Amiko on Nasa was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .
Hi :) Errr, Amiko is well worth watching btw. It's rare to see an interviewer that manages to get people talking rather than kinda taking over and doing most of the talking themselves. She makes it much easier to understand what is going on by avoiding technical terms and encourages interviewees to keep-it-simple too by giving them a clue as to what level of understanding to pitch the interview at. If you listen to her voice on the What is happening on the space station today she clearly does know the technical words so it's even more interesting to see her dodge them when interviewing. When i first started watching i assumed she was hopeless until i realised what she was achieving, getting people to relax and opening up with interesting answers. Brandi is pretty good too but has a completely different approach. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 23:34 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . . Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf and what-not as Amiko says in interviews on Nasa tele). Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita though). Tom, Actually, no. I found it was fairly easy to do in Draw. One company sent me a Pdf form to fill in and then complained that i returned it as a Pdf! It had been a bit ilke a multiple choice in that it had one question per line but instead of the choices it just left the rest of the line empty. I pulled the form into Writer, set it as the background, added a 2 column table on top and adjusted the row's widths to fit the form and then wrote on my layer and saved as Pdf. I was really chuffed because it's the first time i had managed anything like it with Pdfs but then got a complaint! That was their problem, not yours. Sounds like they are in the last century. Unless they wanted the ability to change your entries without your permission. I hope you didn't sign it! How did you pull the PDF form into Writer?! snip Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .
Hi :) There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf and what-not as Amiko says in interviews on Nasa tele). Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita though). One company sent me a Pdf form to fill in and then complained that i returned it as a Pdf! It had been a bit ilke a multiple choice in that it had one question per line but instead of the choices it just left the rest of the line empty. I pulled the form into Writer, set it as the background, added a 2 column table on top and adjusted the row's widths to fit the form and then wrote on my layer and saved as Pdf. I was really chuffed because it's the first time i had managed anything like it with Pdfs but then got a complaint! I eventually saw the funny side of the hypocrasy but it took a cuppa tea or two. I think i wrote back suggesting the form would be easier for people to fill in if they had 2 copies with the 2nd one being the original Doc format. From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 20:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . . On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) snip Although a lot of programs can now write Pdfs they seldom allow you to edit the text as freely as you would edit an Odt or Doc. They do sometimes allow you to crop and rotate pages and do some fairly rough work like that. snip In the last 6 months or so, I had the task of completing two PDF forms that organizations sent me to fill out. I decided to try the LO PDF import and use LO to fill out the forms. In both cases, PDF import created a Draw file of pages conforming to each page of the PDF file. With the first PDF form, I was not able to modify any text or objects in the form. It was if the original format was a picture. However, I was able to add text boxes over the picture and get the form filled out. With the second PDF form, I was not only able to add text boxes as before, but I was also able to edit the original form text! What was different between the two PDFs? I haven't a clue. So, it looks like PDF file editability in LO Draw depends on the particular PDF you are trying to edit. Girvin Herr some pdfs are nothing really but image files with some other code 'identifying' them as 'pdf'. I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this on? F. -- Felmon Davis Love thy neighbor as thyself, but choose thy neighborhood. -- Louise Beal -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .
Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf and what-not as Amiko says in interviews on Nasa tele). Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita though). Tom, Actually, no. I found it was fairly easy to do in Draw. One company sent me a Pdf form to fill in and then complained that i returned it as a Pdf! It had been a bit ilke a multiple choice in that it had one question per line but instead of the choices it just left the rest of the line empty. I pulled the form into Writer, set it as the background, added a 2 column table on top and adjusted the row's widths to fit the form and then wrote on my layer and saved as Pdf. I was really chuffed because it's the first time i had managed anything like it with Pdfs but then got a complaint! That was their problem, not yours. Sounds like they are in the last century. Unless they wanted the ability to change your entries without your permission. I hope you didn't sign it! How did you pull the PDF form into Writer?! snip Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .
Hi :) I'm not sure what i did. Something fairly hideous. I think i might have used Gimp to make it into a Gif or Png image and then inserted that. I'm kinda flailing around with Pdfs at the moment. Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 23:34 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . . Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf and what-not as Amiko says in interviews on Nasa tele). Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita though). Tom, Actually, no. I found it was fairly easy to do in Draw. One company sent me a Pdf form to fill in and then complained that i returned it as a Pdf! It had been a bit ilke a multiple choice in that it had one question per line but instead of the choices it just left the rest of the line empty. I pulled the form into Writer, set it as the background, added a 2 column table on top and adjusted the row's widths to fit the form and then wrote on my layer and saved as Pdf. I was really chuffed because it's the first time i had managed anything like it with Pdfs but then got a complaint! That was their problem, not yours. Sounds like they are in the last century. Unless they wanted the ability to change your entries without your permission. I hope you didn't sign it! How did you pull the PDF form into Writer?! snip Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .
Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I'm not sure what i did. Something fairly hideous. I think i might have used Gimp to make it into a Gif or Png image and then inserted that. I'm kinda flailing around with Pdfs at the moment. Regards from Tom :) Tom, That does sound painful! As a test, I was successful at Inserting a PDF as a Draw OLE object in a Writer document. Here is what I did: 1. Using the PDF importer, I opened the PDF file, which brings up Draw. 2. While in Draw, I saved the PDF file as an ODF Draw file. 3. I opened a new Writer document. 4. Using Insert - Object - OLE Object - LibreOffice 3.5 Drawing, I got a Draw window embedded in the Writer document. 5. Double-click on the Draw object window to bring up the draw OLE. 6. Open the ODF file saved in step #2. 7. Click outside the Draw OLE window (anywhere in the document but the Draw OLE window) to get out of Draw. 8. You should have the PDF image from step #1 now in Writer. Note that the PDF importer does not seem to work if attempting to directly open the PDF file in step #6. It seems to think it is opening the PDF in Writer, not the Draw OLE window. There are many limitations to the Draw OLE that the Draw program itself does not have. You may have to do some scaling or dragging the Draw window tags around to get the size you want. Note that the Object properties dialog has a lot to do with formatting this object (right click on the Draw OLE - select Object). Hope this helps. Girvin Herr From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 23:34 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . . Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf and what-not as Amiko says in interviews on Nasa tele). Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita though). Tom, Actually, no. I found it was fairly easy to do in Draw. One company sent me a Pdf form to fill in and then complained that i returned it as a Pdf! It had been a bit ilke a multiple choice in that it had one question per line but instead of the choices it just left the rest of the line empty. I pulled the form into Writer, set it as the background, added a 2 column table on top and adjusted the row's widths to fit the form and then wrote on my layer and saved as Pdf. I was really chuffed because it's the first time i had managed anything like it with Pdfs but then got a complaint! That was their problem, not yours. Sounds like they are in the last century. Unless they wanted the ability to change your entries without your permission. I hope you didn't sign it! How did you pull the PDF form into Writer?! snip Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .
Hi :) It is usually best to start a new question by starting a new email thread rather than replying to an existing thread and then just editing it. Forwarding an email and then copypasting the address back in also works but just Reply to .. and then editing the subject-line doesn't. OpenOffice Extensions still tend to work on LibreOffice just as easily as they do on OpenOffice and vice-versa. However i thought PDF import had been pulled into the main branch of LO? Can you just open the Pdf in LO? Although a lot of programs can now write Pdfs they seldom allow you to edit the text as freely as you would edit an Odt or Doc. They do sometimes allow you to crop and rotate pages and do some fairly rough work like that. Depending on which Operating System you are using and what type of editing you want to do people might have suggestions for other OpenSource programs that might suit you better. I used to use Gimp a lot but it wouldn't let me write back as a Pdf (a double plus for my needs at that time). When i need to save back as Pdf i use Draw or nowadays PdfShuffler (on a GnuLinux). So, are you using Windows and do you need to save as Pdf or will an image format do? Also do you need to edit the text part of the document? When i create Pdfs i keep an original in Odt so that i can go back to that if i really need to edit anything. I've found other people are usually quite willing to give me an editable format (usually Doc or DocX) if they have started by only providing a Pdf. Not always but quite often. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: charles meyer reachmepl...@gmail.com To: Tim Lungstrom timo...@lungstrom.com Cc: m...@marcpare.com m...