Re: [libreoffice-users] Range names
Den tis 5 maj 2020 kl 02:07 skrev Steve Edmonds : > > > On 04/05/2020 09:09, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > > Den sön 3 maj 2020 kl 22:39 skrev Steve Edmonds < > steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com>: > >> >> >> On 04/05/2020 08:24, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >> >> Den sön 3 maj 2020 kl 21:39 skrev Steve Edmonds < >> steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com>: >> >>> Hi Johnny. >>> I came up against this issue last year after needing to open an excel >>> sheet in Calc. >>> Excel allows range names that Calc doesn't so the sheet wouldn't work. I >>> wanted to rename the offending excel ranges. >>> >> >> Out of curiosity, I would like to know what kinds of range names that is. >> Can you give me some examples? >> >> I filed a bug; https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130577 >> > > So Excel allows for a leading backslash, LibreOffice does not. I'l have a > look at it tomorrow, if I remember to. > > >> Does your name changing macro change the name through range name and >> formulae using that range name to be changed? >> > Do you mean the code I wrote below or the macro that I mentioned before > that? > The macro I mentioned first, the one with the obvious bug, is not finished > yet, but I think it will be tomorrow (and hopefully bug free too, almost). > It loops through all defined cell range names and cell names. For every > name, it finds its corresponding reference, for instance ”$Sheet1.$A$1”. > Then it search all sheets for that reference and replaces it with the cell > range name. So if cell A1 has the name ”Length” and cell A2 is > ”=$A$1*$A$1”, then the macro will change A2 to ”=Length*Length”. However, > it will also change things like ”$A$123”, but I think I solved that one > now. I'll try to finish it tomorrow. > > The code I wrote below is just a starting point if you want to create your > own macro to change all the names in that Excel file. I don't know if > that's even possible, maybe you need to do that in Excel, since those names > are invalid in LibreOffice Calc. I don't know yet, I'll give it a go > tomorrow, I think. > > I think I might have to do my replacement of range names in the excel file > as by the time Calc opens it the import filter has messed it up when range > names are offending. > I just had some time to check it out, the file you attached to that bug report, and we were right, you can't fix it automatically in LibreOffice Calc. The problem is that some of the names are broken (refers to #REF!). Of course you could do it manually if you know what all the names are. In this case there are 34 names, and not all of them are broken, so it shouldn't take too long if you know the references for all the broken names. But I guess it's easier to fix it in Excel, either manually or with a VBA macro. You could, for instance, make a VBA macro that replace all backslashes with something else, like yet another underscore (first make sure there will be no doublets) or just something unique, like _Ch92_, _Asc92_, _bsol_ or whatever, making the risk of doublets minimal. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg > > Kind regards > > Johnny Rosenberg > > >> Regards, Steve >> >> >> I actually wrote a macro that replaces range references with existing >> range names, but I can see a few bugs that I don't have a solution for at >> the moment. >> At this stage, the macro goes through all existing range names (and cell >> names), find their corresponding references and then do a search and >> replace. >> For instance, if there's a name ”MyName” for ”$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$7”, every >> occurrence of ”$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$7” will be replaced with ”MyName”. That >> means that if it, for instance, finds ”$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$70” (note the extra >> ”0” at the end), the result will be ”MyName0”, which is not meaningful… But >> I'm working on it. >> >> When dealing with ranges, I think this problem is rarely going to happen. >> If ”$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$7” has a name, why would we find the reference >> ”$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$70”? But it's probably a much bigger problem with single >> cells. >> >>> >>> I couldn't find a solution like you seek. >>> >> >> If you want to edit names with a macro, you can find and edit all defined >> names like so: >> >> *Sub CorrectNames * >> * For Index=0 To ThisComponent.NamedRanges.getCount()-1* >> * Name=ThisComponent.NamedRanges.getByIndex(Index).getName()* >> >> * DoSomething(Name) * >> * ThisComponent.NamedRanges.getByIndex(Index).setName(Name)* >> >> * Next Index * >> >> *End Sub * >> >> >> *Sub DoSomething(ByRef Name) * >> >> * ' Enter Name changing, mind blowing code below. * >> >> *End Sub * >> >> Something like that. >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Johnny Rosenberg >> >> >>> steve >>> >>> On 03/05/2020 19:35, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >>> > Hi! >>> > >>> > I'm just wondering if I'm missing something. >>> > Let's say I have a spreadsheet (I actually have several…) with a lot of >>> > cells and ranges already filled with data and formulas. One day I >>> discover >>> > the range naming feature, so I name a few cell
Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Range names
Once again I accidentally sent something in private rather than to the list. When will I learn? Anyway, apologies to Dave and here it is for the list: -- Forwarded message - Från: Johnny Rosenberg Date: sön 10 maj 2020 kl 09:07 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Range names To: Dave Howorth Den ons 6 maj 2020 kl 00:11 skrev Dave Howorth : > On Tue, 5 May 2020 21:20:24 +0200 > Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > > > Den tis 5 maj 2020 kl 08:38 skrev Luuk : > > > > > > > > On 4-5-2020 09:43, Brian Barker wrote: > > > > At 09:35 03/05/2020 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > > > >> Let's say I have a spreadsheet (I actually have several…) with a > > > >> lot of cells and ranges already filled with data and formulas. > > > >> One day I discover the range naming feature, so I name a few > > > >> cell ranges. Shouldn't there be some easy way to replace every > > > >> occurrence of those cell ranges in all my formulas? > > > > > > > > I don't think any automatic system could do exactly what you > > > > probably want. > > > > > > > What I probably want doesn't have anything to do with me. That's > > rather a matter of other peoples guesses about me and not relevant > > for anything. > > > > > > > > > Say your range is A1:B5 on Sheet1 and suppose you name this as > > > > Name. You may think that "Name" is now synonymous with "A1:B5", > > > > but no: instead it is shorthand for "$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$5". > > > > > > Great, that's exactly what I want. > > > > There are thirty-two > > > > variations on "Sheet1.A1:B5" you may have in your spreadsheet, > > > > each including a different combination of those dollar signs. As > > > > you will know, each version behaves differently if you fill > > > > ranges from a cell with a formula containing it, or if you copy > > > > and paste from such a cell. So the differences are important. By > > > > including "Name" in a formula, you are choosing to imply the > > > > anchored or absolute version of the range. > > > > > > > I can't see any problems with that. Maybe I don't follow. > > > > > > > > > > In order to preserve the precise meaning and behaviour of your > > > > existing formulae, any automatic system should replace a > > > > spelled-out reference only when it includes all five dollar > > > > signs. > > > > > > Yes, why would it do anything else than that? > > > > > > > But in practice > > > > one may rarely add all those dollar signs in formulae, instead > > > > using only as many are necessary for the filling or copying that > > > > one is expecting to need. > > > > > > Oh, I don't know anything about that. I only know I wouldn't, and if > > I did, it would be my fault only. I'm not expecting Calc to do the > > thinking for me. > > > > > > > I suspect you wouldn't be impressed if an automatic > > > > system failed to replace "A1:B5" or "A$1:B$5" with your newly > > > > defined "Name". > > > > > > No, I'm rarely impressed when things just work as expected. They just > > should. > > > > > > > But if it did, it would corrupt some spreadsheets that you or > > > > others might compose. > > > > > > > >> And when I say easy, I mean easier than doing search and replace > > > >> on each one of them one by one. I can't find such a feature. Is > > > >> there an extension for it? > > > > > > > > When you do this, you would need to determine in each case > > > > whether the replacement by the range name would be appropriate. > > > > And an automatic system could not do that for you. > > > > > > > No, that's just wrong. Only absolute references (those with $-signs > > everywhere) will be searched for, nothing else. Don't over complicate > > this now. > > > > > > > > >> I'm going to write a macro for it, ... > > > > > > > > Which of the thirty-two variations will it replace? > > > > > > > The one that Calc itself associates with the name, that is those with > > $-signs everywhere. I actually finished my macro instead of making up > > a lot of problems. > > It proved to be quite easy, actually: > > You can easily get any used n
Re: [libreoffice-users] Range names
On Tue, 5 May 2020 21:20:24 +0200 Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > Den tis 5 maj 2020 kl 08:38 skrev Luuk : > > > > > On 4-5-2020 09:43, Brian Barker wrote: > > > At 09:35 03/05/2020 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > > >> Let's say I have a spreadsheet (I actually have several…) with a > > >> lot of cells and ranges already filled with data and formulas. > > >> One day I discover the range naming feature, so I name a few > > >> cell ranges. Shouldn't there be some easy way to replace every > > >> occurrence of those cell ranges in all my formulas? > > > > > > I don't think any automatic system could do exactly what you > > > probably want. > > > > What I probably want doesn't have anything to do with me. That's > rather a matter of