Re: [389-users] Failed to install a local copy of 389-ds-1.2.6.jar
Hey Jim I had the same problem after an upgrade from redhat DS 8.1 to 8.2. I'm not sure what the official fix is but if you create a symbolic to the missing file(s), probably 2 are missing, all will work as expected. ---Leo Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:31 AM, Jim Hilton jimh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When I open the Directory Server console on a fresh install of 389-ds I get the following message: Failed to install a local copy of 389-ds-1.2.6.jar or one of its supporting files I have installed 389-ds via yum on a fresh Fedora 15 server and it looks like 389-ds-console is 1.2.5 but needs to be 1.2.6. The directory /usr/share/dirsrv/html/java contains the 1.2.5.jar but not the 1.2.6.jar. The following packages were installed via yum install 389-ds 389-ds-console-1.2.5-1.fc15.noarch 389-ds-console-doc-1.2.5-1.fc15.noarch 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.9.6-1.fc15.x86_64 389-console-1.1.4-2.fc15.noarch 389-ds-base-1.2.9.6-1.fc15.x86_64 389-admin-console-1.1.7-2.fc15.noarch 389-dsgw-1.1.6-2.fc15.x86_64 389-adminutil-1.1.13-2.fc15.x86_64 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc15.x86_64 389-admin-console-doc-1.1.7-2.fc15.noarch 389-ds-1.2.2-1.fc15.noarch I copied 389-ds-1.2.5.jar to 389-ds-1.2.6.jar as a test and that allowed me to login, but I suspect that's not the solution and may cause other issues? Thanks. Jim. -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] Failed to install a local copy of 389-ds-1.2.6.jar
On 09/01/2011 03:31 AM, Jim Hilton wrote: Hi, When I open the Directory Server console on a fresh install of 389-ds I get the following message: Failed to install a local copy of 389-ds-1.2.6.jar or one of its supporting files I have installed 389-ds via yum on a fresh Fedora 15 server and it looks like 389-ds-console is 1.2.5 but needs to be 1.2.6. The directory /usr/share/dirsrv/html/java contains the 1.2.5.jar but not the 1.2.6.jar. The following packages were installed via yum install 389-ds 389-ds-console-1.2.5-1.fc15.noarch 389-ds-console-doc-1.2.5-1.fc15.noarch 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.9.6-1.fc15.x86_64 389-console-1.1.4-2.fc15.noarch 389-ds-base-1.2.9.6-1.fc15.x86_64 389-admin-console-1.1.7-2.fc15.noarch 389-dsgw-1.1.6-2.fc15.x86_64 389-adminutil-1.1.13-2.fc15.x86_64 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc15.x86_64 389-admin-console-doc-1.1.7-2.fc15.noarch 389-ds-1.2.2-1.fc15.noarch I copied 389-ds-1.2.5.jar to 389-ds-1.2.6.jar as a test and that allowed me to login, but I suspect that's not the solution and may cause other issues? Try running setup-ds-admin.pl -u Thanks. Jim. -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] Fwd: 389 v1.2.9.8 freeze/deadlock
On 09/01/2011 08:08 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote: Hi, i've tried to install the 1.2.9.8 testing version in our production environment but there is a regular freeze/deadlock after a particular search. It is a search sent by outlook 2003 (you type the name of the person and then click Check the name button that generates an LDAP request). The person does not exist in the given subtree, here is the corresponding connection in the logs : [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 fd=129 slot=129 connection from x.x.x.x to y.y.y.y [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=0 BIND dn= method=128 version=3 [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=0 RESULT err=0 tag=97 nentries=0 etime=0.00 dn= [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=1 SRCH base=ou=etudiants,ou=utilisateurs,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu scope=2 filter=((mail=*)(|(mail=le tallec*)(cn=le tallec*)(sn=le tallec*)(givenName=le tallec*)(displayName=le tallec*))) attrs=cn cn mail roleOccupant display-name displayName sn sn co o o givenName legacyexchangedn objectClass uid mailnickname title company physicalDeliveryOfficeName telephoneNumber [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=1 SORT cn (1) end of access log, nothing in error log, server freezes The problem is reproducible each time, here is the interesting part of the gdb trace : Thread 42 (Thread 0x42201940 (LWP 25005)): #0 0x0038644cd722 in select () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #1 0x2b8ffb1bf959 in DS_Sleep () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #2 0x2b900104e51e in deadlock_threadmain () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libback-ldbm.so No symbol table info available. #3 0x0038670284ad in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so No symbol table info available. #4 0x00386500673d in start_thread () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x0038644d44bd in clone () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. ... This is the database housekeeping thread that