Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

2017-06-13 Thread Tim-L--Elmira-NY 

On 06/11/2017 11:33 PM, toki wrote:

On 06/10/2017 05:18 PM, charles meyer wrote:


I'm looking for your experienced suggestions of which font(s) have you found to 
be most clearly legible?

What language?
What writing system?
Used where?
For what type of content?

 From my perspective, there is no such thing as a legible font for
writing Afrikaans, when using either the Arabic or the Latin writing system.

For everything other than Hebrew, Greek, and English, I use Google's (or
is it Alphabet's?) NoTo font family. Their primary, if not only virtue,
is that it is pan-Unicode.

jonathon


I installed NoTo on one of my laptops.

There are 36 .otf and .ttf files in my .font folder.  It "feels" like 
twice as many as I scroll through them within Writers font list 
drop-down.  I may just archive them, or part of the list depending on 
which ones are OK for my needs.


As I was told years ago, select the look-and-feel of a document geared 
for the specific readers. Actually, I even have some fonts archived that 
are designed for readers with Dyslexia.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

2017-06-13 Thread Virgil Arrington 
Thanks for the link to Cochineal. It's a really nice typeface.

Virgil


On 06/11/2017 10:51 AM, Ricardo wrote:
> El 2017-06-10 19:18, charles meyer escribió:
>> Ahoy my esteemed and steamy mates,
>>
>> I'm looking for your experienced suggestions of which font(s) have you
>> found to be most clearly legible?
>
> The "ideal typeface" is one of those arguments in which you'll find as 
> many answers (if not more) as people answering ;)
>
> Here it is a somewhat random and clearly incomplete list of awesome 
> typefaces with a F(L)OSS licence:
>
> I love EBGaramond, but be aware that it has no bold nor bold italic (yet)
> http://www.georgduffner.at/ebgaramond/download.html
>
> A really nice "old style" font full of OpenType magic is Cochineal
> http://www.ctan.org/pkg/cochineal
>
> In fact, I can say that any font from Michael Sharpe is a Good Font. 
> As an example, if you want to be able to print at low resolution but 
> with good results you may try his fork of Bitstream Charter, xcharter
> http://www.ctan.org/pkg/xcharter
>
> If you want a "Times better than Times" I highly recommend Libertinus, 
> a fork of Linux Libertine/Biolinum
> https://github.com/khaledhosny/libertinus
>
> Another "times alike" font is Stix Two
> http://stixfonts.org/
>
> A great, original font full of OpenType specialities is Vollkorn
> http://vollkorn-typeface.com/
>
> and don't forget the TeX Gyre collection and the Latin Modern family, 
> both from the GUST foundry
> http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre
> http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/latin-modern
>
> Have fun!
>
> Regards,
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>>
>> There are fonts you can see clearly even though they're in size 8 or
>> smaller or from a great distance.
>>
>> I've noticed this as well on street signs. Some characters, even though
>> larger, are less legible because of style and not size than others.
>>
>> I often use Bookman Old Style for that reason. I find Times New Roman
>> blends so it's less legible.
>>
>> Anyone work ( or have a life partner, relative or fried) who works at 
>> an ad
>> agency?
>>
>> Ad agencies go to great lengths in determining which font style and 
>> size to
>> use on consumer products as well as which colors are most alluring,
>> calming, friendly, inviting, etc.
>>
>> Admittedly, there are personal preferences but there is also empirical
>> evidence gleaned from focus groups and studies re: which font 
>> styles/size
>> and colors affect people in what ways.
>>
>> So, let's have our own focus group, shall we?!
>>
>> What's your choice for most legible font style/size/color - and why?
>>
>> Thank you - Merci- Gracias - Grazi - Domo!
>>
>> Charles.
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

2017-06-12 Thread Dave Stevens 
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:18:53 -0400
charles meyer  wrote:

> Ahoy my esteemed and steamy mates,
> 
> I'm looking for your experienced suggestions of which font(s) have you

I've been using SIL's Gentium, both Basic and Plus with nice results
for short to medium docs.

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

2017-06-12 Thread John Jason Jordan 
On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 16:04:04 +
Virgil Arrington  dijo:

>I would recommend Robert Bringhurst's excellent book, "The Elements
>of Typographic Style."

+1

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

2017-06-12 Thread Virgil Arrington 
You will find there is a difference between legibility and readability. 
Legibility deals with how easily recognizable given letters are. 
However, when we read, we don't read individual letters. Rather, we read 
words or, more accurately, groups of words, at a time. When reading, 
word shapes are more important than letter shapes.