other peoples guesses about me and not relevant > for anything. > > > > > > Say your range is A1:B5 on Sheet1 and suppose you name this as > > > Name. You may think that "Name" is now synonymous with "A1:B5", > > > but no: instead it is shorthand for "$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$5". > > > Great, that's exactly what I want. > > There are thirty-two > > > variations on "Sheet1.A1:B5" you may have in your spreadsheet, > > > each including a different combination of those dollar signs. As > > > you will know, each version behaves differently if you fill > > > ranges from a cell with a formula containing it, or if you copy > > > and paste from such a cell. So the differences are important. By > > > including "Name" in a formula, you are choosing to imply the > > > anchored or absolute version of the range. > > > > I can't see any problems with that. Maybe I don't follow. > > > > > > In order to preserve the precise meaning and behaviour of your > > > existing formulae, any automatic system should replace a > > > spelled-out reference only when it includes all five dollar > > > signs. > > > Yes, why would it do anything else than that? > > > > But in practice > > > one may rarely add all those dollar signs in formulae, instead > > > using only as many are necessary for the filling or copying that > > > one is expecting to need. > > > Oh, I don't know anything about that. I only know I wouldn't, and if > I did, it would be my fault only. I'm not expecting Calc to do the > thinking for me. > > > > I suspect you wouldn't be impressed if an automatic > > > system failed to replace "A1:B5" or "A$1:B$5" with your newly > > > defined "Name". > > > No, I'm rarely impressed when things just work as expected. They just > should. > > > > But if it did, it would corrupt some spreadsheets that you or > > > others might compose. > > > > > >> And when I say easy, I mean easier than doing search and replace > > >> on each one of them one by one. I can't find such a feature. Is > > >> there an extension for it? > > > > > > When you do this, you would need to determine in each case > > > whether the replacement by the range name would be appropriate. > > > And an automatic system could not do that for you. > > > > No, that's just wrong. Only absolute references (those with $-signs > everywhere) will be searched for, nothing else. Don't over complicate > this now. > > > > > >> I'm going to write a macro for it, ... > > > > > > Which of the thirty-two variations will it replace? > > > > The one that Calc itself associates with the name, that is those with > $-signs everywhere. I actually finished my macro instead of making up > a lot of problems. > It proved to be quite easy, actually: > You can easily get any used name and its corresponding reference (or > ”address”) by index with: > lNameCount=ThisComponent.NamedRanges.getCount() > For lNameIndex=0 To lNameCount-1 > sName=ThisComponent.NamedRanges.getByIndex(lNameIndex).getName() > sAddress=ThisComponent.NamedRanges.getByIndex(lNameIndex).getContent() > ⁝ > ⁝ > Next lNameIndex > > sAddress in this case always looks something like $SomeSheet.$A1:$B75. Why isn't it: $SomeSheet.$A$1:$B$75 ? > Inside that loop I have another loop, that loops through all sheets. > When searching the same sheet as the Name is located, I also search > for $A1:$B75 kind of reference. > > It works great as far as I can tell, so far. Maybe I will run into > something in the future, who knows? > The only problem I saw so far is that at one point there was a > reference like this: $SomeSheet$A$1:$SomeSheet$B$75, that is with the > sheet name on both sides of the colon. I'm not sure how that could > happen. I'm pretty sure I didn't type that and so far I found no way > to make Calc doing that, so I'm not sure what went wrong there. Maybe > it was me after all. The macro seems to be very fast anyway, so I > guess I could make it take care of that kind of reference as well > with reasonable speed. > > > Kind regards > > Johnny Rosenberg > > > > > If every combination has a unique (range-)name, who cares? > > > > A1:B5 ==> range1 > > > > I tried to assign a name to such a reference, but Calc didn't like > that
Re: [libreoffice-users] Range names
Den tis 5 maj 2020 kl 08:38 skrev Luuk : > > On 4-5-2020 09:43, Brian Barker wrote: > > At 09:35 03/05/2020 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > >> Let's say I have a spreadsheet (I actually have several…) with a lot > >> of cells and ranges already filled with data and formulas. One day I > >> discover the range naming feature, so I name a few cell ranges. > >> Shouldn't there be some easy way to replace every occurrence of those > >> cell ranges in all my formulas? > > > > I don't think any automatic system could do exactly what you probably > > want. > What I probably want doesn't have anything to do with me. That's rather a matter of other peoples guesses about me and not relevant for anything. > > > Say your range is A1:B5 on Sheet1 and suppose you name this as Name. > > You may think that "Name" is now synonymous with "A1:B5", but no: > > instead it is shorthand for "$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$5". Great, that's