Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
At 17:07 30/06/2013 +, Maurice Noname wrote: On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:57:05 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: If you want to make life easier, it may be useful to leave an empty paragraph before using the three-symbol technique to create a border. Then the border is attached to a further empty paragraph and will be very much easier to delete if desired. What is the minimum-size empty paragraph? How many consecutive blank lines?! There is no such thing as an blank line in a word processing document (unless you create them with line breaks, using Shift+Enter); consecutive presses of Enter create empty paragraphs. When you use the three-symbol technique to create a border, you need to start in an empty paragraph, so you will have pressed Enter at the end of the preceding paragraph. But when you press Enter after the three characters, you don't keep that separate paragraph; instead, the border is attached to the previous paragraph. You've pressed Enter twice, but you've ended up creating only one paragraph end. If you want the border to be detached from the previous paragraph, you need to press Enter twice before you enter the three characters - creating a separate empty paragraph (your blank line) before you do. When you press Enter for a third time, you will have your original paragraph with no border and a separate paragraph (that separate empty one) containing just the border but otherwise empty. Three presses of Enter has created two paragraph ends. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Not impossible, you just have to reassert the paragraph style back to default (or to the paragraph style you are using for non HR separated text blocks). From: Maurice [maur...@bcs.org.uk] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:33 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:44:49 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: you will see one of a variety of borders attached to the preceding paragraph. This line is a property of that paragraph, not an entity by itself My problem with those is they seem impossible to delete! -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
At 15:33 29/06/2013 +, Maurice Noname wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:44:49 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: you will see one of a variety of borders attached to the preceding paragraph. This line is a property of that paragraph, not an entity by itself My problem with those is they seem impossible to delete! That's for precisely the reason I gave: that the line doesn't exist by itself but is instead part of the paragraph to which it is a border - normally the preceding one. To remove such a line, right-click in the relevant (probably preceding) paragraph and select Paragraph... or Edit Paragraph Style... as appropriate. On the Borders tab, you can either click the left-hand symbol under Line arrangement or click - None - for Style under Line to turn off the border and remove the line. If you want to make life easier, it may be useful to leave an empty paragraph before using the three-symbol technique to create a border. Then the border is attached to a further empty paragraph and will be very much easier to delete if desired. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi :) You are making it sound more complicated than it really is. 1. There is already a bug-report about this. I doubt everything that anyone does is 100% perfect 100% of the time. When problems are noticed in LO a bug-report gets posted and then hopefully get worked on. Similarly with other programs using the ODF formats. Even if the bug-report doesn't get fixed quickly then at least there is a record of the problem. If the problem affects enough people then it probably gets listed in the Release Notes. The question is how can we attract more devs and once they have started working on some parts of LO how can we attract them into fixing old problems rather than just going off to some other project? 2. Formats are likely to grow and change in the future. LO uses ODF 1.2 (Extended) and hopefully the departures from normal 1.2 are documented. If you want to return to pure 1.2 then it's fairly easy to look up the ISO standard for that. If you want to return to 1.1, or the 1.0 then again it's reasonably easy to look up the specs for those too. Those specs closely match the way it's implemented in the various programs that use the format. 3. You can find programs that still use the older formats. Even LO can be switched to using older formats. See Tools - Options - Load/Save - General 4. The devs have created a new format for LO that wraps up the 3 older formats, 1.2 (not extended), 1.1 and 1.0 and are calling it something like 1.2 Extended (compat). Files created using that format will be able to be read by legacy software that can only read 1.0 or only 1.1. Presumably at some point we are going to find the options listed in Tools - Options - Load/Save - General to drop from 4 formats back down to 2. The whole point of ODF is that even if or when programs do abandon a particular version of it that format is still readable because the format is implemented as specified. The point is NOT to condemn us all to sticking with an unchanging format for the next few hundred years! Change is inevitable. Documenting those changes is part of the aim of ODF so that old files can be read. This is going waaay off-topic again. Regards from Tom :) From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013, 0:32 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing On 6/13/13 5:12 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmm, there are many reasons for preferring non-MS. Backwards compatibility is just 1 of the issues. Current compatibility with it's own current formats is another. A third is whether it's current formats work with non-MS products that do follow the OOXML ISO standard. Regards from Tom :) Preferring MS or not, or any other format, isn't the point here. It's accessing the old files regardless of format, which even LO appears to be abandoning. You can't have it both ways, use ODT because the standards will remain unchanged so old files can be accessed while accepting a decision that prevents the accurate opening of the old files. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) It would be really great if more of us could learn how to mark as duplicate and other triaging stuff. Even just a few people here learnt what is in some of those drop-downs that would be good. I'm completely hopeless at remembering that sort of thing but there is a competition coming up soon and it would be great if the Users List were able to walk off with some of the prizes. It's a t-shirt rather than a cup or trophy for the top 10 so it's a tad more useful! In general we don't want users playing around with the stuff on top unless they take a little time to get involved with QA - mainly because there are nuances and more times than not users mark something incorrectly (like updating the version when tested against a newer release which is not the correct workflow) and then QA has to go and reverse everything and explain policies. For anyone interested in learning about QA stuff I recommend reading https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage which breaks down workflow relatively well. And yes, I do invite everyone to participate in our triage competition/event and to join our QA channel where you'll find quite a few helpful people to get you started :) Hope that didn't come off as rough, just want to be clear that the top section is meant to be for people who know what they are doing - and learning requires individuals to be a little proactive. Plenty of people (myself included) offer help all the time, definitely willing to meet people half way if they want to join - you (Tom) know more than most that we could surely use the help :) Warm Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi :) It would be really great if more of us could learn how to mark as duplicate and other triaging stuff. Even just a few people here learnt what is in some of those drop-downs that would be good. I'm completely hopeless at remembering that sort of thing but there is a competition coming up soon and it would be great if the Users List were able to walk off with some of the prizes. It's a t-shirt rather than a cup or trophy for the top 10 so it's a tad more useful! Congrats Maurice if you were the one that marked-as-duplicate! If Stuart did it then many thanks again to him for all his work. Regards from Tom :) From: Maurice Batey maur...@bcs.org.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013, 20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:45:40 +0100, I wrote: I still don't have a bug report number. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65719 (Marked as a duplicate of : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858 -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
