Re: Importing an mbox into Imap

2010-05-25 Thread Gabriel Ramirez
On 05/24/2010 07:40 PM, Tim wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 14:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 Just import the mbox file into any IMAP client (Thunderbird,
 Evolution, Claws, whatever ...)

 I've tried this with fairly large spool files, on Evolution (painfully
 slow, and needs doing in chunks - select a month's mail, drag and drop
 it between folders), and Thunderbird (eventually fails part way through,
 even in chunks, with no clue as to how far along it got).  So I'd like
 to find a good tool for doing this, too.

 -rw--- 1 tim tim 663987436 2010-03-05 18:21 /home/tim/mail/lists/Fedora

Hi,

so it's more a year of Fedora mails, in a file,

I has the same problem tens of thousands emails,
I evaluate mbox, vs maildir, decided keep with mbox in separated files,

because trying to rsync that quantity of emails in maildir well seemed 
in my case take a long time.

seems which your only options to separate the mbox are:

procmail

but I'm unable to find a procmail recipe to evaluate the original date 
field from a email to construct a mailbox in the format fedora_year_month/

deliver from dovecot using a sieve script, that I have it working (I 
have the sieve rules to evaluate the date from the email but I need to 
extract the relevant parts from the script because filter many things 
more which mailing lists

and is only tested with deliver from dovecot, so if you don't use 
dovecot  will not work for you

and will take hours, but will be automatic


Gabriel
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Re: Importing an mbox into Imap

2010-05-25 Thread Nataraj
Tim wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 14:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
   
 Just import the mbox file into any IMAP client (Thunderbird,
 Evolution, Claws, whatever ...)
 

 I've tried this with fairly large spool files, on Evolution (painfully
 slow, and needs doing in chunks - select a month's mail, drag and drop
 it between folders), and Thunderbird (eventually fails part way through,
 even in chunks, with no clue as to how far along it got).  So I'd like
 to find a good tool for doing this, too.

 -rw--- 1 tim tim 663987436 2010-03-05 18:21 /home/tim/mail/lists/Fedora

 Thanks to the slowness (the above would take hours and hours), I've left
 my mail server still running on FC4.  The last attempt at moving the
 mail, aborted because I simply don't have the time to babysit a machine
 for that amount of time, I copied the spool file onto a newly set up
 CentOS box as /var/mail/tim and tried dragging the contents of the inbox
 to another folder through the IMAP server on the CentOS box, figuring
 that that'd be quicker that trying to network it between two mail
 servers.  It was still excruciatingly painfully slow.

 I want to move from spool files to maildir, because it's getting
 impossible to use with huge spool files.  Any status change of the spool
 file takes ages to complete, and you can't do anything else while you
 wait (e.g. you can't read another message).

   
If it's your own mail server and your running an imap server like 
dovecot which uses maildir format, then just use the dovecot script to 
convert your mbox file directly into the file space of the imap server.  
Just make sure you understand how the script works and that your putting 
the files in the right place (I've never used that script).  You may 
have to build the indexes after the files are moved.

Another option is to use a local mail client to split the file into 
several smaller folders before trying to move it into imap.

Nataraj

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Re: Imap/s certificate issue?

2010-05-25 Thread Nataraj
Philip Prindeville wrote:
 I'm seeing the following on my mail server:

 May 24 11:55:30 mail imaps[25484]: accepted connection
 May 24 11:55:30 mail imaps[25484]: imapd:Loading hard-coded DH parameters
 May 24 11:55:30 mail imaps[25484]: SSL_accept() incomplete -  wait
 May 24 11:55:30 mail imaps[25484]: sslv3 alert certificate unknown in 
 SSL_accept() -  fail
 May 24 11:55:30 mail imaps[25484]: imaps TLS negotiation failed: 
 builder.redfish-solutions.com [192.168.1.10]
 May 24 11:55:30 mail imaps[25484]: Fatal error: tls_start_servertls() failed
 May 24 11:55:30 mail master[31932]: process 25484 exited, status 75
 May 24 11:55:30 mail master[31932]: service imaps pid 25484 in BUSY state: 
 terminated abnormally
 May 24 11:55:48 mail master[31932]: process 25328 exited, status 0


 it's not clear why this happens, and indeed that host is able to retrieve 
 email...

 Both are running FC12 updated, which makes it all the stranger.  The UA on 
 builder is Thunderbird.

 Any idea what I'm seeing and why?

 Thanks,

 -Philip


   
It sounds to me like it is complaining about the client certificate, not 
the server certificate.  Have you configured the imap server to require 
a client certificate?

Can other clients connect without problems?  Was anything changed when 
this problem came up?  Was this working before or is it a new installation?

Nataraj

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gnome/and gconf-sharp2

2010-05-25 Thread Lyndon Lu
Hi All,

I am not sure if I should ask the questions here. I try to install
ifolder client in Fedora 12 and always got the error messages:

[r...@cook i586]# rpm -ivh ifolder3-3.8.0.9328.1-3.1.
i586.rpm
warning: ifolder3-3.8.0.9328.1-3.1.i586.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY,
key ID 3a9159a7
error: Failed dependencies:
gconf-sharp2 is needed by ifolder3-3.8.0.9328.1-3.1.i586
gnome-sharp2 is needed by ifolder3-3.8.0.9328.1-3.1.i586

   does anyone know how to fix it?

Thanks.

Cheers,
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Can't establish connection -

2010-05-25 Thread Bob Goodwin
I have two f12 computers, box9 will ping box6 but box6 to box9
reports 100% loss. When we had Firestarter there was a log that
usually indicated where the firewall was blocking data.

It seems to me there should be a way to determine this without
Firestarter? How do I do that?

[b...@box6 ~]$ service sshd status
openssh-daemon (pid  1522) is running...

Pinging the numerical addresses does not help.

Thanks.

Bob

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Re: gnome/and gconf-sharp2

2010-05-25 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 18:24 +1000, Lyndon Lu wrote:
 I try to install
 ifolder client in Fedora 12 and always got the error messages:
  
 [r...@cook i586]# rpm -ivh ifolder3-3.8.0.9328.1-3.1.
 i586.rpm
 warning: ifolder3-3.8.0.9328.1-3.1.i586.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature:
 NOKEY,
 key ID 3a9159a7
 error: Failed dependencies:
 gconf-sharp2 is needed by ifolder3-3.8.0.9328.1-3.1.i586
 gnome-sharp2 is needed by ifolder3-3.8.0.9328.1-3.1.i586
  
does anyone know how to fix it?

By installing the thing it needs.

If you use yum localinstall instead of rpm -ivh,  then yum will try
to get the other things it needs to complete the installation.

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Re: Importing an mbox into Imap

2010-05-25 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 23:49 -0700, Nataraj wrote:
 If it's your own mail server and your running an imap server like 
 dovecot which uses maildir format, then just use the dovecot script to
 convert your mbox file directly into the file space of the imap
 server.

I am, though don't know the script your referring to.  I should probably
have a look at a newer CentOS install, in case it has something that the
older one doesn't.

 You may have to build the indexes after the files are moved.

Hmm, the sort of thing I was hoping to avoid.  If I used a mail client
to move the mail, it'd move the messages in a manner that was directly
usable, straight away.  Rather than play games directly with the files.
 
 Another option is to use a local mail client to split the file into 
 several smaller folders before trying to move it into imap.

Might give that a go, but I suspect that's still going to be a lot of
time-consuming work.  Likewise for taking the first 10,000 lines of text
from a spool, chopping into two files between message sections, and
proceeding that way.

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Re: Importing an mbox into Imap

2010-05-25 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 01:06 -0500, Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
 so it's more a year of Fedora mails, in a file,

Most definitely.  There's a few other big ones, but none are nearly as
big as that one.

 I has the same problem tens of thousands emails, I evaluate mbox, vs
 maildir, decided keep with mbox in separated files, because trying to
 rsync that quantity of emails in maildir well seemed in my case take a
 long time.

