Re: [libreoffice-users] Brochure printing doesn't scale to page

[Brian Barker]

At 14:54 22/11/2016 +, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
Using Version: 5.2.2.2 Build ID: 
8f96e87c890bf8fa77463cd4b640a2312823f3ad on MAC OS Sierra, with 
Epson WF 2660 printer Two problems here.
1. In Print>Paper Handling the suggested paper size is US Legal, 
although every setting I can find is UK and A4. Why is this?


I'm not sure from what you say who is suggesting anything or which of 
these you actually want. Do you have US Legal paper to hand? I'm 
guessing that you are perhaps not using the brochure facility correctly,


2. The brochure prints ok, but the text is reduced in size, i.e. 
doesn't fit the page as in the attached picture link.


The text seems to fit the pages in your picture - though perhaps with 
oversize margins. Is that your problem?


How do I get a) the suggested paper size to A4, and b) how to get 
the pages to appear full-size in the brochure?


The method of using the brochure printing facility may not be 
intuitive. You appear not to be in the US, so I'm guessing that you 
will be wanting to print on A4 paper, folded to create an A5 
brochure. If so, you need to set the *page format* in LibreOffice 
(Format | Page...) to A5 size and portrait orientation. Set the 
margins to those you actually want to see on the individual A5 pages 
- quite possibly smaller than you will be used to setting for A4 
pages. When printing, using the brochure facility, choose *paper 
settings* of A4 size and landscape orientation. (Remember that 
LibreOffice and its stable mates - unlike some other software - treat 
paper size as a matter of document format, not just of printer set-up.)


In short, if you think this way, the statement in your Subject 
header, "Brochure printing doesn't scale to page" is correct - but 
that's how you'll want it.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Brochure printing doesn't scale to page

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

Hi. 
Just tried to post a question on the AskLO forum page. I don’t think I’ll use 
that again - I need “points” to post a picture (WHY?) and the link to a picture 
is totally un-intuitive.

Using Version: 5.2.2.2 Build ID: 8f96e87c890bf8fa77463cd4b640a2312823f3ad on 
MAC OS Sierra, with Epson WF 2660 printer 
Two problems here. 1. In Print>Paper Handling the suggested paper size is US 
Legal, although every setting I can find is UK and A4. Why is this? 
2. The brochure prints ok, but the text is reduced in size, i.e. doesn't fit 
the page as in the attached picture link. 
How do I get a) the suggested paper size to A4, and b) how to get the pages to 
appear full-size in the brochure?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Vw7ioE7vbrVnJFakV1SHBLUmc/view?usp=sharing 


Thanks
Gordon
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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing RESOLVED

[Mike Scott]

On 07/10/15 19:57, Regina Henschel wrote:


Have you really checked both options "Use only paper tray from printer
preferences" and "Use only size form printer preferences" in the tab
"Options"? After this options are enabled, the settings in the printer
properties should be enabled.


Duhh!  I've just looked back, and that's exactly what you said 
originally. And I didn't. Sorry - and yes, that fixes it; thank you (twice!)



But - isn't this a bit of an odd user interface? You set the brochure 
option on /this/ tab, enable setting the paper size on /that/ tab, then 
click a button on yet another tab to open the dialogue to actually set 
the size. Could this not be tidied up? (And the defaults must have 
changed - I'm sure I've never had to worry about this before) Nor, 
AFAICS, is this mentioned anywhere in the help file (which I did read!)



Incidentally, I notice that the 'brochure' setting now is stored with 
the document (it used not to be), as is 'Use only paper tray' 
whereas "Use only size from printer preferences" isn't saved and needs 
resetting every time the document is opened. But thankfully the paper 
size and orientation are saved. Curious design.



Anyway, problem solved; apologies again, and thanks for your patience.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Mike,

Mike Scott schrieb:

On 07/10/15 13:51, Mike Scott wrote:
...

But given LO has the brochure facility, it really ought to work
consistently. If I can work out how without blowing the system apart,
I'll perhaps try reverting to V4.x and see what happens.


I think I see what's going wrong. Could someone check please? - make a
document, say A5 page format, then start the print dialogue and check
what page size is set there under device properties and whether it can
be changed or not.

I find that even the print-n-pages per sheet facility is crippled -
anything other than 1 will cause scaling the size down, because the
printer page size is forced to the size of the current page layout. At
least, it is here.


Have you really checked both options "Use only paper tray from printer 
preferences" and "Use only size form printer preferences" in the tab 
"Options"? After this options are enabled, the settings in the printer 
properties should be enabled.


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Mike Scott]

On 07/10/15 13:51, Mike Scott wrote:
...

But given LO has the brochure facility, it really ought to work
consistently. If I can work out how without blowing the system apart,
I'll perhaps try reverting to V4.x and see what happens.


I think I see what's going wrong. Could someone check please? - make a 
document, say A5 page format, then start the print dialogue and check 
what page size is set there under device properties and whether it can 
be changed or not.


