Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail List Etiquette
Hi :) Obviously this list feels it more important to make rules to make it more difficult for first time users, to ask them to post in a way that is completely opposite to what they use everywhere else with everyone else they might communicate with in the course of a working day. When people ask for help this list expects them to stop and read a list of rules and then re-configure their set-up in order to ask the question and then re-configure their system again back to the way they need to use it for everything else they do. If they use MicroSoft Outlook or Yahoo then they will be told to use a different email client for this list and probably told to set-up a different email address too. So we are trying to make ourselves as inaccessible as possible to the vast majority of people that might need this list. Regards from Tom :) From: Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 18 February, 2011 7:04:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail List Etiquette Hi Simon, Am 18.02.2011 00:55, schrieb Simon Cropper: Information should be available somewhere, associated with the libreoffice-users list, on what sort of questions the list addresses, subject line format, preferences with top-posting versus bottom-posting, snipping of text, etcetera. Maybe the list moderator(s) could draft something up ... This already exists in German: http://www.eschkitai.de/libreoffice/netikette.html Maybe someone can/wants to translate this. I don´t know if Google does a good job in translating: http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eschkitai.de%2Flibreoffice%2Fnetikette.htmlsl=detl=enhl=ie=UTF-8 Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail List Etiquette
On 2011-02-17 6:55 PM, Simon Cropper wrote: I have essentially tuned out over the last few days as the debate raged regarding top posting and bottom posting. I went back over the threads today but did nor really discover what is wanted or preferred. When joining this list I noted in my first email the lack of any real information on posting messages, what the list was about or appropriate etiquette. Information should be available somewhere, associated with the libreoffice-users list, on what sort of questions the list addresses, subject line format, preferences with top-posting versus bottom-posting, snipping of text, etcetera. Maybe the list moderator(s) could draft something up, post it on the wiki and provide a link in the footer of future messages. This will go a long way to standardising the email content on the list. +1 -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail List Etiquette
On 2011-02-18 3:19 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Obviously this list feels it more important to make rules to make it more difficult for first time users, to ask them to post in a way that is completely opposite to what they use everywhere else with everyone else they might communicate with in the course of a working day. Not at all... When people ask for help this list expects them to stop and read a list of rules and then re-configure their set-up in order to ask the question Ridiculous... 1. there is no quoted text when someone asks their question initially - unless they hijack someone else's thread, which is another no-no on *any* mail list, and 2. there is no need to reconfigure anything, only a need to take an extra few seconds to position the cursor and delete unwanted/unnecessary text. If they use MicroSoft Outlook or Yahoo then they will be told to use a different email client for this list and probably told to set-up a different email address too. More asinine ridiculousness, Tom, and you're being disingenuous to boot.. I had suggested possibly using a *real* mail client when it became clear that you were using Yahoo's WEBMAIL client, NOT OUTLOOK. Sorry, Tom, you have lost all credibility on this subject - you have made it abundantly clear by your words and actions that you are simply too damn lazy and arrogant to even consider that you should take a few extra seconds out of your oh-so-much-more-valuable-time-than-everyone-else's to abide by a simple and politely worded request. Bite me. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail List Etiquette
On 18 February 2011 11:38, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: More asinine ridiculousness, Tom, and you're being disingenuous to boot.. I had suggested possibly using a *real* mail client when it became clear that you were using Yahoo's WEBMAIL client, NOT OUTLOOK. Sorry, Tom, you have lost all credibility on this subject - you have made it abundantly clear by your words and actions that you are simply too damn lazy and arrogant to even consider that you should take a few extra seconds out of your oh-so-much-more-valuable-time-than-everyone-else's to abide by a simple and politely worded request. Exactly. I've added him to a kill file so I don't have to look at his inconsiderate rants. -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail List Etiquette
Let's abandon this vindictiveness. PLEASE! This forum is one of our technological assets that should serve as an aid to users. Let's not squander it. Glenn On Feb 18, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:38:01PM -0500, Charles Marcus wrote: Sorry, Tom, you have lost all credibility on this subject - you have made it abundantly clear by your words and actions that you are simply too damn lazy and arrogant to even consider that you should take a few extra seconds out of your oh-so-much-more-valuable-time-than-everyone-else's to abide by a simple and politely worded request. Bite me. +10e10! -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** Glenn glenns...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail List Etiquette
Hi Simon, Am 18.02.2011 00:55, schrieb Simon Cropper: Information should be available somewhere, associated with the libreoffice-users list, on what sort of questions the list addresses, subject line format, preferences with top-posting versus bottom-posting, snipping of text, etcetera. Maybe the list moderator(s) could draft something up ... This already exists in German: http://www.eschkitai.de/libreoffice/netikette.html Maybe someone can/wants to translate this. I don´t know if Google does a good job in translating: http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eschkitai.de%2Flibreoffice%2Fnetikette.htmlsl=detl=enhl=ie=UTF-8 Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
