Re: [libreoffice-users] status of Microsoft Office compliance with ODF support?
On 14/02/2014, M. Fioretti wrote: > Greetings, > > here is the question, you're welcome to pass it around as much as you > see fit: > > what is the ACTUAL, current status of Microsoft Office compliance with > support for the OpenDocument Format? Is there something specific that > isn't supported yet? What, how.. Case stories, tests, reports, > whatever, all pointers are welcome. Thanks in advance! > See https://www.mail-archive.com/users@global.libreoffice.org/msg26889.html. There is a similar comparison web page for text documents. Search this mailing list or ask m$, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] status of Microsoft Office compliance with ODF support?
On 02/14/2014 09:32 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If this is for an article then i am not sure we can really help. Mostly we are all just volunteers and can't give the TDF's official stand-point on any of this. All we can give is anecdotes which doesn't really count as proof! Over the years we have often heard about problems with the MS format on this mailing list but very seldom heard about problems with our format on their systems! Quite why the problems weren't being raised as bug-reports against MS's apparently poor implementation is a bit of a mystery. MS admit to making "accidental" mistakes in their implementation of their own format and we get the blame. It was the same with the Rtf format and even now that MS have lost the court case about their 'accidents' with Rtf people still seem to think that everyone else was to blame. It might be interesting to compare the similarity of the promises for interoperability made by MS for both formats over the years and the types of 'accidents' that both formats have suffered. We know for certain that Excel 2010 and previous versions of MSO implemented ODF support so badly that formulas got replaced by hard-coded values. However, over the years this only got reported to us 1 or 2 times. What we don't know is whether people experienced the problem and took it as a sign to avoid Open Document Formats in favour of proprietary implementations of other formats or whether people were simply not using ODF much at all and so never noticed the problem. Perhaps people expected formats to only work on the systems they were written in, ie that the much vaunted "interoperability" was a complete myth and only applied to machines running the same OS and the same version of the same programs. That certainly seems to be the prevelant attitude amongst office workers i work with. Anyway, i personally think MS Office is only just attempting to correctly implement the format because ODF is only just beginning to be used widely enough that people are beginning to question why it works so well on everything except MS's stuff. Regards from Tom :) On 14 February 2014 13:59, Jay Lozier wrote: On 02/14/2014 06:51 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: Greetings, here is the question, you're welcome to pass it around as much as you see fit: what is the ACTUAL, current status of Microsoft Office compliance with support for the OpenDocument Format? Is there something specific that isn't supported yet? What, how.. Case stories, tests, reports, whatever, all pointers are welcome. Thanks in advance! Marco Marco, MSO 2010 and earlier did not support ODF 1.2 only ODF 1.1. I saw somewhere that ODF 1.2 is supported in MSO 2013/Office 365. Since MS has a history of "improving" their own formats each release I do not know if they have not introduced "improvements" which make the alleged ODF 1.2 effectively a proprietary format. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted You mean it works so well on the 1% of systems that don't use MS Office? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] status of Microsoft Office compliance with ODF support?
Hi :) If this is for an article then i am not sure we can really help. Mostly we are all just volunteers and can't give the TDF's official stand-point on any of this. All we can give is anecdotes which doesn't really count as proof! Over the years we have often heard about problems with the MS format on this mailing list but very seldom heard about problems with our format on their systems! Quite why the problems weren't being raised as bug-reports against MS's apparently poor implementation is a bit of a mystery. MS admit to making "accidental" mistakes in their implementation of their own format and we get the blame. It was the same with the Rtf format and even now that MS have lost the court case about their 'accidents' with Rtf people still seem to think that everyone else was to blame. It might be interesting to compare the similarity of the promises for interoperability made by MS for both formats over the years and the types of 'accidents' that both formats have suffered. We know for certain that Excel 2010 and previous versions of MSO implemented ODF support so badly that formulas got replaced by hard-coded values. However, over the years this only got reported to us 1 or 2 times. What we don't know is whether people experienced the problem and took it as a sign to avoid Open Document Formats in favour of proprietary implementations of other formats or whether people were simply not using ODF much at all and so never noticed the problem. Perhaps people expected formats to only work on the systems they were written in, ie that the much vaunted "interoperability" was a complete myth and only applied to machines running the same OS and the same version of the same programs. That certainly seems to be the prevelant attitude amongst office workers i work with. Anyway, i personally think MS Office is only just attempting to correctly implement the format because ODF is only just beginning to be used widely enough that people are beginning to question why it works so well on everything except MS's stuff. Regards from Tom :) On 14 February 2014 13:59, Jay Lozier wrote: > > On 02/14/2014 06:51 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> here is the question, you're welcome to pass it around as much as you >> see fit: >> >> what is the ACTUAL, current status of Microsoft Office compliance with >> support for the OpenDocument Format? Is there something specific that >> isn't supported yet? What, how.. Case stories, tests, reports, >> whatever, all pointers are welcome. Thanks in advance! >> >> Marco > > Marco, > > MSO 2010 and earlier did not support ODF 1.2 only ODF 1.1. I saw somewhere > that ODF 1.2 is supported in MSO 2013/Office 365. Since MS has a history of > "improving" their own formats each release I do not know if they have not > introduced "improvements" which make the alleged ODF 1.2 effectively a > proprietary format. > > -- > Jay Lozier > jsloz...@gmail.com > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] status of Microsoft Office compliance with ODF support?
On 02/14/2014 06:51 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: Greetings, here is the question, you're welcome to pass it around as much as you see fit: what is the ACTUAL, current status of Microsoft Office compliance with support for the OpenDocument Format? Is there something specific that isn't supported yet? What, how.. Case stories, tests, reports, whatever, all pointers are welcome. Thanks in advance! Marco Marco, MSO 2010 and earlier did not support ODF 1.2 only ODF 1.1. I saw somewhere that ODF 1.2 is supported in MSO 2013/Office 365. Since MS has a history of "improving" their own formats each release I do not know if they have not introduced "improvements" which make the alleged ODF 1.2 effectively a proprietary format. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] status of Microsoft Office compliance with ODF support?
Greetings, here is the question, you're welcome to pass it around as much as you see fit: what is the ACTUAL, current status of Microsoft Office compliance with support for the OpenDocument Format? Is there something specific that isn't supported yet? What, how.. Case stories, tests, reports, whatever, all pointers are welcome. Thanks in advance! Marco -- M. Fioretti http://mfioretti.com http://stop.zona-m.net Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted