Re: [libreoffice-users] Raspberry Pi Raspbian - official or port?
The Raspberry Pi system has been developed for the educational and programmer/developer markets. It is not the fastest system around, but it is it was designed to be inexpensive and easy to use. I have not gone to their site for a few months, but that system might be one I would buy for a project in the future. To be honest, it is not fast or gamer type of system, but if you have a small budget for a computer room in a school, it would allow you to have more systems of this type over the standard type of computer. For what its market, speed of the system is not a high priority. Text/office work does not need to be a fast system. LibreOffice works well in that market. Then there is the developer side. The Pi system is used for a control system for add on electronic components. Then it can be used for computer controlled devices and basic robotics. Yes, packages like LO need to be compiled to the Pi's different OSs [there are a few different ones depending on you needs] to make them work with the type of chip set it had. Also, the Pi system runs on a SD memory card instead of a hard drive. You can add a hard drive via the USB ports, but the OS resides and runs off the SD card memory. On 03/21/2013 01:25 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The Pi version is an unofficial version afaik but not a full fork. Hmmm, it's not even that clear, it's an official Pi program but just not officially recognised by The Document Foundation. At least not yet. Hopefully both the Pi people and TDF devs are working to make it official but my guess is that they need people to use it and confirm that it works. Something i wouldn't normally do is quote from Wikipedia but in this case they appear to be spot on In software engineering, a project fork happens when developers take a copy of source code from one software package and start independent development on it, creating a distinct piece of software. The term often implies not merely a development branch, but a split in the developer community, a form of schism further clarification at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29 All that Pi have done is take the official source code, cleverly and painstakingly worked out which options and settings they need to apply and then compiled the code (which is an automatic process that takes many, many hours during which the machine needs to be left to get on with it). Exactly the same as our devs do for the official versions. If our devs knew more about Pi or if the Pi devs were also part of our community then it would have been an official build. Presumably that's something they all hope to achieve in the future. So, the Pi version is kinda currently an unofficial version but not a full fork. When you talk about installing to Usb there are a LOT of options there. Are you familiar with GnuLinux partitioning? With GnuLinux it's fairly easy to get many drives working together as though they were just one drive. You can often make a system more robust by moving your /home directory onto a physically separate drive. Then if you ever feel the need to you can wipe and reinstall your OS while still ensuring that none of your personal datasettings gets affected. Here is a guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving but the Pi forums might be good for advice. They might have an easier way or better advice. Regards from Tom :) From: Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com To: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2013, 15:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Raspberry Pi Raspbian - official or port? The only reason I asked was just out of curiosity, as I saw it in the store (though unfortunately it won't fit on my 4GB SD that came with my kit - time to think about running from USB I think) Thanks for the clarification of the term fork. At first I thought a fork was when someone took the code of another app and changed it to work with their needs (In this case converting x86 code to ARMv6 / ARM11) On 21 Mar 2013 09:34, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: On 20/03/2013 at 22:20, Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com wrote: Just a quick question: Is the version of LibO on the Pi Store (an app store for the Raspberry Pi's Rasbpian distro) an official build supported by TDF or is it a fork of LibO? It's hard to tell. It depends of your understanding of official and fork. They are not official in the meaning that TDF does not provide arm build of LO. That also means that .debs downloaded from TDF site will not work on your Raspberry Pi. But they are not fork either, as they don't have separate branding, their own website, team of developers or any new features. In fact, these are binary packages build on Debian infrastructure from TDF sources, with some downstream (Debian-specific) patches. Such patches usually provides
Re: [libreoffice-users] Raspberry Pi Raspbian - official or port?
On 20/03/2013 at 22:20, Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com wrote: Just a quick question: Is the version of LibO on the Pi Store (an app store for the Raspberry Pi's Rasbpian distro) an official build supported by TDF or is it a fork of LibO? It's hard to tell. It depends of your understanding of official and fork. They are not official in the meaning that TDF does not provide arm build of LO. That also means that .debs downloaded from TDF site will not work on your Raspberry Pi. But they are not fork either, as they don't have separate branding, their own website, team of developers or any new features. In fact, these are binary packages build on Debian infrastructure from TDF sources, with some downstream (Debian-specific) patches. Such patches usually provides better integration of program with distro-specific tools or fixes compilation errors on architectures not supported by upstream, but supported by distro (and Debian supports nine architectures, while TDF only two). Sometimes they also provide features or fixes from newer version of software; but as far as I am aware, Debian LO maintainers tend to not backport anything. Another question is: what does it change, if packages are official? It's not that TDF provides any commercial user support anyway. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Raspberry Pi Raspbian - official or port?
