[389-users] Problem with ldif import and empty attributes
Hi, I try to migrate an old Netscape Directory Server to 389ds. When I import the export database, I get a lor of reject because of empty attributes . I get reject like : Error adding object 'dn: uid=XX,o=Annuaire,o=directoryRoot'. The error sent by the server was 'null. l: value #0 invalid per syntax c: value #0 invalid per syntax I test with centos-ds 8.1.0 and I didn't get these errors. Is there a way to configure 389ds to accept empty attributes ? Rgs Ldif example : dn: uid=XX,o=Annuaire,o=directoryRoot objectclass: top objectclass: person objectclass: organizationalPerson objectclass: inetorgperson c: cn: X Christelle givenname: Christelle l: mail: cxx...@xx.com o: Annuaire sn: XX uid: CXX smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
[389-users] FDS oid control for SunDS feature
Hi everyone, I have been struggling with this one for a while. In switching to 389, I am trying to figure out how to get my Solaris clients working with account management and ssh keys. SunDS 5.? has an oid control that allows for account management and ssh keys to proceed with their server, and I was wondering if anyone has deal with a similar instance of such on 389. I would really prefer to use the native ldap settings that comes with Solaris. Thanks, Chuck Gilbert -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] Problem with ldif import and empty attributes
BLANQUART Fabrice wrote: Hi, I try to migrate an old Netscape Directory Server to 389ds. When I import the export database, I get a lor of reject because of empty attributes . I get reject like : Error adding object 'dn: uid=XX,o=Annuaire,o=directoryRoot'. The error sent by the server was 'null. l: value #0 invalid per syntax c: value #0 invalid per syntax I test with centos-ds 8.1.0 and I didn’t get these errors. Is there a way to configure 389ds to accept empty attributes ? Yes, set nsslapd-syntaxcheck: off in dse.ldif cn=config. But I strongly discourage you to do this. You should remove these attributes, or set them to real values, or you will be asking for trouble in the future. Rgs Ldif example : dn: uid=XX,o=Annuaire,o=directoryRoot objectclass: top objectclass: person objectclass: organizationalPerson objectclass: inetorgperson c: cn: X Christelle givenname: Christelle l: mail: cxx...@xx.com o: Annuaire sn: XX uid: CXX -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Brother HL-2040 not printing
Hi all, Has anyone had any success printing to a Brother HL-2040 in Fedora 11/12? I've had one for a few years now and it's worked right up until F11. I thought it was the printer itself at the time, but someone just tried it with a Mac and it worked fine. There is no error on the computer, it tells me the document printed. The printer LED starts to blink as though it is about to start but after about 10 seconds it stops again. I'm using the Brother HL-2060 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.4 Simplified driver. -Phil -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brother HL-2040 not printing
Hi Phil I have a Brother HL-2030-Series. When I installed F11 it behaved like you described. I had to change the printer driver using the Web Interface to cups. now my /etc/cups/printers.conf looks like (MakeModel defines the driver): # Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.4.2 # Written by cupsd on 2010-02-12 15:11 # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE WHEN CUPSD IS RUNNING DefaultPrinter HL-2030-series Info Brother HL-2030 series Location printerserver.mydomain.com MakeModel Brother HL-2060 Foomatic/hpijs (recommended) DeviceURI usb://Brother/HL-2030%20series State Idle StateTime 1265902348 Type 8425492 Filter application/vnd.cups-raw 0 - Filter application/vnd.cups-postscript 100 foomatic-rip Filter application/vnd.cups-pdf 0 foomatic-rip Filter application/vnd.apple-pdf 25 foomatic-rip Accepting Yes Shared Yes JobSheets none none QuotaPeriod 0 PageLimit 0 KLimit 0 OpPolicy default ErrorPolicy stop-printer /Printer suomi On 02/26/2010 09:28 AM, Philip Heron wrote: Hi all, Has anyone had any success printing to a Brother HL-2040 in Fedora 11/12? I've had one for a few years now and it's worked right up until F11. I thought it was the printer itself at the time, but someone just tried it with a Mac and it worked fine. There is no error on the computer, it tells me the document printed. The printer LED starts to blink as though it is about to start but after about 10 seconds it stops again. I'm using the Brother HL-2060 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.4 Simplified driver. -Phil -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brother HL-2040 not printing
Oh yeah, I've been here before. Use the Brother driver On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Philip Heron p...@sanslogic.co.uk wrote: Hi all, Has anyone had any success printing to a Brother HL-2040 in Fedora 11/12? I've had one for a few years now and it's worked right up until F11. I thought it was the printer itself at the time, but someone just tried it with a Mac and it worked fine. There is no error on the computer, it tells me the document printed. The printer LED starts to blink as though it is about to start but after about 10 seconds it stops again. I'm using the Brother HL-2060 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.4 Simplified driver. -Phil -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which VIDEO-PLAYER ?
On Friday 26 February 2010 00:44:57 j.halifax . wrote: Questions are the following: - Which video-player to use - How to call it from the web site for running it in a frame I think VLC and its streaming capabilities might do what you want to achieve. You can further investigate there:: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ HTH, Jorge -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which VIDEO-PLAYER ?
