Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:44:49 +0200 hdv@gmail hdv.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-08-29 13:59, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files. I thought i was on LO 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded. I'm out of the office for a few hours again but could check later. Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share. No other files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them. [snip] Some additional data I just received from one of the colleagues. This problem also appeared on Windows 7 and 8 clients. Funny this popped-up when it did. We just had a HelpDesk report, last week, of a similar problem. .xls files that a user had been opening for read for years all-of-a-sudden wouldn't open. Windows 7 and (if memory serves) MSO 2007. File modification dates indicated they hadn't been modified in years. I tested it on my desktop (Ubuntu 13.x, IIRC) and LO would churn for a while, then emit a something wrong in the format/encoding/something kind of an error and bail. (Sorry for the useless error message info. I never bothered recording it because I never believed it to be an LO problem.) I copied the files to my local machine, using scp, and they opened right up. I created a parallel directory on the server, copied the files from the original directory into that, and they opened just fine. I deleted the original directory and renamed the new one to the original's name, and they opened just fine. I'm suspecting a Samba screw-up (cached metadata?), on the server, in my case. But one of the more technically versed persons thought it might have to do with the quality of the network connection. [snip] Not in my case. Both the server in question and my desktop are connected to the backbone switch with very short (less than 10m) cable runs. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
On 2014-09-01 00:56, Jim Seymour wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:44:49 +0200 hdv@gmail hdv.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-08-29 13:59, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files. I thought i was on LO 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded. I'm out of the office for a few hours again but could check later. Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share. No other files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them. [snip] Some additional data I just received from one of the colleagues. This problem also appeared on Windows 7 and 8 clients. Funny this popped-up when it did. We just had a HelpDesk report, last week, of a similar problem. .xls files that a user had been opening for read for years all-of-a-sudden wouldn't open. Windows 7 and (if memory serves) MSO 2007. File modification dates indicated they hadn't been modified in years. I tested it on my desktop (Ubuntu 13.x, IIRC) and LO would churn for a while, then emit a something wrong in the format/encoding/something kind of an error and bail. (Sorry for the useless error message info. I never bothered recording it because I never believed it to be an LO problem.) I copied the files to my local machine, using scp, and they opened right up. I created a parallel directory on the server, copied the files from the original directory into that, and they opened just fine. I deleted the original directory and renamed the new one to the original's name, and they opened just fine. Did you notice the permissions and owner on the server of the older files and newer ones. Did the permissions change when you copied the files. There is also a tick box in optionsGeneral to use LO open/save dialogue boxes. I don't know if that changes anything. steve I'm suspecting a Samba screw-up (cached metadata?), on the server, in my case. But one of the more technically versed persons thought it might have to do with the quality of the network connection. [snip] Not in my case. Both the server in question and my desktop are connected to the backbone switch with very short (less than 10m) cable runs. Regards, Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:41:44 +1200 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: [snip] Did you notice the permissions and owner on the server of the older files and newer ones. Did the permissions change when you copied the files. There is also a tick box in optionsGeneral to use LO open/save dialogue boxes. I don't know if that changes anything. [snip] The originals had owner execute permissions, whereas the copies did not. The copies ended up with current modification dates. Otherwise permissions and every other aspect of directory and files were unchanged. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
On 2014-09-01 06:54, Jim Seymour wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:41:44 +1200 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: [snip] Did you notice the permissions and owner on the server of the older files and newer ones. Did the permissions change when you copied the files. There is also a tick box in optionsGeneral to use LO open/save dialogue boxes. I don't know if that changes anything. [snip] The originals had owner execute permissions, whereas the copies did not. The copies ended up with current modification dates. Otherwise permissions and every other aspect of directory and files were unchanged. Hi. Some guff follows, but it would be interesting to see if the owner executable made a difference if its somehow got mixed in with DOS compatibility settings. Another possibility might be to ask on the devs list how network file access in LO may differ from what you find is working for other files. I have this vague recollection on our server 2 machines ago (older version samba) that I could open a LO file by double clicking in the file browser but not in the LO file open dialogue, or vice versa. Or may be it was I could open a file on a network share mounted locally but not by browsing the network. This all came right when I updated the server and started with cifs. Steve Note that there is no bit to specify that a file is executable. DOS and Windows NT filesystems identify executable files by giving them the extensions .EXE, .COM, .CMD, or .BAT. Consequently, there