A while back I tried comparing mbox to maildir with a staggeringly large
number of messages, and found mbox to stay nippy, whereas maildir grinds
to a snail's pace, and just gets worse and worse.  I'm not trying to
keep backup copies, of these, so that issue wouldn't arise for me.
 
 seems which your only options to separate the mbox are:
  
 procmail
  
 but I'm unable to find a procmail recipe to evaluate the original date
 field from a email to construct a mailbox in the format
 fedora_year_month/

I figured on keeping them all in one folder, rather than separately
archiving different periods.  So I ought to be able to run some commands
that just move *everything* in mbox here over to maildir there?

 and will take hours, but will be automatic

I do use dovecot.  I'm not against it spending ages to complete, so long
as it actually does, and doesn't need me to manage it along the way.

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Ext4 anomalies.

2010-05-25 Thread George R Goffe
Howdy,

I have had my FC12 system installed since February this year and have 
experienced this particular problem twice so far. The problem does NOT happen 
frequently... Just long enough for me to become complacent that it was a fluke.

Files in /root have become empty, 141 of them this time. Their update dates are 
all the same, about 2 minutes before I noticed the problem this time.

Has anyone seen this kind of problem? If not, I'd like to set some traps if 
they are available so that I can find out how this happens and eliminate it.

Any hints/tips/suggestions/clues would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

George...


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Re: Can't establish connection -

2010-05-25 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 05:17 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
 I have two f12 computers, box9 will ping box6 but box6 to box9
 reports 100% loss. When we had Firestarter there was a log that
 usually indicated where the firewall was blocking data.

 It seems to me there should be a way to determine this without
 Firestarter? How do I do that?

Ordinarily, firewall denials aren't logged, else you'd be logging an
awful lot of data.  Data that's only of use to people who actually do
something with it.  If you want logging, you have to arrange it.  That
can be done without firestarter, but I've only set firewall rules by
running iptables commands in a script.  I don't use the GUI tools to set
complex firewall rules.

It's quite likely that you've simply firewalled off ping replies.  I've
not install Fedora 12 yet, but older releases had a basic firewall
configuration preference that you could select filtering of various ICMP
traffic.  You'll want to make sure that echo replies and requests
aren't blocked.

Don't firewall off ICMP traffic willy-nilly, you can break networking by
doing so.

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Re: Can't establish connection -

2010-05-25 Thread kalinix
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 05:17 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:

 I have two f12 computers, box9 will ping box6 but box6 to box9
 reports 100% loss. When we had Firestarter there was a log that
 usually indicated where the firewall was blocking data.
 
 It seems to me there should be a way to determine this without
 Firestarter? How do I do that?
 
 [b...@box6 ~]$ service sshd status
 openssh-daemon (pid  1522) is running...
 
 Pinging the numerical addresses does not help.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Bob
 
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If this applies for ssh only, you could do something like this, on box9:


IPTABLES -I INPUT -i eth0 -s ip.of.box.6 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j
ACCEPT


If you need more services to be available for box9, you simply let out
-m tcp and --dport 22, to get this:


IPTABLES -I INPUT -i eth0 -s ip.of.box.6 -j ACCEPT


To see all the packages from box6, you can insert the rule below:


IPTABLES -I INPUT -i eth0 -s ip.of.box.6 -m state --state NEW -j LOG
--log-prefix IPTABLES - NEW PACKETS FROM BOX6:  --log-level 6


and watch the result in /var/log/messages (with tail
-f /var/log/messages)





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Helpful shortcut links to Fedora pages

2010-05-25 Thread Paul Frields
Do you want to help spread news about Fedora 13 release?  We have some
shortcut links already made up for you to use in your blogs and status
information you post via Identi.ca, Twitter, Facebook, and so on.
Visit this page:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Link_tracking

You'll find the links at the top of the page in an easy to use table.
Copy and paste as you go today!

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Fedora 13

2010-05-25 Thread Terry Polzin
OK so where's the link to the mirror list, jigdo?

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f13 torrents?

2010-05-25 Thread Tom Horsley
I've looked at all the versions of the get fedora 13 pages
I can find, and perhaps I am just blind, but I can't find any
pointer to http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ on any of the
download pages, even the one that claims to be all the ways
to get fedora :-).
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You can download the new Fedora13 from https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

2010-05-25 Thread Doron Bar Zeev
https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
:)
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Re: f13 torrents?

2010-05-25 Thread Alan Evans
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've looked at all the versions of the get fedora 13 pages
 I can find, and perhaps I am just blind, but I can't find any
 pointer to http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ on any of the
 download pages, even the one that claims to be all the ways
 to get fedora :-).

Thank you for providing that link. I just came to the list hoping
someone would know how to get at the torrents. If you can't see it
because you're blind, then I must be blind also.
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change default browser in thunderbird

2010-05-25 Thread Mike Wright
Hi all,

Don't know how it happened but whenever I click on an email hyperlink 
Thunderbird opens Chrome.  It used to open Firefox.

Anybody know how/where to change it back?

tia,
Mike Wright
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Re: change default browser in thunderbird

2010-05-25 Thread Mike Guilmot
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.comwrote:

 Hi all,

 Don't know how it happened but whenever I click on an email hyperlink
 Thunderbird opens Chrome.  It used to open Firefox.

 Anybody know how/where to change it back?


Doesn't thunderbird use the global system settings ?
systemsettings - default applications

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Re: f13 torrents?

2010-05-25 Thread Paolo Galtieri
On 05/25/2010 07:51 AM, Alan Evans wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Tom Horsleyhorsley1...@gmail.com  wrote:

 I've looked at all the versions of the get fedora 13 pages
 I can find, and perhaps I am just blind, but I can't find any
 pointer to http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ on any of the
 download pages, even the one that claims to be all the ways
 to get fedora :-).
  
 Thank you for providing that link. I just came to the list hoping
 someone would know how to get at the torrents. If you can't see it
 because you're blind, then I must be blind also.

I guess excessive use of Fedora causes blindness, because I couldn't 
find a link to the torrents either :-)

I wonder if I could get funding to study this problem :-)

Thanks for the link.

Paolo
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Re: Importing an mbox into Imap

2010-05-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:10 +0930, Tim wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 14:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
  Just import the mbox file into any IMAP client (Thunderbird,
  Evolution, Claws, whatever ...)
 
 I've tried this with fairly large spool files, on Evolution (painfully
 slow, and needs doing in chunks - select a month's mail, drag and drop
 it between folders), and Thunderbird (eventually fails part way through,
 even in chunks, with no clue as to how far along it got).  So I'd like
 to find a good tool for doing this, too.

I took the liberty of asking our mail admin about this, since I know
we've done it in the past. This is his answer:

I wrote a very Cyrus-specific Perl script (which runs on
the mailstore server) that parsed an mbox file, split it into
individual messages, and handed them to Cyrus for storage.  And
yes, it takes many hours (on a fast machine with fast disks) and
some babysitting.

If he's not using Cyrus, or doesn't have access to the server,
tough luck... :-/

I'm sure he wouldn't mind sharing the script if you're interested, but
it is specific to Cyrus.

poc

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Re: change default browser in thunderbird

2010-05-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 17:03 +0200, Mike Guilmot wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Mike Wright
 mike.wri...@mailinator.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Don't know how it happened but whenever I click on an email
 hyperlink
 Thunderbird opens Chrome.  It used to open Firefox.
 
 Anybody know how/where to change it back?
 
 
 Doesn't thunderbird use the global system settings ?
 systemsettings - default applications

That assumes he's using Gnome. If not, he needs to run
gnome-control-center from a command line.

poc

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Re: change default browser in thunderbird

2010-05-25 Thread Mike Guilmot
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.comwrote:


 That assumes he's using Gnome. If not, he needs to run
 gnome-control-center from a command line.