On your web site you create an anchor to a video file, at the client side (the computer visiting your site), the appropriate video player will be launched. You could do a php script to do it a loop of videos. On 25 February 2010 23:44, j.halifax . j.hali...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi video-gurus, Could you please give me an advice of which video-player (some SW) to use for the following task on FC12_64 ? (1) I need to create a web-site on my PC with a PLAYER playing video in one of its frames (2) The video-content played should be an endless list of small video-shots with their names (or data) being read from standard input of the player or from an infinitely growing file or pipe Questions are the following: - Which video-player to use - How to call it from the web site for running it in a frame Thank you so much... jh -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora Install
I would like to get any flavor of Linux installed to my older-generation computer. I have 2 old computers: x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 AT/AT Compatible 130,596 KB Ram Intel (R) 4 CPU 1400 MHz 130,352 KB Ram I know that x86 is a Pentium 3. I have tried 2 different downloaded versions of the single CD install: Fedora 12 i686-LIVE I don't want a dual boot - I want a clean install. I have tried it at least 15 times. It boots to the disk and gets to various places each time. Sometimes it freezes soon on the lemon icon blue screen. Usually it gets past that, sometimes to the Press 'I' to enter interactive startup. It takes the 'I' I press, but never does anything after that. I have let it run all night, but it doesn't do anything else. I want to make a move from Win to Linux and need a starting point. Buying a new computer is not out-of-the-question, but I'd like to put that off until later if possible. I have an old Dell portable and a 64 bit Linux 2-yo portable I am also willing to use for this. I am open to any suggestions on what to do and what to use. Mike Flannigan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to sort by date in descending order
Richard Cahilig wrote: Hi, Guys I need your help, I have a text file which contains these data below, and I want to sort it by date in descending order. I tried to use sort -rn command but it gives me different output. I know I missing something but I just can't figure it out. files 03-Sep-2009 [...] files 07-Jul-2006 Your help is very much appreciated. Thanks. while read a b; do s1=`date --date $b +%s`; echo $s1 $a $b;done yourfile.txt | sort -nr -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to sort by date in descending order
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 12:59 +0100, Richard Cahilig wrote: Hi, Guys I need your help, I have a text file which contains these data below, and I want to sort it by date in descending order. I tried to use sort -rn command but it gives me different output. You just told it to sort in reverse numerical order. You can't directly do what you want with 'sort' as it has no concept of date order. However it does a concept of 'month', so you might be able to run a pipeline of several calls to sort, first by year, then by month and finally by day. Left as an exercise for the reader :-) Or look around for some Perl script which no doubt has already been written. Google is your friend. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which VIDEO-PLAYER ?
I think VLC and its streaming capabilities might do what you want to achieve. Actually, I don't need to stream the content, but your idea is good. I can stream the content and to see the result in the same PC in the browser. :) Thank you! jh Původní zpráva Od: Jorge Fábregas jorge.fabre...@gmail.com Předmět: Re: Which VIDEO-PLAYER ? Datum: 26.2.2010 13:26:39 On Friday 26 February 2010 00:44:57 j.halifax . wrote: Questions are the following: - Which video-player to use - How to call it from the web site for running it in a frame I think VLC and its streaming capabilities might do what you want to achieve. You can further investigate there:: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ HTH, Jorge -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which VIDEO-PLAYER ?
j.halifax . wrote: I think VLC and its streaming capabilities might do what you want to achieve. Actually, I don't need to stream the content, but your idea is good. I can stream the content and to see the result in the same PC in the browser. :) Thank you! jh Původní zpráva Od: Jorge Fábregas jorge.fabre...@gmail.com Předmět: Re: Which VIDEO-PLAYER ? Datum: 26.2.2010 13:26:39 On Friday 26 February 2010 00:44:57 j.halifax . wrote: Questions are the following: - Which video-player to use - How to call it from the web site for running it in a frame I think VLC and its streaming capabilities might do what you want to achieve. You can further investigate there:: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ HTH, Jorge -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines To call an in frame media player in a web browser, sort of like they do with YouTube, if I am guessing correctly what you want to do, you need to host the html file on a web server, and use the embed tags to embed the media into the page: EMBED SRC=../graphics/sounds/1812over.mid HEIGHT=60 WIDTH=144 (as an example) To get more complex with this use that code and either set up a CGI file or a php file that can do all the dynamic settings you require. Most of the responses I have seen seem to be looking at it from a client perspective, that can stream a playlist to a client. I honestly have never gotten VLC to really work in a stream mode, but the html embed stuff, and other media control html works perfectly. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [389-users] FDS oid control for SunDS feature
Charles Gilbert wrote: Hi everyone, I have been struggling with this one for a while. In switching to 389, I am trying to figure out how to get my Solaris clients working with account management and ssh keys. SunDS 5.? has an oid control that allows for account management and ssh keys to proceed with their server, and I was wondering if anyone has deal with a similar instance of such on 389. I would really prefer to use the native ldap settings that comes with Solaris. Can you provide more information about this feature? Thanks, Chuck Gilbert -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: Which VIDEO-PLAYER ?
On your web site you create an anchor to a video file, at the client side (the computer visiting your site), the appropriate video player will be launched. You could do a php script to do it a loop of videos. Probably I didn't explain the task well. Everything should run in the same PC. (i.e. no Internet, client and no server). I am afraid that the loop would require restarting the player SW and breaks in the content. Thank you for your idea! jh Původní zpráva Od: Luis Costabile lcostab...@gmail.com Předmět: Re: Which VIDEO-PLAYER ? Datum: 26.2.2010 14:02:35 On your web site you create an anchor to a video file, at the client side (the computer visiting your site), the appropriate video player will be launched. You could do a php script to do it a loop of videos. On 25 February 2010 23:44, j.halifax . j.hali...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi video-gurus, Could you please give me an advice of which video-player (some SW) to use for the following task on FC12_64 ? (1) I need to create a web-site on my PC with a PLAYER playing video in one of its frames (2) The video-content played should be an endless list of small video-shots with their names (or data) being read from standard input of the player or from an infinitely growing file or pipe Questions are the following: - Which video-player to use - How to call it from the web site for running it in a frame Thank you so much... jh -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to sort by date in descending order
On 26 February 2010 13:40, Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote: Richard Cahilig wrote: Hi, Guys I need your help, I have a text file which contains these data below, and I want to sort it by date in descending order. I tried to use sort -rn command but it gives me different output. I know I missing something but I just can't figure it out. files 03-Sep-2009 [...] files 07-Jul-2006 Your help is very much appreciated. Thanks. while read a b; do s1=`date --date $b +%s`; echo $s1 $a $b;done yourfile.txt | sort -nr Very nice. Just one small addition - pass the output through cut to get back to the original data format: while read a b; do s1=`date --date $b +%s`; echo $s1 $a $b;done yourfile.txt | sort -nr | cut -f 2- -d ' ' Dave... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Firefox has turned into a lynx
It looks like since the most recent update, on one of my laptops, Firefox comes up showing the designated start page, but without processing its stylesheet, so the end result looks like a slightly marked-up lynx. I can hit the home button, and get the home page reloaded properly. I tried switching to a different home page, and clearing the cache -- makes no difference. It's only a minor annoyance, but I'm curious if anyone else sees the same behavior. pgpDmTEHC9LVC.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
SAMBA poor performance
Hi, I've recently noticed an extremely poor performance when trasfering files from Linux to a Windows XP notebook using samba. The notebook is using a wireless connection so I initially tought about some interferences from nearby devices but I can transfer up to 300KB/sec. from the internet so it isn't the wireless connection. Transfering from Linux is running at 8-20KB/sec., it wasn't that slow initially, unfortunately I don't use samba so often to know when it started to degrade. I tried some suggestions found on the web without any effect. I'm still using Fedora 10/x86_64 and can't update in the near future, samba version is 3.2.15-0.36. Any suggestion ? Regards, Marco. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Video card for three heads?
