Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions
On 24/07/13 16:12, Bill Zaffer wrote: I heard about your system on Corbett Report. The reason I would want to join is do not want NSA checking my emails or other forms of communications. Am I protected with your site. Also, if I join your system, do I drop my Cox Internet Connection or still keep it plus with emails do I get to keep my Outlook or hotmail accounts? William Zaffer www.zafferhomes.com Scottsdale, Arizona 480-201-7387 Stop being exploited, learn to eat healthier at home, learn to live a Earth Friendly lifestyle, shop local, and buy more American but moderate consumption. We need to rethink and restructure the system. It is not sustainable. If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original.” Hello Bill You may have some misunderstanding about this email list. I'm no tech, but what I can say is this and others will no doubt correct me and give more info too: (1) this is an email-based discussion/ support list for people using LibreOffice, an open source alternative to MS Office. It does not require you to join anything (although you can subscribe for nothing to receive replies to your emails - hence I've cc'd you, since I don't know if you subscribed or not). The good news is that because LibO is open source, the chances for the NSA to have a backdoor access to this suite is vanishingly small ... although, of course, using Microsoft as your operating system already means that the NSA have a backdoor into your system - that is to say, that Microsoft is a surveillance enabled system in its own right. This is a link http://tinyurl.com/m2hnbv6 to a google search for microsoft nsa backdoor giving 524,000 results. (2) this will in no way stop the NSA from reading your emails. If you want to do that, you have some options. One is to review http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml find out who voted No to the Amash Amendment and lobby those to actually represent the interests of the American people in matters of privacy and civil liberties (2nd and 4th Amendment Rights) rather than fuel the paranoid Security Industry agenda for Full Spectrum Dominance. Another would be to visit http://stopprism.org as well as choosing software alternatives from https://prism-break.org/ (3) If you wanted a more secure email, sign up for Hush Mail which claims to encrypt your emails and not to record IP addresses http://www.hushmail.com or just create phoney Google accounts, and use a proxy or a VPN to log into and use these. (4) This site does not provide an ISP, so you will have to keep your existing Net provider unless you decide to opt for an alternative. I hope this helps clarify some things for you. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions
Hi :) This list is not deliberately giving specific agencies any information or posts from individuals. All your login info is protected as much as can reasonably be done (although i'm sure all sensible people give wrong information or just leave most of it blank). The posts you make are the only thing that is given out but they are publicly available by anyone, anywhere that has a web-browser possibly further. If your posts indicate you are from a specific town then some people might remember that or find it in the archives. So, obviously you would give a fake town or just not tell anyone and not hand out business cards or flyers or anything unless you wanted people to know. I vaguely recall having heard of Tor web-browsing https://www.torproject.org/ However, i heard it is quite slow. Also, as sun shine pointed out it's a bit of a waste of time i you are using Windows. There are a few OSes, such as versions of GnuLinux that do an amazing amount to protect your privacy https://tails.boum.org/ https://whonix.org/wiki/Main_Page both use Tor. If you run either of those on a machine, especially if it's not connected to the internet then you can be reasonably sure no-one can snoop. Tails has a page at DistroWatch so i feel reasonably confident about suggesting them http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=tails Probably others too but i didn't spend long looking. Whonix doesn't appear on DW although does that mean they are not GnuLinux (or Bsd) or that they are more extremely careful and really don't want to be known? Mostly i think these sorts of things are developed to protect canny journos, or people living in dangerous and paranoid countries. Military organisations seem to have only just caught onto the idea that a LiveCd is a pretty neat idea for keeping sessions secure but hopefully that is just their public face and they are working on these sorts of tools in the back-ground. Most people seem quite happy to share almost everything with everyone freely on-line through Facebook, MySpace and all the rest. Not so much a hidden back-door but a wide open front-door and in a knock all the walls down type of way. Everyone is spying on everyone else and happily uploading pictures and whatnot of everyone anywhere without any regard to any sort of privacy. We, collectively, sold out our right to privacy (in countries that bothered to pay lip-service to such concepts that have never really existed anywhere in reality) gleefully years ago. Btw for the first time in just under a decade the UbuntuForums.Com got hacked and all users email addresses got collected. However, swift action (perhaps automated?) shut the whole site down to attempt to prevent any other data getting siphoned off. I changed all my Ubuntu-related passwords quite quickly because i get paranoid quite easily so i was expecting other sites to domino but that never happened and all other sites have remained safe. Regards from Tom :) From: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: bzaf...