Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
On 7/5/19 9:39 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > To my knowledge, that sort of thing doesn't happen with LO, making reveal > codes unnecessary. In general, I agree with you. However, there were one or two times when the RevealCodes4Cal macro showed me what was going wrong with the styles in the cells, that Stylist was not displaying, or otherwise telling me. I never found the standard reveal codes useful. Much simpler to simply export the document to plain text, then open it as a plain text file, then add the appropriate formatting, than mess around with what styles might, or more often might not have been used. > To me, using reveal codes in LO is like trying to use a gas gauge on an > electric car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j52odgkRxDs and that is not the only video on YouTube showing somebody trying to figure out where to put gas into their Tesla. ### It looks like I don't have a copy of thae RevealCodes4Calc macro anymore. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
Den lör 6 juli 2019 kl 00:34 skrev fudmier : > Styles the way they are supposed to be is > > Just that it's worth the time to make sure you have all the styles you'll need and always use them, rather than using direct formatting. There are a bit more to styles that first meet the eye. At work I see people work with Word and they do all kinds of insane stuff, direct formatting everything and very soon it's all a mess that's hard to sort out. Nothing looks consistent and, well, I already said it, everything is a mess. For instance, I see people use Word like they would use a typewriter. They do blank lines to increase the distance between paragraphs (instead of setting the distance to the next paragraph in the style itself), and when writing things in columns they use space characters and so on. I think I have seen most kinds of crazy things being done in Word (which is what they use at my work). Suddenly they find that all headers are a bit too big or too small, then they have to edit a hundred pages maybe and they just spend time doing things that they wouldn't need to do if they did it right in the first place. Some people like to mess with fonts as well, making several words in each paragraph bold, for instance, which usually doesn't add anything useful for anybody. Sure, there can be reasons to do that once in a while, but too much just looks messy. If you do your styles right, you will only use your Enter key once for each paragraph or header, and never more than once in a row. Your text will look consistent and there is no mess to deal with. Instead of inventing different ways to deal with a mess, just don't create the mess! But as someone pointed out, sometimes someone else wrote the document and maybe in a different format, but there are ways to deal with that too, as someone also already described in this thread. Another thing to mention is of course that in LibreOffice (and Apache OpenOffice) there are no ”codes” to reveal in the first place, so if we must have such a feature, those codes has to be faked somehow. That doesn't seem like a good way to make LibreOffice faster… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg > > On 2019-07-05 04:35 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > > Den tors 4 juli 2019 kl 18:16 skrev John : > > > >> On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 07:45 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: > >>> Hi > >>> > From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support > >>> Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and sometimes > >>> it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a > >>> macro/extension. > >>> > >>> Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the > >>> wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO 1.2, > >>> using the sxw format. > >>> > >>> I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. > >>> > >>> Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those > >>> macros to LO 6.2? > >>> > >>> Thanks and regards > >>> > >>> Uwe Brauer > >>> > >> Just in case any further support for this change is desired, one of the > >> all-time > >> BEST features of Word Perfect was "reveal codes". You could actually > use > >> it to > >> figure out why the page format was not as expected! > >> > >> I would love to see this feature added to Libre Office! > >> > > If you use styles the way it's intended, you won't have those problems in > > the first place. I have never had them (as far as I remember), even when > I > > was not using styles properly. Direct formatting should generally be > > avoided, if you ask me. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Johnny Rosenberg > > > > > >> John > >> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >> Problems? > >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >> Posting guidelines + more: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >> > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
On 7/5/2019 4:28 PM, James Knott wrote: > > Many years ago, I used Wordstar 2000 at work and it had similar issues > with all the formatting codes. I'd often go through documents clearing > up the mess others had created because they didn't understand what the > formatting codes did. Like WP, Wordstar had a method to display the > mess^H^H^H^H formatting created with those codes. > With WP, I recall seeing paragraphs beginning with a string of conflicting formatting codes such as . It appeared that, as a user made formatting changes, the program would just add the new code without deleting the formatting being replaced. The program would only apply the last code, but all the earlier ones remained in place until they were deleted using reveal codes, which was a real life saver with WP. To my knowledge, that sort of thing doesn't happen with LO, making reveal codes unnecessary. To me, using reveal codes in LO is like trying to use a gas gauge on an electric car. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
Den tors 4 juli 2019 kl 18:16 skrev John : > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 07:45 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: > > Hi > > > > > From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support > > Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and sometimes > > it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a > > macro/extension. > > > > Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the > > wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO 1.2, > > using the sxw format. > > > > I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. > > > > Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those > > macros to LO 6.2? > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > Uwe Brauer > > > Just in case any further support for this change is desired, one of the > all-time > BEST features of Word Perfect was "reveal codes". You could actually use > it to > figure out why the page format was not as expected! > > I would love to see this feature added to Libre Office! > If you use styles the way it's intended, you won't have those problems in the first place. I have never had them (as far as I remember), even when I was not using styles properly. Direct formatting should generally be avoided, if you ask me. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg > > John > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
On 2019-07-05 04:10 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > Some 25 years ago, the government law office where I worked used > WordPerfect exclusively and we all relied on Reveal Codes, which was a > necessity because of the way we worked with WP. Although it had some > style functionality, we never used it; instead we used WP like a digital > typewriter, inserting formatting codes as we typed. Because of the way > WP inserted formatting codes, one could do all sorts of things that > today's word processors might forbid, such as changing line spacing or > margins in the middle of a paragraph. It wasn't unusual that, after a > while, a document would get full of formatting codes that were neither > needed nor desired, so reveal codes was necessary to sort it all out and > clean things up. I bet that office still uses FAX. ;-) Many years ago, I used Wordstar 2000 at work and it had similar issues with all the formatting codes. I'd often go through documents clearing up the mess others had created because they didn't understand what the formatting codes did. Like WP, Wordstar had a method to display the mess^H^H^H^H formatting created with those codes. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
