Re: [libreoffice-users] spell check, grammar check, dictionary system - my answer/solution given to OOo thread.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/2011 03:50 AM, T. R. Valentine wrote: But in a language with homophones, homographs, heteronyms, and heterographs, I can't even begin to imagine how one could code for all the possibilities ( First you check for word order. Then you check for word pair frequency. - From a practical point of view, the biggest hurdle is constructing the database to be used for checking the word order. Constructing the expert system to validate the grammar is fairly straightforward. Time consuming, but doable. - From a legal point of view, the issue is patents. Thousands of them. Most of which are obvious, and nothing more than use a computer to detect if these words are sequential, or not. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNS9yTAAoJEERA7YuLpVrVOdQH/jZpcuigfSfBq+3Yd8nB6pmw Nbk3aCaTMN2QYy9RcT/HRMZWcwiwgGmpmrhKLc6M2LAWT8sWMIyn3vPOAmku6Cso ZaaS0f2VJ+HIBb5TKQTX9RVY4qsym0Hnf8++xdJErIouDYNnVjuwWaWyaN0x03o7 hdBZrTO3uM8RnzocqSSTqPx8nayU3wykfyaLiiRXebu20e+wCoYN6mp2+nZfIc3+ tjFDIP8/YJ2kktDd27Y58leZBkjyD9OEa0wWGp4a0V1phudLCpjItEHXcHcFLAXG MCwklnrtMFmX1I3zL9KCAQbV2ps8VINx+pWztaBQLmr5u4P7Y+Pc33b+u/CE214= =bwQC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-users] spell check, grammar check, dictionary system - my answer/solution given to OOo thread.
This was on the OOo list. I decided that it may be something that could be looked at from LibreOffice's point of view. My answer is something that I really would like to see as an add on for OOo, LibreOffice, and all of its forked lines of suites. As someone with Dyslexia, the solution is in great need for those with a communication problem beyond the simple spell checking in email clients or word processors. I know over 50 people right now who could use it. On 02/03/2011 01:09 PM, John Bowling wrote: Given that Google Wave is opensource, and the source was available in 2009, why is the spelling checke in Writer still the same old dictionary based spell check? My version is 3.2.1, US, and the only words it flags of the following (from a wiki page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spell_checker) is cheque and chequer: Eye have a spelling chequer, It came with my Pea Sea. It plane lee marks four my revue Miss Steaks I can knot sea. Eye strike the quays and type a whirred And weight four it two say Weather eye am write oar wrong It tells me straight a weigh. Eye ran this poem threw it, Your shore real glad two no. Its vary polished in its weigh. My chequer tolled me sew. A chequer is a bless thing, It freeze yew lodes of thyme. It helps me right all stiles of righting, And aides me when eye rime. Each frays come posed up on my screen Eye trussed too bee a joule. The chequer pours o'er every word Two cheque sum spelling rule. Obviously not at all looking at the context! Does it take multiple years to implement an interface that will let someone use a better complete module? Or is this something that must be added by the user? Given that MS word 2007 has a context level spelling checker, and schools today are not training people to spell or understand context or grammer, it should be there by default! When I spent a few years in the early 2000's as a substitute teacher, I found that even 5th and 6th graders were being required to type all their homework papers, and were not allowed to be excused from doing some overnight assignment that was to be turned in typed EVEN if their parents did not have a computer for them to use. Some teachers even would not except pin-printer pages, wanting ink-jet or laser printing. Back then, the grammar was demanded to be perfect as was the spelling. I know a few kids that relied on their word processor to fix all their errors and did not proof read the final results and then complained that their computers did not tell them there was anything wrong. I was glad I never had to sub much for an English class that taught spelling and grammar. Being Dyslexic does not help at all in those areas. Now it would be great to get a context grammar/spell checker. When the word is spelled correctly, it does not mean it is the right spelling of that word or the correct word for the meaning of the sentence. I am in much need of such a thing in my own typing needs. I cannot get the right/correct words typed since my spelling is so bad and my fingers mess with the rest due to a stroke. But when I type a correctly spelled work [type that instead of word] and no not notice it, it can be a problem. It would be nice to have a better spell checker than one with a list of the closest words to what you typed. I had one dictionary that I could spell the word as I could say it and not worry about the correct spelling. That system would give me a list of what it thought I wanted and was never wrong. It actually helped to have the dictionary part, and it was one of those things from the Win95 days that had a complete unabridged dictionary on one CD. 200,000 words or more with definitions. It worked with XP but not when I had to use Vista. It would be nice for some add on spell check, grammar, and dictionary, system to be part of OOo [LibreOffice, or other fork]. It could be very useful as a proofing tool for those of us that are not good at these types of things. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] spell check, grammar check, dictionary system - my answer/solution given to OOo thread.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 16:17, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: This was on the OOo list. I decided that it may be something that could be looked at from LibreOffice's point of view. My answer is something that I really would like to see as an add on for OOo, LibreOffice, and all of its forked lines of suites. ... Now it would be great to get a context grammar/spell checker. When of OOo [LibreOffice, or other fork]. It could be very useful as a proofing ... tool for those of us that are not good at these types of things. I second the motion. Best, -Tom Thomas M. Browder, Jr. Niceville, Florida USA -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] spell check, grammar check, dictionary system - my answer/solution given to OOo thread.