checks for database deadlocks. This is normal. Thread 24 (Thread 0x4d613940 (LWP 25023)): #0 0x00386500d4c4 in __lll_lock_wait () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #1 0x003865008e50 in _L_lock_1233 () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #2 0x003865008dd3 in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #3 0x003867022ec9 in PR_Lock () from /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so No symbol table info available. #4 0x2b8ffb18b308 in slapi_pblock_get () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x2b88ac54 in DS_LASIpGetter () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libacl-plugin.so No symbol table info available. #6 0x2b90001bfb08 in ACL_GetAttribute () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #7 0x2b90001be979 in LASIpEval () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #8 0x2b90001c0c30 in ACLEvalAce(NSErr_s*, ACLEvalHandle*, ACLExprHandle*, unsigned long*, PListStruct_s**, PListStruct_s*) () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #9 0x2b90001c11ce in ACL_INTEvalTestRights(NSErr_s*, ACLEvalHandle*, char**, char**, char**, char**, char**, int*, unsigned long*) () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #10 0x2b90001c1956 in ACL_EvalTestRights () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #11 0x2b87e223 in acl__TestRights () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libacl-plugin.so No symbol table info available. #12 0x2b8813d6 in acl_access_allowed () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libacl-plugin.so No symbol table info available. #13 0x2b8959a4 in acl_access_allowed_main () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libacl-plugin.so No symbol table info available. #14 0x2b8ffb192a61 in plugin_call_acl_plugin () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #15 0x2b8ffb16247d in slapi_vattr_filter_test_ext_internal () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #16 0x2b8ffb1622b8 in slapi_vattr_filter_test_ext_internal () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #17 0x2b8ffb162544 in slapi_vattr_filter_test_ext () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #18 0x2b900109010f in ldbm_back_next_search_entry_ext () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libback-ldbm.so No symbol table info available. #19 0x2b8ffb1868d1 in iterate () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #20 0x2b8ffb187ce8 in op_shared_search () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No
Re: [389-users] Fwd: 389 v1.2.9.8 freeze/deadlock
Hi Rich, The same test in 1.2.8.3 is ok, the important information being that it is also a paged search. here is the log for the same search for 1.2.8.3 (i'm in the process of rolling back to that version): [01/Sep/2011:16:19:39 +0200] conn=5 op=2 fd=128 closed - U1 [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 fd=128 slot=128 connection from 129.104.31.63 to 129.104.69.49 [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=0 BIND dn= method=128 version=3 [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=0 RESULT err=0 tag=97 nentries=0 etime=0.017000 dn= [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=1 SRCH base=ou=etudiants,ou=utilisateurs,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu scope=2 filter=((mail=*)(|(mail=le tallec*)(cn=le tallec*)(sn=le tallec*)(givenName=le tallec*)(displayName=le tallec*))) attrs=cn cn mail roleOccupant display-name displayName sn sn co o o givenName legacyexchangedn objectClass uid mailnickname title company physicalDeliveryOfficeName telephoneNumber [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=1 SORT cn (1) [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=1 RESULT err=0 tag=101 nentries=0 etime=0.021000 notes=P [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=2 UNBIND [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=2 fd=128 closed - U1 How do i compile the server with debug symbols? This would be sufficient or not: export CFLAGS=-g export CXXFLAGS=-g ? @+ 2011/9/1 Rich Megginson rmegg...@redhat.com: On 09/01/2011 08:08 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote: Hi, i've tried to install the 1.2.9.8 testing version in our production environment but there is a regular freeze/deadlock after a particular search. It is a search sent by outlook 2003 (you type the name of the person and then click Check the name button that generates an LDAP request). The person does not exist in the given subtree, here is the corresponding connection in the logs : [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 fd=129 slot=129 connection from x.x.x.x to y.y.y.y [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=0 BIND dn= method=128 version=3 [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=0 RESULT err=0 tag=97 nentries=0 etime=0.00 dn= [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=1 SRCH base=ou=etudiants,ou=utilisateurs,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu scope=2 filter=((mail=*)(|(mail=le tallec*)(cn=le tallec*)(sn=le tallec*)(givenName=le tallec*)(displayName=le tallec*))) attrs=cn cn mail roleOccupant display-name displayName sn sn co o o givenName legacyexchangedn objectClass uid mailnickname title company physicalDeliveryOfficeName telephoneNumber [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=1 SORT cn (1) end of access log, nothing in error log, server freezes The problem is reproducible each time, here is the interesting part of the gdb trace : Thread 42 (Thread 0x42201940 (LWP 25005)): #0 0x0038644cd722 in select () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #1 0x2b8ffb1bf959 in DS_Sleep () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #2 0x2b900104e51e in deadlock_threadmain () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libback-ldbm.so No symbol table info available. #3 0x0038670284ad in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so No symbol table info available. #4 0x00386500673d in start_thread () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x0038644d44bd in clone () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. ... This is the database housekeeping thread that checks for database deadlocks. This is normal. Thread 24 (Thread 0x4d613940 (LWP 25023)): #0 0x00386500d4c4 in __lll_lock_wait () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #1 0x003865008e50 in _L_lock_1233 () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #2 0x003865008dd3 in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #3 0x003867022ec9 in PR_Lock () from /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so No symbol table info available. #4 0x2b8ffb18b308 in slapi_pblock_get () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x2b88ac54 in DS_LASIpGetter () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libacl-plugin.so No symbol table info available. #6 0x2b90001bfb08 in ACL_GetAttribute () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #7 0x2b90001be979 in LASIpEval () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #8 0x2b90001c0c30 in ACLEvalAce(NSErr_s*, ACLEvalHandle*, ACLExprHandle*, unsigned long*, PListStruct_s**, PListStruct_s*) () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #9 0x2b90001c11ce in ACL_INTEvalTestRights(NSErr_s*, ACLEvalHandle*, char**, char**, char**, char**, char**, int*, unsigned long*) () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #10 0x2b90001c1956 in ACL_EvalTestRights () from
Re: how do I play this file?
On Wed, 31 Aug 2011, Manuel Escudero wrote: What happens if you open the original file (no suffix changed) with VLC? [hennebry@localhost Desktop]$ vlc B* VLC media player 1.1.11 The Luggage (revision exported) Blocked: call to unsetenv(DBUS_ACTIVATION_ADDRESS) Blocked: call to unsetenv(DBUS_ACTIVATION_BUS_TYPE) [0x85ac8fc] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. Blocked: call to setlocale(6, ) [swf @ 0xb723a5c0]Compressed SWF format not supported Warning: call to srand(1314387065) Warning: call to rand() Blocked: call to setlocale(6, ) (process:14151): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. [swf @ 0x8671410]Compressed SWF format not supported [0x8667ff4] avformat demux error: av_open_input_stream failed [0x8667ff4] ps demux error: cannot peek [0xb740062c] main input error: no suitable demux module for `file/:///home/hennebry/Desktop/B3F23B4Ed01' I'm just guessing but it is possible it's a FLA file... You'll need a Windows program to change the format to SWF and then play it in firefox inside Linux Giving it a .fla suffix doesn't help firefox play it. Since I got it from firefox's Cache, I don't understand why firefox can't play it. This isn't the first file that's given me this problem. I didn't solve it then either. That's my best idea Hummm can you attach me the Original file so I can figure it out? Thanks. 20k coming your way shortly. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Adding a Package to Fedora System?
I've been the maintainer of the G4L project for about 6 or 7 years now, and I've been building it with my Fedora systems and using it on them to do disk and partition images. Normally, it is run from a cd, but one can simple copy the kernel file and ramdisk.lzma file to the boot directory, and add a few lines to the grub.conf to make it a boot option into ram to make images or restore them. Was looking on getting info on what the process would be to do this. For me it is very useful, and I hope those that download it from sourceforge also find it so. Thanks. +--+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ +--+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) BOINC@HOME CREDITS SETI11188861.827016 | EINSTEIN 6464865.409851 ROSETTA 3561096.658837 | ABC 7821437.013274 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adding a Package to Fedora System?
