[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Hi! I wasn't able to view the pictures in your message, in both Nabble and mailing list. I only get plain text. I have been trying out LibreOffice on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS in VMware player today. Everything is working fine. No all these windows bugs. - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094685.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
This reply goes to every one who has offered their help. I just want to say thank you. I have tried out LO on Ubuntu 12.04 and on Windows 7 in a VM, and these issues are simply almost gone on the Linux platform but remain the same on the virtual Windows. I will briefly answer all my questions in the following, with a short summary. Environment: Ubuntu 12.04 64bit in VMWare, clean install; LibreOffice 4.1.4.2, deb package; extra fonts copied from Windows to support CJK chars in plane 2 (though the AR UL font also supports this), Tibetan script (using Microsoft Himalaya), Burmese (not sure if Ubuntu has a supporting font so just copied one), Gothic (using Code2000 fonts or Segoe UI Symbol) and more signs (using Segoe UI Symbol). ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote 1. no unicode code point entry field in the dialog This is UNNECESSARY for Ubuntu/Linux because I have learned it has built-in support for direct keyboard input of unicode characters without limitation found in Windows (that you can only enter a code point lower than U+1 using keyboard direct input). ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote 2. wrong detection of unicode ranges This is NOT observed in LO on Ubuntu. All fonts are properly detected of their supported unicode ranges. And yes, LO follows the Unicode Standard in this. ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote 3. limited support for fonts with non-zero plane glyphs This is NOT observed in LO on Ubuntu. Full range support for these fonts, including those of which LO don't show their non-zero plane glyphs in Windows. ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote 4. no built-in mechanism to produce glyphs from typed code points This is UNNECESSARY for Ubuntu/Linux. See issue 1. ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote 5. unstable detection of unicode ranges: weird behaviors in the Special Characters dialog As of this post is composed, I haven't experienced any such behavior. Seeing that the unicode ranges are also correctly detected and fully supported here, I am confident this won't happen in Ubuntu/Linux. ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote 6. broken bi-di display (on same line ) in mixed-script document This is NOT observed in LO on Ubuntu if you copy text from a web browser or type in text. However, if you try to open an HTML page straight from LO, which I do so only for testing, the display do get screwed up. ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote 7. Broken glyph display in mixed-script document This is NOT observed in LO on Ubuntu if you assign a proper language to the text. If you don't, the glyphs may show up as blobs, but once you set it right, the glyphs are shown proper. Try it with Tibetan and Gothic. ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote 8. problematic character spacing This is NOT observed in LO on Ubuntu if you assign a proper language to the text. If you don't, the glyphs may display errneously, but once you set it right, the glyphs are shown proper. Try it with Thai. ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote 9. wrong font information for mixed language documents There is ongoing discussion of the issue of automatic font selection, but at least you don't make your glyph go wrong by using a wrong font. Verdict: Unicode support of LO is much better on Ubuntu/Linux than on Windows, speaking of non-zero plane code points and complex scripts. This is possibly due to originality of LO as a Linux application later ported to Windows platform, and also due to Windows' running parallel in Unicode and ANSI modes, the latter for backward compatibility. I'll perhaps try LO out on a Windows 8.1 system in a VM if possible, and if I do that I'll continue to update this post. - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094686.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
I have tested LO for these issues on Ubuntu in a VM. Now I am much more confident that the problems I've described are Windows-specific issues and not directly related to LO itself. See my own reply to these problems. These issues may have arisen during the porting of LO to Windows, or may be purely Windows' fault at all. Thanks for your elaboration on Unicode knowledge. - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094687.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
On 30/01/14 17:45, ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote: Environment: Ubuntu 12.04 64bit in VMWare, clean install Isn't that the wrong way round? Shouldn't it be Windows in VMWare on Ubuntu? ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Gordon Burgess-Parker-3 wrote Isn't that the wrong way round? Shouldn't it be Windows in VMWare on Ubuntu? ;-) Yeah, for so many years I have been keeping my self from the wonderful world of Linux, getting stuck here and there on the Windows platform .What a mistake! - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Solved-Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-an-tp4094290p4094794.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Hi :) Only if you want it the stable and robust way around by adding the strengths of both OSes rather than adding their weaknesses. Regards from Tom :) On 30 January 2014 17:50, Gordon Burgess-Parker gor...@gbpcomputing.co.uk wrote: On 30/01/14 17:45, ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote: Environment: Ubuntu 12.04 64bit in VMWare, clean install Isn't that the wrong way round? Shouldn't it be Windows in VMWare on Ubuntu? ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
