Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-14 Thread Tom Davies
Hi AG :)
It is a good idea to run the 3.6.0 beta in parallel with your existing version.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

There is no need to wipe one in order to run the other.  However stable 
something is on other people's machines (or unstable for that matter) is 
irrelevant.  What matters is how stable it is on YOUR machine and that is 
something no-one knows until YOU try it.  

One advantage with test-driving the early pre-releases of a branch is that IF 
you have problems then it's easy to catch the devs interest in fixing it while 
they are keen and excited about the new branch.  Waiting until everyone else is 
using it means the devs attention is more divided between everyone else's 
issues.  

Typically a new branch means a big step up to a new plateaux of increased 
compatibility with MS formats, faster start-up and operation, very much 
increased functionality and a slightly sexier lookfeel.  

I would definitely recommend taking the 3.6.0 beta out for a test-drive as much 
as possible asap but keep your older version lurking in the back-ground 
somewhere jic.  Why wait for other people?  

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Fri, 13/7/12, drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 15:16 +0100, AG wrote:

snip /

 
 Hi Drew
 
 I noticed from the video that you are using 3.6 beta. How long have you 
 been using it for and is sufficiently stable to rely on for academic 
 work? Any noticeable advantages over 3.5.*?
 

Actually over all it seems rather stable - I've run into rough spots
with one extension is all.

As for the video being 'so yesterday' - seems 3.5 RC1 is out and ready -
from the announcement a few minutes ago:

Please be aware that LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC1 is not ready for
production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.5.5 for that.

The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
builds download page at

  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

The (still growing) list of features for the upcoming 3.6.0 is on our
wiki - please help filling gaps there, e.g. by providing more
screenshots:

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.6 

so - I haven't tired that RC with my problematic extension, it is still
only a 'candidate'.

//drew


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-14 Thread Anthony Easthope
I am quite excited about this release and can't wait to run it on Ubuntu
LTS 12.04! I must say its sad to see no major updates to the
biblographing section. I am hanging in there for the stable release.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012, at 08:15 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi AG :)
 It is a good idea to run the 3.6.0 beta in parallel with your existing
 version.
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
 
 There is no need to wipe one in order to run the other.  However stable
 something is on other people's machines (or unstable for that matter) is
 irrelevant.  What matters is how stable it is on YOUR machine and that is
 something no-one knows until YOU try it.  
 
 One advantage with test-driving the early pre-releases of a branch is
 that IF you have problems then it's easy to catch the devs interest in
 fixing it while they are keen and excited about the new branch.  Waiting
 until everyone else is using it means the devs attention is more divided
 between everyone else's issues.  
 
 Typically a new branch means a big step up to a new plateaux of increased
 compatibility with MS formats, faster start-up and operation, very much
 increased functionality and a slightly sexier lookfeel.  
 
 I would definitely recommend taking the 3.6.0 beta out for a test-drive
 as much as possible asap but keep your older version lurking in the
 back-ground somewhere jic.  Why wait for other people?  
 
 Good luck and regards from
 Tom :)  
 
 
 --- On Fri, 13/7/12, drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 15:16 +0100, AG wrote:
 
 snip /
 
  
  Hi Drew
  
  I noticed from the video that you are using 3.6 beta. How long have you 
  been using it for and is sufficiently stable to rely on for academic 
  work? Any noticeable advantages over 3.5.*?
  
 
 Actually over all it seems rather stable - I've run into rough spots
 with one extension is all.
 
 As for the video being 'so yesterday' - seems 3.5 RC1 is out and ready -
 from the announcement a few minutes ago:
 
 Please be aware that LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC1 is not ready for
 production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.5.5 for that.
 
 The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
 builds download page at
 
   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
 
 The (still growing) list of features for the upcoming 3.6.0 is on our
 wiki - please help filling gaps there, e.g. by providing more
 screenshots:
 
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.6 
 
 so - I haven't tired that RC with my problematic extension, it is still
 only a 'candidate'.
 
 //drew
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-14 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Is there alreadya  bug-report / feature-request about the bibliography 
functionality?  If so then now might be a good time to add a comment and i not 
then now would probably be a good time to write one.
Regards from
Tom :)  



--- On Sat, 14/7/12, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com wrote:

From: Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 14 July, 2012, 8:52

I am quite excited about this release and can't wait to run it on Ubuntu
LTS 12.04! I must say its sad to see no major updates to the
biblographing section. I am hanging in there for the stable release.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012, at 08:15 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi AG :)
 It is a good idea to run the 3.6.0 beta in parallel with your existing
 version.
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
 
 There is no need to wipe one in order to run the other.  However stable
 something is on other people's machines (or unstable for that matter) is
 irrelevant.  What matters is how stable it is on YOUR machine and that is
 something no-one knows until YOU try it.  
 