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Michael D. Setzer II mi...@kuentos.guam.net wrote: I've been the maintainer of the G4L project for about 6 or 7 years now, and I've been building it with my Fedora systems and using it on them to do disk and partition images. Normally, it is run from a cd, but one can simple copy the kernel file and ramdisk.lzma file to the boot directory, and add a few lines to the grub.conf to make it a boot option into ram to make images or restore them. Was looking on getting info on what the process would be to do this. For me it is very useful, and I hope those that download it from sourceforge also find it so. Thanks. +--+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ +--+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) BOINC@HOME CREDITS SETI 11188861.827016 | EINSTEIN 6464865.409851 ROSETTA 3561096.658837 | ABC 7821437.013274 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines please follow https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers -- Itamar Reis Peixoto msn, google talk: ita...@ispbrasil.com.br +55 11 4063 5033 (FIXO SP) +55 34 9158 9329 (TIM) +55 34 8806 3989 (OI) +55 34 3221 8599 (FIXO MG) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: help with missing font (Fedora 15)
On 09/01/2011 02:36 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: I am missing a font (for a while) but I can not figure out what it is. Basically, I get something like this on my help pages when using R.: 1 lmpackage:statsR Documentatio 1 n 2 3 Fitting Linear Models 4 5 Description: 6 78098lm8099 is used to fit linear models. It can be us 7 ed to carry out 8 regression, single stratum analysis of variance and analysis of 9 covariance (although8098aov8099 may provide a more co 9 nvenient interface 10 for these). 11 . Can I get rid of those line numbers? This did not happen for me before, from what I recall. You haven't said exactly what you typed to get this output, but if you have line numbers when using man, you've asked for line numbers from the pager that man uses, called less. I think that typing echo $LESS will show that you've got the -N option set. unset LESS to stop this happening. If this isn't the case, then you may have the MANPAGER variable set to something like /usr/bin/less -N. man man for details. The font issue (seeing 8098lm8099) is actually an encoding issue in the man page you're looking at. It appears that the document is using Windows curly quotes, which are not at their standard Unicode positions. This would be a bug in the package that supplies that man page. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Freezing emacs...
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 03:55:42PM -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: In my case it happens whenever the Emacs window is minimized and then reopened. I have to maximize it and then select a buffer each time to get it back to normal. I've not filed a BZ for it personally. Interesting. I don't seem to be able to reproduce it. But I'll keep an eye out. If it isn't working for you, you should file a bug. What happens if you press ctrl-z? For me the window minimizes, and when I bring it back it doesn't show any updates in the client window area. I have to resize and then select a buffer in order to get it working again. -- Darryl L. Pierce, Sr. Software Engineer @ Red Hat, Inc. Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ pgpuLkqPyhIOM.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how do I play this file?
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 18:06 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I started a new subject by replying to myself Um, no you didn't... You added a new reply to your old thread, with a different subject line. Your (wanted it to be a) new message is buried in the middle of an old thread, where it may get ignored by someone who has the answer for your problem, but is ignoring this thread... When creating a new message, or a new topic, actually create a new message, don't reply to another one. Changing what's typed into the subject line isn't good enough. Other headers, which aren't displayed in your message editor, tie messages together (see the in-reply-to and references headers). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how do I play this file?