@marcpare.com; Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; mhenri...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 16:10 Subject: Re: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . . Tim, Nice work. It's a very good start. I would ask listers to e-mail you privately on this topic because I think this conversation may be getting lost for some people who might be willing to help even if it's just contributing solutions. Speaking of Libre Writer... Do you know if there is any Libre extension which allows one to import a PDF into Libre Writer? There is one for Open Office but when I perused the official LIbre Web site I did not find a download for an extension or plug-in that would allow that. Maybe I missed it? Thanks so much for all your help. Charles. On 12/2/12, Tim Lungstrom timo...@lungstrom.com wrote: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/CheatSheets I started to fill in the Working with Tools - Options Menus. Would you look at the page and see if you think that formatting style will work. I am using bullets for a list of items in the section till I get that bulleted item filled in. The box character, before Tips and the other check-box items, was a copy paste from Writer. I hope it shows up with your browser. It would be nice to fill in the items with descriptions on what checking/unchecking those boxes do. The image was from my Ubuntu system, but I wonder if I should do all my screen-clip images from a Windows computer. Do you think I should reference the image by saying what version and OS the clip was from? I will be redoing them for the 3.6.x version, if they appear different. ALSO when uploading a image, where is the file name compared with? It is specific for that Wiki page or the entire Wiki system? I do not want to have to keep changing the file name for the screen-clips. Also, I know that the Wiki page can hold more information than the space of the 6 or 8 pages a quick reference guide would have, but I do want to consider how it might be presented on such a guide sheet[s]. Tom asked about how I did the table-of-contents. I answered him but I think I missed his question. If he meant the use of the box with the dot border, that was done by placing some spaced before each line. If you add a spacing between lines [not with the new line character], then each block of lines would have their own bordered box. Now, I have to figure out how the informational text for each check box items will be shown as part of that sub section of the page and not a new item to be looked at. I replaced the * character, after I used the bullet list option for the text, with the ? [box character shown here, hopefully] That way the text was still properly indented for the page. I wonder if I can indent at another level - i.e. indent a text inside an indented text. But this is a start. What would be the best format for the Supported Document file formats and is there a better name for that section? Should I list all of the formats in alpha order and then have a column for load/save information - maybe in a table format? Or should it be listed in some other order. I was thinking that I would work on that part of the page, at
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .
Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) snip Although a lot of programs can now write Pdfs they seldom allow you to edit the text as freely as you would edit an Odt or Doc. They do sometimes allow you to crop and rotate pages and do some fairly rough work like that. snip In the last 6 months or so, I had the task of completing two PDF forms that organizations sent me to fill out. I decided to try the LO PDF import and use LO to fill out the forms. In both cases, PDF import created a Draw file of pages conforming to each page of the PDF file. With the first PDF form, I was not able to modify any text or objects in the form. It was if the original format was a picture. However, I was able to add text boxes over the picture and get the form filled out. With the second PDF form, I was not only able to add text boxes as before, but I was also able to edit the original form text! What was different between the two PDFs? I haven't a clue. So, it looks like PDF file editability in LO Draw depends on the particular PDF you are trying to edit. Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) snip Although a lot of programs can now write Pdfs they seldom allow you to edit the text as freely as you would edit an Odt or Doc. They do sometimes allow you to crop and rotate pages and do some fairly rough work like that. snip In the last 6 months or so, I had the task of completing two PDF forms that organizations sent me to fill out. I decided to try the LO PDF import and use LO to fill out the forms. In both cases, PDF import created a Draw file of pages conforming to each page of the PDF file. With the first PDF form, I was not able to modify any text or objects in the form. It was if the original format was a picture. However, I was able to add text boxes over the picture and get the form filled out. With the second PDF form, I was not only able to add text boxes as before, but I was also able to edit the original form text! What was different between the two PDFs? I haven't a clue. So, it looks like PDF file editability in LO Draw depends on the particular PDF you are trying to edit. Girvin Herr some pdfs are nothing really but image files with some other code 'identifying' them as 'pdf'. I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this on? F. -- Felmon Davis Love thy neighbor as thyself, but choose thy neighborhood. -- Louise Beal -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