All - I'm currently dual head and I like it a lot, but I'd really like three monitors. I use the heck out of compiz, so I need a card or cards and drivers which will drive three monitors with accelerated X. Anyone doing this? What card/driver combo do you use? -- Thomas -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SAMBA poor performance
G'day Marco, * Marco Maccaferri ma...@maccasoft.com [100226 19:03] wrote: Hi, I've recently noticed an extremely poor performance when trasfering files from Linux to a Windows XP notebook using samba. The notebook is using a wireless connection so I initially tought about some interferences from nearby devices but I can transfer up to 300KB/sec. from the internet so it isn't the wireless connection. Transfering from Linux is running at 8-20KB/sec., it wasn't that slow initially, unfortunately I don't use samba so often to know when it started to degrade. I tried some suggestions found on the web without any effect. I'm still using Fedora 10/x86_64 and can't update in the near future, samba version is 3.2.15-0.36. Any suggestion ? to global section add this: socket options= TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 -- Janek http://janek.wroc.prv.pl/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SAMBA poor performance
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 19:15 +0100, Jan Litwiński wrote: G'day Marco, * Marco Maccaferri ma...@maccasoft.com [100226 19:03] wrote: Hi, I've recently noticed an extremely poor performance when trasfering files from Linux to a Windows XP notebook using samba. The notebook is using a wireless connection so I initially tought about some interferences from nearby devices but I can transfer up to 300KB/sec. from the internet so it isn't the wireless connection. Transfering from Linux is running at 8-20KB/sec., it wasn't that slow initially, unfortunately I don't use samba so often to know when it started to degrade. I tried some suggestions found on the web without any effect. I'm still using Fedora 10/x86_64 and can't update in the near future, samba version is 3.2.15-0.36. Any suggestion ? to global section add this: socket options= TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 TCP_NODELAY is the default now the rest of those options were useful for 2.4 kernels but of no impact on current distributions and I don't understand why people persist on using them. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SAMBA poor performance
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:55 +0100, Marco Maccaferri wrote: Hi, I've recently noticed an extremely poor performance when trasfering files from Linux to a Windows XP notebook using samba. The notebook is using a wireless connection so I initially tought about some interferences from nearby devices but I can transfer up to 300KB/sec. from the internet so it isn't the wireless connection. Transfering from Linux is running at 8-20KB/sec., it wasn't that slow initially, unfortunately I don't use samba so often to know when it started to degrade. I tried some suggestions found on the web without any effect. I'm still using Fedora 10/x86_64 and can't update in the near future, samba version is 3.2.15-0.36. Any suggestion ? yes, prove it... Comparing your Internet speeds is not the same thing. Try transferring a large file via scp or ftp or sftp and comparing that with the samba connection. (WinSCP is freely available for your Windows laptop). I would bet that the speeds are the same samba scp and that samba is not at all the issue but this is the surest way to know. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Emacs has very large characters
Hello, I installed emacs from software that comes with Fedora 12, the characters are so large that makes unusable. Any body know how to correct it to a standard font? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F12: LiveCD gparted
I thought I'd make a note of this here. When booting from F12 LiveCD, yum install gparted downloads fine, but then when one wants to reformat a [ext4] partition, it barfs quite badly - something about using one of gparted libraries. It corrupts the tables. Interestingly, doing an fsck on that partition recovers the superblock and restores that partition. Also, if one uses the anaconda's installation program, it is able to reformat the partition and of course complete the installation just fine. I downloaded: gparted-0.5.1-1.fc12.i686 at the time. FWIW, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Many bugs: pdf, Thunderbird, Firefox, goes knows.
Hi, On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:42:09 -0500 Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Some people seem to have problems opening pdf documents with Fedora 12, but my problem is slightly different. Until 2 updates ago, everything was fine, but now, if I click a pdf file at Google's, it downloads but doesn't open I click Tools, Downloads the click the pdf file. That's not all. If I click a URL in Thunderbird, it doesn't open. I've got to right click it, then choose Copy, then I'm asked if I want to open it in the browser, I click Firefox, it opens. So, I've sent me a message with a URL. When I click it, I receive the following message: Could not open the link. (This can be copy/pasted) Failed to execute child process /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.6/firefox (No such file or directory). Of course, I have 3.5.8 installed. (This part of the error message cannot be copy/pasted. What's the fundamental reason for this?) Maybe if I could redirect the system to the right copy of Firefox, it would solve all problems? How is this done? Just checking: did you quit your firefox and restart after the update? This may solve most of your problems, if not. I must admit I've seen the little red rat appear quite often lately in the top panel. I try not to care too much about it, but it seems there are consequences. Little red rat? I don't have anything of that sort here: I confess I am using the LXDE spin, though. 10 days ago, one copy of Firefox after another started opening. I jumped on the modem switch. Then, ALT-F4 couldn't stop the number of open windows from increasing. I rebooted, but the reboot process didn't work: the screen went black before the boot screen and everything stopped there with the HD emitting loud clicks. I went into the BIOS and noticed pretty much every option -- by this I mean even the failsafe option -- had been grayed out. Tried to reboot in vain. Went back to the BIOS and saved the options available before quitting. The system booted fine. I'll have to check the BIOS = CMOS option to reload the defaults. Or I'll just remove the battery. What exactly is this system and its specs? Ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Moblin to Fedora via usbdrive on netbook
Hi Folks, Its time to rip Moblin replace with Fedora on my asus netbook. I setup an image using the instructions on htis link... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo#System_Requirements but upon boot, i get a short quick error msg and then moblin boots. Has anyone successfully used the usb drive approach to load fedora on a netbook/ if so, any clues to share? tia, jackc... -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays
On 02/26/2010 03:02 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 03:27:53PM +, Michal wrote: On 25/02/2010 14:00, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Marcel Rieuxm.z.ri...