Don't you mean KDE ? I'm not using gnome and do it like that :-)

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Re: Linux vs. Vision Tek Radeon HD3650

2010-05-25 Thread Brian A. Seklecki
 I don't see anything with a remotely similar name.
 Does that mean that linux does not support any card remotely like it?

soundwave:/home/bseklecki$ grep HD /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep 3650
ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series, ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP,
ATI Radeon HD 3600 PRO, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650,


Clearly the radeonhd(4) man page needs to be updated.

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mirror, mirror

2010-05-25 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht

I just tried downloading the F13 iso.  When I went through the mirrors
redirector I got PNL, which came up with an HTTP error page.  Going to
kernel.org by hand, I got 300M of the f13 install iso and it hung.  Has
Fedora become wildly and unexpectedly popular and the mirrors are
getting hammered or is something else going on here?

-wolfgang
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Re: Linux vs. Vision Tek Radeon HD3650

2010-05-25 Thread suvayu ali
On 25 May 2010 09:03, Brian A. Seklecki laval...@spiritual-machines.org wrote:
 I don't see anything with a remotely similar name.
 Does that mean that linux does not support any card remotely like it?

 soundwave:/home/bseklecki$ grep HD /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep 3650
        ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series, ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP,
        ATI Radeon HD 3600 PRO, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650,


 Clearly the radeonhd(4) man page needs to be updated.


AFAIK Radeohd has been abandoned. You should switch to radeon.

 ~BAS

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Community Fedora Remix 13.1 “Lucky 13″

2010-05-25 Thread Valent Turkovic
ps. There is lot of time and effort invested into making this Fedora
Remix, hope you enjoy it. Please spread the word via blog, twitter,
etc...

Community Fedora Remix 13.1 Lucky 13
http://fcoremix.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/lucky-13/

There are two basic guiding principle behind this Fedora Remix, first
one is beyond upstream and multimedia out of the box, you can also
think of it like Pimp My Ride version of Fedora

To clarify a bit what beyond upstream means you have to know that
Fedora is really close tied with upstream projects and Fedora
developers won't do anything that upstream doesn't do, and upstream
only mentality has lots good things going for it.

One of the deawbacks is that upsteram only makes for too
conservative and old fashioned Desktop when look and feel of Desktop
is concerned. Design of Fedora is great, I'm not talking about great
artwork that Fedora Design team has made.

Fedora is just too closely tied to upstream and this is doesn't allow
much progress and experimentation on the look and feel side of things,
that is why there are Remixes, because of this opportunity we decided
to make an awesome looking Fedora Remix oriented for Desktop users.

This Fedora Remix is also very much influenced by Linux Mint and with
its community.

For the impatient ones here are the the download links:
* bittorent - http://bit.ly/d4UvQU
* direct http download - http://depositfiles.com/files/ocnh1sxc9
* iso.linux.hr - http://iso.linux.hr/community-fedora-remix/


Feel free to contribute and join this project, this project eagerly
awaits your fresh ideas about how Linux desktop should look and work.
Join mailing list -
http://groups.google.com/group/community-fedora-remix


If you customize your desktop to the point it is not recognized any
more then this project it right for you.


How contribute?
- Ideas:
* Show some great GNOME themes
* Know some great app/tool that everybody should use?

- Designers:
* Design great new wallpapers, GNOME themes...
* Design out new web site

- Developers:
* Make new RPM packages
* Tweak kickstart file
* Tweak GNOME settings

- Web developers
* Help create new web site for this project


Community Fedora Remix 13 features and highlights:

* 100% compatible with Fedora
* GNOME enhancement with mintMenu and DockbarX
* Chromium Internet browser + Firefox
* Compiz Fusion compositing window manager
* multimedia support out of the box (mp3 playback)
* GNOME Do – intelligent application launcher (http://tinyurl.com/yntg9l)
* OpenOffice 3.2
* Inkscape, Blender and GIMP
* Evolution with native Exchange support (mapi)
* Thunderbird 3.0
* better hardware compatibility for broadcom wireless cards
* better games selection
* wireless security tools (aircrack-ng and kismet)
* Nautilus in browser mode by default
* enabled clicking via touchpad by default
* optimized iso image for 2GB usb
* many other enhancements

* Advanced users feel free to look into
/usr/share/community-fedora-remix/ directory, you will find all files
that were used to create this Fedora Remix.

* mintMenu and DockbarX
mintMenu and DockbarX are two GNOME panel addons that make this Linux
distro unique and these are the most obvious features that you will
encounter first time you login.

- If you would like to test only mintMenu and disable DockbarX type
this into terminal window:
gconftool-2 --load
/usr/share/community-fedora-remix/gconf2/one-panel-settings.xml

- For standard GNOME look  feel just type this into terminal:
gconftool-2 --load
/usr/share/community-fedora-remix/gconf2/default-panel-settings.xml

- And again for full mintMenu + DockbarX desktop this is the magic key:
gconftool-2 --load
/usr/share/community-fedora-remix/gconf2/one-panel-settings-dockbarx.xml


If you have any suggestion on how to make this Fedora Remix better and
to get involved feel free to join us and make this Fedora Remix even
better.

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Re: change default browser in thunderbird

2010-05-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 17:42 +0200, Mike Guilmot wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 That assumes he's using Gnome. If not, he needs to run
 gnome-control-center from a command line.
 
 
 Don't you mean KDE ? I'm not using gnome and do it like that :-)

I meant exactly what I said. Perhaps you misunderstood (I also use KDE
BTW).

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Re: Linux vs. Vision Tek Radeon HD3650

2010-05-25 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht

 Pessimist: The glass is half empty.
 Optimist:   The glass is half full.
 Engineer:   The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 No no no!!

 Accountant: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be

 Either 

 1. Engineer: The glass is the right size
 2. Engineer: The glass is half the size needed

Marketing:  Nobody needs more than a 640 ml glass.

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Re: Linux vs. Vision Tek Radeon HD3650

2010-05-25 Thread Fennix
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht 
wolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com wrote:


  Pessimist: The glass is half empty.
  Optimist:   The glass is half full.
  Engineer:   The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
 
  No no no!!
 
  Accountant: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be
 
  Either
 
  1. Engineer: The glass is the right size
  2. Engineer: The glass is half the size needed

 Marketing:  Nobody needs more than a 640 ml glass.

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640 ml?  Make that a brandy please.

fennix
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F13 upgrades post here, please.

2010-05-25 Thread Linuxguy123
Hi people.

I'd love to hear about F13 upgrade experiences.  Once the issues are
worked out I'll be upgrading from F12.

Thanks

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Linux for T1 bonding ???

2010-05-25 Thread jack craig
Hi Folks,

This is probably not the best forum for this query, but I am hoping you 
might direct me...

We have  a T1 that is running about max'd out. We are thinking to buy a 
comcast connection and
use a Linux based T1 bonding to load balance over the 2 pipes.

Any open source references to recommend? I have not been finding a lot 
of options...

Thx, jackc...

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Re: F13 upgrades post here, please.

2010-05-25 Thread Alan Evans
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd love to hear about F13 upgrade experiences.  Once the issues are
 worked out I'll be upgrading from F12.

Do you want all the issues listed conveniently to you in a single
thread? I, for one, would prefer that separate upgrade issues be in
separate threads.
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Re: Imap/s certificate issue?

2010-05-25 Thread Rex Dieter
Philip Prindeville wrote:

 On 5/24/10 12:53 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:

 which imap server are you using here?  does the ssl cert in question
 validate ok?

 I'm using cyrus-imapd-2.3.16-3.fc12.x86_64
 
 It's a self-signed cert, so I'm not sure what you mean by validate ok...

OK, sounds like it cannot be validated then (ie, it is not signed by a 
verifiable CA).

