Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill. I guess it doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? They could boot him. Then he could get a new email address somewhere else, and start all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat. People like him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA. [snip] I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter? A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot. Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Hi :) +1 i agree that banning or booting is not as easy as it might seem. I think that it's more difficult for a bully to be effective when 1. the mailing list is supportive of individuals coming here and 2. when the mailing list is clearly not of the same opinion as the bully What doesn't help is when the mailing list gets bogged down in some flame-war or has a big fight over the issues or when personal insults fly to-and-fro. When someone new sees insults flying in from both sides it's difficult to see either side as (or any side) as being acceptable. I'm not suggesting that we sweep this under the rug nor that we avoid the issue nor pretend it doesn't exist. It does exist and at the moment we are lucky it is only 1 person. Once MS starts to get seriously worried about LO then history might repeat itself and we find ourselves swamped with many more. We already see that in the Comments sections under many articles, in the press, about LibreOffice. I'm not disagreeing with Tom or anyone else that has argued for banning and other punitive measures. On the contrary i think such measures could well prove useful in many cases and might even work sometimes or at least discourage such behaviour even if they are not always as effective as we would hope for. The more tools we have for dealing with this sort of behaviour the better imo. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 14:40, Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill. I guess it doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? They could boot him. Then he could get a new email address somewhere else, and start all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat. People like him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA. [snip] I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter? A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot. Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
If a given poster is routinely offensive, I find it very effective to ignore said poster. If nobody responds to an offensive post, then the poster loses an audience. Virgil On 05/04/2014 01:24 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 i agree that banning or booting is not as easy as it might seem. I think that it's more difficult for a bully to be effective when 1. the mailing list is supportive of individuals coming here and 2. when the mailing list is clearly not of the same opinion as the bully What doesn't help is when the mailing list gets bogged down in some flame-war or has a big fight over the issues or when personal insults fly to-and-fro. When someone new sees insults flying in from both sides it's difficult to see either side as (or any side) as being acceptable. I'm not suggesting that we sweep this under the rug nor that we avoid the issue nor pretend it doesn't exist. It does exist and at the moment we are lucky it is only 1 person. Once MS starts to get seriously worried about LO then history might repeat itself and we find ourselves swamped with many more. We already see that in the Comments sections under many articles, in the press, about LibreOffice. I'm not disagreeing with Tom or anyone else that has argued for banning and other punitive measures. On the contrary i think such measures could well prove useful in many cases and might even work sometimes or at least discourage such behaviour even if they are not always as effective as we would hope for. The more tools we have for dealing with this sort of behaviour the better imo. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 14:40, Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill. I guess it doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? They could boot him. Then he could get a new email address somewhere else, and start all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat. People like him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA. [snip] I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter? A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot. Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Jim Seymour wrote: Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. That is indeed sensible advise. And now let's return to normal levels of civility here on this list. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
On Sun, 4 May 2014 09:40:36 -0400 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill. I guess it doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? They could boot him. Then he could get a new email address somewhere else, and start all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat. People like him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA. [snip] I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter? A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot. Jim +1 Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.14.2-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Apr 27 11:28:44 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
+1 Virgil There is no worse contempt that not to do appreciation. Miguel Ángel -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/crash-crash-crash-crash-tp4106932p4107580.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? If a forum participant behaves here as if they were lost in some pre-adolescent level of maturity, I think they are not ready to be here. This is not a playground for bullies or want-to-be sociopaths. I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Tom C. On 05/03/2014 09:48 AM, Urmas wrote: To: Urmas ; LibreOffice User's Help Forum Don't reply to my E-mail address, you fucking idiot. -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Hi Tom, Urmas was put to forced moderation only recently. We are under strict orders to let only those posts through, that do not insult anyone on the list. Even though we don't let everything through to the list from him, he still can send out emails directly to the people in question. I don't think that there is much use in banning him from the mailing lists itself, since he could just register a new email address and re-subscribe with this new address. But rest assured, we're trying very hard to keep this list a reasonable family-friendly place where we show respect for the other members. Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Sigrid, I thank you for your attention to this matter. Since his behavior appears to be to send aggressively worded, intimidating messages to forum members which only they see, I STRONGLY URGE anyone receiving such messages to report them publicly to the forum. That way, the privacy which allows such behavior to continue is completely subverted. Helpful, constructive posts are surely welcome here. Intimidating, personally aggressive ones absolutely are not. That is my position, and I doubt that anyone will have much objection to it. Now, just follow through with the suggested response I've outlined, and this behavior should cease. Sigrid, thanks again for your speedy response. Tom C. On 05/03/2014 04:31 PM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: Hi Tom, Urmas was put to forced moderation only recently. We are under strict orders to let only those posts through, that do not insult anyone on the list. Even though we don't let everything through to the list from him, he still can send out emails directly to the people in question. I don't think that there is much use in banning him from the mailing lists itself, since he could just register a new email address and re-subscribe with this new address. But rest assured, we're trying very hard to keep this list a reasonable family-friendly place where we show respect for the other members. Sigrid -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
I rest my case. Again: if anyone receives privately anything remotely like this, I suggest you share it with the list. This problem should concern us all, I think. Tom C. On 05/03/2014 07:25 PM, Urmas wrote: You piece of fucking idiot, who gave you the permission to publish my messages to you? Then again, STOP adding me to the To section. Am I clear enough this time, idiot? -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