@gmail.com said: I was under the impression that, at most small ISPs, Linux had replaced Unix and played a central role in making things work. But today, I spoke to an ISP employee who told me that Linux was only used for Web servers and that, for routing and firewalling, nobody escaped companies Cisco and Juniper which provide solutions where part of the software has been integrated into hardware for efficiency purposes. Servers don't really make good routers. When you are talking about traditional low- to mid-speed telco circuits (T1, T3), there have never been good, well-supported, cost-effective solutions for connecting those directly to Linux systems for routing that could compete with a basic Juniper or Cisco (or Adtran or ...) on price and ease of use. When you start talking about SONET links (OC-3 and up), Linux AFAIK doesn't handle things like protected paths and the like, and then you also quickly pass the performance capability of commodity hardware. Newer WAN circuits are using Ethernet, but you need OAM (which Linux doesn't support) to properly manage them as a replacement for traditional telco circuits. Real routers (aka Juniper and Cisco) use hardware-based forwarding that can run at line rate for 1G, 10G, and 100G interfaces. Dynamic routing has always been pretty weak in Linux as well. I have a few systems running Quagga for various purposes, but it is not nearly as powerful and flexible as a traditional router. Now, Juniper routers all run FreeBSD, but that's only on the routing engine (where the management and routing daemons run), not the forwarding engine (where the actual packet forwarding takes place). Juniper wrote all their own routing, PPP management, etc. daemons from scratch. It is kind of funny when you spend $100K+ on a router that has a Celeron 850 CPU and a whopping 20G hard drive. :-) I have lots of Linux servers, a few other old Unix servers, and a couple of Linux firewalls, but all my routers are Juniper. I've been working for small ISPs for 14 years, and I've never really seen a time where I would try to push Linux into serious routing. It costs too much on the low end and can't handle the performance on the high end. People have had great success with OpenBSD on firewalls and routers with lots of traffic and 10GB NIC's etc So long as the firewall doesn't have to handle too many rules and the routing decisions are minimal. At those traffic levels, the system would be swamped with interrupts anyway. I think there's some serious measurement issues here. Yeah.. Linux also does OK on this front. Recently there has been reports about pushing 70 - 80 Gbit/sec through a single desktop-class Linux box. Yes, you read it correctly. Well, THAT I don't buy. I've not seen a 100Gbps or 1Tbps PCI-slot NIC. I suppose you could put in an adequate number of 10Gbps NICs in a box...assuming you have enough slots, and I don't think the internal bus on any desktop is capable of moving that kind of data that fast. Not to mention the interrupt storm that'd ensue. The reason there are things like Foundry and Cisco and Juniper is because much of the heavy lifting is done by bitslice engines and dedicated hardware, with a supervisor doling out the jobs and watching over the operation. It's rather irrelevant what the supervisor is...Linux, BSD, OS/2, Plan9, Winblows, whatever. The real grunt work is done by the dedicated chips. This is one reason Cisco has been able to push IoS out to product lines they've acquired so fast. It's easy to port. When you ask a CISC to do the work that a RISC or bitslice does, you're going to get performance issues. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- -I don't suffer from insanity...I enjoy every minute of it! - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Emacs has very large characters
On 2/26/10, Vincent Onelli vone...@optonline.net wrote: Hello, I installed emacs from software that comes with Fedora 12, the characters are so large that makes unusable. Any body know how to correct it to a standard font? First of all, you can Shift-LeftClick in emacs and chose another font. I don't how you can make that choice permanent, but I'm pretty sure you can. (See the emacs manual after hitting Ctrl-h i) You can also start emacs with emacs -fn fontname, and xfontsel helps you find a suitable font. This is very oldschool, but still works. As for me, I put this line: Emacs.font: -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-*-*-1 in my ~/.Xdefaults file. (Beware, that it may have to be called ~/.Xdefaults-yourhost.yourdomain or some such.) HTH, Andras -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SAMBA poor performance
On 26/02/2010 20:23 Craig White ha scritto: Try transferring a large file via scp or ftp or sftp and comparing that with the samba connection. (WinSCP is freely available for your Windows laptop). I would bet that the speeds are the same samba scp and that samba is not at all the issue but this is the surest way to know. Well, you are right, transfering with winscp has the same poor performance as transfering with samba. I guess that something is broken in my network then. Thanks for the suggestion. Regards, Marco. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Rick Stevens ri...@nerd.com wrote: So long as the firewall doesn't have to handle too many rules and the routing decisions are minimal. At those traffic levels, the system would be swamped with interrupts anyway. Err... I believe we're though with this discussion :) Firewalling, routing, all except web servers, you need hardware implemented code. Regards! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Another way around it is to use the nautilus integration with k3b. Unlike k3b, nautilus has a selection for view hidden files. Then you can drag and drop precisely what you need from nautilus to k3b. Ed, I'll let be honest. I sometimes can't help but to think of you as some kind of hermit in his cave, asking all kind of superfluous details and so on, but... once again I must admit that this works :) You're helpful. To answer pretty much all answers in this thread, I'll add that having .thunderbird and .evolution hidden does not seem to me like a good idea. Hidden files should be for configuration, not data. I suppose that's why I have ~/Mail which, I suppose, was added there by default for... I don't know, I suppose some not wysiwyg mail program such as Pine. This is correct. Hidden files will prevent newbies from deleting directories, but why the hell should a user delete a directory named Mail if he doesn't know its purpose? OTOH, hiding the directory will end up in many users not backing it up. IMO, still not a good idea. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:27 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Like many good ideas, I'd say that this one has very little chance of becoming standard practice, given that each Linux app decides for itself where to put its config files As I told Ed, there is more than config files in .evolution and .thunderbird: there is data! More to the point, my answer to the OP would be use a real backup solution. What would you suggest as a real backup solution? By this, i mean something a Mac user could use eyes closed, given that defining a solution that all dummies can use will in no way curtail the options an experimented user has. TimeMachine. I think I already said that. There are also a number of rsync-based solutions for Macs if you Google for them. Why are we talking about Macs anyway? This is a Fedora list. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 16:47 +1100, Chris Smart wrote: I'm sure there's a more accurate historical reason, but all of your application's configuration settings and data are stored that way to avoid you deleting things accidentally and keep your home directory clutter free. Under Windows things are hidden away in weird places like C:\Documents and Settings\User\Local Data\Application Data\ but on Unix, everything related to you sits in your home directory. Where else would they put it? There's been arguments for ~/local/ or ~/.local/ for some time, so that all the stuff you normally don't want to see is one place, and you can use all of your home for yourself, without having to weed through the chaff. It would make backups easy, where you can back up all your configurations, without personal files, or vice versa, without making lots of rules about what to include/exclude. Need I say I'm all for such a solution? I you want to get market share and, in teh end, not only have geeks roaming the web with Lynx, you have to ease things out for newbies... which should change nothing for experienced users. Experienced users are the ones who should deal with more configuration, not newbies. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:27 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Like many good ideas, I'd say that this one has very little chance of becoming standard practice, given that each Linux app decides for itself where to put its config files As I told Ed, there is more than config files in .evolution and .thunderbird: there is data! More to the point, my answer to the OP would be use a real backup solution. What would you suggest as a real backup solution? By this, i mean something a Mac user could use eyes closed, given that defining a solution that all dummies can use will in no way curtail the options an experimented user has. TimeMachine. I think I already said that. There are also a number of rsync-based solutions for Macs if you Google for them. Why are we talking about Macs anyway? This is a Fedora list. Good question! Maybe I was talking about a solution the typical Mac user could use with Linux? It never crossed your mind? Really? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Moblin to Fedora via usbdrive on netbook