 One advantage with test-driving the early pre-releases of a branch is
 that IF you have problems then it's easy to catch the devs interest in
 fixing it while they are keen and excited about the new branch.  Waiting
 until everyone else is using it means the devs attention is more divided
 between everyone else's issues.  
 
 Typically a new branch means a big step up to a new plateaux of increased
 compatibility with MS formats, faster start-up and operation, very much
 increased functionality and a slightly sexier lookfeel.  
 
 I would definitely recommend taking the 3.6.0 beta out for a test-drive
 as much as possible asap but keep your older version lurking in the
 back-ground somewhere jic.  Why wait for other people?  
 
 Good luck and regards from
 Tom :)  
 
 
 --- On Fri, 13/7/12, drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 15:16 +0100, AG wrote:
 
 snip /
 
  
  Hi Drew
  
  I noticed from the video that you are using 3.6 beta. How long have you 
  been using it for and is sufficiently stable to rely on for academic 
  work? Any noticeable advantages over 3.5.*?
  
 
 Actually over all it seems rather stable - I've run into rough spots
 with one extension is all.
 
 As for the video being 'so yesterday' - seems 3.5 RC1 is out and ready -
 from the announcement a few minutes ago:
 
 Please be aware that LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC1 is not ready for
 production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.5.5 for that.
 
 The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
 builds download page at
 
   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
 
 The (still growing) list of features for the upcoming 3.6.0 is on our
 wiki - please help filling gaps there, e.g. by providing more
 screenshots:
 
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.6 
 
 so - I haven't tired that RC with my problematic extension, it is still
 only a 'candidate'.
 
 //drew
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-14 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


Was there an extension for bibliography, somewhere?  I seem to remember 
seeing one for OOo before LO came out.


The one issue for a auto biblio system is I was taught 2 different 
preferred methods to do them at different degree programs.  I was told 
that the correct way to do them had changed.  It seemed that a lot of 
things in tech writing changes or the years for no better reason than 
to give the controlling authorities something to do and give the 
college book makers sales.  I had three different English writing 
courses over 15 years and each one had a different way as the correct 
way to to bibliographies, footnotes, and other technical things in 
professional papers.


So, for me, if I had to do biblios, I would look up the current 
correct way and then do things manually.  I know it is not as easy as 
letting a word processor do the grunt work, but it worked for me.  
Since I misplaced my writing books 2 moves ago, I do not have any 
current references on the correct way of doing them.  I may have to 
get a reference again, one day.


On 07/14/2012 04:26 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Is there alreadya  bug-report / feature-request about the bibliography 
functionality?  If so then now might be a good time to add a comment and i not 
then now would probably be a good time to write one.
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Sat, 14/7/12, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com wrote:

From: Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 14 July, 2012, 8:52

I am quite excited about this release and can't wait to run it on Ubuntu
LTS 12.04! I must say its sad to see no major updates to the
biblographing section. I am hanging in there for the stable release.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012, at 08:15 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi AG :)
It is a good idea to run the 3.6.0 beta in parallel with your existing
version.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

There is no need to wipe one in order to run the other.  However stable
something is on other people's machines (or unstable for that matter) is
irrelevant.  What matters is how stable it is on YOUR machine and that is
something no-one knows until YOU try it.

One advantage with test-driving the early pre-releases of a branch is
that IF you have problems then it's easy to catch the devs interest in
fixing it while they are keen and excited about the new branch.  Waiting
until everyone else is using it means the devs attention is more divided
between everyone else's issues.

Typically a new branch means a big step up to a new plateaux of increased
compatibility with MS formats, faster start-up and operation, very much
increased functionality and a slightly sexier lookfeel.

I would definitely recommend taking the 3.6.0 beta out for a test-drive
as much as possible asap but keep your older version lurking in the
back-ground somewhere jic.  Why wait for other people?

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 13/7/12, drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 15:16 +0100, AG wrote:

snip /


Hi Drew

I noticed from the video that you are using 3.6 beta. How long have you
been using it for and is sufficiently stable to rely on for academic
work? Any noticeable advantages over 3.5.*?


Actually over all it seems rather stable - I've run into rough spots
with one extension is all.

As for the video being 'so yesterday' - seems 3.5 RC1 is out and ready -
from the announcement a few minutes ago:

Please be aware that LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC1 is not ready for
production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.5.5 for that.

The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
builds download page at

   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

The (still growing) list of features for the upcoming 3.6.0 is on our
wiki - please help filling gaps there, e.g. by providing more
screenshots:

   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.6 

so - I haven't tired that RC with my problematic extension, it is still
only a 'candidate'.