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Re: mirror, mirror

2010-05-25 Thread Robert G. (Doc) Savage

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 09:03 -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:

 I just tried downloading the F13 iso.  When I went through the mirrors
 redirector I got PNL, which came up with an HTTP error page.  Going to
 kernel.org by hand, I got 300M of the f13 install iso and it hung.  Has
 Fedora become wildly and unexpectedly popular and the mirrors are
 getting hammered or is something else going on here?


Wolfgang,

Hammered is the right word. The Fedora world is now and will remain in
a feeding frenzy for a few days following the official release.

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Re: Why are the torrents so slow?

2010-05-25 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 09:53:24AM -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 Why are the torrents so slow? I usually get download speeds of up to 600 
 Kbps. (both torrent or direct download) But with the 64 bit XFCE torrent 
 I'm getting downloads @ ~20Kbps. At times the upload spikes to 90Kbps, 
 but I don't mind that as long as it downloads faster.

There are only 7 seeds and 12 leechers on that torrent right now...

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Problem with joypads in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Björn Sund
Hey, when I try to use joypads with some applications they crash with a
segmentation fault.

I have tried both a ps2-usb converter, and a xbox 360 controller. The
applications that crash are zsnes, bsnes (both in repos), snes9x-gtk,
pcsx.

Anyone have any idea why this happens?

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Re: Linux for T1 bonding ???

2010-05-25 Thread Mike Guilmot
On 05/25/2010 06:31 PM, jack craig wrote:
 Hi Folks,

 This is probably not the best forum for this query, but I am hoping you
 might direct me...

 We have  a T1 that is running about max'd out. We are thinking to buy a
 comcast connection and
 use a Linux based T1 bonding to load balance over the 2 pipes.

 Any open source references to recommend? I have not been finding a lot
 of options...

 Thx, jackc...


Vyatta is nice. :-)

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OT:smartphone

2010-05-25 Thread madunix
after reviewing http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/  and
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nokia-n900-first-look few days
ago, I have decided to get nokia N900 over a blackberry, iphone and
droid... since i wanted linux portable box. I need to know your
feedback about this issue.

Thanks
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Any difference between F13 RC3 and Final?

2010-05-25 Thread Richard Shaw
I have been using the Deltaisos from Andre to keep updating my F13
x86_64 install DVD but I do not see one for RC3-Final. Are they the
same?

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Linux for T1 bonding ???

2010-05-25 Thread jack craig
I'll check it out, Thx Mike!

On 05/25/2010 10:27 AM, Mike Guilmot wrote:
 On 05/25/2010 06:31 PM, jack craig wrote:

 Hi Folks,

 This is probably not the best forum for this query, but I am hoping you
 might direct me...

 We have  a T1 that is running about max'd out. We are thinking to buy a
 comcast connection and
 use a Linux based T1 bonding to load balance over the 2 pipes.

 Any open source references to recommend? I have not been finding a lot
 of options...

 Thx, jackc...


  
 Vyatta is nice. :-)



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Re: Importing an mbox into Imap

2010-05-25 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 I took the liberty of asking our mail admin about this, since I know
 we've done it in the past. This is his answer:
  
 I wrote a very Cyrus-specific Perl script (which runs on
 the mailstore server) that parsed an mbox file, split it into
 individual messages, and handed them to Cyrus for storage.  And
 yes, it takes many hours (on a fast machine with fast disks) and
 some babysitting.
 
 If he's not using Cyrus, or doesn't have access to the server,
 tough luck... :-/
  
 I'm sure he wouldn't mind sharing the script if you're interested, but
 it is specific to Cyrus.

I'm using Dovecot.  Though, I'm wondering if it will be any advantage
because of the difference in server, and:

Is there an advantage in externally splitting an mbox spool and playing
with files, compared to importing mail from one folder to another, and
the mail server storing that mail in maildir, itself.

I suspect there's a good chance of creating maildir files that don't fit
in with the way the mailserver wants to have its maildir files (file
paths, etc.).

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Re: mirror, mirror

2010-05-25 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 11:36 -0500, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote:
 Hammered is the right word. The Fedora world is now and will remain
 in a feeding frenzy for a few days following the official release.

That's one reason why I get such things from my ISP's local mirror.
Quite a few ISPs have file mirrors, even ones that don't tell you about
it.  It's often worth having a poke around your ISP's domain name with a
FTP client.


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Re: OT:smartphone

2010-05-25 Thread Linuxguy123
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 20:29 +0300, madunix wrote:
 after reviewing http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/  and
 http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nokia-n900-first-look few days
 ago, I have decided to get nokia N900 over a blackberry, iphone and
 droid... since i wanted linux portable box. I need to know your
 feedback about this issue.


I came to the same conclusion but haven't purchased the N900 due to the
lack of an update to Maemo 5 and Meego not shipping in any meaningful
way yet. 

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Re: Why are the torrents so slow?

2010-05-25 Thread suvayu ali
On 25 May 2010 10:02, Matt Domsch matt_dom...@dell.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 09:53:24AM -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 Why are the torrents so slow? I usually get download speeds of up to 600
 Kbps. (both torrent or direct download) But with the 64 bit XFCE torrent
 I'm getting downloads @ ~20Kbps. At times the upload spikes to 90Kbps,
 but I don't mind that as long as it downloads faster.

 There are only 7 seeds and 12 leechers on that torrent right now...


Thanks Matt. I didn't see that information, the web-ui for
transmission-daemon doesn't present that information in a clear
manner. :)

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Re: Why are the torrents so slow?

2010-05-25 Thread Steven Stern
On 05/25/2010 01:17 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
 On 25 May 2010 10:02, Matt Domsch matt_dom...@dell.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 09:53:24AM -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 Why are the torrents so slow? I usually get download speeds of up to 600
 Kbps. (both torrent or direct download) But with the 64 bit XFCE torrent
 I'm getting downloads @ ~20Kbps. At times the upload spikes to 90Kbps,
 but I don't mind that as long as it downloads faster.

 There are only 7 seeds and 12 leechers on that torrent right now...

 
 Thanks Matt. I didn't see that information, the web-ui for
 transmission-daemon doesn't present that information in a clear
 manner. :)
 
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I'll be a seed for the 386 DVD in about 7 minutes. :-)

Currently downloading at 750KBPS and uploading at 100KBPS

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Upgrade from Fedora 12 to Fedora 13 RC Final

2010-05-25 Thread Jerry Feldman
Over the weekend I upgraded from Fedora 12 to Fedora 13 RC initially
using preupgrade and yum upgrade. At one point, it appeared that
Anaconda was frozen so I rebooted. I had to fall back to the Fedora 12
kernel, 2.6.32.12-115.fc12.x86_64. Everything else seems to work fine
mostly, and I plan to continue the upgrade to Fedora 13 when I have some
time.

One issue is that Thunderbird did not display html texts. Looks like
some settings were lost, so that was easily fixable, and I have not been
able to sign my messages. I think the issue here is simply that
gpg-agent is not set properly, not a Fedora 13 issue per se.
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Re: Linux for T1 bonding ???

2010-05-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 09:31:35 -0700,
  jack craig jcr...@extraview.com wrote:
 
 Any open source references to recommend? I have not been finding a lot 
 of options...

When I was looking at getting a T1, bonded T1s sold by the provider were
fairly common. Unless you are looking at doing something cheaper, that
may be your best bet.

If you are using two different providers, I don't think you can atcually do
what is typically referred to as bonding. Normally that is handled with
routing.
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Re: OT:smartphone

2010-05-25 Thread Markku Kolkka
Linuxguy123 kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika tiistai, 25. 
toukokuuta 2010):
 I came to the same conclusion but haven't purchased the N900
 due to the lack of an update to Maemo 5 and Meego not shipping
 in any meaningful way yet.

Maemo 5 version 1.2 will be available tomorrow (May 26th). There 
won't be any official upgrade to Meego on N900. 
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/

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Re: Linux for T1 bonding ???