From: jack craig jcr...@extraview.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:23:11 PM Subject: Moblin to Fedora via usbdrive on netbook Hi Folks, Its time to rip Moblin replace with Fedora on my asus netbook. I setup an image using the instructions on htis link... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo#System_Requirements but upon boot, i get a short quick error msg and then moblin boots. Has anyone successfully used the usb drive approach to load fedora on a netbook/ if so, any clues to share? tia, jackc... I'm probably misunderstanding what you're trying to do, but here's how I do it: on my Aspire One: 1. Download a live cd 2. Install livecd-tools 3. use livecd-iso-to-disk to place the iso image on a bootable USB stick 4. Boot from the USB stick and select install on hard drive -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Moblin to Fedora via usbdrive on netbook
On 02/26/2010 03:43 PM, Steven I Usdansky wrote: From: jack craigjcr...@extraview.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:23:11 PM Subject: Moblin to Fedora via usbdrive on netbook Hi Folks, Its time to rip Moblin replace with Fedora on my asus netbook. I setup an image using the instructions on htis link... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo#System_Requirements but upon boot, i get a short quick error msg and then moblin boots. Has anyone successfully used the usb drive approach to load fedora on a netbook/ if so, any clues to share? tia, jackc... I'm probably misunderstanding what you're trying to do, but here's how I do it: on my Aspire One: 1. Download a live cd 2. Install livecd-tools 3. use livecd-iso-to-disk to place the iso image on a bootable USB stick 4. Boot from the USB stick and select install on hard drive hey Steven, i think you get it just fine. i was using the liveusb gui to create the usbstick. i saw the command line option in the page referenced above, but didnt try it. i'll give that a whirl. are you still running 1 GB or ram? i am concerned about how fast (or not) my result netbook performance may be... thx!! -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F12: Yum - network disconnects spins it's wheels.
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 02/25/2010 09:34 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Tony Nelson wrote: On 10-02-25 21:37:58, Ed Greshko wrote: ... I can't conceive of a situation where usage of http or ftp protocol would interact to smack an imap connection. To me, based on your observations, I'm getting the feeling you may have a strange network problem that may be local to you or within your ISP close to you. As I said, I'd be dragging out wireshark. It's not FastestMirror, it's the mirror it's choosing to use. If he figures out which one, he can blacklist it. That is what the case was in my situation although maybe I didn't spell it out. However, I did say that Singapore was causing an issue for me and I added the line exclude=.gov, .sg to my fastestmirror.conf. But, when he says that his IMAP connection is *also* being affected then I can't conjure a situation where yum would have an impact on IMAP I can try to find out if it is a mirror problem, but then again, I thought that mirrors were randomly chosen and if a mirror is not responding properly or whatever it is, the offending mirror should have been dropped and another mirror tried. From past Yum versions, I have seen this to be the case, and I have not seen any such thing with F12's Yum version which lead me to question if mirror testing/switching code was dropped? I hope I am wrong in my assumptions. AFAIK, haven't done any research, without FM mirrors are chosen more or less at random. With FM a list is generated and the fastest mirror found. Then every time yum is run the list is used. Is it possible that the network is somehow using maximum bandwidth preventing network access to other apps? The IMAP network break seemed to prevent IMAP client connectivity temporarily and once yum stopped, IMAP client connections quickly resumed. I have a pretty quiet network and it seems to me, that somehow running yum with FM causes problems. Removing FM seems to work but it is not maxing out the bandwidth. For example, with FM, it is hitting hard at around 300-320KB/s but without it, it is hitting around 200-290KB/s which is notably slower as you watch the downloads. First, the only thing that FM does is determine what mirror it feels will get your the best download speed. That is all that is does. Period, end of story. If you use FM and you get higher speed downloads on updates then it is doing its job. If high download speeds are really causing problems, not just hogging your connection and slowing down other types of downloads, then a network problem could exist. What kind of connection do you have? I've got DSL with advertised speeds of 2MB/515Kb. I run slingplayer on my Vista system and viewing is crisp and clear and no noticeable impact on browsing. That is, until I start downloading a torrent or two while simultaneously doing updates. Then the browsing is slower, the TV isn't as clear. But that is to be expected. But, nothing dies. If you are getting a situation where a high speed download results in everything degrading into being unusable then a hardware problem in your path could exist. This was years ago, but I once had a problem where a router suffered from buffer overruns when traffic was extremely high. It would throttle connections and start throwing away data resulting in many retransmissions. To make a long story short, it couldn't gracefully recover and caused high packet loss in spikes. Made finding the problem hard. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:39 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:27 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Like many good ideas, I'd say that this one has very little chance of becoming standard practice, given that each Linux app decides for itself where to put its config files As I told Ed, there is more than config files in .evolution and .thunderbird: there is data! More to the point, my answer to the OP would be use a real backup solution. What would you suggest as a real backup solution? By this, i mean something a Mac user could use eyes closed, given that defining a solution that all dummies can use will in no way curtail the options an experimented user has. TimeMachine. I think I already said that. There are also a number of rsync-based solutions for Macs if you Google for them. Why are we talking about Macs anyway? This is a Fedora list. Good question! Maybe I was talking about a solution the typical Mac user could use with Linux? It never crossed your mind? Really? If you meant any idiot like a Mac user then, no it didn't. a) Plenty of very smart people use Macs, and b) working like a Mac is not, as far as I'm aware, a stated objective of the Fedora Project. Going back to the actual point I'm trying to make, a real backup solution should require *no* manual intervention on the part of the user once it's been properly set up. Apple's TimeMachine is an example, the various rsync+cron scripts out there are another. Manually copying files using K3B is not, so the question as to whether the files are hidden or not is simply a non-issue. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:27 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Like many good ideas, I'd say that this one has very little chance of becoming standard practice, given that each Linux app decides for itself where to put its config files As I told Ed, there is more than config files in .evolution and .thunderbird: there is data! imagine that... and there is data in ~/.kde, ~/.mozilla and many other '.' directories. That is a long held tradition and certainly not relegated to the 2 applications you are referring to. I can only imagine how bright the world would look if you could stop seeing everything with your tunnel vision. More to the point, my answer to the OP would be use a real backup solution. What would you suggest as a real backup solution? By this, i mean something a Mac user could use eyes closed, given that defining a solution that all dummies can use will in no way curtail the options an experimented user has. the Mac user with eyes closed should be using a Mac. The user that wants to back up his files should backup his entire $HOME directory. The end of that discussion. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
