[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2
On 04/20/2011 07:21 AM, planas wrote: ... The only time I have ever see an office suite removed is when I used the Ubuntu repository to install LO, OOo was removed by the OS. This is a Linux only issue when using the repository. I do not know if other Linux distros do this. If you installed LO without using the Ubuntu software management you can install LO along side OOo. The installation of other suites (KOffice in Linux) or office software does not affect LO in Linux. And therein lies the problem with the Ubuntu PPA and everything associated with it. Hence the reason why you should just install directly from http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ Anyone that is foolish enough to follow the advise on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice should have their head examined. Not only does Fabian Rodriguez advise against using the LO debs: quote If you're using Ubuntu, don't install LibreOffice manually from the .deb files available at LibreOffice.org. Otherwise you will not get automatic updates upgrades when new versions come out and you will be missing the integration to Ubuntu. Using official packages also ensures you get the best assistance from the community as this is the recommended method to install use LibreOffice in Ubuntu. /quote He then goes on to advise this: quote Please note OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice don't coexist. Install LibreOffice following these instructions will effectively remove OpenOffice.org. /quote Now, if you are of a mind to muck about with the Ubuntu PPA's and wish to help them troubleshoot the mess, be my guest have at it. Also notice: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa https://bugs.launchpad.net/~libreoffice has zaro bugs. This is because all of the Ubuntu users that have installed this PPA version wind up reporting the bugs in the standard LO or Unbuntu OOo. Fabian neglects to mention that the Ubuntu related bugs should be filed here instead: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice or is it: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa For questions and bugs with software in this PPA please contact LibreOffice Packaging. https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice https://bugs.launchpad.net/~libreoffice Just install from LO unless you are using Ubuntu Natty (aka the next linux Vista) 11.04 and be done with it. ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2
Hi :) There seems to be an assumption that MS Office would be un-installed or that people would be forced to stop using MS Office and that the change would have to be implemented 'overnight'. None of that assumption is valid. People could and probably would continue to use MS Office but would gain access to the extra functionality offered in LibreOffice. This is much the same as Adobe Acrobat Writer which office workers are often expected to install or upgrade in order to read pdf. Pdf is dominant on websites as THE way that documents are available for download. Often there is a download link nearby in case anyone has not got the latest version. People seem to consider it completely normal to have to download and update Acrobat but it doesn't stop them using MS Office. Regards from Tom :) From: Glenn glenns...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 20 April, 2011 8:35:14 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2 All, I agree with many to a large extent. You can't expect business to be smart enough or even care enough to act in the best interest of their customers. The right thing is never thoroughly examined, much less even considered, and the paying user is thereby cheated. Glenn inOn 4/19/11 7:08 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 4/19/11 4:57 AM, t...@iafrica.com wrote: You simply cannot expect a commercial concern who have already spent a fortune on MS licences to download and use LibO just because I want to send them an non-standard slide show. They won't change therefore if I want the business I have to end of story. This is generally my thought/point about MS and the lack of willingness of big business to abandon Windows XP for Vista and/or Windows 7. If you want a business to change to a different OS and/or software package, you are going to have to provide something business sees as a smart, cost effective change. Being free just doesn't cut it, since that doesn't take into the account the number of paid manhours it would take to make the swap, a swap which would include training, and being able to access years of company records. Ken -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2
On 4/20/11 5:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There seems to be an assumption that MS Office would be un-installed or that people would be forced to stop using MS Office and that the change would have to be implemented 'overnight'. None of that assumption is valid. Agreed, it would be a gradual change, but it would change. Having two office suites installed means more work for IT support for the program and it's features, plus supporting the interchange of files. And, you will always have those users who will not make a voluntary switch from old to new until forced, causing continuing difficulty is sharing files. I'm not IT, but been there done that when the switch was made from WordPerfect (the better program IMO) to MS Word. People could and probably would continue to use MS Office but would gain access to the extra functionality offered in LibreOffice. This is much the same as Adobe Acrobat Writer which office workers are often expected to install or upgrade in order to read pdf. Pdf is dominant on websites as THE way that documents are available for download. Often there is a download link nearby in case anyone has not got the latest version. People seem to consider it completely normal to have to download and update Acrobat but it doesn't stop them using MS Office. I suspect no one considers having a special program to read PDF's as being strange is because only recently have office suites started to be able to read and create PDF files. I haven't used MS Office for a long time now, but if memory serves, 2003 can't do anything with them, 2007 can only create. I don't know about 2010. I've not done any kind of comparison, but I'd bet no office suite can match the features of Adobe Reader 9. And I'd bet 10 has even more features. So, until the office suites can meet or exceed Reader's abilities to work with PDF files, there's going to be a separate program to read and manipulate them, plus Acrobat or similar to create them. Ken -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2
On 4/19/11 4:57 AM, t...@iafrica.com wrote: You simply cannot expect a commercial concern who have already spent a fortune on MS licences to download and use LibO just because I want to send them an non-standard slide show. They won't change therefore if I want the business I have to end of story. This is generally my thought/point about MS and the lack of willingness of big business to abandon Windows XP for Vista and/or Windows 7. If you want a business to change to a different OS and/or software package, you are going to have to provide something business sees as a smart, cost effective change. Being free just doesn't cut it, since that doesn't take into the account the number of paid manhours it would take to make the swap, a swap which would include training, and being able to access years of company records. Ken -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
