RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx file, should I report a bug?
e-letter wrote: Solution #1: Send back an xls version of that file and ask them to exchange spreadsheets in that format. Better still, send in ods and ask the recipient to use LO. If the suggestion is declined, buy m$o. When minor incompatibility is discovered between m$ hardware and software, such bugs should be published to m$ and not here! at0mic You can't be serious. LibreOffice/OpenOffice has such low use in the corporate world that I would be remiss to ask the other user to download a ~200MB software package just to view the document I send them. You just don't play those kinds of games in the business world, not unless you want to aggravate others for no gain (no, you won't increase LO/OO uptake by only using non-Office formats, you'll just piss people off if you ask them to install another software package for no discernible reason). Sending an .xls version and asking the person on the other end to keep the document in that format is a valid point and can be substantiated by the fact that even different versions of MSO have trouble reading each other's version of .xlsx formats. Try swapping an .xlsx document with complex formulae between office 2003 and office 2010. Sometimes it might work. Trying to coerce or force others into using international standards instead of MS standards will have a negative effect in the acceptance of these international standards. For increasing the awareness and take up of LO in business, the best results I've had is by pointing out the extra functionality of LO that can't be provided by MSO, such as the ability to load and modify and re-save .pdf documents. This has been a big selling point in my organisation with around twenty new users this year already. (only 380 users to go) The biggest obstacle I have in promoting LO is younger IT staff who tried Open Office several years ago during their uni days and have been scared off from trying later versions by repeated and continuing MS propaganda. I find the same attitude towards GIMP. Today I had our Helpdesk manager call GIMP unusable rubbish. I asked him what his preferred Microsoft alternative was and when did he last try GIMP. No answer, was the stern reply. :-) (e-letter's use of the $ sign in M$ is quite amusing and to the point.) cheers, Bruce Carlson -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-corrupted-an-Excel-xlsx-file-shoul d-I-report-a-bug-tp3315926p3318717.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx file, should I report a bug?
On 09/08/2011 01:22 AM, At0mic wrote: e-letter wrote: Solution #1: Send back an xls version of that file and ask them to exchange spreadsheets in that format. Better still, send in ods and ask the recipient to use LO. If the suggestion is declined, buy m$o. When minor incompatibility is discovered between m$ hardware and software, such bugs should be published to m$ and not here! You can't be serious. LibreOffice/OpenOffice has such low use in the corporate world that I would be remiss to ask the other user to download a ~200MB software package just to view the document I send them. You just don't play those kinds of games in the business world, not unless you want to aggravate others for no gain (no, you won't increase LO/OO uptake by only using non-Office formats, you'll just piss people off if you ask them to install another software package for no discernible reason). Ask them why they are using .xlsx instead of .xls? There was a movement in the business world to stop using the .xlsx format, since there was issues even within different MSO versions. Also, businesses that would rather not pay for every new version of MSO tend to stick with the ones they have, which could mean MSO2003 or earlier, so they would not be able to read .xlsx either. .xls is a fine format to use withing the MSO business environment. I have not heard a really good reason to go to the newer one. To be honest, more non-MS software can read .xls than their .xlsx version. I do not agree about telling business to use LO if they use MSO. I tend to use words like try using LO and see if you like it. As for low use in the corporate world, LO is gaining market share. In the European and African market, LO/OOo is really moving and becoming the default office suite. Governments and businesses are seeing the advantage in switching over to LO/OOo over continuing with MSO. That is fact. Cost is only one of the reasons. So see if the business would use .xls, then see if someone in that business would like to try the software that is gaining market share all over the world. So not demand, ask them to have someone try it. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx file, should I report a bug?
