Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
The code paths backwards from the inferior jre message and the jre is defective message will have to be searched as well as searching forwards from enable accessibility that is after that button gets hit and the save is executed all the way to their conclusions. It's almost certain there are undesireable path crossings in the code that need locating and correcting and until all of those have been corrected, assistive technology for this product and its openoffice alternative can safely be considered broken. Microsoft: It never looses its suction. Jude jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
Tom, Java based programs on a Windows OS are frustratingly unstable when multiple Java Runtime Environments are present because of the way program configurations are pointed to the version of Java to call--registry entries, user environment variables, system environment variables. For stability, run with just one JRE--but don't allow it to update until convenient for you to monitor changes. You could jump in and immediately uninstall all things Java based (NVDA, Dolphin, JAB) and LibreOffice--and clean the registry. And then reinstall everything so configuration files are correct. But one simple option for additional troubleshooting would be to create a new user account on the computer. Login to it--and test your Java components. If JAB based utilities run, then check them in LibreOffice. And if while using the new account, JAB based programs fail (and they may), you probably will need to uninstall and reinstall. But if all is good for the new user account, the problem *is* configuration issue for you normal account, and you will need to dig into your Windows user profile. An uninstall, reinstall will fix either case but is tedious and error prone -- so use an uninstaller ( I prefer the VSRevo products with moderate registry clean-up, the free version is fine for 32-bit, but would need the Pro for 64-bit--has a modest license fee to use beyond trial period -- find them here: freeware 32-bit only -- http://www.revouninstaller.com/start_freeware_download.html pro version 32/64 -bit trial -- http://www.revouninstaller.com/download-professional-version.php ) Then reload these Windows programs in order: JRE 1.7u5 (this would now be the ONLY Java runtime on the system, with fresh configuration laid down) Java Access Bridge (use Jamal Mazrui's JWin installer from http://empowermentzone.com/JWin.htm ) Dolphin or NVDA (or both) (test that they're working) LibreOffice 3.5.4 (select the JRE, and activate Accessibility -- assistive technology tools) Obviously once Dolphin or NVDA come off you are likely to need some sighted assistance with the interface, but it should be brief and by running through the clean up this way--you will be more likely to have a stable and fully functioning system as an outcome. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/latest-java-update-has-broken-my-install-of-Libre-Office-tp3992173p3992366.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
Hi Stuart, thanks for this info this gives me some options to look at. I do not routinely have sighted assistance around to do this kind of thing so completely losing my screen reader is not really an option at this point however I can definitely look into some of these things later on, for instance I will set up a test account and see how it goes probably later on today when I get home from work. Thanks. Tom -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:09 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office. Tom, Java based programs on a Windows OS are frustratingly unstable when multiple Java Runtime Environments are present because of the way program configurations are pointed to the version of Java to call--registry entries, user environment variables, system environment variables. For stability, run with just one JRE--but don't allow it to update until convenient for you to monitor changes. You could jump in and immediately uninstall all things Java based (NVDA, Dolphin, JAB) and LibreOffice--and clean the registry. And then reinstall everything so configuration files are correct. But one simple option for additional troubleshooting would be to create a new user account on the computer. Login to it--and test your Java components. If JAB based utilities run, then check them in LibreOffice. And if while using the new account, JAB based programs fail (and they may), you probably will need to uninstall and reinstall. But if all is good for the new user account, the problem *is* configuration issue for you normal account, and you will need to dig into your Windows user profile. An uninstall, reinstall will fix either case but is tedious and error prone -- so use an uninstaller ( I prefer the VSRevo products with moderate registry clean-up, the free version is fine for 32-bit, but would need the Pro for 64-bit--has a modest license fee to use beyond trial period -- find them here: freeware 32-bit only -- http://www.revouninstaller.com/start_freeware_download.html pro version 32/64 -bit trial -- http://www.revouninstaller.com/download-professional-version.php ) Then reload these Windows programs in order: JRE 1.7u5 (this would now be the ONLY Java runtime on the system, with fresh configuration laid down) Java Access Bridge (use Jamal Mazrui's JWin installer from http://empowermentzone.com/JWin.htm ) Dolphin or NVDA (or both) (test that they're working) LibreOffice 3.5.4 (select the JRE, and activate Accessibility -- assistive technology tools) Obviously once Dolphin or NVDA come off you are likely to need some sighted assistance with the interface, but it should be brief and by running through the clean up this way--you will be more likely to have a stable and fully functioning system as an outcome. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/latest-java-update-has-broken-my-install-of-Libre-Office-tp3992173p3992366.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