exactly what I want. There are thirty-two > > variations on "Sheet1.A1:B5" you may have in your spreadsheet, each > > including a different combination of those dollar signs. As you will > > know, each version behaves differently if you fill ranges from a cell > > with a formula containing it, or if you copy and paste from such a > > cell. So the differences are important. By including "Name" in a > > formula, you are choosing to imply the anchored or absolute version of > > the range. > I can't see any problems with that. Maybe I don't follow. > > In order to preserve the precise meaning and behaviour of your > > existing formulae, any automatic system should replace a spelled-out > > reference only when it includes all five dollar signs. Yes, why would it do anything else than that? > But in practice > > one may rarely add all those dollar signs in formulae, instead using > > only as many are necessary for the filling or copying that one is > > expecting to need. Oh, I don't know anything about that. I only know I wouldn't, and if I did, it would be my fault only. I'm not expecting Calc to do the thinking for me. > I suspect you wouldn't be impressed if an automatic > > system failed to replace "A1:B5" or "A$1:B$5" with your newly defined > > "Name". No, I'm rarely impressed when things just work as expected. They just should. > But if it did, it would corrupt some spreadsheets that you or > > others might compose. > > > >> And when I say easy, I mean easier than doing search and replace on > >> each one of them one by one. I can't find such a feature. Is there an > >> extension for it? > > > > When you do this, you would need to determine in each case whether the > > replacement by the range name would be appropriate. And an automatic > > system could not do that for you. > No, that's just wrong. Only absolute references (those with $-signs everywhere) will be searched for, nothing else. Don't over complicate this now. > > >> I'm going to write a macro for it, ... > > > > Which of the thirty-two variations will it replace? > The one that Calc itself associates with the name, that is those with $-signs everywhere. I actually finished my macro instead of making up a lot of problems. It proved to be quite easy, actually: You can easily get any used name and its corresponding reference (or ”address”) by index with: lNameCount=ThisComponent.NamedRanges.getCount() For lNameIndex=0 To lNameCount-1 sName=ThisComponent.NamedRanges.getByIndex(lNameIndex).getName() sAddress=ThisComponent.NamedRanges.getByIndex(lNameIndex).getContent() ⁝ ⁝ Next lNameIndex sAddress in this case always looks something like $SomeSheet.$A1:$B75. Inside that loop I have another loop, that loops through all sheets. When searching the same sheet as the Name is located, I also search for $A1:$B75 kind of reference. It works great as far as I can tell, so far. Maybe I will run into something in the future, who knows? The only problem I saw so far is that at one point there was a reference like this: $SomeSheet$A$1:$SomeSheet$B$75, that is with the sheet name on both sides of the colon. I'm not sure how that could happen. I'm pretty sure I didn't type that and so far I found no way to make Calc doing that, so I'm not sure what went wrong there. Maybe it was me after all. The macro seems to be very fast anyway, so I guess I could make it take care of that kind of reference as well with reasonable speed. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg > If every combination has a unique (range-)name, who cares? > > A1:B5 ==> range1 > I tried to assign a name to such a reference, but Calc didn't like that very much… I get Error 522 (circular reference) every time I try to use the name. Maybe it's a bug. > > A1:B$5 ==> range2 > > A1$:B5 => someOtherRange > The last one is not valid (#NAME?), so not a good example. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg > > > > > > I trust this helps. > > > > Brian Barker > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? >
Re: [libreoffice-users] Range names
On 4-5-2020 09:43, Brian Barker wrote: At 09:35 03/05/2020 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Let's say I have a spreadsheet (I actually have several…) with a lot of cells and ranges already filled with data and formulas. One day I discover the range naming feature, so I name a few cell ranges. Shouldn't there be some easy way to replace every occurrence of those cell ranges in all my formulas? I don't think any automatic system could do exactly what you probably want. Say your range is A1:B5 on Sheet1 and suppose you name this as Name. You may think that "Name" is now synonymous with "A1:B5", but no: instead it is shorthand for "$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$5". There are thirty-two variations on "Sheet1.A1:B5" you may have in your spreadsheet, each including a different combination of those dollar signs. As you will know, each version behaves differently if you fill ranges from a cell with a formula containing it, or if you copy and paste from such a cell. So the differences are important. By including "Name" in a formula, you are choosing to imply the anchored or absolute version