Oh, the other reason I wouldn't do that It may happen that you download the latest thunderbird tar file from Mozilla and forgetfully extract it in your home directory Oooops mv .thunderbird MyThunderbirdSettings ln -s MyThunderbirdSettings .thunderbird Problem (that wasn't really a problem anyway) solved. Chris -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:27 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Like many good ideas, I'd say that this one has very little chance of becoming standard practice, given that each Linux app decides for itself where to put its config files As I told Ed, there is more than config files in .evolution and .thunderbird: there is data! imagine that... and there is data in ~/.kde, ~/.mozilla and many other '.' directories. That is a long held tradition and certainly not relegated to the 2 applications you are referring to. Possible. Those are the ones that are causing me problems. the Mac user with eyes closed should be using a Mac. This is the kind of reasoning that brings Mac's market share to around 5% worldwide, close to 10% in the US, whereas Linux, also with a *NIX based OS, has been hovering around 1% worldwide FOR YEARS. So, when you call TV stations to inquire why they don't support Linux, they answer: We support Windows because 94% of our users use it. Hey, we even support Mas with 5%. But Linux, with 1%... Are you really serious? Should we lose your time on irrelevant matters? In the end, you'll end up browsing the web with the equivalent of Lynx. Your opinion I've heard a thousand of times. It's really no use to repeat it. It's a loser's definition that claims that making things voluntarily harder for newbies is the way to go. Linux, as we know, can't go wrong. Thanks for your contribution, Craig! You make lots of sense. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F12: Yum - network disconnects spins it's wheels.
On 02/26/2010 03:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 02/25/2010 09:34 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Tony Nelson wrote: On 10-02-25 21:37:58, Ed Greshko wrote: ... I can't conceive of a situation where usage of http or ftp protocol would interact to smack an imap connection. To me, based on your observations, I'm getting the feeling you may have a strange network problem that may be local to you or within your ISP close to you. As I said, I'd be dragging out wireshark. It's not FastestMirror, it's the mirror it's choosing to use. If he figures out which one, he can blacklist it. That is what the case was in my situation although maybe I didn't spell it out. However, I did say that Singapore was causing an issue for me and I added the line exclude=.gov, .sg to my fastestmirror.conf. But, when he says that his IMAP connection is *also* being affected then I can't conjure a situation where yum would have an impact on IMAP I can try to find out if it is a mirror problem, but then again, I thought that mirrors were randomly chosen and if a mirror is not responding properly or whatever it is, the offending mirror should have been dropped and another mirror tried. From past Yum versions, I have seen this to be the case, and I have not seen any such thing with F12's Yum version which lead me to question if mirror testing/switching code was dropped? I hope I am wrong in my assumptions. AFAIK, haven't done any research, without FM mirrors are chosen more or less at random. With FM a list is generated and the fastest mirror found. Then every time yum is run the list is used. Is it possible that the network is somehow using maximum bandwidth preventing network access to other apps? The IMAP network break seemed to prevent IMAP client connectivity temporarily and once yum stopped, IMAP client connections quickly resumed. I have a pretty quiet network and it seems to me, that somehow running yum with FM causes problems. Removing FM seems to work but it is not maxing out the bandwidth. For example, with FM, it is hitting hard at around 300-320KB/s but without it, it is hitting around 200-290KB/s which is notably slower as you watch the downloads. First, the only thing that FM does is determine what mirror it feels will get your the best download speed. That is all that is does. Period, end of story. If you use FM and you get higher speed downloads on updates then it is doing its job. If high download speeds are really causing problems, not just hogging your connection and slowing down other types of downloads, then a network problem could exist. What kind of connection do you have? I've got DSL with advertised speeds of 2MB/515Kb. I run slingplayer on my Vista system and viewing is crisp and clear and no noticeable impact on browsing. That is, until I start downloading a torrent or two while simultaneously doing updates. Then the browsing is slower, the TV isn't as clear. But that is to be expected. But, nothing dies. I have 3-5MB/1Mb. Interestingly, as I said before, using the same system, I do not have a problem at all using F9 and F11! Must have installed *something* that might be getting in the way? Beats me! Nothing dies on F12, but Yum hangs using FM. That is the only thing I am seeing. Ahh, well... I can live without FM. If you are getting a situation where a high speed download results in everything degrading into being unusable then a hardware problem in your path could exist. This was years ago, but I once had a problem where a router suffered from buffer overruns when traffic was extremely high. It would throttle connections and start throwing away data resulting in many retransmissions. To make a long story short, it couldn't gracefully recover and caused high packet loss in spikes. Made finding the problem hard. Ugh. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 19:49 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:27 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Like many good ideas, I'd say that this one has very little chance of becoming standard practice, given that each Linux app decides for itself where to put its config files As I told Ed, there is more than config files in .evolution and .thunderbird: there is data! imagine that... and there is data in ~/.kde, ~/.mozilla and many other '.' directories. That is a long held tradition and certainly not relegated to the 2 applications you are referring to. Possible. Those are the ones that are causing me problems. the Mac user with eyes closed should be using a Mac. This is the kind of reasoning that brings Mac's market share to around 5% worldwide, close to 10% in the US, whereas Linux, also with a *NIX based OS, has been hovering around 1% worldwide FOR YEARS. So, when you call TV stations to inquire why they don't support Linux, they answer: We support Windows because 94% of our users use it. Hey, we even support Mas with 5%. But Linux, with 1%... Are you really serious? Should we lose your time on irrelevant matters? In the end, you'll end up browsing the web with the equivalent of Lynx. Your opinion I've heard a thousand of times. It's really no use to repeat it. It's a loser's definition that claims that making things voluntarily harder for newbies is the way to go. Linux, as we know, can't go wrong. Thanks for your contribution, Craig! You make lots of sense. again the myopic vision... Market penetration: - cannot be adequately established for Linux because so few computers are actually sold with Linux on them. The one thing you can somewhat measure is web browser usage where the statistics aren't as clear cut as you want to believe. See... http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp - the mission for Linux is to provide the best possible software and not to get market saturation. The saturation is already beginning in so many different ways already but you don't see it with your limited view. Countless devices are being driven by Linux and not just the desktop computer. But the goal is to provide better software, not market penetration. - the issue with TV stations isn't really about Linux or Macs or Windows at all, it is that they are using proprietary technologies which inflate their audience's costs because of the licensing fees collected by the companies that make those technologies. That they are blind or indifferent to the impact of those costs is sad but perhaps you should spend your time and energy trying to educate them on the hidden costs and the barriers of access they create when they blindly use the technologies that seem so widely adopted and easy to implement. - there's the point of view that keeping config files and data hidden from view actually makes things easier for 'newbies' as you call them. The very premise you are citing is entirely disputable. Back up the entire $HOME directory - backup is done. What could possibly be any easier for a newbie than that? Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 19:49 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:27 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Like many good ideas, I'd say that this one has very little chance of becoming standard practice, given that each Linux app decides for itself where to put its config files As I told Ed, there is more than config files in .evolution and .thunderbird: there is data! imagine that... and there is data in ~/.kde, ~/.mozilla and many other '.' directories. That is a long held tradition and certainly not relegated to the 2 applications you are referring to. Possible. Those are the ones that are causing me problems. the Mac user with eyes closed should be using a Mac. This is the kind of reasoning that brings Mac's market share to around 5% worldwide, close to 10% in the US, whereas Linux, also with a *NIX based OS, has been hovering around 1% worldwide FOR YEARS. So, when you call TV stations to inquire why they don't support Linux, they answer: We support Windows because 94% of our users use it. Hey, we even support Mas with 5%. But Linux, with 1%... Are you really serious? Should we lose your time on irrelevant matters? In the end, you'll end up browsing the web with the equivalent of Lynx. Your opinion I've heard a thousand of times. It's really no use to repeat it. It's a loser's definition that claims that making things voluntarily harder for newbies is the way to go. Linux, as we know, can't go wrong. Thanks for your contribution, Craig! You make lots of sense. again the myopic vision... Market penetration: - cannot be adequately established for Linux because so few computers are actually sold with Linux on them. Why is that? In which way would making back-up easier -- and this is only one problem -- make Linux less popular? The one thing you can somewhat measure is web browser usage where the statistics aren't as clear cut as you want to believe. See... http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp w3schools.com... Yes, this generally gives you an overall picture. Once again, thanks for your contribution! - the mission for Linux is to provide the best possible software and not to get market saturation. Saturation? At 1% for years? - the issue with TV stations isn't really about Linux or Macs or Windows at all, it is that they are using proprietary technologies which inflate their audience's costs because of the licensing fees collected by the companies that make those technologies. That they are blind Yup, they are blind. You go teach them. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: akonadi startup errors
On 02/26/2010 07:44 PM, Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi All; I've gotten no replies from kde-linux, so I'll ask here: I upgraded to KDE 4.4 yesterday. I get this error EVERY time I start Kmail: [ERROR] Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.servers' doesn't exist I've tried removing the .local/share/alonadi directory and rebooting with no luck. Can anyone point me in the right direction per how to fix this? Thanks in advance One of the computers i 1/2 maintain had this problem - i switched the mail client to thunderbird - or evo I suppose. If you are well prepared you never use local storage specific to any mail client and instead run a local imap server as local store ... Good luck ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
- cannot be adequately established for Linux because so few computers are actually sold with Linux on them. Why is that? In which way would making back-up easier -- and this is only one problem -- make Linux less popular? Most users want *everything* in their $HOME backed up, config files and data (although the distinction you make between these is vague). This can be trivially does by just backing up everything in $HOME. I notice you didn't both replying to this part of Craig's email Wonder why ... The one thing you can somewhat measure is web browser usage where the statistics aren't as clear cut as you want to believe. See... http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp w3schools.com... Yes, this generally gives you an overall picture. Once again, thanks for your contribution! Its a hard set of real life numbers. Yeah, it just one group of users but a *lot* better stats than the 1% you quote with nothing what so ever to back it up ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail / Akonadi mess
John Aldrich wrote: I would suggest that anyone who has problems after an upgrade like this should try renaming ~local/share/akonadi and try again. It might also have had something to do with mysqld. I don't know if it was already running or not, but I manually started the service before renaming the folder. I know it wasn't mysqld alone as I had already tried it since manually starting the service. It's irrelevant, Akonadi doesn't by default use a systemwide MySQL instance at all, it spawns its own, per user one. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gsl_foo
Serj Burcev wrote: 8:arts-devel-1.5.10-11.fc12.x86_64 : Файлы разработки для звукового сервера aRts. That's definitely not what he's looking for! aRts is the old KDE 3 sound server. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Chris Jones christopher.rob.jo...@cern.ch wrote: - cannot be adequately established for Linux because so few computers are actually sold with Linux on them. Why is that? In which way would making back-up easier -- and this is only one problem -- make Linux less popular? Most users want *everything* in their $HOME backed up, config files and data (although the distinction you make between these is vague). This can be trivially does by just backing up everything in $HOME. I notice you didn't both replying to this part of Craig's email Wonder why ... The one thing you can somewhat measure is web browser usage where the statistics aren't as clear cut as you want to believe. See... http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp w3schools.com... Yes, this generally gives you an overall picture. Once again, thanks for your contribution! Its a hard set of real life numbers. Yeah, it just one group of users but a *lot* better stats than the 1% you quote with nothing what so ever to back it up ... http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8qpcal=1qpcal=1qptimeframe=Yqpsp=2010 Now, you might find this doesn't correspond to the ravings of the Linux counter guy. You're right! It does correspond to my experience, though. Just a bit inflated. Linux began 19 years ago, in 1991. And you're really satisfied with what we're up to? No need to question all you have to learn in order to do a decent back-up? We're gonna conquer the world next year? Dummies should use Macs and Windows? We are the true ones cause we know how to get pass hindrances... which should remain? Thanks for your contribution! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail / Akonadi mess
On 02/26/2010 09:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: John Aldrich wrote: I would suggest that anyone who has problems after an upgrade like this should try renaming ~local/share/akonadi and try again. It might also have had something to do with mysqld. I don't know if it was already running or not, but I manually started the service before renaming the folder. I know it wasn't mysqld alone as I had already tried it since manually starting the service. It's irrelevant, Akonadi doesn't by default use a systemwide MySQL instance at all, it spawns its own, per user one. Kevin Kofler On the last remaining computer I am aware of/maintain with kmail still being used - akonadi was running, mysqld was running, and nepemonkey was running all with user privs - nothing I tried could resurrect kmail to a working state - I googled, read fedora threads etc. It was being used under gnome - if that matters. The only way I found was to killall kontact; thunderbird As an aside, I found a long time ago that it was important to be mail client indifferent - they way I do that is to have a local imap server running and always use that for any local mail store instead of the mail clients native store - that way I only need to export/import the current contact list - and start a new client initiate 2 accounts, 1 to the ISP and one to the local imap server and we're 100% back in business. Hope you get your mail working again John ... gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F12: Another Pulseaudio No Sound problem
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Tony Nelson
tonynel...@georgeanelson.com wrote:
On 10-02-24 23:07:41, Don Levey wrote:
I've been reading with interest the problems with PulseAudio since
F12
came out, and I find myself in a similar situation (none of the
previously offered solutions seem to have helped).