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 10:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions On 24/07/13 16:12, Bill Zaffer wrote: I heard about your system on Corbett Report. The reason I would want to join is do not want NSA checking my emails or other forms of communications. Am I protected with your site. Also, if I join your system, do I drop my Cox Internet Connection or still keep it plus with emails do I get to keep my Outlook or hotmail accounts? William Zaffer www.zafferhomes.com Scottsdale, Arizona 480-201-7387 Stop being exploited, learn to eat healthier at home, learn to live a Earth Friendly lifestyle, shop local, and buy more American but moderate consumption. We need to rethink and restructure the system. It is not sustainable. If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original.” Hello Bill You may have some misunderstanding about this email list. I'm no tech, but what I can say is this and others will no doubt correct me and give more info too: (1) this is an email-based discussion/ support list for people using LibreOffice, an open source alternative to MS Office. It does not require you to join anything (although you can subscribe for nothing to receive replies to your emails - hence I've cc'd you, since I don't know if you subscribed or not). The good news is that because LibO is open source, the chances for the NSA to have a backdoor access to this suite is vanishingly small ... although, of course, using Microsoft as your operating system already means that the NSA have a backdoor into your system - that is to say, that Microsoft is a surveillance enabled system in its own right. This is a link http://tinyurl.com/m2hnbv6 to a google search for microsoft nsa
Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions
Hi :) Errr, ok, i have re-read this and think i misunderstood a few things. Yes, people do keep going on about security and the dangers of the internet (usually hypocritically) but we do keep your personal data about as safe as, or possibly safer than the Pentagon keeps there's or the space station keeps their commandcontrol systems, or the stock-exchanges around the world keep their's. Like all of them we use one of many unix-based systems. Hmm, not all stock-exchanges are as safe and definitely not all banks! Windows is ok as a desktop but it's not good enough when security is critical. There are many things that would be considered a security problem in unix-based systems that Windows doesn't even worry about at all, such as being forced to shut-down a machine. 1. You keep your existing internet connection. If you want to use a different one from your existing one that has nothing to do with us and if you do change then that doesn't affect us at all. As long as you get access to the internet that's all that matters really. 2. Your hotmail account or other email accounts remain the same. Again that is nothing to do with us. if you change to a different email account then you would have to re-subscribe with the new one. So, it's probably easier to just keep the one you have. Your emails come through your internet connection but if you changed email account or got a 2nd one then that would come through your internet connection too. You could have lots of different email accounts with lots of different companies or even lots from the same company but it's usually better to keep it simple and just have 1 or 2 email accounts. Your internet service provider (=isp) does not need to know about what email accounts you have. If you do ever change your isp then they also don't need to know about your email accounts. Your isp might want to know your email address so that they can write to you. 3. You can keep using Outlook. It is just a tool for reading emails. If you have lots of email accounts then you can probably get Outlook to collect them all for you but you would have to configure Outlook to do that. If you are temporarily without internet access then Outlook can probably show you your old emails but it just wont get any of the new ones until you connect again. People may tell you that you have to change to something else for any of those 3 things but that is much the same as telling you to eat greens or eat more fruit. They might think other tools are better for you but it's your choice as to what you use. Please ignore my earlier post! I thought the question was about something else. Regards from Tom :) From: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: bzaf...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 10:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions On 24/07/13 16:12, Bill Zaffer wrote: I heard about your system on Corbett Report. The reason I would want to join is do not want NSA checking my emails or other forms of communications. Am I protected with your site. Also, if I join your system, do I drop my Cox Internet Connection or still keep it plus with emails do I get to keep my Outlook or hotmail accounts? William Zaffer www.zafferhomes.com Scottsdale, Arizona 480-201-7387 Stop being exploited, learn to eat healthier at home, learn to live a Earth Friendly lifestyle, shop local, and buy more American but moderate consumption. We need to rethink and restructure the system. It is not sustainable. If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original.” Hello Bill You may have some misunderstanding about this email list. I'm no tech, but what I can say is this and others will no doubt correct me and give more info too: (1) this is an email-based