I find that even the print-n-pages per sheet facility is crippled - 
anything other than 1 will cause scaling the size down, because the 
printer page size is forced to the size of the current page layout. At 
least, it is here.


Might it be a CUPS driver problem of some sort? Or is it an LO bug?

Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Mike Scott]

On 07/10/15 12:56, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Mike,

Mike Scott schrieb:
[..]

Unfortunately I don't seem to have any choice in the matter. Whatever
page size I set (format|page) is /always/ transferred automatically to
printer settings, and shows up there greyed out and unchangeable. When I
set 'brochure', the format changes to landscape, and the paper size
stays the same, with the contents printing scaled down. This is with
5.0.1.2 BTW.


(The printer itself isn't an issue, btw; but thanks for the thought.
I've long since worked out which way to twist things between out and in
trays to make double-sided come out right!!)




Do you work on Windows? If not, then printing is more difficult. You
might need a Linux or Mac user then to help you.


Sorry; should have mentioned this is on linux (Mint qiana). I rather 
assumed the problem would be OS-independent.




Do you have got a setting to toggle between system print dialog and LO
print dialog? (This option does not exist on Windows.)

Do you now how to do an administrative installation? Then testing Lo5.1
might be an options.

You can try, export to pdf and use print dialog of Acrobat Reader, which
is really good.


But not on linux :-)

I've a selection of ps and pdf tools available, which can help -- so I 
do have a workaround (although at present I'm working scaled-up and 
letting LO scale things down again).


But given LO has the brochure facility, it really ought to work 
consistently. If I can work out how without blowing the system apart, 
I'll perhaps try reverting to V4.x and see what happens.


(To answer another reply; multicolumn certainly has its uses, but can't 
re-order pages as needed.)


Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 10/07/2015 07:56 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Mike,

Mike Scott schrieb:
[..]

Unfortunately I don't seem to have any choice in the matter. Whatever
page size I set (format|page) is /always/ transferred automatically to
printer settings, and shows up there greyed out and unchangeable. When I
set 'brochure', the format changes to landscape, and the paper size
stays the same, with the contents printing scaled down. This is with
5.0.1.2 BTW.


(The printer itself isn't an issue, btw; but thanks for the thought.
I've long since worked out which way to twist things between out and in
trays to make double-sided come out right!!)




Do you work on Windows? If not, then printing is more difficult. You 
might need a Linux or Mac user then to help you.


Do you have got a setting to toggle between system print dialog and LO 
print dialog? (This option does not exist on Windows.)


Do you now how to do an administrative installation? Then testing 
Lo5.1 might be an options.


You can try, export to pdf and use print dialog of Acrobat Reader, 
which is really good.


Kind regards
Regina




For me, since I never used the "brochure option", I set up a document
with the correct number of columns and margins for my brochure paper size.

I use US Letter and US Legal sizes of paper, and not A4 or A5.

For me, this seems the easiest way for creating the brochures I produce
from time to time.

I tried the "brochure option" many versions ago, but did not like it due
to printer issues with my HP laser printer and the Epson inkjet I had
back then.  I have not tried it on my Canon printer[s] that I bought
after the Epson printer died.

I just work with the manual brochure formatting [columns and margins],
since it is the way I find easiest for me to use.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Mike,

Mike Scott schrieb:
[..]

Unfortunately I don't seem to have any choice in the matter. Whatever
page size I set (format|page) is /always/ transferred automatically to
printer settings, and shows up there greyed out and unchangeable. When I
set 'brochure', the format changes to landscape, and the paper size
stays the same, with the contents printing scaled down. This is with
5.0.1.2 BTW.


(The printer itself isn't an issue, btw; but thanks for the thought.
I've long since worked out which way to twist things between out and in
trays to make double-sided come out right!!)




Do you work on Windows? If not, then printing is more difficult. You 
might need a Linux or Mac user then to help you.


Do you have got a setting to toggle between system print dialog and LO 
print dialog? (This option does not exist on Windows.)


Do you now how to do an administrative installation? Then testing Lo5.1 
might be an options.


You can try, export to pdf and use print dialog of Acrobat Reader, which 
is really good.


Kind regards
Regina





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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Mike Scott]

On 07/10/15 11:58, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Mike,

Mike Scott schrieb:

Can someone settle my mind please here? Has the page size setup changed
at some point for doing brochure printing from Writer?

I don't do this too often, so my memory may be wrong. However, I find
this week that to make an A5-size booklet, I need to create A4 pages
with scaled up contents, that are then scaled down [factor sqrt(2)] by
LO and printed 2-up on A4 paper when 'brochure' is selected. Paper size
and orientation is greyed out in the print dialogue.

I'm pretty certain (and the one example I can find from OOo days in 2006
seems to bear this out) that once upon a time, I'd have had to create an
A5 document, specify A4 landscape paper, and brochure mode would then
print my A5 pages unscaled, 2-up.

Is my memory wrong? If things have changed, what was the rationale? -
the latter way seem IMO much more convenient.