is no use for any of the three Unix executable bits that are present on a file in a Samba disk share. DOS files, however, have their own attributes that need to be preserved when they are stored in a Unix environment: the archive, system, and hidden bits. Samba can preserve these bits by reusing the executable permission bits of the file on the Unix side - if it is instructed to do so. Mapping these bits, however, has an unfortunate side-effect: if a Windows user stores a file in a Samba share, and you view it on Unix with the |ls| |-al| command, some of the executable bits won't mean what you'd expect them to. Three Samba options decide whether the bits are mapped: |map| |archive|, |map| |system |, and |map| |hidden|. These options map the archive, system, and hidden attributes to the owner, group, and world execute bits of the file, respectively. You can add these options to the |[data]| share, setting each of their values as follows: [data] path = /home/samba/data browseable = yes guest ok = yes writeable = yes map archive = yes map system = yes map hidden = yes After that, try creating a file in the share under Unix - such as |hello.java| - and change the permissions of the file to 755. With these Samba options set, you should be able to check the permissions on the Windows side and see that each of the three values has been checked in the Properties dialog box. What about the read-only attribute? By default, Samba 2.0 sets this whenever a file does not have the Unix owner write permission bit set. In other words, you can set this bit by changing the permissions of the file to 555. We should warn you that the default value of the |map| |archive| option is |yes|, while the other two options have a default value of |no|. This is because many programs do not work properly if the archive bit is not stored correctly for DOS and Windows files. The system and hidden attributes, however, are not critical for a program's operation and are left to the discretion of the administrator. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
Hi :) It could easily be a network problem. I'm not convinced our network is working as it should but various people have tested it and said it's fine. Caligra opened the network files with no problem. Refused to open them from the File - Open claiming that only local files could be opened. However when i went to the network share and double-clicked on the file it opened just fine in Caligra Author Still got to read through some of those links that Steve sent me on Friday Many thanks! Good luck and regards from Tom :) On 29 August 2014 15:44, hdv@gmail hdv.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-08-29 13:59, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files. I thought i was on LO 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded. I'm out of the office for a few hours again but could check later. Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share. No other files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them. I've not tried using AbiWord but from what Alex is saying i suspect it is only LO and maybe only certain versions. I've still not tried Steve's links but hopefully might try those later. Thanks HdV for confirming! :) I thought i had just done somethign weird when installing Kubuntu. Some additional data I just received from one of the colleagues. This problem also appeared on Windows 7 and 8 clients. But one of the more technically versed persons thought it might have to do with the quality of the network connection. That was because using the same laptop and NAS but connected to another WLAN he did not have these problems. That first network is indeed not constant in speed and sometimes slows down to a crawl (although it doesn't lose its connection altogether). He thought (but has not confirmed) that these problems were appearing mostly when that network was playing up. Maybe that information is of use to those trying to solve this. Grx HdV -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
On 2014-08-30 14:58, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It could easily be a network problem. I'm not convinced our network is working as it should but various people have tested it and said it's fine. Caligra opened the network files with no problem. Refused to open them from the File - Open claiming that only local files could be opened. However when i went to the network share and double-clicked on the file it opened just fine in Caligra Author Still got to read through some of those links that Steve sent me on Friday Many thanks! Good luck and regards from Hi Tom, Same here. Other applications don't seem to have this problem at the same moment LO does show them. Therfore I don't think it will be the network itself. But maybe LO uses a component that is sensitive to a less than stellar network performance when opening files over the network. However that is only guessing and not based on any form of decent testing. Grx HdV -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
Hi :) I have tried a different file-browser and still same problems. Other types of files that are on the network opened fine so it's only when trying to open them in LibreOffice that there is a problem. A different machine with Ubuntu on it opens the same files just fine so it's something between Kubuntu and LibreOffice. Things i have not tried yet is installing the untweaked version of LO directly from the official website. I have tried the one in the default repos and the one in the ppa. Also Steve Edmonds gave me some links to the archives and i've not worked through any of those yet. So, still got some things to try but wondering if anyone has a quickeasy fix Regards from Tom :) On 28 August 2014 23:10, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: Hi. Old debian will be samba most likely. I think samba had some issue with LO. Check out accessing another file first (a txt file or something). A quick look in my mail box has these subjects Re: [libreoffice-users] save as on a samba server (2011) RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Documents Not Opening On External Drive (2011) [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice can't open