Thus, a sans-serif typeface can be very legible, but not necessarily 
readable. The serifs add visual information to word shapes. For example, 
in a sans-serif type, there is little visible difference between the 
word "Ill" (that's "ill" as in "sick.") and a roman numeral 3 (III). 
Serifs make the two distinguishable.

So, if you're creating a street sign, a sans-serif type in all upper 
case letters might be most legible, but I would hate to read a book in 
ALL UPPER CASE SANS SERIF TYPE.

Likewise, Bookman Old Style is very legible, but it wouldn't be my first 
choice for a novel length book. It's very legibility could work against 
it for long-term reading.

If you want to dive into this world (let me warn you, it's addictive and 
can feed obsessiveness), I would recommend Robert Bringhurst's excellent 
book, "The Elements of Typographic Style."

Virgil


On 06/10/2017 01:18 PM, charles meyer wrote:
> Ahoy my esteemed and steamy mates,
>
> I'm looking for your experienced suggestions of which font(s) have you
> found to be most clearly legible?
>
> There are fonts you can see clearly even though they're in size 8 or
> smaller or from a great distance.
>
> I've noticed this as well on street signs. Some characters, even though
> larger, are less legible because of style and not size than others.
>
> I often use Bookman Old Style for that reason. I find Times New Roman
> blends so it's less legible.
>
> Anyone work ( or have a life partner, relative or fried) who works at an ad
> agency?
>
> Ad agencies go to great lengths in determining which font style and size to
> use on consumer products as well as which colors are most alluring,
> calming, friendly, inviting, etc.
>
> Admittedly, there are personal preferences but there is also empirical
> evidence gleaned from focus groups and studies re: which font styles/size
> and colors affect people in what ways.
>
> So, let's have our own focus group, shall we?!
>
> What's your choice for most legible font style/size/color - and why?
>
> Thank you - Merci- Gracias - Grazi - Domo!
>
> Charles.
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

2017-06-11 Thread toki 
On 06/10/2017 05:18 PM, charles meyer wrote:

> I'm looking for your experienced suggestions of which font(s) have you found 
> to be most clearly legible?

What language?
What writing system?
Used where?
For what type of content?

From my perspective, there is no such thing as a legible font for
writing Afrikaans, when using either the Arabic or the Latin writing system.

For everything other than Hebrew, Greek, and English, I use Google's (or
is it Alphabet's?) NoTo font family. Their primary, if not only virtue,
is that it is pan-Unicode.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

2017-06-11 Thread Tim-L--Elmira-NY 


Everyone has access to different fonts, but here is the "best" one[s] I 
just tried.


I am writing this from a 15" laptop at 1360x768 resolution. I have the 
Writer document viewing size marked at 100%.


I tried a number of fonts using 8 point font size.

The best font I have installed on my system is the DejaVu Sans family.  
The smallest shown was the Condensed version.  7 point started to blur a 
little on my screen, and 6 point was no good at all.


That said, when I printed the sample text using 6 point DejaVu Sans 
Condensed on a 1200dpi, it was clearly readable from 18 inches away.


I know others may have a different font that works best for them, but 
this is the font that I have installed that reads best at 6-8 points of 
size.



On 06/11/2017 10:51 AM, Ricardo wrote:

El 2017-06-10 19:18, charles meyer escribió:

Ahoy my esteemed and steamy mates,

I'm looking for your experienced suggestions of which font(s) have you
found to be most clearly legible?


The "ideal typeface" is one of those arguments in which you'll find as 
many answers (if not more) as people answering ;)


Here it is a somewhat random and clearly incomplete list of awesome 
typefaces with a F(L)OSS licence:


I love EBGaramond, but be aware that it has no bold nor bold italic (yet)
http://www.georgduffner.at/ebgaramond/download.html

A really nice "old style" font full of OpenType magic is Cochineal
http://www.ctan.org/pkg/cochineal

In fact, I can say that any font from Michael Sharpe is a Good Font. 
As an example, if you want to be able to print at low resolution but 
with good results you may try his fork of Bitstream Charter, xcharter

http://www.ctan.org/pkg/xcharter

If you want a "Times better than Times" I highly recommend Libertinus, 
a fork of Linux Libertine/Biolinum

https://github.com/khaledhosny/libertinus

Another "times alike" font is Stix Two
http://stixfonts.org/

A great, original font full of OpenType specialities is Vollkorn
http://vollkorn-typeface.com/

and don't forget the TeX Gyre collection and the Latin Modern family, 
both from the GUST foundry

http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/latin-modern

Have fun!