On 02/03/2011 07:01 PM, Tom Browder wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 16:17, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: This was on the OOo list. I decided that it may be something that could be looked at from LibreOffice's point of view. My answer is something that I really would like to see as an add on for OOo, LibreOffice, and all of its forked lines of suites. ... Now it would be great to get a context grammar/spell checker. When of OOo [LibreOffice, or other fork]. It could be very useful as a proofing ... tool for those of us that are not good at these types of things. I second the motion. Best, -Tom Thomas M. Browder, Jr. Niceville, Florida USA Thanks Tom. I am Tim from Elmira NY, the cold cold Elmira NY. I hope one of these days there will be someone to take up the challenge to create the solution that I tried to hint at with the start of this thread here. I am getting fed up with some of the threads I have seen on the OOo version of this list. There is a need for someone to work on a good content/context checker for spelling and grammar. Add a mini-dictionary function to a spell checker would help with people, like me, who may not know what the correct spelling is, even though you are given a list. Sounding out words does not work well for me since a normal spell checker will not handle that. I use to be a mainframe programmer before Windows took over everything and MS could do no wrong with forcing people to learn how to code their way if you wanted it to look like a Windows program. People no longer wanted a non-windowed, not GUI, program not matter how useful it was or how well it filled a need. So I almost gave up programming before my first stroke hit me. I did do some work with writing spell checking systems from specialized word lists and codes to help with variation of these words made up of the root and added prefixes and suffixes. I once has a floppy of the resulting compete word list that it could check against that was over 177,000 words. I tried to re learn programming by making a standard work checking spell checker. I could barely do simple things like that anymore. I had to give up. IF I could still program, I would try to create a simple rules based proofer for grammar and other things like same sounding words, or words that are not parts of speech in that placement. I could do that type of work back when I wrote Accounting systems right out of college. Now I would never try. So I do hope some programmer with the knack of programming and some good English skills, would take up the call for a free proofing system. Even a low costing one would be great. There is a need that is needed to be filled and there will be a lot of students and adults that would be very pleased. I know I would and the students in the School district I taught in would be pleased as well. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] spell check, grammar check, dictionary system - my answer/solution given to OOo thread.
On 3 February 2011 21:13, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: There is a need for someone to work on a good content/context checker for spelling and grammar. Add a mini-dictionary function to a spell checker would help with people, like me, who may not know what the correct spelling is, even though you are given a list. Sounding out words does not work well for me since a normal spell checker will not handle that. snip So I do hope some programmer with the knack of programming and some good English skills, would take up the call for a free proofing system. Even a low costing one would be great. There is a need that is needed to be filled and there will be a lot of students and adults that would be very pleased. I know I would and the students in the School district I taught in would be pleased as well. Hi Tim, I don't know of a decent grammar checker for English. I suspect part of the problem is the language itself: few so-called rules that are really rules, enormous inconsistencies in the language, etc. If given the option, I won't even *install* a grammar checker and if it is built-in, I disable it as I find they are far more trouble than they are worth. (Though I sometimes have turned it on just for laughs.) I have a good friend who is an English professor who urges his students to turn off spell checkers because he finds people who rely on them turn in papers with improperly used words. (They misspell a word and accept the first suggestion the spell checker offers -- whether it is the correct word, which it frequently is not.) I sympathise with his attitude, but I also sympathise with people like my sister who suffer from dyslexia. In the vast majority of cases, poor spelling is simply laziness and/or a lack of literacy. For dyslexics, it is problem that *looks* like laziness and/or a lack of literacy to those who don't understand. But in a language with homophones, homographs, heteronyms, and heterographs, I can't even begin to imagine how one could code for all the possibilities (says he who has much better spelling and grammar skills than programming skills). Consider: Can you count to two, too? Or consider Dylan Thomas's (in)famous _Under Milk Wood_ which refers to the 'shops in mourning' -- an unusual combining of words which most listeners would interpret as 'shops in [the] morning'. How could any program get such a phrase correct? English really is a wacky language. -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