//drew


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-14 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 14/07/2012 at 09:52, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com wrote:

 I must say its sad to see no major updates to the
 biblographing section.

Yeah, this is really important feature for scientific writing, yet no one seems 
to bother about it.

I have used Zotero[1] for few of my papers. So far so good. You can give it 
a try. It is open-source software, so you can use it free of charge. There is 
also package in Debian repository (xul-ext-zotero - this is Iceweasel/Firefox 
extension version). Perhaps you will find it also in Ubuntu.

[1] http://www.zotero.org/
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-14 Thread Anthony Easthope
Great! this has been a great find and is exactly what i need! i was
forced to use MO for awhile as a paper I was doing needed Referencing :)
continuing my love for opensource!

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, at 01:08 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
 On 14/07/2012 at 09:52, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com wrote:
 
  I must say its sad to see no major updates to the
  biblographing section.
 
 Yeah, this is really important feature for scientific writing, yet no one
 seems 
 to bother about it.
 
 I have used Zotero[1] for few of my papers. So far so good. You can give
 it 
 a try. It is open-source software, so you can use it free of charge.
 There is 
 also package in Debian repository (xul-ext-zotero - this is
 Iceweasel/Firefox 
 extension version). Perhaps you will find it also in Ubuntu.
 
 [1] http://www.zotero.org/
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-13 Thread Anthony Easthope
I thought most debian releases had unity or at least GNOME 3 as their
GUI and they all feature a Dock.
It could be that quick starter is unique to the windows release as
windows has that proviso on the taskbar

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012, at 12:11 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
 On 12/07/2012 at 18:25, AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  Can you please elaborate - or direct me to a site that explains - the
  handy menu part that can be replicated with the desktop environment?
 
 I have never used quickstarter (for LO or OOo), but I can imagine it's 
 something like:
 right-click on icon in tray
 → Open LO Writer
 → Open LO Calc
 → Open LO Impress
 and so on.
 
 So, it's a way to quickly open LO component of choice. And this indeed
 can be 
 easily reproduced with any/most of environments.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-13 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 13/07/2012 at 12:28, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com wrote:

 I thought most debian releases had unity or at least GNOME 3 as their
 GUI and they all feature a Dock.

There is no Unity for virtually anything apart from Ubuntu (+derivatives, such 
as Kubuntu, Mint etc.). Fedora and Arch had packages for 2D version (that is 
fallback version without desktop effects), but at least Fedora strongly 
considered removing them. Unity was never in Debian repository. There was some 
team that wanted to package Unity and put it Debian's repo, but there hasn't 
been any progress for quite long time. It's unlikely to see Unity in Debian 
anytime soon, if ever.

But most of distributions out there has packages of GNOME 3, yes.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-13 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P

On 07/13/2012 06:48 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 13/07/2012 at 12:28, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com wrote:


I thought most debian releases had unity or at least GNOME 3 as their
GUI and they all feature a Dock.

There is no Unity for virtually anything apart from Ubuntu (+derivatives, such
as Kubuntu, Mint etc.). Fedora and Arch had packages for 2D version (that is
fallback version without desktop effects), but at least Fedora strongly
considered removing them. Unity was never in Debian repository. There was some
team that wanted to package Unity and put it Debian's repo, but there hasn't
been any progress for quite long time. It's unlikely to see Unity in Debian
anytime soon, if ever.

But most of distributions out there has packages of GNOME 3, yes.


I use MATE with my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop, instead of GNOME 3 or Unity.  
Works better for me.


I do not like a tablet-looking environment for my desktop work. Win8 
went this route and it was just bad.


As for the quickstart, well I prefer to have start icons on my top 
panel.  Some extensions need the quickstart to be turned off to 
update, of at least they use to when I used a quickstart.


I find that with a desktop running a mid-range 2 year old CPU, LO starts 
up very fast compared to what it did last year, so a quick starting 
option is no longer needed.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-13 Thread drew jensen
On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 09:27 -0400, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
 On 07/13/2012 06:48 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
  On 13/07/2012 at 12:28, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com wrote:
 
  I thought most debian releases had unity or at least GNOME 3 as their
  GUI and they all feature a Dock.
  There is no Unity for virtually anything apart from Ubuntu (+derivatives, 
  such
  as Kubuntu, Mint etc.). Fedora and Arch had packages for 2D version (that is
  fallback version without desktop effects), but at least Fedora strongly
  considered removing them. Unity was never in Debian repository. There was 
  some
  team that wanted to package Unity and put it Debian's repo, but there hasn't
  been any progress for quite long time. It's unlikely to see Unity in Debian
  anytime soon, if ever.
 