Regards,
Ricardo





There are fonts you can see clearly even though they're in size 8 or
smaller or from a great distance.

I've noticed this as well on street signs. Some characters, even though
larger, are less legible because of style and not size than others.

I often use Bookman Old Style for that reason. I find Times New Roman
blends so it's less legible.

Anyone work ( or have a life partner, relative or fried) who works at 
an ad

agency?

Ad agencies go to great lengths in determining which font style and 
size to

use on consumer products as well as which colors are most alluring,
calming, friendly, inviting, etc.

Admittedly, there are personal preferences but there is also empirical
evidence gleaned from focus groups and studies re: which font 
styles/size

and colors affect people in what ways.

So, let's have our own focus group, shall we?!

What's your choice for most legible font style/size/color - and why?

Thank you - Merci- Gracias - Grazi - Domo!

Charles.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

2017-06-11 Thread Ricardo 

El 2017-06-10 19:18, charles meyer escribió:

Ahoy my esteemed and steamy mates,

I'm looking for your experienced suggestions of which font(s) have you
found to be most clearly legible?


The "ideal typeface" is one of those arguments in which you'll find as 
many answers (if not more) as people answering ;)


Here it is a somewhat random and clearly incomplete list of awesome 
typefaces with a F(L)OSS licence:


I love EBGaramond, but be aware that it has no bold nor bold italic 
(yet)

http://www.georgduffner.at/ebgaramond/download.html

A really nice "old style" font full of OpenType magic is Cochineal
http://www.ctan.org/pkg/cochineal

In fact, I can say that any font from Michael Sharpe is a Good Font. As 
an example, if you want to be able to print at low resolution but with 
good results you may try his fork of Bitstream Charter, xcharter

http://www.ctan.org/pkg/xcharter

If you want a "Times better than Times" I highly recommend Libertinus, a 
fork of Linux Libertine/Biolinum

https://github.com/khaledhosny/libertinus

Another "times alike" font is Stix Two
http://stixfonts.org/

A great, original font full of OpenType specialities is Vollkorn
http://vollkorn-typeface.com/

and don't forget the TeX Gyre collection and the Latin Modern family, 
both from the GUST foundry

http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/latin-modern

Have fun!

Regards,
Ricardo





There are fonts you can see clearly even though they're in size 8 or
smaller or from a great distance.

I've noticed this as well on street signs. Some characters, even though
larger, are less legible because of style and not size than others.

I often use Bookman Old Style for that reason. I find Times New Roman
blends so it's less legible.

Anyone work ( or have a life partner, relative or fried) who works at 
an ad

agency?

Ad agencies go to great lengths in determining which font style and 
size to

use on consumer products as well as which colors are most alluring,
calming, friendly, inviting, etc.

Admittedly, there are personal preferences but there is also empirical
evidence gleaned from focus groups and studies re: which font 
styles/size

and colors affect people in what ways.

So, let's have our own focus group, shall we?!

What's your choice for most legible font style/size/color - and why?

Thank you - Merci- Gracias - Grazi - Domo!

Charles.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

2017-06-11 Thread Virgil Arrington 
For print media, I like Bookman, Century Schoolbook, and Palatino for 
legibility.

I'm still wrestling with finding my favorites for onscreen work. I like OFL 
Sorts Mill Goudy, and Baskerville (which I find is too fragile for laser print 
work). I also like Verdana as a legible sans serif for onscreen work.

A good Times alternative is Linux Libertine, which has the same general letter 
shape as Times, but is not as condensed. I use it for my general business work.

Virgil



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 Original message 
From: charles meyer 
Date: 6/10/17 12:22 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the 
Critics

Ahoy my esteemed and steamy mates,

I'm looking for your experienced suggestions of which font(s) have you
found to be most clearly legible?

There are fonts you can see clearly even though they're in size 8 or
smaller or from a great distance.

I've noticed this as well on street signs. Some characters, even though
larger, are less legible because of style and not size than others.

I often use Bookman Old Style for that reason. I find Times New Roman
blends so it's less legible.

Anyone work ( or have a life partner, relative or fried) who works at an ad
agency?

Ad agencies go to great lengths in determining which font style and size to
use on consumer products as well as which colors are most alluring,
calming, friendly, inviting, etc.

Admittedly, there are personal preferences but there is also empirical
evidence gleaned from focus groups and studies re: which font styles/size
and colors affect people in what ways.

So, let's have our own focus group, shall we?!

What's your choice for most legible font style/size/color - and why?

Thank you - Merci- Gracias - Grazi - Domo!

Charles.

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