2010-05-25 Thread jack craig


On 05/25/2010 11:39 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 09:31:35 -0700,
jack craigjcr...@extraview.com  wrote:

 Any open source references to recommend? I have not been finding a lot
 of options...
  
 When I was looking at getting a T1, bonded T1s sold by the provider were
 fairly common. Unless you are looking at doing something cheaper, that
 may be your best bet.

 If you are using two different providers, I don't think you can atcually do
 what is typically referred to as bonding. Normally that is handled with
 routing.


I've hit a couple bumps in this investigation.

the boss first said check into comcast cable (static ip's available),
but then he was assuming it was a t1 serve that could be bonded
with our current t1.

so far, t1  cable modem are separate, discreet options.

i found mushroom networks and they offer a bonding appliance that says 
its smart about load
balancing, e.g. using all bonded lines.

mark pointed out vyatta, that looks interesting too.

The cable connection rates are real low compared to our t1, i am not 
thinking
we ought to get the cable connection and if its as fast as advertised, 
ditch the t1 we have now.

interesting quest! :)

thx for your comments, jackc...


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Re: SELinux blocks access to device files when booting 2.6.32.* kernels (fc12) [SOLVED]

2010-05-25 Thread Karl-Michael Schneider
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 On 05/23/2010 02:32 PM, Karl-Michael Schneider wrote:
 On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 06:05 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:

 On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 17:19 -0700, Karl-Michael Schneider wrote:

 # kernel-2.6.32.12-115.fc12 in single user mode
 $ ls -lZ /dev
 crw---. root root system_u:object_r:unlabeled_t:s0 agpgart
 drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:unlabeled_t:s0 block
 drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:unlabeled_t:s0 bsg


 # kernel-2.6.31.12-174.2.22.fc12 in single user mode
 $ ls -lZ /dev
 crw-rw. root audio   system_u:object_r:sound_device_t:s0 adsp
 crw---. root video   system_u:object_r:agp_device_t:s0 agpgart
 crw-rw. root audio   system_u:object_r:sound_device_t:s0 audio
 drwxr-xr-x. root root    system_u:object_r:device_t:s0    block

 While not having the answer to your query, I might pose the obvious
 questions:

 Are you booting the other kernel on the same installation?

 It's just a kernel version change in your grub.conf file between the two
 of them?

 You're not booting to a second installation, where you copied all the
 files across, and copied /dev as files?

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 Yes, I'm booting both kernels in the same installation. I have both
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 Can you post this question on the fedora selinux list.  Seems like this
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http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/selinux/2010-May/012577.html
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Re: OT:smartphone

2010-05-25 Thread Linuxguy123
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 21:40 +0300, Markku Kolkka wrote:
 Linuxguy123 kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika tiistai, 25. 
 toukokuuta 2010):
  I came to the same conclusion but haven't purchased the N900
  due to the lack of an update to Maemo 5 and Meego not shipping
  in any meaningful way yet.
 
 Maemo 5 version 1.2 will be available tomorrow (May 26th). There 
 won't be any official upgrade to Meego on N900. 
 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/

That is exactly the reason I held off from buying one.  I'll wait for
the N950 or whatever they call it, running Meego before I buy
anything.  

Maemo is a dead platform.  It took them forever to release this update
and I doubt there will be another one.

I want something like Fedora for mobile devices.  I'm hoping thats
Meego. 

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Re: Any difference between F13 RC3 and Final?

2010-05-25 Thread David Boles
On 5/25/2010 1:37 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
 I have been using the Deltaisos from Andre to keep updating my F13
 x86_64 install DVD but I do not see one for RC3-Final. Are they the
 same?



If I understood correctly. No.

There are however some updates/fixes. The number depends on what you
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Re: Linux for T1 bonding ???

2010-05-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:49:01 -0700,
  jack craig jcr...@extraview.com wrote:
 
 the boss first said check into comcast cable (static ip's available),
 but then he was assuming it was a t1 serve that could be bonded
 with our current t1.

You don't get static IPs with your T1? Or do you just need more?
I modem I got from my provider allows you to plug in two T1 cables.
(I only have one though.)

 so far, t1  cable modem are separate, discreet options.
 
 i found mushroom networks and they offer a bonding appliance that says 
 its smart about load
 balancing, e.g. using all bonded lines.

Normally for bonding you need something at both ends. Otherwise it isn't
what I have normally seen referred to as bonding.

 mark pointed out vyatta, that looks interesting too.
 
 The cable connection rates are real low compared to our t1, i am not 
 thinking
 we ought to get the cable connection and if its as fast as advertised, 
 ditch the t1 we have now.

The networking will be more complicated if you have two providers. If you
have easy to segregate uses for the bandwidth this might be easy to do.
If not, then it might be tricky.

Upgrading your T1 to a bonded T1 might be worth doing despite the higher
bandwidth costs (compared to cable) than having to deal multihomed networking
issues. I don't know that there are simple upgrades beyond a bonded T1, so
if you are going to eventually need more than 3 Mb/s that could be an issue.

Be careful about what you get with comcast. T1s are regulated and they let
you use the full bandwidth 24/7 both ways and there are some guarantees for
uptime. The comcast connection may be oversubscribed and there may be a
presumption that you won't be using the full bandwidth 24/7. Which may be
OK, just be sure you know what you're getting.

 
 interesting quest! :)
 
 thx for your comments, jackc...
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Re: OT:smartphone

2010-05-25 Thread jack craig


On 05/25/2010 12:18 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 21:40 +0300, Markku Kolkka wrote:

 Linuxguy123 kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika tiistai, 25.
 toukokuuta 2010):
  
 I came to the same conclusion but haven't purchased the N900
 due to the lack of an update to Maemo 5 and Meego not shipping
 in any meaningful way yet.

 Maemo 5 version 1.2 will be available tomorrow (May 26th). There
 won't be any official upgrade to Meego on N900.
 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/
  
 That is exactly the reason I held off from buying one.  I'll wait for
 the N950 or whatever they call it, running Meego before I buy
 anything.

 Maemo is a dead platform.  It took them forever to release this update
 and I doubt there will be another one.

 I want something like Fedora for mobile devices.  I'm hoping thats
 Meego.


I'd say don't hold your breath!

I had high hopes for the moblin (meego now),
but i was dismayed to see the Intel effort spin  spin, then provide no 
useful product!
what they did provide wasnt nearly good enough.

i was using a netbook (even more screen real estate than a smart phone)
{i had been using the Sidekick, from Danger, but wanted more useful 
screen space},
and it was reduced to less than a 1/3 of total screen in useful space.

When moblin died, i bailed and have been using fc12 on my netbook since.

I am Much happier. My netbook, on a recent holiday, was the perfect 
travel companion...
My only glitch was wifi reception in a BB that was made of Really solid 
wood( i had to work near the router).

A Real Nice place,  http://www.hilo-hawaii.com/

Intel has certainly fallen from grace in my book...

just my $.0002, jackc...


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Re: Importing an mbox into Imap

2010-05-25 Thread Nataraj
Tim wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 23:49 -0700, Nataraj wrote:
   
 If it's your own mail server and your running an imap server like 
 dovecot which uses maildir format, then just use the dovecot script to
 convert your mbox file directly into the file space of the imap
 server.
 

 I am, though don't know the script your referring to.  I should probably
 have a look at a newer CentOS install, in case it has something that the
 older one doesn't.

   
 You may have to build the indexes after the files are moved.
 

 Hmm, the sort of thing I was hoping to avoid.  If I used a mail client
 to move the mail, it'd move the messages in a manner that was directly
 usable, straight away.  Rather than play games directly with the files.
   
 Another option is to use a local mail client to split the file into 
 several smaller folders before trying to move it into imap.
 

