my own brochure issue 
sorted, I upgraded to 5.0.2.2. A minor upgrade, yet it's changed the 
file load/save dialogues to LO's own. The option to revert to (my 
preference) the system dialogues has apparently gone. The information at

https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Opening_Documents#System_File_Dialogs_or_LibreOffice_Dialogs
is clearly now wrong. It's not helpful to do this to the poor user!!!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress and file dialogue choice

[Graham Luffrum]

Under my version of LO 5.0.2.2 (under Linux Mint 17.2 32 bit) I still have
the choice between LO's dialogues and the system dialogues.

Graham


On 10 October 2015 at 09:59, Mike Scott  wrote:

> On 09/10/15 20:24, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
>
>> Mike Scott wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
 This is outstandingly horrible !

>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at
 the end of the week:

>>> .
>>>
>>> It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape
 are now selected ( but greyed out again )
 Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning.

>>>
>>> Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't
>>> seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and
>>> File|Save is greyed out).
>>>
>>
>> That depends on the settings:
>> - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document
>> modified" status
>> and:
>> - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even
>> when the document is not modified
>>
>> Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the
>> document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings
>> are actually used next time the document is opened.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>>
>>
> Hmmm.
>
> I think the problem here is one of obscurity. Too many options spread over
> too many dialogues/tabs all affecting results, no obvious way to find
> what's happening unless you "just know" to look there, and the help file
> isn't very helpful.
>
> There's even inconsistency between programs. Try the following in each of
> Writer and Impress. Create a new document and save it. Change the printer
> via File|Print setting. Now look at menu choice File|Save. In Impress, it's
> greyed out. In Writer, it's available.
>
> (Both options you mention above are unset in my system, btw.)
>
>
> To add more annoyance, as part of trying to get my own brochure issue
> sorted, I upgraded to 5.0.2.2. A minor upgrade, yet it's changed the file
> load/save dialogues to LO's own. The option to revert to (my preference)
> the system dialogues has apparently gone. The information at
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Opening_Documents#System_File_Dialogs_or_LibreOffice_Dialogs
> is clearly now wrong. It's not helpful to do this to the poor user!!!
>
>
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> Harlow Essex England
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress

[Malcolm Moore]

Hi,


Yes the printer does A3 and borderless


Creating an A3 presentation ( Format page / Page )
will not print as A3 it always comes out as A4.
Using 'Use only paper tray from printer preferences' 
means it prints landscape but it is still on A4


An A3 Writer document prints as expected


Ta


Mal



 From:   Regina Henschel <rb.hensc...@t-online.de> 
 To:<users@global.libreoffice.org> 
 Sent:   08/10/2015 2:52 PM 
 Subject:   Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress 

Hi Malcome,

Malcolm Moore schrieb:
> If I create a presentation in Impress and set the
> page size to A3 landscape, how do I print it ?
>
>
> It always comes out  ( partly on ) A4 and the
> dropdown to change the paper size in the print
> dialog is greyed out at A4

What paper size is your printer able to print on? Has hit got A3? Can it 
print A4 borderless?

For to enable the printer settings you need to check the options "Use 
only paper tray from printer preferences" and "Use only size form 
printer preferences" in the tab "Options".

Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress

[Mike Scott]

On 09/10/15 09:31, Malcolm Moore wrote:

Hi,


Yes the printer does A3 and borderless


Creating an A3 presentation ( Format page / Page )
will not print as A3 it always comes out as A4.
Using 'Use only paper tray from printer preferences'
means it prints landscape but it is still on A4


As Regina said, you also need to set 'use only paper /size/ from...' as 
well. Otherwise I see the same symptom (landscape, and size locked to A4).


BTW, Impress seems to pick its size differently from Draw, which chooses 
a more useful default of A3 for an A3 drawing.


Haven't we only just been here? :-) :-) :-)  I suggest again that the 
Print dialogue could use some improvement in this area.






An A3 Writer document prints as expected


Ta


Mal



  From:   Regina Henschel 

.


For to enable the printer settings you need to check the options "Use
only paper tray from printer preferences" and "Use only size form
printer preferences" in the tab "Options".

Kind regards
Regina




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress

[Malcolm Moore]

Eventually the penny dropped, sorry for being thick !
This is outstandingly horrible !


