Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
anne-ology wrote: true. I thoroughly enjoyed the way these massive machines were portrayed in the movies - filling an entire room, whirrin' with lights a-flashin' ;-) I worked several years with large computers (CDC Cyber series). One of my old professors used to say, years later: First we had computers filling a whole cabinet, with the documentation on a card. Now we have computers on a card, with the documentation filling a cabinet. -- Piet van Oostrum p...@vanoostrum.org WWW: http://pietvanoostrum.com/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
On 7/18/2015 9:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? I'm definitely in the minority of responders so far, as I only have one pc, a 6-year-old home desktop running Windows 7. My intentions at this time are to upgrade to Win 10 after it's been out 10-11 months (since it's free), depending on how things look then. I use both LO 4.3.7.2 (mainly Writer some Calc) and MS Office 2003 (mainly Excel, with 2 self-built Access applications). From the responses I've seen so far (including my own) the breakdown of preferred Operating Systems seems to be: 15 some flavor of Linux, led by: 4 OpenSUSE 3 Linux Mint 3 Ubuntu 4 Windows 7 1 Mac -- Tim Deaton -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
hello, I spent nearly 30 years with IBM, looking after mainframe customers as a systems engineer. I was around at the time when Bill G. convinced IBM to go his way with regard to PCs. I still don't quite understand WHY our people let themselves get convinced - I suppose it was mostly a matter of Bill being an excellent salesman and not too many technically minded people around on the side of Big Blue. Another sad fact is that IBM did turn its back on StarOffice, when looking for something to compete with M$ Office. In any case - this is history! On the other hand, somehow it looks to me as if M$ is in a state similar to the one IBM was in around the mid 90's... I run two computers, mainly for the administration of a traditional Austrian windband. - a Lenovo 4-Core system, running Debian 8, MySQL 5.5, PHP, Apache2, Owncloud, Libreoffice, Gimp ... it acts as a kind of server and backup for the Internet-based server of the band as well as of my Laptop - a Sony Laptop (2-core). I use dual boot, but 99 p.c. I boot to Mint 18.1 with KDE. It has all the necessary stuff for a desktop PC on it, including kdeconnect, used for sharing and backup with my Android phone (Xperia Z). On the laptop the second operating system (Windows 7) is only used for two things: - a flat bed scanner HP Scanjet G2710 (which is not supported well enough under Debian) and - my online banking system (ELBA) which is only supported under Windows. It has a lot more function than the version used through the browser and it is also more secure... Actually I think that there has to be better support for mission-critical, administrative software to REALLY make Linux viable for the man/woman of the road In any case, I have used Linux for some 15 years now and wouldn't DREAM of ever switching to either Apple or - least of all - M$. Regards from a very hot Salzburg/Austria H. Stoellinger Am 2015-07-22 um 17:12 schrieb Tim Deaton: On 7/18/2015 9:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? I'm definitely in the minority of responders so far, as I only have one pc, a 6-year-old home desktop running Windows 7. My intentions at this time are to upgrade to Win 10 after it's been out 10-11 months (since it's free), depending on how things look then. I use both LO 4.3.7.2 (mainly Writer some Calc) and MS Office 2003 (mainly Excel, with 2 self-built Access applications). From the responses I've seen so far (including my own) the breakdown of preferred Operating Systems seems to be: 15 some flavor of Linux, led by: 4 OpenSUSE 3 Linux Mint 3 Ubuntu 4 Windows 7 1 Mac -- Tim Deaton -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
On 07/22/2015 07:26 PM, anne-ology wrote: and going back further to the 1940-'50s, IBM thought that there would not be any market for these machines outside of financial scientific researchers ;-) IBM was looking at the market potential at that specific point in time, especially as it related to the cost of the individual computers. Today, we'd call that the top end of the super-computer/super-cluster market. It was only in the mid-sixties that corporate use of computers took off, and even then, most computer experts didn't think that individual would be using computers, basically on the grounds that computers would be too expensive for individuals. Maybe a few programmers would have hand-me-downs from where they worked, but that would be about the extent of personal computer usage. Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 22.07.2015 um 21:26 schrieb anne-ology: and going back further to the 1940-'50s, IBM thought that there would not be any market for these machines outside of financial scientific researchers ;-) that is, why they don't make much money these days... =) - -- _ EDV-Systemberatung * Planung * Installation * Support Manfred BERTL, D-83451 Piding, Wiesenweg 16 Homepage at http://www.edv-bertl.de Tel.: +43-676-89692622mailto:manf...@edv-bertl.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlWv/loACgkQmllPjIGnd+Gv8ACgtra0zYWX3nivyJWmecQK/ZvV jR0An3/kPNs+7IF3ziSDX6td1+iYsLJr =6wh7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
