Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with standard filter
Ah yes, I didn't mention that bit on my addition to #46062. A workaround for that case is: - Select Standard Filter... rather than any tick boxes - Set the Field name to - none - - Click OK I notice you've mentioned on #46062 that Excel includes a (blanks) option. That's the kind of thing I was thinking, but not sure how to avoid confusion with a filter for cells literally containing (blanks). How does Excel handle that? Do you get two seemingly identical entries - one to filter for blank cells and one for cells containing the string (blanks) - or is the one for blank cells unambiguously different in some way? Mark. Rob Jasper wrote: The same inconsistency also makes that if one filter on the only one value available by filtering on 'Not empty', and subsequently deletes the value fro the visible rows, it is impossible to switch off the selection (since 'All' doesn't work as being really all). I opened [Bug 81577] for this. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with standard filter
Mark,
I tested that briefly in Excel. Excel doen't seem to make difference in v
blank cells and cels containing one or more spaces. I had blank cells, cells
with one space, and cells with 2 spaces. Only one selection came up, and it
selected all 3 variations.
I also tested prepending spaces to values, and adding trailing spaces, and they
are ignored to ('aaa' considered the same as ' aaa' ands 'aaa '.
I assume the cell values are left and right trimmed before being considered for
filtering.
Rob.
Op 25 jul. 2014, om 22:28 heeft Mark Bourne het volgende geschreven:
Ah yes, I didn't mention that bit on my addition to #46062. A workaround for
that case is:
- Select Standard Filter... rather than any tick boxes
- Set the Field name to - none -
- Click OK
I notice you've mentioned on #46062 that Excel includes a (blanks) option.
That's the kind of thing I was thinking, but not sure how to avoid confusion
with a filter for cells literally containing (blanks). How does Excel
handle that? Do you get two seemingly identical entries - one to filter for
blank cells and one for cells containing the string (blanks) - or is the
one for blank cells unambiguously different in some way?
Mark.
Rob Jasper wrote:
The same inconsistency also makes that if one filter on the only one value
available by filtering on 'Not empty', and subsequently deletes the value
fro the visible rows, it is impossible to switch off the selection (since
'All' doesn't work as being really all).
I opened [Bug 81577] for this.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with standard filter
Mark,
forgot to mention that, although the reported problems are different, bugs
81577 and 46062 are very related. They might be solved by one solution..
Rob.
Op 26 jul. 2014, om 00:14 heeft Rob Jasper het volgende geschreven:
Mark,
I tested that briefly in Excel. Excel doen't seem to make difference in v
blank cells and cels containing one or more spaces. I had blank cells, cells
with one space, and cells with 2 spaces. Only one selection came up, and it
selected all 3 variations.
I also tested prepending spaces to values, and adding trailing spaces, and
they are ignored to ('aaa' considered the same as ' aaa' ands 'aaa '.
I assume the cell values are left and right trimmed before being considered
for filtering.
Rob.
Op 25 jul. 2014, om 22:28 heeft Mark Bourne het volgende geschreven:
Ah yes, I didn't mention that bit on my addition to #46062. A workaround for
that case is:
- Select Standard Filter... rather than any tick boxes
- Set the Field name to - none -
- Click OK
I notice you've mentioned on #46062 that Excel includes a (blanks) option.
That's the kind of thing I was thinking, but not sure how to avoid confusion
with a filter for cells literally containing (blanks). How does Excel
handle that? Do you get two seemingly identical entries - one to filter for
blank cells and one for cells containing the string (blanks) - or is the
one for blank cells unambiguously different in some way?
Mark.
Rob Jasper wrote:
The same inconsistency also makes that if one filter on the only one value
available by filtering on 'Not empty', and subsequently deletes the value
fro the visible rows, it is impossible to switch off the selection (since
'All' doesn't work as being really all).
