Re: [libreoffice-users] use of flat xml formats
Hi planas, planas schrieb: On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 14:41 +0100, e-letter wrote: Readers, Is there a logical reason why xslt filters need to be selected manually for installation? Flat xml file formats are a very good feature, especially for document version control. Why is flat xml not the default file format for LO? I am not sure which filters come installed in the base configuration because I tend install all the filters. The ODF formats are default because they are official (ISO?) standards for general purpose office type documents. Because ODF formats are an international standard producers of office suites - in theory - should support the latest version (1.2) allowing users to easily share documents no matter what program produced the original. The flat xml format is ISO standard too. MS has not implemented 1.2 support yet in MSO 2010. I believe the ODF formats are a type of compressed xml file. Is it not one file zipped, but a whole folder is zipped. You can rename an odt-file to zip and unpack it to see the content. Kind regards Regina -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] use of flat xml formats
Regina On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 17:22 +0200, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi planas, planas schrieb: On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 14:41 +0100, e-letter wrote: Readers, Is there a logical reason why xslt filters need to be selected manually for installation? Flat xml file formats are a very good feature, especially for document version control. Why is flat xml not the default file format for LO? I am not sure which filters come installed in the base configuration because I tend install all the filters. The ODF formats are default because they are official (ISO?) standards for general purpose office type documents. Because ODF formats are an international standard producers of office suites - in theory - should support the latest version (1.2) allowing users to easily share documents no matter what program produced the original. The flat xml format is ISO standard too. MS has not implemented 1.2 support yet in MSO 2010. I believe the ODF formats are a type of compressed xml file. Is it not one file zipped, but a whole folder is zipped. You can rename an odt-file to zip and unpack it to see the content. I was not quite sure of all the details, thanks. Kind regards Regina -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] use of flat xml formats
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, planas wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 14:41 +0100, e-letter wrote: Is there a logical reason why xslt filters need to be selected manually for installation? Flat xml file formats are a very good feature, especially for document version control. Why is flat xml not the default file format for LO? I am not sure which filters come installed in the base configuration because I tend install all the filters. The ODF formats are default because they are official (ISO?) standards for general purpose office type documents. Because ODF formats are an international standard producers of office suites - in theory - should support the latest version (1.2) allowing users to easily share documents no matter what program produced the original. MS has not implemented 1.2 support yet in MSO 2010. I believe the ODF formats are a type of compressed xml file. The issue of flat xml is whether other, particularly commercial, suites directly support the format. My suspicion is FLOSS projects probably do but commercial support may be erratic. Cfr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_technical_specification Document Representation The OpenDocument format supports the following two ways of document representation: - As a single XML document - also known as Flat XML or Uncompressed XML Files. Single OpenDocument XML files are not widely used. Filename extensions for a single OpenDocument XML documents are not defined in the OpenDocument technical specification, but commonly used are .xml, .fodt,[1][2] .fods, ... etc. - As a collection of several subdocuments within a package, each of which stores part of the complete document. This is the common representation of OpenDocument documents. It uses filename extensions such as .odt, .ott, .ods, .odp ... etc. The package is a standard ZIP file with different filename extension and with defined structure of subdocuments. Each subdocument within a package has a different document root and stores a particular aspect of the XML document. All types of documents (e.g. text and spreadsheet documents) use the same document and subdocuments definitions. I am writing an AsciiDoc backend to produce ODF files directly from AsciiDoc. I was also looking for a flat file importer. Currently LibreOffice and OpenOffice want to open such a .fodt (or .xml) file as text rather than an pure ODF file. Flat ODF file support would be useful to anyone producing/converting simple ODF files, and can help with learning/debugging ODF. It could be very useful to the larger ODF development community. Kind regards, -- -- dag wieers, d...@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- dagit linux solutions, i...@dagit.net, http://dagit.net/ [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] use of flat xml formats
Your use case is very practical and very desirable. And yes, producing a single-file ODF document (XML format) would work great for similar applications, including creation of feature-test documents, etc. There are major practical reasons why the single-file XML format is not the default format. It is odd that it is not a supported format, however, especially for input. I believe there were, at some point, separate transform scripts that could be added to OpenOffice.org to accomplish input and output of the single-file format. I don't know where those are and if they still work. It is an useful thing to research. I will dig into my files, but I am not hopeful. Keep asking around. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dag Wieers [mailto:d...@wieers.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:06 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] use of flat xml formats [ ... ] I am writing an AsciiDoc backend to produce ODF files directly from AsciiDoc. I was also looking for a flat file importer. Currently LibreOffice and OpenOffice want to open such a .fodt (or .xml) file as text rather than an pure ODF file. Flat ODF file support would be useful to anyone producing/converting simple ODF files, and can help with learning/debugging ODF. It could be very useful to the larger ODF development community. Kind regards, -- -- dag wieers, d...@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- dagit linux solutions, i...@dagit.net, http://dagit.net/ [ ... ] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