Your memory is correct and you should not use the method of scaling
down. For me it works out-of-the-box when my document is A5 and I check
"brochure" in the tab "Page Layout". I use LO5.1 (a current daily
developer build) and have got a printer Epson-WP-4025.

But the communication between LO and your printer might be not optimal.

.snip

Thanks for your comment. Glad I'm not imagining things :-)

Unfortunately I don't seem to have any choice in the matter. Whatever 
page size I set (format|page) is /always/ transferred automatically to 
printer settings, and shows up there greyed out and unchangeable. When I 
set 'brochure', the format changes to landscape, and the paper size 
stays the same, with the contents printing scaled down. This is with 
5.0.1.2 BTW.



(The printer itself isn't an issue, btw; but thanks for the thought. 
I've long since worked out which way to twist things between out and in 
trays to make double-sided come out right!!)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Mike,

Mike Scott schrieb:

Can someone settle my mind please here? Has the page size setup changed
at some point for doing brochure printing from Writer?

I don't do this too often, so my memory may be wrong. However, I find
this week that to make an A5-size booklet, I need to create A4 pages
with scaled up contents, that are then scaled down [factor sqrt(2)] by
LO and printed 2-up on A4 paper when 'brochure' is selected. Paper size
and orientation is greyed out in the print dialogue.

I'm pretty certain (and the one example I can find from OOo days in 2006
seems to bear this out) that once upon a time, I'd have had to create an
A5 document, specify A4 landscape paper, and brochure mode would then
print my A5 pages unscaled, 2-up.

Is my memory wrong? If things have changed, what was the rationale? -
the latter way seem IMO much more convenient.


Your memory is correct and you should not use the method of scaling 
down. For me it works out-of-the-box when my document is A5 and I check 
"brochure" in the tab "Page Layout". I use LO5.1 (a current daily 
developer build) and have got a printer Epson-WP-4025.


But the communication between LO and your printer might be not optimal. 
You can try, whether it works better, when you check the options "Use 
only paper tray from printer preferences" and "Use only size form 
printer preferences" in the tab "Options". In that case you need to open 
the printer properties in tab "General" and set the actual paper size 
and orientation in the printer driver dialog. Start with a test document 
of four A5 pages on one paper sheet of A4. Depending on your printer, it 
might be, that you have to set the turn edge in addition.


Kind regards
Regina


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[libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Mike Scott]

Can someone settle my mind please here? Has the page size setup changed 
at some point for doing brochure printing from Writer?


I don't do this too often, so my memory may be wrong. However, I find 
this week that to make an A5-size booklet, I need to create A4 pages 
with scaled up contents, that are then scaled down [factor sqrt(2)] by 
LO and printed 2-up on A4 paper when 'brochure' is selected. Paper size 
and orientation is greyed out in the print dialogue.


I'm pretty certain (and the one example I can find from OOo days in 2006 
seems to bear this out) that once upon a time, I'd have had to create an 
A5 document, specify A4 landscape paper, and brochure mode would then 
print my A5 pages unscaled, 2-up.


Is my memory wrong? If things have changed, what was the rationale? - 
the latter way seem IMO much more convenient.


Thanks!!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Paul,

Paul van Tooren schrieb:

Dear Regina,

I have read your comments on the request of Jeff Shrowder of 28-3-2013.

Printing a brochure on a duplex-printer is even more simpler as you wrote.

1.Set the document on A4-format


Then you need to enlarge all things by factor √2, because it will be 
downsized in brochure printing.



2.Apply File>printing
3.Set the properties on brochure
4.Set the properties on using A4-paper and indicate the tray for that in 
case you have more trays
5.Apply portait printing in the properties
6.Apply folding over long edge of the paper
7.Start printing with the Ok-button

This way of printing a brochure I have tested several times and works perfect.
In your e-mail you indicated, that you have to use A4-paper and printing on 
landscape
which is not correct.


I described it correct. You have missed, that my document has DIN A5 size.

I consider it a lot of work to enlarge the document by factor √2 and I 
do not like to always have to remember to scale correctly while working 
with the document. And you do not know how the automatic downsizing is 
done. For vector graphics like fonts or drawing objects, that might not 
matter, but I have not tried what happened to embedded raster images.


Kind regards
Regina

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[libreoffice-users] brochure printing

[Paul van Tooren]

Dear Regina,

I have read your comments on the request of Jeff Shrowder of 28-3-2013.

Printing a brochure on a duplex-printer is even more simpler as you wrote.

1.Set the document on A4-format
2.Apply File>printing
3.Set the properties on brochure
4.Set the properties on using A4-paper and indicate the tray for that in 
case you have more trays
5.Apply portait printing in the properties
6.Apply folding over long edge of the paper
7.Start printing with the Ok-button

This way of printing a brochure I have tested several times and works perfect.
In your e-mail you indicated, that you have to use A4-paper and printing on 
landscape
which is not correct.

Kind regards,

Paul van Tooren


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