Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-06 Thread anne-ology
   Brian, that may be how your computer operates; that may be how other
computers operate, but each of the computers I've had - including those
I've seen of others - operates the way I so stated  ;-)



On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.comwrote:

At 08:09 01/08/2012 -0500, Anne Noname wrote:

 if that was the reason for 'save' then it would save in the same folder,
 rather than some temp [?] folder with some strange name where it's not
 findable  ;-)


 No application does that.  Save in any application will save the revised
 document over the existing file - in the same folder.  If the document has
 not been saved, Save will give you the Save As functionality instead,
 landing you initially in whatever default folder you have configured (or
 some default if you haven't).

 What you may be doing is opening attachments from received e-mail
 messages.  Such a document will not so far have been saved by you on your
 system, so it may indeed be held in some difficult-to-find temporary folder
 and Save will save your carefully edited version in a folder which will
 be confusing and hard to find.  But the solution is simple, of course: you
 should save the document where you want it to reside before you start
 editing.  Then Save will do exactly what you need and expect.

  I think this same un-findable folder is used for saving when the program
 auto-saves; ...


 No: that will be a different place!  The first folder is governed by your
 e-mail application, but this one by LibreOffice.

 I trust this helps.

 Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-06 Thread Brian Barker

At 14:56 06/08/2012 -0500, Anne Noname wrote:
Brian, that may be how your computer operates; that may be how other 
computers operate, but each of the computers I've had - including 
those I've seen of others - operates the way I so stated  ;-)


Good-oh!  It follows, then, that I - along with millions of others 
with properly functioning operating systems - will not be able to help you.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-02 Thread Tanstaafl

Please don't top-post in a bottom/inline posted thread...

On 2012-08-01 9:09 AM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2012-07-31 10:33 PM, anne-ology wrote:

are you perchance clicking on 'save' rather than 'save as'?

I don't know why the 'save' is there;-)



Obviously it is so that you can easily save changes to a file that has
already been saved/named, without having to save it to an ever different
name...


 if that was the reason for 'save' then it would save in the same
 folder, rather than some temp [?] folder with some strange name
 where it's not findable ;-)

Perhaps you are confused...

It *does* save it in the same folder, because it simply saves the 
changes to the *same document*.


It only saves a document to the TEMP folder if you open it from an 
email, and then possibly only for certain mail clients (Thunderbird 
being one).


 I think this same un-findable folder is used for saving when the
 program auto-saves;

Again, you are badly mistaken.

If you create a document, and save it to a specific folder, then later 
open that document for editing, both saves and auto-saves simply save 
the changes to the document where it resides.


So... either you are badly mistaken, or your computer system is badly 
broken.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-02 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2012-08-01 2:19 PM, Spencer Graves spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com wrote:

I've had BSODs and similar events with Windows 7, Vista, XP, Windows 98,
... .  I don't know, but I suspect that some of these may be hardware
not software.  Spencer


These are almost *always one of two things:

1. Bad power supply, or

2. Bad video card/buggy video driver

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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-01 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2012-07-31 10:33 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

are you perchance clicking on 'save' rather than 'save as'?

I don't know why the 'save' is there;-)


Obviously it is so that you can easily save changes to a file that has 
already been saved/named, without having to save it to an ever different 
name...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-01 Thread anne-ology
   if that was the reason for 'save' then it would save in the same
folder,
  rather than some temp [?] folder with some strange name where
it's not findable  ;-)

   I think this same un-findable folder is used for saving when the
program auto-saves;
  for that reason, I always turn off the auto-save ... [I think I'm
capable of knowing when  where to save ;-) ]
 [it's so frustrating since it always seems to happen right
when I'm in the middle of thinking through a thought I'm writing ;-) ]



On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

On 2012-07-31 10:33 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

 are you perchance clicking on 'save' rather than 'save as'?

 I don't know why the 'save' is there;-)


 Obviously it is so that you can easily save changes to a file that has
 already been saved/named, without having to save it to an ever different
 name...



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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I change the default autosave time to something fairly long, around 1 hour or 
so.  So, if i do accidentally spend a lot tooo long making a cuppa tea then at 
least my work gets saved.  