The only reason I asked was just out of curiosity, as I saw it in the store (though unfortunately it won't fit on my 4GB SD that came with my kit - time to think about running from USB I think) Thanks for the clarification of the term fork. At first I thought a fork was when someone took the code of another app and changed it to work with their needs (In this case converting x86 code to ARMv6 / ARM11) On 21 Mar 2013 09:34, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: On 20/03/2013 at 22:20, Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com wrote: Just a quick question: Is the version of LibO on the Pi Store (an app store for the Raspberry Pi's Rasbpian distro) an official build supported by TDF or is it a fork of LibO? It's hard to tell. It depends of your understanding of official and fork. They are not official in the meaning that TDF does not provide arm build of LO. That also means that .debs downloaded from TDF site will not work on your Raspberry Pi. But they are not fork either, as they don't have separate branding, their own website, team of developers or any new features. In fact, these are binary packages build on Debian infrastructure from TDF sources, with some downstream (Debian-specific) patches. Such patches usually provides better integration of program with distro-specific tools or fixes compilation errors on architectures not supported by upstream, but supported by distro (and Debian supports nine architectures, while TDF only two). Sometimes they also provide features or fixes from newer version of software; but as far as I am aware, Debian LO maintainers tend to not backport anything. Another question is: what does it change, if packages are official? It's not that TDF provides any commercial user support anyway. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Raspberry Pi Raspbian - official or port?
Hi :) The Pi version is an unofficial version afaik but not a full fork. Hmmm, it's not even that clear, it's an official Pi program but just not officially recognised by The Document Foundation. At least not yet. Hopefully both the Pi people and TDF devs are working to make it official but my guess is that they need people to use it and confirm that it works. Something i wouldn't normally do is quote from Wikipedia but in this case they appear to be spot on In software engineering, a project fork happens when developers take a copy of source code from one software package and start independent development on it, creating a distinct piece of software. The term often implies not merely a development branch, but a split in the developer community, a form of schism further clarification at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29 All that Pi have done is take the official source code, cleverly and painstakingly worked out which options and settings they need to apply and then compiled the code (which is an automatic process that takes many, many hours during which the machine needs to be left to get on with it). Exactly the same as our devs do for the official versions. If our devs knew more about Pi or if the Pi devs were also part of our community then it would have been an official build. Presumably that's something they all hope to achieve in the future. So, the Pi version is kinda currently an unofficial version but not a full fork. When you talk about installing to Usb there are a LOT of options there. Are you familiar with GnuLinux partitioning? With GnuLinux it's fairly easy to get many drives working together as though they were just one drive. You can often make a system more robust by moving your /home directory onto a physically separate drive. Then if you ever feel the need to you can wipe and reinstall your OS while still ensuring that none of your personal datasettings gets affected. Here is a guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving but the Pi forums might be good for advice. They might have an easier way or better advice. Regards from Tom :) From: Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com To: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2013, 15:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Raspberry Pi Raspbian - official or port? The only reason I asked was just out of curiosity, as I saw it in the store (though unfortunately it won't fit on my 4GB SD that came with my kit - time to think about running from USB I think) Thanks for the clarification of the term fork. At first I thought a fork was when someone took the code of another app and changed it to work with their needs (In this case converting x86 code to ARMv6 / ARM11) On 21 Mar 2013 09:34, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: On 20/03/2013 at 22:20, Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com wrote: Just a quick question: Is the version of LibO on the Pi Store (an app store for the Raspberry Pi's Rasbpian distro) an official build supported by TDF or is it a fork of LibO? It's hard to tell. It depends of your understanding of official and fork. They are not official in the meaning that TDF does not provide arm build of LO. That also means that .debs downloaded from TDF site will not work on your Raspberry Pi. But they are not fork either, as they don't have separate branding, their own website, team of developers or any new features. In fact, these are binary packages build on Debian infrastructure from TDF sources, with some downstream (Debian-specific) patches. Such patches usually provides better integration of program with distro-specific tools or fixes compilation errors on architectures not supported by upstream, but supported by distro (and Debian supports nine architectures, while TDF only two). Sometimes they also provide features or fixes from newer version of software; but as far as I am aware, Debian LO maintainers tend to not backport anything. Another question is: what does it change, if packages are official? It's not that TDF provides any commercial user support anyway. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages
Re: [libreoffice-users] Raspberry Pi Raspbian - official or port?
On 03/20/2013 05:20 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote: Just a quick question: Is the version of LibO on the Pi Store (an app store for the Raspberry Pi's Rasbpian distro) an official build supported by TDF or is it a fork of LibO? Would be glad for any help on this! Raspberry Pi's default OS is based on Debian. So far as I know it should use the .deb installs. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Raspberry Pi Raspbian - official or port?
Hi :) I am fairly sure it is in the Pi Store. The normal deb from the TDF / LibreOffice website might be fine but i think the tweaked version in the Pi Store would be better for the Arm chip in the Pi Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2013, 23:22 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Raspberry Pi Raspbian - official or port? On 03/20/2013 05:20 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote: Just a quick question: Is the version of LibO on the Pi Store (an app store for the Raspberry Pi's Rasbpian distro) an official build supported by TDF or is it a fork of LibO? Would be glad for any help on this! Raspberry Pi's default OS is based on Debian. So far as I know it should use the .deb installs. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