Hi all. Ok well I have done as complete an uninstall and registry cleaning as I can reasonably do at this point. After uninstalling all java related things including L.O. I cleaned the registry and there were in fact some errors that were corrected. So I then re-installed the programs in the order that Stuart suggested. However, when I run L.O. and try to enable accessibility I get this error message. LibreOffice requires a Java runtime environment (JRE) to perform this task. The selected JRE is defective. Please select another version or install a new JRE and select it under Tools - Options - LibreOffice - Java. OK So, this is where I am at this point. I hope to hell somebody figures out what is going on with this since I am apparently not the only person having this problem. Fortunately my Mac version of L.O. is still working so I can use it to actually get work done because I cannot afford to keep frakking around with this all week. I'm done ranting for now, I do appreciate you guys trying to help out and I am sure we will get this figured out eventually. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:09 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office. Tom, Java based programs on a Windows OS are frustratingly unstable when multiple Java Runtime Environments are present because of the way program configurations are pointed to the version of Java to call--registry entries, user environment variables, system environment variables. For stability, run with just one JRE--but don't allow it to update until convenient for you to monitor changes. You could jump in and immediately uninstall all things Java based (NVDA, Dolphin, JAB) and LibreOffice--and clean the registry. And then reinstall everything so configuration files are correct. But one simple option for additional troubleshooting would be to create a new user account on the computer. Login to it--and test your Java components. If JAB based utilities run, then check them in LibreOffice. And if while using the new account, JAB based programs fail (and they may), you probably will need to uninstall and reinstall. But if all is good for the new user account, the problem *is* configuration issue for you normal account, and you will need to dig into your Windows user profile. An uninstall, reinstall will fix either case but is tedious and error prone -- so use an uninstaller ( I prefer the VSRevo products with moderate registry clean-up, the free version is fine for 32-bit, but would need the Pro for 64-bit--has a modest license fee to use beyond trial period -- find them here: freeware 32-bit only -- http://www.revouninstaller.com/start_freeware_download.html pro version 32/64 -bit trial -- http://www.revouninstaller.com/download-professional-version.php ) Then reload these Windows programs in order: JRE 1.7u5 (this would now be the ONLY Java runtime on the system, with fresh configuration laid down) Java Access Bridge (use Jamal Mazrui's JWin installer from http://empowermentzone.com/JWin.htm ) Dolphin or NVDA (or both) (test that they're working) LibreOffice 3.5.4 (select the JRE, and activate Accessibility -- assistive technology tools) Obviously once Dolphin or NVDA come off you are likely to need some sighted assistance with the interface, but it should be brief and by running through the clean up this way--you will be more likely to have a stable and fully functioning system as an outcome. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/latest-java-update-has-broken-my-install-of-Libre-Office-tp3992173p3992366.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
LibreOffice works well on any system without any Java being installed. If it does not start because of anything related to Java, this is a clear bug. You may have replaced Java while the office was running (thanks to that completely useless quick-starter). Does a reboot of the whole system help? This is how to disable Java in the office suite without: Find the file ... C:\Users\user_name\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config\javasettings.xml ... and load it into a text edior. Change this line... enabled xsi:nil=falsetrue/enabled ... to ... enabled xsi:nil=falsefalse/enabled ... and start the office. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