I think the default is fairly annoying but it depends on the person.  
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Wed, 1/8/12, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the 
filename
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 1 August, 2012, 14:09

       if that was the reason for 'save' then it would save in the same
folder,
          rather than some temp [?] folder with some strange name where
it's not findable  ;-)

       I think this same un-findable folder is used for saving when the
program auto-saves;
          for that reason, I always turn off the auto-save ... [I think I'm
capable of knowing when  where to save ;-) ]
             [it's so frustrating since it always seems to happen right
when I'm in the middle of thinking through a thought I'm writing ;-) ]



On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

On 2012-07-31 10:33 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

 are you perchance clicking on 'save' rather than 'save as'?

 I don't know why the 'save' is there;-)


 Obviously it is so that you can easily save changes to a file that has
 already been saved/named, without having to save it to an ever different
 name...



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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-01 Thread Andrew Brager
As a forced Windoze user with nearly daily machine crashes (Blue 
Screen of Frustration anyone?) with a high loss record, I have my 
autosave set for every 5 minutes.  I can live with the 3 second pauses.  
Well worth the potential loss of an hours worth of work that would be 
impossible to recreate.


On 8/1/2012 8:16 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I change the default autosave time to something fairly long, around 1 hour or 
so.  So, if i do accidentally spend a lot tooo long making a cuppa tea then at 
least my work gets saved.

I think the default is fairly annoying but it depends on the person.
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Wed, 1/8/12, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the 
filename
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 1 August, 2012, 14:09

if that was the reason for 'save' then it would save in the same
folder,
   rather than some temp [?] folder with some strange name where
it's not findable  ;-)

I think this same un-findable folder is used for saving when the
program auto-saves;
   for that reason, I always turn off the auto-save ... [I think I'm
capable of knowing when  where to save ;-) ]
  [it's so frustrating since it always seems to happen right
when I'm in the middle of thinking through a thought I'm writing ;-) ]



On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

On 2012-07-31 10:33 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

are you perchance clicking on 'save' rather than 'save as'?

I don't know why the 'save' is there;-)


Obviously it is so that you can easily save changes to a file that has
already been saved/named, without having to save it to an ever different
name...





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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Not even a virtual machine nor the Wubi would save you from the BSODs.  Thqanks 
for reminding me how lucky i am :D 
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Wed, 1/8/12, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote:

From: Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the 
filename
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 1 August, 2012, 16:39

As a forced Windoze user with nearly daily machine crashes (Blue 
Screen of Frustration anyone?) with a high loss record, I have my 
autosave set for every 5 minutes.  I can live with the 3 second pauses.  
Well worth the potential loss of an hours worth of work that would be 
impossible to recreate.

On 8/1/2012 8:16 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I change the default autosave time to something fairly long, around 1 hour or 
 so.  So, if i do accidentally spend a lot tooo long making a cuppa tea then 
 at least my work gets saved.

 I think the default is fairly annoying but it depends on the person.
 Regards from
 Tom :)

 --- On Wed, 1/8/12, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the 
 filename
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 1 August, 2012, 14:09

         if that was the reason for 'save' then it would save in the same
 folder,
            rather than some temp [?] folder with some strange name where
 it's not findable  ;-)

         I think this same un-findable folder is used for saving when the
 program auto-saves;
            for that reason, I always turn off the auto-save ... [I think I'm
 capable of knowing when  where to save ;-) ]
               [it's so frustrating since it always seems to happen right
 when I'm in the middle of thinking through a thought I'm writing ;-) ]



 On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

 On 2012-07-31 10:33 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:
 are you perchance clicking on 'save' rather than 'save as'?

 I don't know why the 'save' is there;-)

 Obviously it is so that you can easily save changes to a file that has
 already been saved/named, without having to save it to an ever different
 name...




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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-01 Thread Doug

On 08/01/2012 11:39 AM, Andrew Brager wrote:
As a forced Windoze user with nearly daily machine crashes (Blue 
Screen of Frustration anyone?) with a high loss record, I have my 
autosave set for every 5 minutes.  I can live with the 3 second 
pauses.  Well worth the potential loss of an hours worth of work that 
would be impossible to recreate. 
Unless the machine only crashes on LO, I think there's something very 
much unkosher in your system, and you should find it and get it fixed.  
I used XP Pro and Win7 Pro  quite a bit,
and NEVER saw a BSOD!  BSODs stopped with Windows98, as far as I know.  
(Never used W2000 or Vista.)


