Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc multiplication & division formulas acting strangely (Mac 5.2.3)

2016-11-08 Thread bunk3m 
Thanks again Brian.  Appreciate that you take time to comment and help!

Some additional comments inline below.

On 7 November 2016 at 23:53, Brian Barker  wrote:

> At 14:20 07/11/2016 -0500, Bonly Noname wrote:
>
>> On 2016-11-06 8:43 PM, "Brian Barker"  wrote:
>>
>>> At 20:06 06/11/2016 -0500, Bonly Noname wrote:
>>>
 Today I created a spreadsheet in 5.2.3 (Mac) and each time I try to do
 a multiplication with a decimal, Calc gives me a #NAME?. In cell A1R1
 =4*1.5 gives #NAME? In each spreadsheet that I've opened I get the same
 problem. When I do 4*150%, Calc changes the formula to =4*1.5 and gives 6.
 Then I try =4/1.5 and I get #NAME?
 [...]
 What's going on here? What should I be looking into?

>>>
>>> This is exactly what you will see if your settings are for a locale
>>> which uses the comma instead of the point as the fractional separator (as
>>> many do). You can confirm this easily by entering (to modify your first
>>> example):
>>> =4*1,5
>>> - which should work.
>>>
>>> You need to tell Calc to expect the point as the fractional separator.
>>> Before installing any application software, select appropriate locale
>>> settings in your operating system. Only if necessary, modify the settings
>>> in the application. In LibreOffice, go to Tools | Options... | Language
>>> Settings | Languages and make appropriate selections there. (Oh, on the
>>> Mac, for "Tools | Options..." read "LibreOffice | Preferences".)
>>>
>>
>> Thank you Brian. I thought that was the issue, but I've tried =4*1, 5 and
>> it gives me Err:509.
>>
>
> Well, it will - since you've inserted that unhelpful space! We need the
> number one-and-a-half, not the two separate numbers one and five. The test
> is =4*1,5 - as I suggested. I'm sticking with my suggestion that this will
> work!
>

This was just an additional space typo due to autocorrect or thumb typing
on my tablet.


> I can open old Calc spreadsheets with decimal inputs and have no problem
>> until I try to enter new numbers.
>>
>
> That's also consistent with my suggestion. Formulae in existing documents
> are reinterpreted in the light of your new settings.
>
> I've noticed that if the formula is multiply by less than 1.0, the
>> calculation works.  As soon as I try any decimal greater than 1.0, I get
>> the #NAME?. =0.99 * 0.99 works =1.1*0.99 gives #NAME? =2*0.99 works =2.1*1
>> #NAME? Very weird.
>>
>
> I don't immediately see what is happening here, but it has to be said that
> there are very many places where locales and languages are set. It's
> difficult to test every possibility without messing up my system. Note, for
> example, that the cell formatting has its own language setting (at Format |
> Cells... | Numbers | Language), though that ought to affect only the
> display of results, not the interpretation of input.
>

It is confusing.  As a summary, any number entered that is a decimal less
than 1.0 (one) can be entered OK and calculates OK.  Any decimal number
greater than 1.0 gives the $NAME# error.

I didn't realize that there was another language setting in the cell
format.  I've checked and it is set to the default which is "Canada
English".  So it is consistent (exactly the same) between the Mac OSX
10.10.5 and the various places in LO.


>
> You might want to get someone to look at a sample document to see what is
> happening.
>
> Brian Barker
>

I'm happy to provide a sample document.  How would I go about finding
someone who would look at it?

Thanks again,
B.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc multiplication & division formulas acting strangely (Mac 5.2.3)

2016-11-07 Thread Brian Barker 

At 14:20 07/11/2016 -0500, Bonly Noname wrote:

On 2016-11-06 8:43 PM, "Brian Barker"  wrote:

At 20:06 06/11/2016 -0500, Bonly Noname wrote:
Today I created a spreadsheet in 5.2.3 (Mac) and each time I try 
to do a multiplication with a decimal, Calc gives me a #NAME?. In 
cell A1R1 =4*1.5 gives #NAME? In each spreadsheet that I've opened 
I get the same problem. When I do 4*150%, Calc changes the formula 
to =4*1.5 and gives 6. Then I try =4/1.5 and I get #NAME?

[...]
What's going on here? What should I be looking into?


This is exactly what you will see if your settings are for a locale 
which uses the comma instead of the point as the fractional 
separator (as many do). You can confirm this easily by entering (to 
modify your first example):

=4*1,5
- which should work.