remote file from samba shared directory (2012) [libreoffice-users] Re: locked in other OS (2012) Steve On 2014-08-29 09:51, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Err, when i say old debian i mean i can't install stuff because it's so old. Of course on the desktop machine i can use sudo to temporarily act as Root. I've never used openSuSE but i get the feeling that whichever one you are closest to and more familiar with is the one you are most likely to have spotted the awkward bits of. Regards from Tom :) On 28 August 2014 22:42, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) Thanks! :) I am a bit lost with all this tbh! The file-server is an old debian. I could try editing the fstab but automounting a file-share makes me worry about what happens if the file-share goes off-line. I have no idea what the cifs stuff is doing. I think our server uses samba shares but i'm not sure if that's the same or different. Regards from Tom :) On 28 August 2014 22:37, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: Search through nabble. There has been similar discussion previously a while back. I think to do with mandatory locking or byte locking, nbl option or something. What file server are you running. I mount my shares from the network on my machine in my login script rather than browse the network for files. That way any network files I would normally access from my machine are available when I ssh into it rather than have to go to each different file server to fetch a file. i.e. an example I use on my home network, the workplace arrangement is similar, in .profile I have #new mount.cifs with lines in fstab and credential file ((mount|grep //10.2.1.248/steve) || /sbin/mount.cifs //10.2.1.248/steve /home/steve/network/NAS/steve) ((mount|grep //10.2.1.248/public) || /sbin/mount.cifs // 10.2.1.248/public /home/steve/network/NAS/public) And in /etc/fstab //10.2.1.248/public /home/steve/network/NAS/public cifs noauto,user,credentials=/home/steve/.stardomcred,nosetuids,rw 0 0 Oh yeah, and one frustrating thing is that in suse the mount command is not user executable so I have to fix that. -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 40112 Nov 5 2012 /usr/bin/mount Steve On 2014-08-29 07:45, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Ahh, i tried both ways but i think both go through Dolphin don't they? I've used Dolphin on non-KDE when Nautilus let me down with network-shares on a different network and it worked a treat then. I didn't think of trying a different file-browser. Konqueror is another good KDE one isn't it? I am not sure how the network drive has been mounted. It has just occurred to me that i didn't try opening any other types of files over the network before leaving the office. I'm at home now and ssh'd into the company network so i can reinstall LibreOffice remotely and i'd already torrented both Fresh and Still so i have got choices wrt that. Thanks for the hints! Gives me things to try :)) Regards from Tom :) On 28 August 2014 20:29, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: Hi again, are you opening from the LO file menu or clicking on the file in Dolphin. Steve On 2014-08-29 05:30, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Err, i just tried renaming the user-profile and it had no effect. Regards from Tom :) On 28 August 2014 18:20, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) On Kubuntu 14.04 with LibreOffice 4.2.4 I can open files that are on the desktop machine i am sitting in front of but when i try to open files that are on the network i just get the little splash-screen and progress-bar but then LO crashes. Hmm, KDE is a bit different from what i am used to so i'm still hunting for LO's User Profile and also wondering if i should uninstall LO and download the proper one from our mad
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
Hi :) Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files. I thought i was on LO 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded. I'm out of the office for a few hours again but could check later. Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share. No other files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them. I've not tried using AbiWord but from what Alex is saying i suspect it is only LO and maybe only certain versions. I've still not tried Steve's links but hopefully might try those later. Thanks HdV for confirming! :) I thought i had just done somethign weird when installing Kubuntu. Regards from Tom :) On 29 August 2014 12:44, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 29/08/2014 12:37, hdv@gmail a écrit : Hi, P.S. To be honest, I have neglected til now to file a bug-report for this. Should have done so, but somehow I never did. There have already been several bug reports about this. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
On 2014-08-29 13:59, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files. I thought i was on LO 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded. I'm out of the office for a few hours again but could check later. Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share. No other files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them. I've not tried using AbiWord but from what Alex is saying i suspect it is only LO and maybe only certain versions. I've still not tried Steve's links but hopefully might try those later. Thanks HdV for confirming! :) I thought i had just done somethign weird when installing Kubuntu. Some additional data I just received from one of the colleagues. This problem also appeared on Windows 7 and 8 clients. But one of the more technically versed persons thought it might have to do with the quality of the network connection. That was because using the same laptop and NAS but connected to another WLAN he did not have these problems. That first network is indeed not constant in speed and sometimes slows down to a crawl (although it doesn't lose its connection altogether). He thought (but has not confirmed) that these problems were appearing mostly when that network was playing up. Maybe that information is of use to those trying to solve this. Grx HdV -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