 Might give that a go, but I suspect that's still going to be a lot of
 time-consuming work.  Likewise for taking the first 10,000 lines of text
 from a spool, chopping into two files between message sections, and
 proceeding that way.

   
I would check out the following links and other documentation in the 
dovecot wiki:
http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration/MailFormat
http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat

My understanding is that the differences in performance between the 
various formats that use single files has to do with the indexing.  This 
tends to be implementation dependant as much as format related.

Though many people consider MH as obsolete, I would consider it as an 
intermediate format.  It will read the maildir file and split it into 
it's own MH format which uses single files.  Even though it can be slow, 
the nice thing about mh is that it is all command line based and it's 
easy to write shell scripts, to move and sort messages.  Also it tends 
not to crash.  Evolution does read mh format (thunderbird does NOT), and 
I have used it to move 200mb  mh folders into a dovecot server using 
maildir.  I think the key here is to split into smaller folders (maybe 
even less than 200), even if you put it back into one at the end, that 
way your less likely to get bitten by evolution crashing 3/4 of the way 
through.  If you get it into 4 folders in dovecot, I believe you can 
just rename (mv) the files directly on the server (I think the file 
names are unique) into one folder and reindex the folder.

Also, the UW imap server reads mh format, but I have never used it and 
have no idea what its performance is like.

Nataraj

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voice in pidgin

2010-05-25 Thread Adel ESSAFI
Hi list
I installed pudgin and these packages

 su -c ' yum install libidn-devel gstreamer-plugins-good
gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-plugins-base-devel farsight2-devel  '

but I have not found how to make a call with my google contact.

web pages and   images show that starting from pidgin 2.6, the voice will be
enabled
but not for me.

thanks in advance for any help


ps: the version I have is *Pidgin 2.6.4-1.fc10



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Free Media Application

2010-05-25 Thread Henry Wyatt
Were is the free media application for f13, all I see is f12

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Re: Linux for T1 bonding ???

2010-05-25 Thread Ted Roche
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:49 PM, jack craig jcr...@extraview.com wrote:

 so far, t1  cable modem are separate, discreet options.
 ...

 The cable connection rates are real low compared to our t1, i am not
 thinking
 we ought to get the cable connection and if its as fast as advertised,
 ditch the t1 we have now.


Jack:

You're really comparing apples and oranges here. T1 is essentially a
set of 16-64 kbps connections bonded together to form a ~1 Mbps
connection, typically symmetric (up/down speeds the same) and provided
by The Phone Company. As such, it's a well-known, mature, pretty
highly-engineered product that can be expected to deliver very high
Quality of Service (QOS) and can be contracted to have a particular
Service Level Agreement (SLA) that provides for certain uptimes,
response times, and penalties for failure to deliver service. But you
pay for all those acronyms.

A business cable service, while a step up from consumer-grade service,
usually doesn't provide the same level of quality nor reliability.
It's typically asymmetric (16 Mbps/2 Mbps, for example) and those
speed ratings may be burst mode ratings and not actually long-term
expected bandwidth. If you're providing some services to your
customers via your Internet connection, the QOS/SLA may be important
to you, particularly if you can place a value on your services in
terms of hard dollars lost per hour of downtime (or sluggishness). And
there are other factors to consider, such a latency (roughly, how long
it takes to start a transmission).  And cable plant installations vary
all over the place, from highly-reliable to highly-fallible. If you
know of other businesses in your area, you can get some sense of the
reliability of the local plant and the local Cable Guys. And you ought
to check on http://www.dslreports.com/ as well for reports from your
area.

I'd inquire with the cable company what their SLA policies are, or
what might be available.

At typical US prices of $600/mo for T1 versus $99/mo for cable, the
face value of saving $6000 a year sounds attractive, but those savings
can easily be stomped on by a one-week-downtime.

On the flip side, if you're really just providing more bandwidth for
the employees to surf and play PacMan on Google, business-grade cable
can be a cheap investment.

You might want to consider paralleling the two services: use the T1
for the essential services and the cable for the office surfing.
Experience a downtime or two with each of them and determine what's
best.

Finally, there are other options. We use a business DSL here in the
office for our highly-reliable static IP services, and a cable
connection for office surfing. Bandwidth isn't as great as a T1, but
costs are significantly lower. The two services are completely
separate and we don't route between them (other than via the
Internet), although we could cobble together some patch cables if one
or the other was down long-term.

It's worth shopping around and determining what's the right mix of
services for your situation.

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Re: Finding FC 13 CD isos

2010-05-25 Thread Frank Elsner
On Tue, 25 May 2010 17:13:09 -0400 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 I have poked around the download site and all I am finding is the live 
 CD iso or the full DVD iso.
 
 I have always downloaded the CD iso set, burned CD 1 for install, put 
 all of the CDs on a local HTTP server and installed off my network.
 
 So where are the CD isos?

http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents//Fedora-13-i386-CDs.torrent


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Re: Finding FC 13 CD isos

2010-05-25 Thread Paolo Galtieri
Go to http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/.

Paolo

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote:

 I have poked around the download site and all I am finding is the live
 CD iso or the full DVD iso.

 I have always downloaded the CD iso set, burned CD 1 for install, put
 all of the CDs on a local HTTP server and installed off my network.

 So where are the CD isos?


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Re: Linux for T1 bonding ???

2010-05-25 Thread Bill Davidsen
jack craig wrote:
 
 On 05/25/2010 11:39 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 09:31:35 -0700,
jack craigjcr...@extraview.com  wrote:

 Any open source references to recommend? I have not been finding a lot
 of options...
  
 When I was looking at getting a T1, bonded T1s sold by the provider were
 fairly common. Unless you are looking at doing something cheaper, that
 may be your best bet.

 If you are using two different providers, I don't think you can atcually do
 what is typically referred to as bonding. Normally that is handled with
 routing.


 I've hit a couple bumps in this investigation.
 
 the boss first said check into comcast cable (static ip's available),
 but then he was assuming it was a t1 serve that could be bonded
 with our current t1.
 
 so far, t1  cable modem are separate, discreet options.
 
 i found mushroom networks and they offer a bonding appliance that says 
 its smart about load
 balancing, e.g. using all bonded lines.
 
 mark pointed out vyatta, that looks interesting too.
 
 The cable connection rates are real low compared to our t1, i am not 
 thinking
 we ought to get the cable connection and if its as fast as advertised, 
 ditch the t1 we have now.
 
 interesting quest! :)

My experience with cable has been that it is highly variable in bandwidth. In 
upstate NY you can get DSL up to 7Mbit and FIOS at 15Mbit and you get the speed 
you pay for. Depending on your usage you might even have the T1 for incoming 
connections to your servers and use a DHCP connection on another ISP like cable 
for things which don't need static IP on outbound connections, like browsing, 
VPN depending on your setup, etc, etc.

Having done bonded lines back when I became aware that total bandwidth goes 
up 
but the speed doesn't, so ping and anything depending on response time won't 
change. And you want to advertise larger TCP window sizes so that you will back 
up some packets and actually use the bonding. Some bonding methods don't put 
packets for a given connection on the other wire until they have a few 
packets 
waiting.


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Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-25 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 12:54:53 PM, Jud Craft wrote:

 I'm sorry if I'm late to the party or this has been previously
 explained, but I can't see anything related to it in Fedora-list,
 -devel, -desktop, or -advisory.  So here goes.

 What happened to the Get Fedora page?  It was beautiful.  Now it's a
 big ugly pile of links in a strange link-map that hides half the
 options, and I can't find a mention of torrents anywhere.  What
 happened to the big master list of all image download links?

 Spins.fedoraproject.org looks great, but the main download page has
 greatly regressed compared to F12.

 [I just found the Fedora bittorrent page by googling.  Glad I found them.]

Fully in agreement with Jud.

I  wasted  time following links on the web page, and finally found the
torrent via Google.

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Re: Why are the torrents so slow?