Thank you for responding. I have a dialup connection and after 5 or 6 attemps over three days I never got more then 20 mg download when the mindspring shut me down. My son says he can download 208 mg into a CD in less then 10 minutes but... I am retired now and Libreoffice still lets me play. Should I take the computer to Denver and let him try to download into my computer? Thanks Dave -Original Message- From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de Sent: Jun 25, 2012 11:54 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office. LibreOffice works well on any system without any Java being installed. If it does not start because of anything related to Java, this is a clear bug. You may have replaced Java while the office was running (thanks to that completely useless quick-starter). Does a reboot of the whole system help? This is how to disable Java in the office suite without: Find the file ... C:\Users\user_name\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config\javasettings.xml ... and load it into a text edior. Change this line... enabled xsi:nil=falsetrue/enabled ... to ... enabled xsi:nil=falsefalse/enabled ... and start the office. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
Hi Andreas, Unfortunately I do have to use java because the accessibility functionality of libre office depends on it, so disabling java is not an option. Thank you for the suggestion though as it might be useful to those who don't have to run java. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: Andreas Säger Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:54 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office. LibreOffice works well on any system without any Java being installed. If it does not start because of anything related to Java, this is a clear bug. You may have replaced Java while the office was running (thanks to that completely useless quick-starter). Does a reboot of the whole system help? This is how to disable Java in the office suite without: Find the file ... C:\Users\user_name\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config\javasettings.xml ... and load it into a text edior. Change this line... enabled xsi:nil=falsetrue/enabled ... to ... enabled xsi:nil=falsefalse/enabled ... and start the office. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
Tom, Activating a Java Runtime Environment in LibreOffice 3.5.4 took a little while to complete its initial load following upgrade, but the JRE 1.7 update 5 does function correctly with JAB 2.02 installed with LibreOffice 3.5.4 on 64-bit Windows 7. So, not a problem with the LibreOffice Accesibility and the Assistive technology tools. Installation of the updates (32bit and 64bit versions from java.com) did not corrupt my LibreOffice user profile, and JAB 2.0.2 was not affected. The NVDA screen reader continues to work correctly with LibreOffice. So, the JRE installer is not the problem, and that leaves LibreOffice user profile configuration issues. I suspect you were just unluky this time round with the Java update misconfiguring some component of your profile. I beleive Bjørn's guidance to delete or to rename the *javasettings_Windows_x86.xml* file is the correct way to clear the issue by allowing your user profile to rebuild. Or you could completely remove your LibreOffice user profile and allow it to be rebuilt with defaults. The full profile is the folder located at *C:\Users\your user name\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user* which can be renamed. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/latest-java-update-has-broken-my-install-of-Libre-Office-tp3992173p3992267.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
Hi Stuart. It seems that some people are having this problem and others are not. That is strange. I have tried both your suggestion of renaming my profile folder and Bjørn's suggestion of renaming that settings file. In both cases it still says that the JRE is defective when I try to enable accessibility tools. So I am still stuck. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:42 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office. Tom, Activating a Java Runtime Environment in LibreOffice 3.5.4 took a little while to complete its initial load following upgrade, but the JRE 1.7 update 5 does function correctly with JAB 2.02 installed with LibreOffice 3.5.4 on 64-bit Windows 7. So, not a problem with the LibreOffice Accesibility and the Assistive technology tools. Installation of the updates (32bit and 64bit versions from java.com) did not corrupt my LibreOffice user profile, and JAB 2.0.2 was not affected. The NVDA screen reader continues to work correctly with LibreOffice. So, the JRE installer is not the problem, and that leaves LibreOffice user profile configuration issues. I suspect you were just unluky this time round with the Java update misconfiguring some component of your profile. I beleive Bjørn's guidance to delete or to rename the *javasettings_Windows_x86.xml* file is the correct way to clear the issue by allowing your user profile to rebuild. Or you could completely remove your LibreOffice user profile and allow it to be rebuilt with defaults. The full profile is the folder located at *C:\Users\your user name\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user* which can be renamed. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/latest-java-update-has-broken-my-install-of-Libre-Office-tp3992173p3992267.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