--doug

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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-01 Thread Spencer Graves
I've had BSODs and similar events with Windows 7, Vista, XP, Windows 98, 
... .  I don't know, but I suspect that some of these may be hardware 
not software.  Spencer



On 8/1/2012 11:14 AM, Doug wrote:

On 08/01/2012 11:39 AM, Andrew Brager wrote:
As a forced Windoze user with nearly daily machine crashes (Blue 
Screen of Frustration anyone?) with a high loss record, I have my 
autosave set for every 5 minutes. I can live with the 3 second 
pauses.  Well worth the potential loss of an hours worth of work that 
would be impossible to recreate. 
Unless the machine only crashes on LO, I think there's something very 
much unkosher in your system, and you should find it and get it 
fixed.  I used XP Pro and Win7 Pro  quite a bit,
and NEVER saw a BSOD!  BSODs stopped with Windows98, as far as I 
know.  (Never used W2000 or Vista.)


--doug




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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-01 Thread Jay Lozier

On 08/01/2012 02:14 PM, Doug wrote:

On 08/01/2012 11:39 AM, Andrew Brager wrote:
As a forced Windoze user with nearly daily machine crashes (Blue 
Screen of Frustration anyone?) with a high loss record, I have my 
autosave set for every 5 minutes. I can live with the 3 second 
pauses.  Well worth the potential loss of an hours worth of work that 
would be impossible to recreate. 
Unless the machine only crashes on LO, I think there's something very 
much unkosher in your system, and you should find it and get it 
fixed.  I used XP Pro and Win7 Pro  quite a bit,
and NEVER saw a BSOD!  BSODs stopped with Windows98, as far as I 
know.  (Never used W2000 or Vista.)


--doug

I have seen a couple BSOD on Win XP and 7 but with much less frequency 
than with Win 98. I never determined the actual cause because they 
appeared more or less randomly.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-01 Thread Brian Barker

At 08:09 01/08/2012 -0500, Anne Noname wrote:
if that was the reason for 'save' then it would save in the same 
folder, rather than some temp [?] folder with some strange name 
where it's not findable  ;-)


No application does that.  Save in any application will save the 
revised document over the existing file - in the same folder.  If the 
document has not been saved, Save will give you the Save As 
functionality instead, landing you initially in whatever default 
folder you have configured (or some default if you haven't).


What you may be doing is opening attachments from received e-mail 
messages.  Such a document will not so far have been saved by you on 
your system, so it may indeed be held in some difficult-to-find 
temporary folder and Save will save your carefully edited version 
in a folder which will be confusing and hard to find.  But the 
solution is simple, of course: you should save the document where you 
want it to reside before you start editing.  Then Save will do 
exactly what you need and expect.


I think this same un-findable folder is used for saving when the 
program auto-saves; ...


No: that will be a different place!  The first folder is governed by 
your e-mail application, but this one by LibreOffice.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-07-31 Thread Grant
I'm using Libreoffice Writer on Gentoo Linux and I'm getting an error
telling me I have insufficient user rights when I try to save a
document to any filename other than the default Untitled 1 which
saves fine.  Does anyone know what could be causing this?

- Grant

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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-07-31 Thread Jay Lozier

On 07/31/2012 03:33 AM, Grant wrote:

I'm using Libreoffice Writer on Gentoo Linux and I'm getting an error
telling me I have insufficient user rights when I try to save a
document to any filename other than the default Untitled 1 which
saves fine.  Does anyone know what could be causing this?

- Grant

My first guess is that your file permissions are not set correctly for 
LO or for final document. If you save as Untitiled-1, can you change 
the filename?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-07-31 Thread anne-ology
   are you perchance clicking on 'save' rather than 'save as'?

   I don't know why the 'save' is there  ;-)



On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm using Libreoffice Writer on Gentoo Linux and I'm getting an error
 telling me I have insufficient user rights when I try to save a
 document to any filename other than the default Untitled 1 which
 saves fine.  Does anyone know what could be causing this?

 - Grant



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