You need to tell Calc to expect the point as the fractional 
separator. Before installing any application software, select 
appropriate locale settings in your operating system. Only if 
necessary, modify the settings in the application. In LibreOffice, 
go to Tools | Options... | Language Settings | Languages and make 
appropriate selections there. (Oh, on the Mac, for "Tools | 
Options..." read "LibreOffice | Preferences".)


Thank you Brian. I thought that was the issue, but I've tried =4*1, 
5 and it gives me Err:509.


Well, it will - since you've inserted that unhelpful space! We need 
the number one-and-a-half, not the two separate numbers one and five. 
The test is =4*1,5 - as I suggested. I'm sticking with my suggestion 
that this will work!


I can open old Calc spreadsheets with decimal inputs and have no 
problem until I try to enter new numbers.


That's also consistent with my suggestion. Formulae in existing 
documents are reinterpreted in the light of your new settings.


I've noticed that if the formula is multiply by less than 1.0, the 
calculation works.  As soon as I try any decimal greater than 1.0, I 
get the #NAME?. =0.99 * 0.99 works =1.1*0.99 gives #NAME? =2*0.99 
works =2.1*1 #NAME? Very weird.


I don't immediately see what is happening here, but it has to be said 
that there are very many places where locales and languages are set. 
It's difficult to test every possibility without messing up my 
system. Note, for example, that the cell formatting has its own 
language setting (at Format | Cells... | Numbers | Language), though 
that ought to affect only the display of results, not the 
interpretation of input.


You might want to get someone to look at a sample document to see 
what is happening.


Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc multiplication & division formulas acting strangely (Mac 5.2.3)

2016-11-07 Thread bunk3m 
On 2016-11-06 8:43 PM, "Brian Barker"  wrote:
At 20:06 06/11/2016 -0500, Bonly Noname wrote:
Today I created a spreadsheet in 5.2.3 (Mac) and each time I try to do a
multiplication with a decimal, Calc gives me a #NAME?. In cell A1R1 =4*1.5
gives #NAME? In each spreadsheet that I've opened I get the same problem.
When I do 4*150%, Calc changes the formula to =4*1.5 and gives 6. Then I
try =4/1.5 and I get #NAME?
[...]
What's going on here? What should I be looking into?

This is exactly what you will see if your settings are for a locale which
uses the comma instead of the point as the fractional separator (as many
do). You can confirm this easily by entering (to modify your first example):
=4*1,5
- which should work.

You need to tell Calc to expect the point as the fractional separator.
Before installing any application software, select appropriate locale
settings in your operating system. Only if necessary, modify the settings
in the application. In LibreOffice, go to Tools | Options... | Language
Settings | Languages and make appropriate selections there. (Oh, on the
Mac, for "Tools | Options..." read "LibreOffice | Preferences".)

I trust this helps.
=
Thank you Brian.

I thought that was the issue, but I've tried =4*1, 5 and it gives me
Err:509.

I have used LO since it started as a fork from SO and never had this
problem before.

The decimal separator is the same as the locale English (Canada) which is (
. ).

I can open old Calc spreadsheets with decimal inputs and have no problem
until I try to enter new numbers.

I've noticed that if the formula is multiply by less than 1.0, the
calculation works.  As soon as I try any decimal greater than 1.0, I get
the #NAME?.

=0.99 * 0.99 works
=1.1*0.99 gives #NAME?
=2*0.99 works
=2.1*1 #NAME?

Very weird.

I'm using OSX 10.10.5 if that points to anything.

I also tried LO 5.1.6 with same result.

Thanks again for any suggestions and help.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc multiplication & division formulas acting strangely (Mac 5.2.3)

2016-11-06 Thread Brian Barker 

At 20:06 06/11/2016 -0500, Bonly Noname wrote:
Today I created a spreadsheet in 5.2.3 (Mac) and each time I try to 
do a multiplication with a decimal, Calc gives me a #NAME?. In cell 
A1R1 =4*1.5 gives #NAME? In each spreadsheet that I've opened I get 
the same problem. When I do 4*150%, Calc changes the formula to 
=4*1.5 and gives 6. Then I try =4/1.5 and I get #NAME?

[...]
What's going on here? What should I be looking into?


This is exactly what you will see if your settings are for a locale 
which uses the comma instead of the point as the fractional separator 
(as many do). You can confirm this easily by entering (to modify your 
first example):

=4*1,5
- which should work.

You need to tell Calc to expect the point as the fractional 
separator. Before installing any application software, select 
appropriate locale settings in your operating system. Only if 
necessary, modify the settings in the application. In LibreOffice, go 
to Tools | Options... | Language Settings | Languages and make 
appropriate selections there. (Oh, on the Mac, for "Tools | 
Options..." read "LibreOffice | Preferences".)


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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