2010-05-25 Thread Bill Davidsen
Suvayu Ali wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 Why are the torrents so slow? I usually get download speeds of up to 600 
 Kbps. (both torrent or direct download) But with the 64 bit XFCE torrent 
 I'm getting downloads @ ~20Kbps. At times the upload spikes to 90Kbps, 
 but I don't mind that as long as it downloads faster.
 
 I can't wait to get my hands on the release and I want to share, hence I 
 went with torrents over direct download. :(
 
I have often wondered why there is so little traffic when I'm seeding, so the 
answer may be something isn't right. Possibly the client setup. I usually set 
for 200kB seed, and usually only see 20kB average, maybe 100kB in a few 10 sec 
slices.

Maybe someone can provide a hint as to what needs to be tuned.

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Re: Linux for T1 bonding ???

2010-05-25 Thread jack craig



On 05/25/2010 02:40 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:



interesting quest! :)
 

My experience with cable has been that it is highly variable in bandwidth. In
upstate NY you can get DSL up to 7Mbit and FIOS at 15Mbit and you get the speed
you pay for. Depending on your usage you might even have the T1 for incoming
connections to your servers and use a DHCP connection on another ISP like cable
for things which don't need static IP on outbound connections, like browsing,
VPN depending on your setup, etc, etc.

Having done bonded lines back when I became aware that total bandwidth goes up
but the speed doesn't, so ping and anything depending on response time won't
change. And you want to advertise larger TCP window sizes so that you will back
up some packets and actually use the bonding. Some bonding methods don't put
packets for a given connection on the other wire until they have a few packets
waiting.


   

Great feed back to hear /before/ we make a decision! Thx!!!

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FC13 infofeed RSS coming?

2010-05-25 Thread Bill Davidsen
I normally follow updates to official releases on the infofeed RSS, since it 
tells me not only what was changed but for new apps, what the app does. 
Hopefully now there will be one for FC13 as well.

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Re: Finding FC 13 CD isos

2010-05-25 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 05/25/2010 05:29 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
 Once upon a time, Robert Moskowitzr...@htt-consult.com  said:

 I have poked around the download site and all I am finding is the live
 CD iso or the full DVD iso.
  
 Maybe you got a mirror that is missing the CD ISOs?  They are there on
 mine.

I was looking for mirrors and did not even find that any more in the 
download page. Where is your mirror?


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Re: Finding FC 13 CD isos

2010-05-25 Thread David Boles
On 5/25/2010 5:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 On 05/25/2010 05:25 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
 Go to http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/.
 
 A non-torrent site?


http://mirrors.reflected.net/fedora/linux/releases/13/Fedora

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Re: Why are the torrents so slow?

2010-05-25 Thread suvayu ali
On 25 May 2010 14:45, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote:
 Suvayu Ali wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 Why are the torrents so slow? I usually get download speeds of up to 600
 Kbps. (both torrent or direct download) But with the 64 bit XFCE torrent
 I'm getting downloads @ ~20Kbps. At times the upload spikes to 90Kbps,
 but I don't mind that as long as it downloads faster.

 I can't wait to get my hands on the release and I want to share, hence I
 went with torrents over direct download. :(

 I have often wondered why there is so little traffic when I'm seeding, so the
 answer may be something isn't right. Possibly the client setup. I usually 
 set
 for 200kB seed, and usually only see 20kB average, maybe 100kB in a few 10 sec
 slices.

 Maybe someone can provide a hint as to what needs to be tuned.


I am not sure it is some tuning problem on the client side. Because
all my other torrents work wonderfully. For example about a month back
I downloaded the Mint iso to try it out, and it finished at my usual
speed of about 500 - 600 Kbps (despite very few seeders). Where as for
the Fedora torrents, it has never been fast, and especially slow
today.

ID Done   Have  ETA   UpDown  Ratio  Status   Name
4081%   570.5 MB  1 hrs0.019.0   0.42  Downloading
Fedora-13-x86_64-Live-XFCE

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Re: Where is everything?

2010-05-25 Thread Mike McCarty
terry wrote:
 notice there is  look in /etc/etc/etc/.  or usr/root/where is it  or 
 some such file.  Is there a list that describes where all of this 
 knowledge is located to alleviate problems. Unless all distributions are 
 identical, 'get a good book on Linux' will not suffice.

Perhaps a

$ man locate

would help.

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Re: Finding FC 13 CD isos

2010-05-25 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 05/25/2010 05:57 PM, David Boles wrote:
 On 5/25/2010 5:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

 On 05/25/2010 05:25 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
  
 Go to http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/.

 A non-torrent site?
  

 http://mirrors.reflected.net/fedora/linux/releases/13/Fedora

thanks.  On it.


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Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-25 Thread suvayu ali
On 25 May 2010 14:41, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 12:54:53 PM, Jud Craft wrote:

 I'm sorry if I'm late to the party or this has been previously
 explained, but I can't see anything related to it in Fedora-list,
 -devel, -desktop, or -advisory.  So here goes.

 What happened to the Get Fedora page?  It was beautiful.  Now it's a
 big ugly pile of links in a strange link-map that hides half the
 options, and I can't find a mention of torrents anywhere.  What
 happened to the big master list of all image download links?

 Spins.fedoraproject.org looks great, but the main download page has
 greatly regressed compared to F12.

 [I just found the Fedora bittorrent page by googling.  Glad I found them.]

 Fully in agreement with Jud.

 I  wasted  time following links on the web page, and finally found the
 torrent via Google.


Same here

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Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-25 Thread Michael Cronenworth
suvayu ali wrote:
 [I just found the Fedora bittorrent page by googling.  Glad I found them.]
 
   Fully in agreement with Jud.
 
   I  wasted  time following links on the web page, and finally found the
   torrent via Google.
 
 Same here


Voice your opinion on the websites[1] list.

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Re: Finding FC 13 CD isos

2010-05-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com said:
 I was looking for mirrors and did not even find that any more in the 
 download page. Where is your mirror?

Mine is mirror.hiwaay.net.

I think the problem is that the Get Fedora page doesn't like to the CD
images (or just the iso directory).  There's also no link (that I see)
to the mirror list, so if you know you want CD images, you can't get
there.
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Re: Can't establish connection -

2010-05-25 Thread Rick Stevens
On 05/25/2010 02:30 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
 On 25/05/10 06:45, kalinix wrote:If this applies for ssh only, you could
 do something like this, on box9:


 IPTABLES -I INPUT -i eth0 -s ip.of.box.6 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j
 ACCEPT


 If you need more services to be available for box9, you simply let out
 -m tcp and --dport 22, to get this:


 IPTABLES -I INPUT -i eth0 -s ip.of.box.6 -j ACCEPT


 To see all the packages from box6, you can insert the rule below:


 IPTABLES -I INPUT -i eth0 -s ip.of.box.6 -m state --state NEW -j LOG
 --log-prefix IPTABLES - NEW PACKETS FROM BOX6:  --log-level 6


 and watch the result in /var/log/messages (with tail -f /var/log/messages)





 Calin




  I am using the provided F-12 iptables firewall. All I recall
  changing was opening a port for VOIP. This problem has existed since
  I originally installed this version. This is 64 bit while box9 which
  works as expected is 32, other than that they are similar F-12's on
  Dell boxes.

  I installed a gigabit NIC on this box6 and and a new fast switch,
  data transfer is fast but I would like to be able to make it work
  from either end. I have three computers tied together through the
  new switch, one is an NFS server.

  Man iptables says:

  iptables [-t table] {-A|-D} chain rule-specification


  Would this then be the correct command to use?

  iptables -A IPTABLES -I INPUT -i eth0 -s ip.of.box6 -m state
  --state NEW -j LOG --log-prefix IPTABLES - NEW PACKETS FROM
  BOX6:  --log-level 6

You have conflicting options there.  -A appends a rule to the end of a
chain, -I inserts a rule (by default, at the top) of a chain.