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 15:24 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote: is it a swf file? ok... You have 3 ways to do it: For just viewing: 3) Click with left button of the mouse, hit Open With and Open it with firefox. May not work... Some players, like mplayer can play Flash videos. Though, if what you've downloaded is a Flash player, rather than the Flash video (that the player would have played), or some other sort of container/referral file, you'll be out of luck. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sound from KVM guest
On 09/01/2011 08:32 AM, Michael Eager wrote: Hi -- I installed Windows 7 in a KVM virtual machine running on Fedora 15. The guest is configured with an es1370 sound card. Windows detected the sound device and installed drivers, but I don't get any sound. The same thing happens when configured with an ac97 sound device. Any suggestions? Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems#Audio_output 1. Set selinux to permissive 2. Add the following lines to /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf user='foobar' group='foobar' vnc_allow_host_audio = 1 This solved my KVM guest sound problem and I can use virt-manager too. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15
1.9.2011 16:12, Tim kirjoitti: I've often wondered how such languages are typed. Whether the keys pressed to construct a character relate to drawing certain shaped lines in certain places (a stroke here, a stroke there), some sort spelling out the word that the character represents, Both of these are in common use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_input_methods_for_computers -- Markku Kolkka markku.kol...@iki.fi -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F-15 Scanner Tool -
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 10:09 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: 300 dpi should be fine for my needs, I believe the Brother HL5140 Laser can do better though. Most recent printers can. Mine can do 600, and it's early 1990's vintage. The problem was mainly the resolution setting in xsane which initially defaulted to 80 dpi. The ideograph in the menu looked to me like the symbols for setting line width, brush size or something in Gimp and I did not recognize it as resolution. I can remember having fun trying to set the resolution, years ago. As I recall, the setting wasn't visible, and needed some other option set before it appeared. Many program icons are far from obvious, even when you know what they refer to. Often, you remember to hit the right icon more from remembering that it's the third one along, etc., rather than the picture on them. If it weren't for the pop-up tool-tips, that appear when the mouse is hovered over something, but not clicked on, I'd have no idea what some buttons do. I find the following for the HL5140 printer:Max Resolution ( BW ) 2400 dpi x 600 dpi I assume 600 dpi is along the horizontal axis? It is presently configured to print 300 dpi. When it comes to product specifications, I assume nothing. But that would seem right. You can make some guesses with printers and scanners, based upon the mechanics, that the horizontal resolution has some upper limit related to the pixels it has, but the vertical resolution may be changed by changing the moving speed of the paper or scanning sled. Horizontal resolution being fixed, because it doesn't move horizontally, the sled only moves in one direction (lengthways down the page), so it can't scan horizontally between the dots. Just to be clear cut, this is the horizontal direction , and the horizontal resolution is along it. Though, in some cases, the higher resolution isn't actually higher resolution, but some interpolation (software trying to guess what might be between pixels, and faking it). It's usually a waste of time, and just makes huge files. It can't create resolution that isn't there. If you want to artificially crispen a scan, you're probably better to do it in some graphics software that lets you control how much it does it by. The HP5370C Scanner: Resolution 1200 dots per inch (dpi) optical resolution 1200 x 2400 dpi hardware resolution Hardware resolution being actual resolution. unlimited interpolated resolution (HP Scanjet 5370C scanner only) Able to fake higher resolutions than it actually does, with gay abandon. If you believe them, that it's unlimited, then you can keep on upping the resolution until you can see the atoms and electrons in the page. ;-) I guess that says I should be able to set xsane to scan 600 dpi and produce copies Yes, it would look like you have equipment that can run at 600 DPI, and it's a reasonable resolution to pick for good quality document scanning and printing. I see little difference between 300 and 600 dpi on mine, unless I'm printing graphics (you want the dithering dots, used to get greyscales, rather than lithographic-only black-and-white printing, to be as tiny as possible). But text, on ordinary paper, looks pretty much the same. Bearing in mind that I'm using normal typewriter sized fonts, not midget text. Each time I changed resolution in xsane I had to unplug the USB scanner and restart xsane or things would lock up! Something bad was happening because after producing the needed copies Thunderbird Mail locked up too, something that is not normally a problem. I eventually bit the bullet and rebooted the computer. If you can repeat the steps, and get some logs, it sounds like a bug that should be squashed. I have seen oddball behaviour when changing resolutions, but I've tended to blame my scanner for screwing up more than the computer, though I'm not sure if I blamed the right thing. My scanner is old and knackered, but I dread trying to buy a new one, because of all the fun and games of trying to find hardware that isn't designed solely for use with Windows or Mac. It could be drivers, I suppose. e.g. If I use anything that accesses the webcam built into my laptop, I see the camera is on light come on, and it never goes off again, unless I reboot. If the driver for your scanner screws up, that could cause problems, and the rest of xsane, itself, could be blameless. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: slim (simple login manager)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/31/2011 06:17 PM, John Schmitt wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 09:13:42AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/30/2011 07:01 PM, John Schmitt wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:52:54AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2011 09:23 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 08/28/2011 03:21 AM, cromworshipper-fedorast...@yahoo.com wrote: slim started up fine when this machine was running Fedora 14. I installed it from for Fedora 15: slim-1.3.2-8.fc15.x86_64 It doesn't start any more. I get this in /var/log/slim.log: slim: unexpected signal 15 sh: /usr/bin/xauth: Permission denied Check the permission of /usr/bin/xauth. They will be probably ok, so next move will be blaming selinux. Looks to me like selinux. I would check your labeling on xaut ahd maybe on slim. $ ps -eZ | grep -i slim yields nothing because slim is not running. John Well can you logout of the X session and log in via a termanal or sshd to see what it is running as. I guess I don't understand. The start up process has stopped, systemd says something about 'waiting for plymouth graphical boot screen' to end and then stops. X is not running at this point. I can press ALT+CTRL+F2 to open another terminal session and log in to look at /var/log/messages, /var/log/slim.log, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I don't know if this helps, but I tried it again a few minutes ago and saw this in /var/log/messages: Aug 31 13:17:24 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:25 badboy ntpd[1047]: 0.0.0.0 c61c 0c clock_step +0.823605 s Aug 31 13:17:25 badboy ntpd[1047]: 0.0.0.0 c614 04 freq_mode Aug 31 13:17:25 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start. Thanks for helping me with this, Daniel. John Ok get me the output of ausearch -m avc -ts recent or if audit is not runnind dmesg | grep avc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5fjYcACgkQrlYvE4MpobPyYwCfTAmephgIK3WWd64L+/jo/w7b uXgAn1RVGp3/lW6+9NArpmfXnn9oD9QB =aXhM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Freezing emacs...
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 07:43 -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 03:55:42PM -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: In my case it happens whenever the Emacs window is minimized and then reopened. I have to maximize it and then select a buffer each time to get it back to normal. I've not filed a BZ for it personally. Interesting. I don't seem to be able to reproduce it. But I'll keep an eye out. If it isn't working for you, you should file a bug. What happens if you press ctrl-z? For me the window minimizes, and when I bring it back it doesn't show any updates in the client window area. I have to resize and then select a buffer in order to get it working again. Ah, yes, I can reproduce that. Open emacs, press ctrl-z, reopen, frozen. Resize, get new pane with messages buffer (or sometimes not), select scratch buffer, unfrozen. I don't get the same freeze if I minimize from the window bar menu. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: help with missing font (Fedora 15)
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 05:13:35 -0500 Paul Flo Williams f...@uk.thalesgroup.com wrote: On 09/01/2011 02:36 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: I am missing a font (for a while) but I can not figure out what it is. Basically, I get something like this on my help pages when using R.: 1 lmpackage:statsR Documentatio 1 n 2 3 Fitting Linear Models 4 5 Description: 6 78098lm8099 is used to fit linear models. It can be us 7 ed to carry out 8 regression, single stratum analysis of variance and analysis of 9 covariance (although8098aov8099 may provide a more co 9 nvenient interface 10 for these). 11 . Can I get rid of those line numbers? This did not happen for me before, from what I recall. You haven't said exactly what you typed to get this output, I used help(lm) within R. but if you have line numbers when using man, you've asked for line numbers from the pager that man uses, called less. I think that typing echo $LESS will show that you've got the -N option set. unset LESS to stop this happening. If this isn't the case, then you may have the MANPAGER variable set to something like /usr/bin/less -N. man man for details. Thanks very much for these detailed explanations! This really makes sense. The font issue (seeing 8098lm8099) is actually an encoding issue in the man page you're looking at. It appears that the document is using Windows curly quotes, which are not at their standard Unicode positions. This would be a bug in the package that supplies that man page. Possible. But many of these webpages have not changed. Is it possible that previously, I this was not an issue because I was using the Microsoft TrueType Fonts, rather than Liberation now? Thanks again for the help! Best wishes, Ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Gnome 3 child process inheritance problems