and going back further to the 1940-'50s, IBM thought that there would not be any market for these machines outside of financial scientific researchers ;-) From: H. Stoellinger hc.stoellin...@aon.at Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux] To: users@global.libreoffice.org hello, I spent nearly 30 years with IBM, looking after mainframe customers as a systems engineer. I was around at the time when Bill G. convinced IBM to go his way with regard to PCs. I still don't quite understand WHY our people let themselves get convinced - I suppose it was mostly a matter of Bill being an excellent salesman and not too many technically minded people around on the side of Big Blue. Another sad fact is that IBM did turn its back on StarOffice, when looking for something to compete with M$ Office. In any case - this is history! On the other hand, somehow it looks to me as if M$ is in a state similar to the one IBM was in around the mid 90's... I run two computers, mainly for the administration of a traditional Austrian windband. - a Lenovo 4-Core system, running Debian 8, MySQL 5.5, PHP, Apache2, Owncloud, Libreoffice, Gimp ... it acts as a kind of server and backup for the Internet-based server of the band as well as of my Laptop - a Sony Laptop (2-core). I use dual boot, but 99 p.c. I boot to Mint 18.1 with KDE. It has all the necessary stuff for a desktop PC on it, including kdeconnect, used for sharing and backup with my Android phone (Xperia Z). On the laptop the second operating system (Windows 7) is only used for two things: - a flat bed scanner HP Scanjet G2710 (which is not supported well enough under Debian) and - my online banking system (ELBA) which is only supported under Windows. It has a lot more function than the version used through the browser and it is also more secure... Actually I think that there has to be better support for mission-critical, administrative software to REALLY make Linux viable for the man/woman of the road In any case, I have used Linux for some 15 years now and wouldn't DREAM of ever switching to either Apple or - least of all - M$. Regards from a very hot Salzburg/Austria H. Stoellinger Am 2015-07-22 um 17:12 schrieb Tim Deaton: On 7/18/2015 9:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? I'm definitely in the minority of responders so far, as I only have one pc, a 6-year-old home desktop running Windows 7. My intentions at this time are to upgrade to Win 10 after it's been out 10-11 months (since it's free), depending on how things look then. I use both LO 4.3.7.2 (mainly Writer some Calc) and MS Office 2003 (mainly Excel, with 2 self-built Access applications). From the responses I've seen so far (including my own) the breakdown of preferred Operating Systems seems to be: 15 some flavor of Linux, led by: 4 OpenSUSE 3 Linux Mint 3 Ubuntu 4 Windows 7 1 Mac -- Tim Deaton -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
On 07/22/2015 07:28 PM, anne-ology wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed the way these massive machines were portrayed in the movies - filling an entire room, whirrin' with lights a-flashin' I used to maintain that sort of computer. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
On 07/22/2015 04:38 PM, toki wrote: Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. I have a Tricorder app for my Android phone. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015, toki wrote: Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. In 1967 the Philco-Ford Corporation released a short film titled 1999 A.D. In it the inevitable advances of the future are demonstrated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRxqg4G-G4 warning: proceeded by an advertisement. f. -- Felmon Davis What's the use of a good quotation if you can't change it? -- The Doctor -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
true. I thoroughly enjoyed the way these massive machines were portrayed in the movies - filling an entire room, whirrin' with lights a-flashin' ;-) From: toki toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux] To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 07/22/2015 07:26 PM, anne-ology wrote: and going back further to the 1940-'50s, IBM thought that there would not be any market for these machines outside of financial scientific researchers ;-) IBM was looking at the market potential at that specific point in time, especially as it related to the cost of the individual computers. Today, we'd call that the top end of the super-computer/super-cluster market. It was only in the mid-sixties that corporate use of computers took off, and even then, most computer experts didn't think that individual would be using computers, basically on the grounds that computers would be too expensive for individuals. Maybe a few programmers would have hand-me-downs from where they worked, but that would be about the extent of personal computer usage. Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
true; although prior to that - 1965 - at the NY World's Fair, the GE exhibit was fantastic with it's future-look. From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux] To: users@global.libreoffice.org On Wed, 22 Jul 2015, toki wrote: Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. In 1967 the Philco-Ford Corporation released a short film titled 1999 A.D. In it the inevitable advances of the future are demonstrated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRxqg4G-G4 warning: proceeded by an advertisement. f. -- Felmon Davis What's the use of a good quotation if you can't change it? -- The Doctor -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