of the range. In order to preserve the precise meaning and behaviour of your existing formulae, any automatic system should replace a spelled-out reference only when it includes all five dollar signs. But in practice one may rarely add all those dollar signs in formulae, instead using only as many are necessary for the filling or copying that one is expecting to need. I suspect you wouldn't be impressed if an automatic system failed to replace "A1:B5" or "A$1:B$5" with your newly defined "Name". But if it did, it would corrupt some spreadsheets that you or others might compose. And when I say easy, I mean easier than doing search and replace on each one of them one by one. I can't find such a feature. Is there an extension for it? When you do this, you would need to determine in each case whether the replacement by the range name would be appropriate. And an automatic system could not do that for you. I'm going to write a macro for it, ... Which of the thirty-two variations will it replace? If every combination has a unique (range-)name, who cares? A1:B5 ==> range1 A1:B$5 ==> range2 A1$:B5 => someOtherRange I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Range names
At 09:35 03/05/2020 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Let's say I have a spreadsheet (I actually have several ) with a lot of cells and ranges already filled with data and formulas. One day I discover the range naming feature, so I name a few cell ranges. Shouldn't there be some easy way to replace every occurrence of those cell ranges in all my formulas? I don't think any automatic system could do exactly what you probably want. Say your range is A1:B5 on Sheet1 and suppose you name this as Name. You may think that "Name" is now synonymous with "A1:B5", but no: instead it is shorthand for "$Sheet1.$A$1:$B$5". There are thirty-two variations on "Sheet1.A1:B5" you may have in your spreadsheet, each including a different combination of those dollar signs. As you will know, each version behaves differently if you fill ranges from a cell with a formula containing it, or if you copy and paste from such a cell. So the differences are important. By including "Name" in a formula, you are choosing to imply the anchored or absolute version of the range. In order to preserve the precise meaning and behaviour of your existing formulae, any automatic system should replace a spelled-out reference only when it includes all five dollar signs. But in practice one may rarely add all those dollar signs in formulae, instead using only as many are necessary for the filling or copying that one is expecting to need. I suspect you wouldn't be impressed if an automatic system failed to replace "A1:B5" or "A$1:B$5" with your newly defined "Name". But if it did, it would corrupt some spreadsheets that you or others might compose. And when I say easy, I mean easier than doing search and replace on each one of them one by one. I can't find such a feature. Is there an extension for it? When you do this, you would need to determine in each case whether the replacement by the range name would be appropriate. And an automatic system could not do that for you. I'm going to write a macro for it, ... Which of the thirty-two variations will it replace? I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Range names
Hi Johnny. I came up against this issue last year after needing to open an excel sheet in Calc. Excel allows range names that Calc doesn't so the sheet wouldn't work. I wanted to rename the offending excel ranges. I couldn't find a solution like you seek. steve On 03/05/2020 19:35, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > Hi! > > I'm just wondering if I'm missing something. > Let's say I have a spreadsheet (I actually have several…) with a lot of > cells and ranges already filled with data and formulas. One day I discover > the range naming feature, so I name a few cell ranges. Shouldn't there be > some easy way to replace every occurrence of those cell ranges in all my > formulas? And when I say easy, I mean easier than doing search and replace > on each one of them one by one. I can't find such a feature. Is there an > extension for it? > > I'm going to write a macro for it, but I find it meaningless to write a > macro for something that's already there, so that's why I ask this question > in the first place. > > > Kind regards > > Johnny Rosenberg > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Range names
Hi! I'm just wondering if I'm missing something. Let's say I have a spreadsheet (I actually have several…) with a lot of cells and ranges already filled with data and formulas. One day I discover the range naming feature, so I name a few cell ranges. Shouldn't there be some easy way to replace every occurrence of those cell ranges in all my formulas? And when I say easy, I mean easier than doing search and replace on each one of them one by one. I can't find such a feature. Is there an extension for it? I'm going to write a macro for it, but I find it meaningless to write a macro for something that's already there, so that's why I ask this question in the first place. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