  But most of distributions out there has packages of GNOME 3, yes.
 
 I use MATE with my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop, instead of GNOME 3 or Unity.  
 Works better for me.
 
 I do not like a tablet-looking environment for my desktop work. Win8 
 went this route and it was just bad.
 
 As for the quickstart, well I prefer to have start icons on my top 
 panel.  Some extensions need the quickstart to be turned off to 
 update, of at least they use to when I used a quickstart.
 
 I find that with a desktop running a mid-range 2 year old CPU, LO starts 
 up very fast compared to what it did last year, so a quick starting 
 option is no longer needed.

Hi Tim,

I couldn't agree more with that last comment.

Here is a quick screen capture I did for an example:
https://plus.google.com/b/100933269401814278228/100933269401814278228/posts/K157cWoutd5

In the video it starts just as I click on the LibO icon on the desktop.
As I say in the post there this is a warm start - then I open the about
box just to show the version.

Best wishes,

//drew

 
 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-13 Thread AG

On 13/07/12 15:04, drew jensen wrote:

On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 09:27 -0400, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

On 07/13/2012 06:48 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 13/07/2012 at 12:28, Anthony Easthopeantiso...@myopera.com  wrote:


I thought most debian releases had unity or at least GNOME 3 as their
GUI and they all feature a Dock.

There is no Unity for virtually anything apart from Ubuntu (+derivatives, such
as Kubuntu, Mint etc.). Fedora and Arch had packages for 2D version (that is
fallback version without desktop effects), but at least Fedora strongly
considered removing them. Unity was never in Debian repository. There was some
team that wanted to package Unity and put it Debian's repo, but there hasn't
been any progress for quite long time. It's unlikely to see Unity in Debian
anytime soon, if ever.

But most of distributions out there has packages of GNOME 3, yes.

I use MATE with my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop, instead of GNOME 3 or Unity.
Works better for me.

I do not like a tablet-looking environment for my desktop work. Win8
went this route and it was just bad.

As for the quickstart, well I prefer to have start icons on my top
panel.  Some extensions need the quickstart to be turned off to
update, of at least they use to when I used a quickstart.

I find that with a desktop running a mid-range 2 year old CPU, LO starts
up very fast compared to what it did last year, so a quick starting
option is no longer needed.

Hi Tim,

I couldn't agree more with that last comment.

Here is a quick screen capture I did for an example:
https://plus.google.com/b/100933269401814278228/100933269401814278228/posts/K157cWoutd5

In the video it starts just as I click on the LibO icon on the desktop.
As I say in the post there this is a warm start - then I open the about
box just to show the version.

Best wishes,

//drew



Hi Drew

I noticed from the video that you are using 3.6 beta. How long have you 
been using it for and is sufficiently stable to rely on for academic 
work? Any noticeable advantages over 3.5.*?


Cheers
AG

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Quickstarter is missing from LO3.5.5. onDebian

2012-07-13 Thread drew jensen
On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 15:16 +0100, AG wrote:
 On 13/07/12 15:04, drew jensen wrote:
  On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 09:27 -0400, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
  On 07/13/2012 06:48 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
  On 13/07/2012 at 12:28, Anthony Easthopeantiso...@myopera.com  wrote:
 
snip

 
  I find that with a desktop running a mid-range 2 year old CPU, LO starts
  up very fast compared to what it did last year, so a quick starting
  option is no longer needed.
  Hi Tim,
 
  I couldn't agree more with that last comment.
 
  Here is a quick screen capture I did for an example:
  https://plus.google.com/b/100933269401814278228/100933269401814278228/posts/K157cWoutd5
 
  In the video it starts just as I click on the LibO icon on the desktop.
  As I say in the post there this is a warm start - then I open the about
  box just to show the version.
 
  Best wishes,
 
  //drew
 
 
 Hi Drew
 
 I noticed from the video that you are using 3.6 beta. How long have you 
 been using it for and is sufficiently stable to rely on for academic 
 work? Any noticeable advantages over 3.5.*?
 

Actually over all it seems rather stable - I've run into rough spots
with one extension is all.

As for the video being 'so yesterday' - seems 3.5 RC1 is out and ready -
from the announcement a few minutes ago:

Please be aware that LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC1 is not ready for
production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.5.5 for that.

The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
builds download page at

  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

The (still growing) list of features for the upcoming 3.6.0 is on our
wiki - please help filling gaps there, e.g. by providing more
screenshots:

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.6 

so - I haven't tired that RC with my problematic extension, it is still
only a 'candidate'.

//drew


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