Starting an alternate session with ctrl-alt f2 and starting up the gui. Using startx -- :1 for alternate session. Top level stuff launched from the menus works but starting programs from a terminal session fails. There are multiple lines No protocol specified ending with Display localhost:0.0 unavailable The environment variable $DISPLAY still has localhost:0.0 not what would be appropriate for the alternate session. If I remember correctly it should be localhost:1.0 but setting the variable to that doesn't work. Ideas? Robert McBroom -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [389-users] Fwd: 389 v1.2.9.8 freeze/deadlock
On 09/01/2011 08:28 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote: Hi Rich, The same test in 1.2.8.3 is ok, the important information being that it is also a paged search. here is the log for the same search for 1.2.8.3 (i'm in the process of rolling back to that version): [01/Sep/2011:16:19:39 +0200] conn=5 op=2 fd=128 closed - U1 [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 fd=128 slot=128 connection from 129.104.31.63 to 129.104.69.49 [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=0 BIND dn= method=128 version=3 [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=0 RESULT err=0 tag=97 nentries=0 etime=0.017000 dn= [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=1 SRCH base=ou=etudiants,ou=utilisateurs,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu scope=2 filter=((mail=*)(|(mail=le tallec*)(cn=le tallec*)(sn=le tallec*)(givenName=le tallec*)(displayName=le tallec*))) attrs=cn cn mail roleOccupant display-name displayName sn sn co o o givenName legacyexchangedn objectClass uid mailnickname title company physicalDeliveryOfficeName telephoneNumber [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=1 SORT cn (1) [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=1 RESULT err=0 tag=101 nentries=0 etime=0.021000 notes=P [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=2 UNBIND [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=2 fd=128 closed - U1 I am able to reproduce - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735121 How do i compile the server with debug symbols? This would be sufficient or not: export CFLAGS=-g export CXXFLAGS=-g ? @+ 2011/9/1 Rich Megginsonrmegg...@redhat.com: On 09/01/2011 08:08 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote: Hi, i've tried to install the 1.2.9.8 testing version in our production environment but there is a regular freeze/deadlock after a particular search. It is a search sent by outlook 2003 (you type the name of the person and then click Check the name button that generates an LDAP request). The person does not exist in the given subtree, here is the corresponding connection in the logs : [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 fd=129 slot=129 connection from x.x.x.x to y.y.y.y [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=0 BIND dn= method=128 version=3 [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=0 RESULT err=0 tag=97 nentries=0 etime=0.00 dn= [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=1 SRCH base=ou=etudiants,ou=utilisateurs,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu scope=2 filter=((mail=*)(|(mail=le tallec*)(cn=le tallec*)(sn=le tallec*)(givenName=le tallec*)(displayName=le tallec*))) attrs=cn cn mail roleOccupant display-name displayName sn sn co o o givenName legacyexchangedn objectClass uid mailnickname title company physicalDeliveryOfficeName telephoneNumber [01/Sep/2011:13:42:34 +0200] conn=938 op=1 SORT cn (1) end of access log, nothing in error log, server freezes The problem is reproducible each time, here is the interesting part of the gdb trace : Thread 42 (Thread 0x42201940 (LWP 25005)): #0 0x0038644cd722 in select () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #1 0x2b8ffb1bf959 in DS_Sleep () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #2 0x2b900104e51e in deadlock_threadmain () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libback-ldbm.so No symbol table info available. #3 0x0038670284ad in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so No symbol table info available. #4 0x00386500673d in start_thread () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x0038644d44bd in clone () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. ... This is the database housekeeping thread that checks for database deadlocks. This is normal. Thread 24 (Thread 0x4d613940 (LWP 25023)): #0 0x00386500d4c4 in __lll_lock_wait () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #1 0x003865008e50 in _L_lock_1233 () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #2 0x003865008dd3 in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #3 0x003867022ec9 in PR_Lock () from /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so No symbol table info available. #4 0x2b8ffb18b308 in slapi_pblock_get () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libslapd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x2b88ac54 in DS_LASIpGetter () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/plugins/libacl-plugin.so No symbol table info available. #6 0x2b90001bfb08 in ACL_GetAttribute () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #7 0x2b90001be979 in LASIpEval () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #8 0x2b90001c0c30 in ACLEvalAce(NSErr_s*, ACLEvalHandle*, ACLExprHandle*, unsigned long*, PListStruct_s**, PListStruct_s*) () from /Local/dirsrv/lib/dirsrv/libns-dshttpd.so.0 No symbol table info available. #9 0x2b90001c11ce in ACL_INTEvalTestRights(NSErr_s*, ACLEvalHandle*, char**, char**, char**, char**, char**, int*, unsigned long*) () from