CVAlkan wrote with Linux at least, Writer sometimes helps too much by silently substituting fonts for you and doesn't always make good choices - leading to it looking like one font (which you know has the character you want) is in use, when it really isn't. Hi, sadly (and interestingly) I feel like my Writer's helping too little by not accepting my font settings at all. Take the fork and knife character (U+1F374) as an example again. Following your advice, I tried three things.1. changing font settings in Format→Character2. changing font settings for the Default style which is in use3. changing language settings to None as this character is a sign, not part of any writing system.But I still get square ... - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094493.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Hi, Peter! Peter Maunder wrote Is their any reason you are still using the MS CP936 on your system rather than Unicode.? This is for downward compatibility with older programs not supporting Unicode. Every Windows distribution has this option, in Win7 it's in Control Panel→Region and Language→Administration→Language for Non-Unicode programs. It by default the corresponding code page for your OS language. Unicode programs use UTF-16 and non-unicode ones use CP936. Windows does the translation for API calls.I list this out because I have experienced language encoding issues with programs originally in English, notably with commandline applications like Perl. Windows is notorious for having Unicode bugs in its commandline interface. Peter Maunder wrote (the replacement character) are a different matter and often found when you cut and paste in windows system when the character sets do not match. Thanks for pointing out this difference. I agree with your opinion that LO conforms to Unicode Standard.But the problem remains that LO could not display a glyph though the right font has been set. This is not a single case. Actually all glyphs not exposed in the Special Characters dialog for a certain font cannot be displayed, despite that the font supports them. You can test this using FreeSerif, Code2002 and Segoe UI Symbol. Peter Maunder wrote When I type Ogham, which is very seldom, I just enter the Unicode directly (I am using Ubuntu) using the keys. LibO is set up to substitute for the missing glyphs. Is the direct Unicode input one feature of LO or that of the Linux system? Windows has a limited support for direct Unicode input for code points =U+. - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094503.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Sadly the way MS Office uses styles tends to introduce weirdnesses so a lot of people seem unwilling to try to understand them at all. I'll second that. One of the weirdest thing with styling in MSO is that format and style sometimes get mixed up, which is well exemplified by what Word calls create styles from formats. Many users would start to get confused with the two concepts, and many more end up with documents having various unncessary styles. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094485.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Well there are three main issues that meet here and it helps me to keep them separate. I hope I am not confusing matters further by describing them. 1) Unicode, which your system supports, the standard characters that the system understands. 2) The Fonts you are using and are installed on your system, the characters they support. 3) Libreoffice using and depends on Unicode and the fonts. A little history. Unicode 5.0 was released July 2006. It encoded 99,089 characters. Unicode 5.1 was released March 2008. It encoded 100,713 characters. Unicode 5.2 was released in October 2009. It encoded 107,361 characters. Unicode 6.0 was released in October 2010. It encoded 109,449 characters. As of today 6.3 is the current version. There is plenty of space left before the million + spaces are filled. Unicode 5 has a gap between U+1D7FF and 2F800 On my system Ubuntu 12.04 with LibreOffice 4.2 using the DejaVuSans font. U+1F637 gives in DejaVuSans but the fork and knife character (U+1F374) which is a part of Unicode 6.0 and is not in the font shows up on my system as or a blank box. I can insert the face as a special character, and both the characters using the keyboard U+1Fxxx So it appears the system recognises Unicode 6.3. The font recognises the face but not the knife and fork and LibreOffice uses the two. If I had a font with the correct Unicode knife and fork, I assume that would also show up. But you will need a font that is new enough to show the character. Hope this helps.. Peter -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094519.