...
You don't mention:
/etc/pulse/daemon.conf:flat-volumes = no
Could those settings have something to do with the fact I can't ouput
sound to my TV?
README-pulse says:
There are two plugins in the suite, one for PCM and one for mixer control. A
typical configuration will look like:
pcm.pulse {
type pulse
}
ctl.pulse {
type pulse
}
Put the above in ~/.asoundrc, or /etc/asound.conf, and use pulse as device
in your ALSA applications. For example:
% aplay -Dpulse foo.wav
% amixer -Dpulse
===
I have /etc/asound.conf:
# Place your global alsa-lib configuration here...
#
@hooks [
{
func load
files [
/etc/alsa/pulse-default.conf
]
errors false
}
]
/etc/asound.conf (END)
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Re: Why are .thunderbird and .evolution hidden ?
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 21:55 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8qpcal=1qpcal=1qptimeframe=Yqpsp=2010 Now, you might find this doesn't correspond to the ravings of the Linux counter guy. You're right! It does correspond to my experience, though. Just a bit inflated. Linux began 19 years ago, in 1991. And you're really satisfied with what we're up to? No need to question all you have to learn in order to do a decent back-up? We're gonna conquer the world next year? Dummies should use Macs and Windows? We are the true ones cause we know how to get pass hindrances... which should remain? If numbers were the criteria then McDonalds must have the best hamburgers because they surely sell more than anyone else. Do the numbers actually represent anything more than the insecurity of someone worried that perhaps he is using the wrong operating system. Yes, I am really satisfied with 'what we're up to' because I'm not the least bit concerned with whether Linux is 1% or 5% or 94%. I use it because I choose to use it, not because 1% or 5% or 94% or whatever unreliable numbers you want to choose. FTR, I have much more faith in the W3Schools figures which are considerably different than this 'hitslink' figures but it doesn't much concern me in either event. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Install
On 02/26/2010 02:21 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: I would like to get any flavor of Linux installed to my older-generation computer. I have 2 old computers: x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 AT/AT Compatible 130,596 KB Ram Intel (R) 4 CPU 1400 MHz 130,352 KB Ram I know that x86 is a Pentium 3. I have tried 2 different downloaded versions of the single CD install: Fedora 12 i686-LIVE I don't want a dual boot - I want a clean install. If you check the fedora site you can get a direct install iso. The easiest one to grab is the dvd iso. You probably have too little RAM for a graphical install. You might try selecting a text install at the first (or so) screen. The live-cd is intended to run from the CD so you can check that it will run. There is an option to install from the running live-cd instance. But you need more memory to get it to run at all, by the looks of it. Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: Be regular. Eat cron flakes. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail / Akonadi mess
Quoting Mail Lists li...@sapience.com: On the last remaining computer I am aware of/maintain with kmail still being used - akonadi was running, mysqld was running, and nepemonkey was running all with user privs - nothing I tried could resurrect kmail to a working state - I googled, read fedora threads etc. It was being used under gnome - if that matters. The only way I found was to killall kontact; thunderbird As an aside, I found a long time ago that it was important to be mail client indifferent - they way I do that is to have a local imap server running and always use that for any local mail store instead of the mail clients native store - that way I only need to export/import the current contact list - and start a new client initiate 2 accounts, 1 to the ISP and one to the local imap server and we're 100% back in business. Hope you get your mail working again John ... Well, I got it running, but then it came up this evening but wouldn't respond. What I ended up doing was killing everything Akonadi related (sudo pkill akonadi) and then restarting KMail. I got the dreaded Nepomuk indexing agent error and re-ran the fix for that. It's highly annoying. I'm going to hope the KDE developers get their sh!t together and fix all the bugs in KMail soon! That's really all I can do! :-( -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
How to see kernel pr_err error messages.
Im looking at some kernel code, and there are 'pr_err' error messages in it that would help me discover my problem. However I dont see them printing anywhere. What do I have to do to see these error messages? A search with GOOGLE and a grep of the code wasnt too useful, but it seems possible that I need to set #define CONFIG_DEBUG Is that true? I see a lot of something_DEBUGs in the .config file but no simple CONFIG_DEBUG, In any case, how do I get these things to print? -- Reg.Clemens r...@dwf.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Firefox has turned into a lynx
2010/2/26 Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com: It looks like since the most recent update, on one of my laptops, Firefox comes up showing the designated start page, but without processing its stylesheet, so the end result looks like a slightly marked-up lynx. I can hit the home button, and get the home page reloaded properly. I tried switching to a different home page, and clearing the cache -- makes no difference. It's only a minor annoyance, but I'm curious if anyone else sees the same behavior. Try to start firefox in safe mode. -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