On 7/4/2019 10:32 PM, jomali wrote: > I don't remember the details of the sxw format. Perhaps reveal codes were > appropriate then. However, ODF files have a complex SGML or HTML or XML > type format, along with a form of CSS, unlike WordPerfect and similar > programs, which used embedded code to delineate format changes. That is, > there are no format codes to reveal in ODF documents. Any program that > pretended to show some kind of "format code" would be hopelessly > misleading. > Some 25 years ago, the government law office where I worked used WordPerfect exclusively and we all relied on Reveal Codes, which was a necessity because of the way we worked with WP. Although it had some style functionality, we never used it; instead we used WP like a digital typewriter, inserting formatting codes as we typed. Because of the way WP inserted formatting codes, one could do all sorts of things that today's word processors might forbid, such as changing line spacing or margins in the middle of a paragraph. It wasn't unusual that, after a while, a document would get full of formatting codes that were neither needed nor desired, so reveal codes was necessary to sort it all out and clean things up. Then, one weekend, our IT department came in and blew off WP and installed Word. At first, we all rebelled, in part because we no longer had our beloved reveal codes. But, after a while, I learned how to use Word's style functionality and, then, when I began using StarOffice, then OpenOffice, then LO, I transferred the style mentality to those programs as well. Now that I have learned page, paragraph, and character styles, I would never dream of returning to a program like WP. More importantly, I find I never need reveal codes because it is simply unnecessary considering the way LO works. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
Indeed... A single style may cause multiple changes. I don't remember how that is displayed in the macro. Sent from BlueMail On Jul 4, 2019, 10:33 PM, at 10:33 PM, jomali wrote: >I don't remember the details of the sxw format. Perhaps reveal codes >were >appropriate then. However, ODF files have a complex SGML or HTML or XML >type format, along with a form of CSS, unlike WordPerfect and similar >programs, which used embedded code to delineate format changes. That >is, >there are no format codes to reveal in ODF documents. Any program that >pretended to show some kind of "format code" would be hopelessly >misleading. > >On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 2:01 AM Uwe Brauer wrote: > >> Hi >> >> >From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support >> Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and >sometimes >> it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a >> macro/extension. >> >> Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the >> wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO >1.2, >> using the sxw format. >> >> I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. >> >> Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those >> macros to LO 6.2? >> >> Thanks and regards >> >> Uwe Brauer >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> >https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: >https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> >> > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? >https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: >https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
I don't remember the details of the sxw format. Perhaps reveal codes were appropriate then. However, ODF files have a complex SGML or HTML or XML type format, along with a form of CSS, unlike WordPerfect and similar programs, which used embedded code to delineate format changes. That is, there are no format codes to reveal in ODF documents. Any program that pretended to show some kind of "format code" would be hopelessly misleading. On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 2:01 AM Uwe Brauer wrote: > Hi > > >From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support > Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and sometimes > it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a > macro/extension. > > Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the > wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO 1.2, > using the sxw format. > > I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. > > Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those > macros to LO 6.2? > > Thanks and regards > > Uwe Brauer > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
I don't think it was that much code. I might even have a working copy from a few years back, but won't have computer access until next week. Might have deleted it. If you can't make it work, remind me next week and I can take a look. Sent from BlueMail On Jul 4, 2019, 11:04 AM, at 11:04 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >Den tors 4 juli 2019 kl 08:03 skrev Uwe Brauer : > >> Hi >> >> >From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support >> Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and >sometimes >> it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a >> macro/extension. >> >> Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the >> wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO >1.2, >> using the sxw format. >> >> I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. >> >> Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those >> macros to LO 6.2? >> > >How much code are we talking about? > >Kind regards > >Johnny Rosenberg > >> >> Thanks and regards >> >> Uwe Brauer >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> >https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: >https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> >> > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? >https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: >https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
just so we're clear, the macro functionality was not even close to the functionality in word perfect. all the macro did, was displaying a dialogue all of the codes. There is certainly a lot of use for this, but nothing near what you do automatically in word perfect. Sent from BlueMail On Jul 4, 2019, 12:15 PM, at 12:15 PM, John wrote: >On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 07:45 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: >> Hi >> >> > From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support >> Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and >sometimes >> it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a >> macro/extension. >> >> Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the >> wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO >1.2, >> using the sxw format. >> >> I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. >> >> Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those >> macros to LO 6.2? >> >> Thanks and regards >> >> Uwe Brauer >> >Just in case any further support for this change is desired, one of the >all-time >BEST features of Word Perfect was "reveal codes". You could actually >use it to >figure out why the page format was not as expected! > >I would love to see this feature added to Libre Office! > >John >> > > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? >https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: >https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 07:45 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: > Hi > > > From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support > Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and sometimes > it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a > macro/extension. > > Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the > wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO 1.2, > using the sxw format. > > I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. > > Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those > macros to LO 6.2? > > Thanks and regards > > Uwe Brauer > Just in case any further support for this change is desired, one of the all-time BEST features of Word Perfect was "reveal codes". You could actually use it to figure out why the page format was not as expected! I would love to see this feature added to Libre Office! John > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
Den tors 4 juli 2019 kl 08:03 skrev Uwe Brauer : > Hi > > >From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support > Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and sometimes > it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a > macro/extension. > > Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the > wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO 1.2, > using the sxw format. > > I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. > > Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those > macros to LO 6.2? > How much code are we talking about? Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg > > Thanks and regards > > Uwe Brauer > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
Hi >From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and sometimes it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a macro/extension. Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO 1.2, using the sxw format. I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those macros to LO 6.2? Thanks and regards Uwe Brauer -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