On 09/08/2011 02:38 AM, Bruce Carlson wrote: e-letter wrote: Solution #1: Send back an xls version of that file and ask them to exchange spreadsheets in that format. Better still, send in ods and ask the recipient to use LO. If the suggestion is declined, buy m$o. When minor incompatibility is discovered between m$ hardware and software, such bugs should be published to m$ and not here! at0mic You can't be serious. LibreOffice/OpenOffice has such low use in the corporate world that I would be remiss to ask the other user to download a ~200MB software package just to view the document I send them.You just don't play those kinds of games in the business world, not unless you want to aggravate others for no gain (no, you won't increase LO/OO uptake by only using non-Office formats, you'll just piss people off ifyou ask them to install another software package for no discernible reason). Sending an .xls version and asking the person on the other end to keep the document in that format is a valid point and can be substantiated by the fact that even different versions of MSO have trouble reading each other's version of .xlsx formats. Try swapping an .xlsx document with complex formulae between office 2003 and office 2010. Sometimes it might work. Trying to coerce or force others into using international standards instead of MS standards will have a negative effect in the acceptance of these international standards. For increasing the awareness and take up of LO in business, the best results I've had is by pointing out the extra functionality of LO that can't be provided by MSO, such as the ability to load and modify and re-save .pdf documents. This has been a big selling point in my organisation with around twenty new users this year already. (only 380 users to go) The biggest obstacle I have in promoting LO is younger IT staff who tried Open Office several years ago during their uni days and have been scared off from trying later versions by repeated and continuing MS propaganda. I find the same attitude towards GIMP. Today I had our Helpdesk manager call GIMP unusable rubbish. I asked him what his preferred Microsoft alternative was and when did he last try GIMP. No answer, was the stern reply. :-) I do not like GIMP as much as Paint Shop Pro 5 [old and Win only], but I use GIMP now since I use Ubuntu as my default system. IF I have problems with doing what I need with GIMP, I fire up my Vista laptop and do the editing with Paint Shop Pro [5 and/or 9]. (e-letter's use of the $ sign in M$ is quite amusing and to the point.) cheers, Bruce Carlson -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-corrupted-an-Excel-xlsx-file-shoul d-I-report-a-bug-tp3315926p3318717.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx file, should I report a bug?
e-letter wrote: Solution #1: Send back an xls version of that file and ask them to exchange spreadsheets in that format. Better still, send in ods and ask the recipient to use LO. If the suggestion is declined, buy m$o. When minor incompatibility is discovered between m$ hardware and software, such bugs should be published to m$ and not here! You can't be serious. LibreOffice/OpenOffice has such low use in the corporate world that I would be remiss to ask the other user to download a ~200MB software package just to view the document I send them. You just don't play those kinds of games in the business world, not unless you want to aggravate others for no gain (no, you won't increase LO/OO uptake by only using non-Office formats, you'll just piss people off if you ask them to install another software package for no discernible reason). I agree. Supporting MS formats is essential. They are the de-facto exchange formats, and much as we would like to change this, it ain't going to happen quickly. Full support for XLS/XLSX and DOC/DOCX is likely to *increase* the takeup of LO, especially in the business world, where spreadsheets get emailed around a lot. cheers, Chris Incoming and outgoing emails are checked for viruses by Sophos AntiVirus. This email may contain confidential information which is intended for the named recipient(s) only. Ã If you are not the named recipient you should not take any action in relation to this email, other than to notify us that you have received it in error. Lynx Information Systems Ltd 93-99 Upper Richmond Rd London SW15 2TG United Kingdom Web: http://www.lynxinfo.co.uk Email: l...@lynxinfo.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)20 8780 2634 Fax: +44 (0)20 8780 0931 Registered in England Number 2454130 VAT Number GB 561 8979 88 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx file, should I report a bug?
Il 08/09/2011 14:35, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions ha scritto: On 09/08/2011 01:22 AM, At0mic wrote: e-letter wrote: Solution #1: Send back an xls version of that file and ask them to exchange spreadsheets in that format. Better still, send in ods and ask the recipient to use LO. If the suggestion is declined, buy m$o. When minor incompatibility is discovered between m$ hardware and software, such bugs should be published to m$ and not here! You can't be serious. LibreOffice/OpenOffice has such low use in the corporate world that I would be remiss to ask the other user to download a ~200MB software package just to view the document I send them. You just don't play those kinds of games in the business world, not unless you want to aggravate others for no gain (no, you won't increase LO/OO uptake by only using non-Office formats, you'll just piss people off if you ask them to install another software package for no discernible reason). Ask them why they are using .xlsx instead of .xls? There was a movement in the business world to stop using the .xlsx format, since there was issues even within different MSO versions. Also, businesses that would rather not pay for every new version of MSO tend to stick with the ones they have, which could mean MSO2003 or earlier, so they would not be able to read .xlsx either. .xls is a fine format to use withing the MSO business environment. I have not heard a really good reason to go to the newer one. To be honest, more non-MS software can read .xls than their .xlsx version. I do not agree about telling business to use LO if they use MSO. I tend to use words like try using LO and see if you like it. As for low use in the corporate world, LO is gaining market share. In the European and African market, LO/OOo is really moving and becoming the default office suite. Governments and businesses are seeing the advantage in switching over to LO/OOo over continuing with MSO. That is fact. Cost is only one of the reasons. So see if the business would use .xls, then see if someone in that business would like to try the software that is gaining market share all over the world. So not demand, ask them to have someone try it. I'll throw in my 2 cents about how to introduce OOo/LibO in otherwise hostile business enviromnents. If they have a MS Office version that cannot read new ...x (xlsx, docx, etc.) formats, tell them they have the option to upgrade to the new version (which often means thousands of $$) or download that free office suite which will very probably open the document just fine. That has happened to me and the customer was impressed :-) -- Marcello Romani -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx file, should I report a bug?