discussion/ support list for people using LibreOffice, an open source alternative to MS Office. It does not require you to join anything (although you can subscribe for nothing to receive replies to your emails - hence I've cc'd you, since I don't know if you subscribed or not). The good news is that because LibO is open source, the chances for the NSA to have a backdoor access to this suite is vanishingly small ... although, of course, using Microsoft as your operating system already means that the NSA have a backdoor into your system - that is to say, that Microsoft is a surveillance enabled system in its own right. This is a link http://tinyurl.com/m2hnbv6 to a google search for microsoft nsa backdoor giving 524,000 results. (2) this will in no way stop the NSA from reading your emails. If you want to do that, you have some options. One is to review http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml find out who voted No to the Amash Amendment and lobby those to actually
Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions
Hi Tom Actually, I preferred your first reply :-) But, your second was more to the point of the OP. Cheers On 25/07/13 11:45, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Errr, ok, i have re-read this and think i misunderstood a few things. Yes, people do keep going on about security and the dangers of the internet (usually hypocritically) but we do keep your personal data about as safe as, or possibly safer than the Pentagon keeps there's or the space station keeps their commandcontrol systems, or the stock-exchanges around the world keep their's. Like all of them we use one of many unix-based systems.Hmm, not all stock-exchanges are as safe and definitely not all banks! Windows is ok as a desktop but it's not good enough when security is critical. There are many things that would be considered a security problem in unix-based systems that Windows doesn't even worry about at all, such as being forced to shut-down a machine. 1. You keep your existing internet connection. If you want to use a different one from your existing one that has nothing to do with us and if you do change then that doesn't affect us at all. As long as you get access to the internet that's all that matters really. 2. Your hotmail account or other email accounts remain the same. Again that is nothing to do with us. if you change to a different email account then you would have to re-subscribe with the new one. So, it's probably easier to just keep the one you have. Your emails come through your internet connection but if you changed email account or got a 2nd one then that would come through your internet connection too. You could have lots of different email accounts with lots of different companies or even lots from the same company but it's usually better to keep it simple and just have 1 or 2 email accounts. Your internet service provider (=isp) does not need to know about what email accounts you have. If you do ever change your isp then they also don't need to know about your email accounts. Your isp might want to know your email address so that they can write to you. 3. You can keep using Outlook. It is just a tool for reading emails. If you have lots of email accounts then you can probably get Outlook to collect them all for you but you would have to configure Outlook to do that. If you are temporarily without internet access then Outlook can probably show you your old emails but it just wont get any of the new ones until you connect again. People may tell you that you have to change to something else for any of those 3 things but that is much the same as telling you to eat greens or eat more fruit. They might think other tools are better for you but it's your choice as to what you use. Please ignore my earlier post! I thought the question was about something else. Regards from Tom :) *From:* sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Cc:* bzaf...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013, 10:03 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions On 24/07/13 16:12, Bill Zaffer wrote: I heard about your system on Corbett Report. The reason I would want to join is do not want NSA checking my emails or other forms of communications. Am I protected with your site. Also, if I join your system, do I drop my Cox Internet Connection or still keep it plus with emails do I get to keep my Outlook or hotmail accounts? William Zaffer www.zafferhomes.com Scottsdale, Arizona 480-201-7387 Stop being exploited, learn to eat healthier at home, learn to live a Earth Friendly lifestyle, shop local, and buy more American but moderate consumption. We need to rethink and restructure the system. It is not sustainable. If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original.” Hello Bill You may have some misunderstanding about this email list. I'm no tech, but what I can say is this and others will no doubt correct me and give more info too: (1) this is an email-based discussion/ support list for people using LibreOffice, an open source alternative to MS Office. It does not require you to join anything (although you can subscribe for nothing to receive replies to your emails - hence I've cc'd you, since I don't know if you subscribed or not). The good news is that because LibO is open source, the chances for the NSA to have a backdoor access to this suite is vanishingly small ... although, of course, using Microsoft as your operating system already means that the NSA have a backdoor into your system - that is to say, that Microsoft is a surveillance enabled system in its own right. This is a link http://tinyurl.com/m2hnbv6 to a google search