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Thanks for the suggestion. After reading your reply, I suspect this might be issues of LibreOffice on Windows (or more precisely Windows with asian code page configured for non-Unicode applications) but not on Linux. Peter Maunder wrote I can insert the face as a special character, and both the characters using the keyboard U+1Fxxx I also have DejaVu Sans installed on my Windows. In Microsoft Word 2010, I can insert the face as a special character (and paste them into Windows 7 notepad/wordpad). In LibreOffice 4.1.4.2, I am not given any glyphs from this font beyond U+FFEF. I see a number of readable glyphs not in the typeface of DejaVu Sans but resembles Chinese font outlines. Besides, at first attempt, I can see some glyphs in the SMP plane from DejaVU *Serif*, but after fiddling with the Special Characters dialog for one minute or two, I am no longer able to see these glyphs in this font. As for keyboard direct input, Windows appear to be somehow lagging behind, allowing no non-zero plane code points. Peter Maunder wrote So it appears the system recognises Unicode 6.3. The font recognises the face but not the knife and fork and LibreOffice uses the two. In my case, and possible in Windows' case, the system recognises Unicode 6.3. The font recognises the face but not the knife and fork, but LibreOffice uses neither of the two. - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094530.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote Thanks for the suggestion. After reading your reply, I suspect this might be issues of LibreOffice on Windows (or more precisely Windows with asian code page configured for non-Unicode applications) but not on Linux. As for keyboard direct input, Windows appear to be somehow lagging behind, allowing no non-zero plane code points. I agree that this is probably not a LibreOffice issue. If you are using a multitude of exotic code blocks and fonts you need to be very careful to keep to the International code point standards. You also need to check that you are using the same copy of the fonts and that you do not have various versions confusing the issue. It certainly makes this easier to use Unicode which is why it is the default for the Internet. ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote In my case, and possible in Windows' case, the system recognises Unicode 6.3. The font recognises the face but not the knife and fork, but LibreOffice uses neither of the two. You say that your system is not defined as Unicode, therefore it doesn't recognise Unicode 6.3. It will then depend on whether the fonts you are using do actually have the same characters at the same code point, and are not variations. LibreOffice uses Unicode as much as your system supports the code points. I think that 6.3 is rather a red herring as it is the font that needs the character. The �� character that you sometimes see in emails replacing an apostrophe is a good example of mixing character sets and overwriting Unicode. Anyway, gives you something to think about, goof luck.. Peter -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094545.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
OT: On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:45 AM, ♪͡♪♪͡♪♪͡♪♪͡♪ gisrup2...@126.com wrote: - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) in Chrome, I see 3 characters and a blank box. In Firefox and Seamonkey, I see three characters and a box with 4A 3B on two lines. I'm running Xubuntu 12.04 with the 3.8 kernel. Just interesting MR -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Hi, Relative to 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) in Ubuntu 13.10 with Unity, in Thunderbird e-mail the 4 characters are present. If I paste the same in LO Write from the Document Foundation 4.1.4.2 they also show up a 4 characters. Don On 01/29/2014 08:55 AM, ♪͡♪♪͡♪♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote: CVAlkan wrote with Linux at least, Writer sometimes helps too much by silently substituting fonts for you and doesn't always make good choices - leading to it looking like one font (which you know has the character you want) is in use, when it really isn't. Hi, sadly (and interestingly) I feel like my Writer's helping too little by not accepting my font settings at all. Take the fork and knife character (U+1F374) as an example again. Following your advice, I tried three things.1. changing font settings in Format→Character2. changing font settings for the Default style which is in use3. changing language settings to None as this character is a sign, not part of any writing system.But I still get square ... - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094493.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- *~~* Don C. Myers Manager, Farm and Rural Property Division e-PRO Certified by the National Association of Realtors Don's Cell Phone: 814-571-9518, Don's Home Phone: 814-422-8111 Don's E-mail: donmy...@myersfarm.com mailto:donmy...@myersfarm.com *RE/MAX Centre Realty **1375 Martin Street, State College, PA 16803* Office Phone: 814-231-8200 Fax: 814-231-8220 Visit the Farm and Rural Property Division web site at _www.CentralPaRuralProperty.com http://www.CentralPaRuralProperty.com/ _ Visit the RE/MAX Centre Realty main web site at _www.StateCollegeHomeSales.com http://www.statecollegehomesales.com/ _ View Don's Farm Web Site at www.myersfarm.com http://www.myersfarm.com/ *~~* -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
MR ZenWiz wrote OT: in Chrome, I see 3 characters and a blank box. In Firefox and Seamonkey, I see three characters and a box with 4A 3B on two lines. Your browsers supports Unicode CJK characters, but either they do not associate a proper display font for the CJK Unified Ideographs Extension A range, or your system does not come with a font that supports glyphs (particularly this glyph) in this range. - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094598.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Tractor wrote in Ubuntu 13.10 with Unity, in Thunderbird e-mail the 4 characters are present. If I paste the same in LO Write from the Document Foundation 4.1.4.2 they also show up a 4 characters. Your browser probably has full support for CJK characters in the basic multilingual plane. I'm curious what font LO uses to display these 4 chars, as I am gradually shifting to Linux platform as a beginner. - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094599.