Bruce Carlson wrote: Sending an .xls version and asking the person on the other end to keep the document in that format is a valid point and can be substantiated by the fact that even different versions of MSO have trouble reading each other's version of .xlsx formats. Try swapping an .xlsx document with complex formulae between office 2003 and office 2010. Sometimes it might work. Trying to coerce or force others into using international standards instead of MS standards will have a negative effect in the acceptance of these international standards. For increasing the awareness and take up of LO in business, the best results I've had is by pointing out the extra functionality of LO that can't be provided by MSO, such as the ability to load and modify and re-save .pdf documents. This has been a big selling point in my organisation with around twenty new users this year already. (only 380 users to go) The biggest obstacle I have in promoting LO is younger IT staff who tried Open Office several years ago during their uni days and have been scared off from trying later versions by repeated and continuing MS propaganda. I find the same attitude towards GIMP. Today I had our Helpdesk manager call GIMP unusable rubbish. I asked him what his preferred Microsoft alternative was and when did he last try GIMP. No answer, was the stern reply. :-) (e-letter's use of the $ sign in M$ is quite amusing and to the point.) cheers, Bruce Carlson At0mic wrote If I know I'm going to be working with older versions of Office I will use the 2003 format for things, however the newer version of the format not only produces smaller file sizes but is extractable (2007+ formats are basically .zip files which can be useful at times). In practice I can't comment much on Excel since I haven't used it much myself, but when I was working as IT support for a number of schools we'd sometimes encounter a mix of 2003/2007 installations (the 2003 ones with the compatibility pack for 2007 formats), and no-one complained. I must admit though I've never been aware of the fact you can actually EDIT PDFs in LibreOffice. That's a damn nice feature that I'm sure to remember now, thanks! Maybe it needs to be marketed more that this feature even exists, since there aren't many free alternatives that work quite as well for editing PDFs. As for the GIMP, it's finally managed to replace my pirated version of Photoshop the moment version 2.7.3 was released (the version which now has stable single-window mode). Things are looking up. Bruce Carlson replied Hi At0mic, Not wanting to keep this thread over active but with respect to LO opening and editing and resaving .pdf files, in my job I receive a lot of files in .pdf format. It is my job to make sure these are correct before collating and sending up to senior management. Many times I find I have to open and edit these .pdf's to correct silly mistakes and resave as .pdf before sending to management. Also with LO I can open and merge .pdfs with extreme ease. In fact it has made my job so much easier that I almost feel guilty about it. :-) I now have several staff creating these files in LO impress or writer or calc and converting them to .pdf for transmission. Very clever. Try it. I hope you'll be as impressed as I am. Since the release of LO 3.3.3 my job has become much easier and I have not had one problem opening and editing a .pdf up to now. The LO release notes claimed that LO could do this seamlessly and so far that claim still stands for me. The extractable (.zip) functionality of MSO 2010 is useful but remember LO had this function before MSO and still does and is another valid marketing point in my opinion. One point we must always remember in business is the importance of communication. We should always try to communicate to others in a language and format that the receiver is capable of Oh! and please don't get too upset with folks who have an over passionate view of the world. I know they end up doing themselves more damage than good but hopefully they will eventually learn the error of their ways. :-) Cheers From Bruce. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-corrupted-an-Excel-xlsx-file-shoul d-I-report-a-bug-tp3315926p3321567.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Postin g guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx file, should I report a bug?
On 07/09/2011, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote: Am 07.09.2011 09:56, Roelof Oomen wrote: ... Should I file a bug? Or is someone interested in the file in order to improve the xlsx saving abilities of Calc? To reiterate, the priority for calc is improvement in native file format behaviour. If you want to save in m$ formats why have you not bought m$o??? - Saving xlsx in Calc helps MS to spread a file format that has been bribed through the standardization boards to fight the existing ODF standard (odt, ods, odp, odg). This is an incredible distinction between m$ formats. The undeniable fact is, saving any document in _any_ m$ format maintains the dominance of these formats. - For MS incompatibility is a feature. Compatibility can not be a one-way street. As proposed in previous posts, it should be for LO: import in any format, create only odt/(x)html/pdf etc. formats. Solution #1: Send back an xls version of that file and ask them to exchange spreadsheets in that format. Better still, send in ods and ask the recipient to use LO. If the suggestion is declined, buy m$o. When minor incompatibility is discovered between m$ hardware and software, such bugs should be published to m$ and not here! On top of all this, I am convinced that LibreOffice must not write MS OOXML. This is an anti-feature against our own interests. Would be interested to hear your explanation why other m$ formats are _not_ against the interests of LO (i.e. increased _visible_ usage of odt. Using LO to write m$ formats should be considered invisible usage, of what benefit exactly?). -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