I opened [Bug 81577] for this.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with standard filter
Ah yes, I didn't mention that bit on my addition to #46062. A workaround for that case is: - Select Standard Filter... rather than any tick boxes - Set the Field name to - none - - Click OK I notice you've mentioned on #46062 that Excel includes a (blanks) option. That's the kind of thing I was thinking, but not sure how to avoid confusion with a filter for cells literally containing (blanks). How does Excel handle that? Do you get two seemingly identical entries - one to filter for blank cells and one for cells containing the string (blanks) - or is the one for blank cells unambiguously different in some way? Mark. Rob Jasper wrote: The same inconsistency also makes that if one filter on the only one value available by filtering on 'Not empty', and subsequently deletes the value fro the visible rows, it is impossible to switch off the selection (since 'All' doesn't work as being really all). I opened [Bug 81577] for this. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with standard filter
Sorry - replied from the wrong account; I've resent from an address subscribed to the list. Please don't forward the moderated copy to the list. Thanks, Mark. Mark Bourne wrote: Ah yes, I didn't mention that bit on my addition to #46062. A workaround for that case is: - Select Standard Filter... rather than any tick boxes - Set the Field name to - none - - Click OK I notice you've mentioned on #46062 that Excel includes a (blanks) option. That's the kind of thing I was thinking, but not sure how to avoid confusion with a filter for cells literally containing (blanks). How does Excel handle that? Do you get two seemingly identical entries - one to filter for blank cells and one for cells containing the string (blanks) - or is the one for blank cells unambiguously different in some way? Mark. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with standard filter
The same inconsistency also makes that if one filter on the only one value available by filtering on 'Not empty', and subsequently deletes the value fro the visible rows, it is impossible to switch off the selection (since 'All' doesn't work as being really all). I opened [Bug 81577] for this. Op 23 jul. 2014, om 23:38 heeft Mark Bourne het volgende geschreven: Urmas wrote: Rob Jasper: If I unselect ALL, aaa gets unselected too (reasonable, since that the gebaviour for more the one slection values too) If I now select aaa, the ALL mark is also automatically selected!! This looks plain wrong to me since no filtering is different then filtering on 1 value, since there are also empty fields. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46062 Good catch; I had to read it a couple of times to see that the original comments before yours are describing a similar problem. I've added a demo file and more detailed description which is hopefully sufficient for others to reproduce. It is possible to do what is asked, using the more advanced Standard Filter... dialog rather than the immediately visible tick boxes. The way the tick boxes work in this case isn't particularly intuitive though, particularly when they give the impression that the current filter is set to something other than what it is. Mark. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with standard filter
Rob Jasper wrote: Hi, I hope someone can help me with this... I have a spreadsheet with around 4000 rows in it. It has an autofilter in de co;umn headings. In column B I have some 10 fields containing aaa, and 3 fields bbb. Now I filter on bbb I clear the 3 fields If I mark all (it is not marked upon opening) in the filter I get indeed the whole list If I now repeat this for the aaa fields: upon opening the all and aaa is ticked If I unselect ALL, aaa gets unselected too (reasonable, since that the gebaviour for more the one slection values too) If I now select aaa, the ALL mark is also automatically selected!! This looks plain wrong to me since no filtering is different then filtering on 1 value, since there are also empty fields. It does seem to make setting up the filters somewhat confusing. Basically, deselecting All and then selecting all specific values (but not empty) acts the same as selecting All (which includes empty). With more than one value, plus some empty cells, in the column: - e.g. some cells with aaa, some with bbb, some empty. - Filter on aaa shows only rows containing aaa (not bbb or empty) - Filter on bbb shows only rows containing bbb (not aaa or empty) - Filter on Empty shows only rows with empty cell (not aaa or bbb) - Filter on All shows all rows (aaa, bbb and empty) - Attempting to filter for aaa or bbb automatically selects All, and includes the empty cells. With only one value, plus some empty cells, in the column: - e.g. some cells with aaa, some empty. - Filter on Empty shows only rows with empty cell (not aaa) - Filter on All shows all rows (aaa and empty) - Attempting to filter for aaa automatically selects All, and includes the empty cells. I've checked this using LO 4.0.4, which is admittedly quite an old version, on Windows. OK, the workaround is selecting on 'not empty' Now the tick on 'aaa' is cleared, which seems wrong too! This does seem to work as a workaround. I think the tick boxes are intended as a quick was to set up basic filters, and don't accurately reflect more complex filters. Although they don't look right after selecting Not Empty, clicking Standard Filter... does show that the filter is currently set to show Not Empty values. Now I clear the values Now the tick is set at ALL, and I can't clear the filter anymore... (the button is blue) Select Standard Filter..., set the Field name to - none - and click OK. Workaround: enter a bogus value in the column Select all (the select mark goes off) Now delete the value Working on Mac OSX 10.7.5, LO 4.2.4.2 (build 63150712c6d317d27ce2db16eb94c2f3d7b699f8) Am I missing something here? I couldn't see any open bugs with a quick search. I'd suggest upgrading to the latest version in the 4.2 branch (i.e. 4.2.5) and see if the problem still occurs. If it does, search again for any existing bugs and, assuming none are found, report either using the bug submission assistant at https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/ or the full bug tracker at https://bugs.libreoffice.org/. Mark. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Problem with standard filter
Hi, I hope someone can help me with this... I have a spreadsheet with around 4000 rows in it. It has an autofilter in de co;umn headings. In column B I have some 10 fields containing aaa, and 3 fields bbb. Now I filter on bbb I clear the 3 fields If I mark all (it is not marked upon opening) in the filter I get indeed the whole list If I now repeat this for the aaa fields: upon opening the all and aaa is ticked If I unselect ALL, aaa gets unselected too (reasonable, since that the gebaviour for more the one slection values too) If I now select aaa, the ALL mark is also automatically selected!! This looks plain wrong to me since no filtering is different then filtering on 1 value, since there are also empty fields. OK, the workaround is selecting on 'not empty' Now the tick on 'aaa' is cleared, which seems wrong too! Now I clear the values Now the tick is set at ALL, and I can't clear the filter anymore... (the button is blue) Workaround: enter a bogus value in the column Select all (the select mark goes off) Now delete the value Working on Mac OSX 10.7.5, LO 4.2.4.2 (build 63150712c6d317d27ce2db16eb94c2f3d7b699f8) Am I missing something here? Best, Rob. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