My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at the end 
of the week:


You have to go to 'Tools/Options/LibreOffice Impress/Print
Make sure Paper tray from printer settings is unchecked


Then 'File/Print' ( at this point the Print/Properties are wrong and greyed out 
)
Then 'Options' and check 'Use only paper tray from printer preferences' and 
'Use only paper size from printer preferences'
Then go back to 'General' select the printer and go to 'Properties' ( If you 
don't do this now it forgets the previous step )
The paper size and orientation are now available to change
Then OK


It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape are now 
selected ( but greyed out again )
Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning.


Mal





 From:   Mike Scott <m...@scottsonline.org.uk> 
 To:<users@global.libreoffice.org> 
 Sent:   09/10/2015 9:54 AM 
 Subject:   Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress 

On 09/10/15 09:31, Malcolm Moore wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Yes the printer does A3 and borderless
>
>
> Creating an A3 presentation ( Format page / Page )
> will not print as A3 it always comes out as A4.
> Using 'Use only paper tray from printer preferences'
> means it prints landscape but it is still on A4

As Regina said, you also need to set 'use only paper /size/ from...' as 
well. Otherwise I see the same symptom (landscape, and size locked to A4).

BTW, Impress seems to pick its size differently from Draw, which chooses 
a more useful default of A3 for an A3 drawing.

Haven't we only just been here? :-) :-) :-)  I suggest again that the 
Print dialogue could use some improvement in this area.


>
>
> An A3 Writer document prints as expected
>
>
> Ta
>
>
> Mal
>
>
>
>   From:   Regina Henschel <rb.hensc...@t-online.de>
.
>
> For to enable the printer settings you need to check the options "Use
> only paper tray from printer preferences" and "Use only size form
> printer preferences" in the tab "Options".
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress

[Malcolm Moore]

I stand corrected :-) but the fun continues...


If you set it up, save it and reopen it, you are correct
it does save the printer settings but then select 
another identical printer from your list of printers it goes 
back to A4 for that printer . If then you go 'oops, my mistake' 
and go back to the original printer that has gone back to A4 
again. At that point if you cancel out and do file print again
on the original printer it's back to A3.


Are there bugs posted for this - this seems almost designed
to be a monumental pain in the behind ? 


Best wishes 


Mal











 From:   Mike Scott <v...@scottsonline.org.uk> 
 To:<users@global.libreoffice.org> 
 Sent:   09/10/2015 1:57 PM 
 Subject:   Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress 

On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote:
...
> This is outstandingly horrible !

Yes.

> My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at the 
> end of the week:
.

> It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape are now 
> selected ( but greyed out again )
> Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning.

Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't 
seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and 
File|Save is greyed out). However, if the print stuff is set up, and 
then a substantive change is made followed by a save, the print info is 
saved as well. But if you need to change it again, you have to go 
through the whole procedure again.

At least it seems that way after a quick experiment.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress

[Mike Scott]

On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote:
...

This is outstandingly horrible !


Yes.


My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at the end 
of the week:

.


It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape are now 
selected ( but greyed out again )
Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning.


Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't 
seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and 
File|Save is greyed out). However, if the print stuff is set up, and 
then a substantive change is made followed by a save, the print info is 
saved as well. But if you need to change it again, you have to go 
through the whole procedure again.


At least it seems that way after a quick experiment.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

Mike Scott wrote:

On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote:
...

This is outstandingly horrible !


Yes.


My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at
the end of the week:

.


It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape
are now selected ( but greyed out again )
Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning.


Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't
seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and
File|Save is greyed out).


That depends on the settings:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document 
modified" status

and:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even 
when the document is not modified


Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the 
document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings 
are actually used next time the document is opened.


Mark.


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[libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress

[Malcolm Moore]

If I create a presentation in Impress and set the 
page size to A3 landscape, how do I print it ?


It always comes out  ( partly on ) A4 and the 
dropdown to change the paper size in the print 
dialog is greyed out at A4


In the end I PDF'ed it and printed it out that way 
but that's less than elegant !


LO 5.0.2 openSuse BTW


Ta


Mal
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Malcome,

Malcolm Moore schrieb:

If I create a presentation in Impress and set the
page size to A3 landscape, how do I print it ?


It always comes out  ( partly on ) A4 and the
dropdown to change the paper size in the print
dialog is greyed out at A4


What paper size is your printer able to print on? Has hit got A3? Can it 
print A4 borderless?


For to enable the printer settings you need to check the options "Use 
only paper tray from printer preferences" and "Use only size form 
printer preferences" in the tab "Options".


Kind regards
Regina

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