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Thanks again. I am planning to check these issues in virtual machine with Windows or Linux installed, which I think would yield some more helpful results. I'm afraid I did not make myself clear regarding the non-Unicode support in Windows. I am confident that my OS is set up with Unicode support. The CP set-up is just in parallel. In fact each running Windows system has the two encoding systems running simultaneously, typcially using CP437 for English environments. I will come back with test results on these issues. - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094601.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Hi Neil, At work, my e-mail is automatically downloaded to Thunderbird and comes off the server. At home it is automatically downloaded but stays on the server. So I checked the characters here at home tonight in both Firefox and Chrome. Here is what I have: (I've enlarged them for clarity.) Firefox: Characters Firefox Chrome Browser Characters Chrome Browser I have a standard US version of Ubuntu 13.10 with Unity. Firefox and Thunderbird come with it, and are always updated to the current versions. Chrome is always the current release, and it is kept updated. I download it from Google. I always delete completely the LibreOffice version from Ubuntu, and install the version (presently 4.1.4.2) from The Document Foundation. Hopefully the images I put in this e-mail will show up in your e-mail. I've not added any extra fonts or anything to the system or LibreOffice. Don On 01/29/2014 10:18 PM, ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote: Tractor wrote in Ubuntu 13.10 with Unity, in Thunderbird e-mail the 4 characters are present. If I paste the same in LO Write from the Document Foundation 4.1.4.2 they also show up a 4 characters. Your browser probably has full support for CJK characters in the basic multilingual plane. I'm curious what font LO uses to display these 4 chars, as I am gradually shifting to Linux platform as a beginner. - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094599.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ** -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Le Wed, 29 Jan 2014 19:18:32 -0800 (PST), ♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ gisrup2...@126.com a écrit : Tractor wrote in Ubuntu 13.10 with Unity, in Thunderbird e-mail the 4 characters are present. If I paste the same in LO Write from the Document Foundation 4.1.4.2 they also show up a 4 characters. Your browser probably has full support for CJK characters in the basic multilingual plane. I'm curious what font LO uses to display these 4 chars, as I am gradually shifting to Linux platform as a beginner. http://www.latouche.info/admin/user_guides/chinese_support_gentoo.html This is for gentoo, so maybe the names of the packages can be a little bit different. Also, it is a little bit outdated. With the last Xorg versions, you don't need at all a font section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. The most important now is to install the fonts. After, each distribution have its own way to prioritize them. On gentoo, this is via eselect. All distributions must have a documentation about this. As example, this one for Arch is more up-to-date: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fonts Dominique - 雷聲 靐䨻: if you can see four Chinese characters instead of blobs or question marks than your browser/OS has a good support for Unicode and CJK characters! (P.S. the four chracters put together means loud thunder) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094599.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.
Hi Neil: You don't mention whether you are solely using LibreOffice's language support features or whether you are also using one of the OS-wide input method utilities that are available. I've found that, with Linux at least, Writer sometimes helps too much by silently substituting fonts for you and doesn't always make good choices - leading to it looking like one font (which you know has the character you want) is in use, when it really isn't. Take a look at whatever paragraph style is in use were you're having the difficulty. Edit the style and, on the Font tab - assuming Writer knows you're fiddling with multiple languages, you will see some sections called Asian Text Font and CTL Font. Whatever these are set to, Writer attempts to use them when that particular Western Text Font is in use and you choose another language. Go to one of the places where you have the problems and see if changing those alternate fonts solves your problem. If so, you need to hit the various style definitions to get things working correctly. I use the iBus input method (on Linux), and ran into similar difficulties with Thai until I figured out how to make iBus and Writer play together nicely (which they can and now do). I like using iBus (or an external input method) because it works with any application I use in a consistent manner, and I seldom ever need to use Insert Special Character since activating a different keyboard is done with a simple keystroke, and when you type some characters that ought to be combined (e.g. accents, diacritics and so forth), this happens automagically so long as you have a font that knows about such things. I hope this helps you figure out how to get things working. Frank -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Limited-Unicode-Support-in-LibreOffice-4-1-4-2-Character-insertion-non-zero-SMP-SIP-planes-and-multi-tp4094290p4094330.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