If you want to log ALL new connections from box6 (remember that the -s 
bit is specifying connections coming FROM box6), use the -I
version.  If you want to just catch connections not already handled
by the rules, use the -A version.
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Re: Importing an mbox into Imap

2010-05-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 05/25/2010 05:41 AM, Tim wrote:

 You may have to build the indexes after the files are moved.
 
 Hmm, the sort of thing I was hoping to avoid.  If I used a mail client
 to move the mail, it'd move the messages in a manner that was directly
 usable, straight away.  Rather than play games directly with the files.


  Not with dovecot - it is self healing and will auto rebuild indexes as
needed.

  Speed issues are client dependent - e.g if you use thunderbird and
leave GLODA turned on .. you're essentially doomed with large mail
folders!! Also clients that store mail for offline reading may do it in
mbox format (thunderbird for example) and they will simply convert your
lovely server into a local mbox .. so turn that off too!!!

  I had a script somewhere to convert mbox to dovecot maildir ... will
dig around and see if i still have it.

 gene/
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Re: Ext4 anomalies.

2010-05-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/25/2010 03:22 PM, George R Goffe wrote:
 Howdy,

 I have had my FC12 system installed since February this year and have
 experienced this particular problem twice so far. The problem does NOT
 happen frequently... Just long enough for me to become complacent that
 it was a fluke.

 Files in /root have become empty, 141 of them this time. Their update
 dates are all the same, about 2 minutes before I noticed the problem
 this time.

 Has anyone seen this kind of problem? If not, I'd like to set some
 traps if they are available so that I can find out how this happens
 and eliminate it.

 Any hints/tips/suggestions/clues would be greatly appreciated.


File a bug report in http://bugzilla.redhat.com against the Fedora
kernel and cc sandeen AT redhat.com

Rahul
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mdraid dmraid, Fedora 11 Fedora 13

2010-05-25 Thread Joe Christy
Please excuse me, for I am a bear of little brain ...

In the F13 release notes it says:

Important — Systems with Intel BIOS RAID sets
Fedora 13 uses mdraid instead of dmraid for installation onto Intel BIOS 
RAID sets. These sets are detected automatically, and devices with Intel 
ISW metadata are recognized as mdraid instead of dmraid. Note that the 
device node names of any such devices under mdraid are different from 
their device node names under dmraid. Therefore, special precautions are 
necessary when you migrate systems with Intel BIOS RAID sets from 
operating systems or versions of operating systems that use dmraid.
Local modifications to /etc/fstab, /etc/crypttab or other configuration 
files which refer to devices by their device node names will not work in 
Fedora 13. Before migrating these files, you must therefore edit them to 
replace device node paths with device UUIDs instead. You can find the 
UUIDs of devices with the blkid command.

I'm currently running F11 on a system w/ Intel BIOS RAID (1) [Lenovo 
ThinkPad W700]  and remember problems w/ the SW raid under F10, and more 
problems w/ SW raid when I upgraded to F11.

Unfortunately, the above warning is opaque to me. How can I tell if my 
F11 uses mdraid or dmraid? I used lvm to break my single raid partition 
into separate logical partitions and would dearly love to keep the data 
on the non-system logical partitions w/o restoring from backups, so I'm 
hoping that I don't need to jump through a lot of hoops to do so.

Thanks,
Joe
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Re: mdraid dmraid, Fedora 11 Fedora 13

2010-05-25 Thread Aram J. Agajanian
On Tue, 25 May 2010 18:51:54 -0700
Joe Christy j...@eshu.net wrote:

 
 In the F13 release notes it says:
 
 Important — Systems with Intel BIOS RAID sets
 Fedora 13 uses mdraid instead of dmraid for installation onto Intel
 BIOS RAID sets. These sets are detected automatically, and devices
 with Intel ISW metadata are recognized as mdraid instead of dmraid.
 Note that the device node names of any such devices under mdraid are
 different from their device node names under dmraid. Therefore,
 special precautions are necessary when you migrate systems with Intel
 BIOS RAID sets from operating systems or versions of operating
 systems that use dmraid. Local modifications
 to /etc/fstab, /etc/crypttab or other configuration files which refer
 to devices by their device node names will not work in Fedora 13.
 Before migrating these files, you must therefore edit them to replace
 device node paths with device UUIDs instead. You can find the UUIDs
 of devices with the blkid command.
 
 I'm currently running F11 on a system w/ Intel BIOS RAID (1) [Lenovo 
 ThinkPad W700]  and remember problems w/ the SW raid under F10, and
 more problems w/ SW raid when I upgraded to F11.
 
 Unfortunately, the above warning is opaque to me. How can I tell if
 my F11 uses mdraid or dmraid? I used lvm to break my single raid
 partition into separate logical partitions and would dearly love to
 keep the data on the non-system logical partitions w/o restoring from
 backups, so I'm hoping that I don't need to jump through a lot of
 hoops to do so.
 
   Thanks,
   Joe

F8 to F11 and RHEL 5 use dmraid for BIOS RAID.  

F12 and F13 use mdraid for BIOS RAID.

I have installed Fedora onto several computers with Intel BIOS RAID
arrays and have always partitioned similarly to the way that you have
described.  Anaconda has detected the BIOS RAID array and generated the
fstab correctly in F12 and F13.  I have never used /etc/crypttab and
always do fresh installs.

You should always backup before doing an OS install, even if you are
keeping the data in some filesystems.

In F12 and F13, I have recently experienced bug # 576749.  It seems
that an mdraid resync makes the computer unresponsive.

In F13 Anaconda, BIOS RAID storage devices are found in the Advanced
Storage option.



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F12-F13 Upgrade: WOW! That went well.

2010-05-25 Thread Steven Stern
Started the upgrade from the DVD and then went out.  Came back,
rebooted, and it was all done. Wow.  This has been the smoothest upgrade
ever.

Now, just waiting for 407 updates from 'yum update'.  Can't wait to see
if Rhythmbox will be able to put music on my iPhone.


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Re: F12-F13 Upgrade: WOW! That went well.

2010-05-25 Thread Raymond C. Rodgers
On 05/26/2010 12:02 AM, Steven Stern wrote:
 Started the upgrade from the DVD and then went out.  Came back,
 rebooted, and it was all done. Wow.  This has been the smoothest upgrade
 ever.

 Now, just waiting for 407 updates from 'yum update'.  Can't wait to see
 if Rhythmbox will be able to put music on my iPhone.



That same upgrade went smoothly for me, but after the yum update, grub 
went away. I booted into rescue mode on the install DVD and managed to 
reinstall grub to get my system booting again, but that was definitely 
annoying.


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f13, Rhythmbox, iPHone

2010-05-25 Thread Steven Stern
Rythmbox *thinks* it put  music on the phone, but the iPod app isn't
showing it.  I'll reboot everything (Fedora, iPhone) in the morning and
check with fresh eyes.


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Serial port on Wine. FEDORA 13

2010-05-25 Thread David A. Paredes Rios
Hey guys,
I dont know if any of you have troubles using wine, when try to use a serial
port, i get an Serial Port I/O Error maybe this can be a wine problem, but
maybe any of you guys have solved this problem before.

Thanks guys...

Sugin

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Network monitoring tool: any other/better than Nagios in the trend?

2010-05-25 Thread Khemara Lyn
Dear All,

I've been trying out Nagios for a while now. I begin to like it. 
However, before going further, I would like to know if there is any 
better tool out there in the trend, especially the one with an 
easy-to-use config tool (such as Web-based).

Thanks in advance for any idea.

Regards,
Khem
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Re: Network monitoring tool: any other/better than Nagios in the trend?

2010-05-25 Thread birger
You could look at centreon. It wraps nagios with data logging to sql, graphing, 
and web based configuration. I especially like the graphs that pop up on 
mouseover.

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