Re: [389-users] Fwd: 389 v1.2.9.8 freeze/deadlock
On 09/01/2011 09:02 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote: The full dgb trace with debug symbols is in the attached file. Hope it helps Thanks. Yes, this is the same thing I am able to reproduce. Working on a fix now. The same test in 1.2.8.3 is ok, the important information being that it is also a paged search. here is the log for the same search for 1.2.8.3 (i'm in the process of rolling back to that version): [01/Sep/2011:16:19:39 +0200] conn=5 op=2 fd=128 closed - U1 [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 fd=128 slot=128 connection from 129.104.31.63 to 129.104.69.49 [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=0 BIND dn= method=128 version=3 [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=0 RESULT err=0 tag=97 nentries=0 etime=0.017000 dn= [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=1 SRCH base=ou=etudiants,ou=utilisateurs,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu scope=2 filter=((mail=*)(|(mail=le tallec*)(cn=le tallec*)(sn=le tallec*)(givenName=le tallec*)(displayName=le tallec*))) attrs=cn cn mail roleOccupant display-name displayName sn sn co o o givenName legacyexchangedn objectClass uid mailnickname title company physicalDeliveryOfficeName telephoneNumber [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=1 SORT cn (1) [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=1 RESULT err=0 tag=101 nentries=0 etime=0.021000 notes=P [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=2 UNBIND [01/Sep/2011:16:19:41 +0200] conn=6 op=2 fd=128 closed - U1 How do i compile the server with debug symbols? This would be sufficient or not: export CFLAGS=-g export CXXFLAGS=-g Yes. I usually do CFLAGS=-g CXXFLAGS=-g configure --enable-debug other configure args You can install the debuginfo package: debuginfo-install 389-ds-base -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: help with missing font (Fedora 15)
On 09/01/2011 03:20 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 05:13:35 -0500 Paul Flo Williams The font issue (seeing8098lm8099) is actually an encoding issue in the man page you're looking at. It appears that the document is using Windows curly quotes, which are not at their standard Unicode positions. This would be a bug in the package that supplies that man page. Possible. But many of these webpages have not changed. Is it possible that previously, I this was not an issue because I was using the Microsoft TrueType Fonts, rather than Liberation now? Hmm, I got this bit wrong. Having checked the help page in question, I can see that, on my box, the rendered help page (produced from HTML source) seems to have the bytes: E2 80 98 l m E2 80 99 which is the UTF-8 encoding for U+2018 lm U+2019, so ignore what I said about Windows encodings. If there was a locale discrepancy between R and your terminal, I'd expect to see e28098lme28099 on the display, but your display misses the e2, which leaves me more confused. That *still* means it shouldn't have anything to do with your particular font. What locale are you using? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
Am 30.08.2011 02:05, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk said: If you want to erase your drive, issue a secure erase command. It's as simple as that. Is there a simple way to do that on Linux? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/your/device signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Var/log/messages file are empty
Am 31.08.2011 15:38, schrieb antonio.montagn...@alice.it: How is it possible?? Are you running F15? Try systemctl restart syslog.target . There was a bug in F15 that caused this. I can't remember the fix, though. You might try systemctl enable syslog.service . -- Garry Williams [root@Acer antonio] # systemctl enable syslog.service Couldn't find syslog.service. what is wrong?? rsyslog.service NOT syslog.service signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Continued kernel updates for F14?
Am 31.08.2011 16:57, schrieb stan: $ yumdownloader --source package That's true if you are getting the package for the currently running system, and it is how I get src.rpm packages on F15. But doing that on F14 will not get an F15 package. The OP is running F14 and wants newer kernels. I didn't, however, check whether yumdownloader has an option like yum to set other repositories while dowloading. There could be, and in that case your suggestion will work with a little tweaking. why not simply download the src.rpm from http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: help with missing font (Fedora 15)
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 10:19:23 -0500 Paul Flo Williams f...@uk.thalesgroup.com wrote: On 09/01/2011 03:20 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 05:13:35 -0500 Paul Flo Williams The font issue (seeing8098lm8099) is actually an encoding issue in the man page you're looking at. It appears that the document is using Windows curly quotes, which are not at their standard Unicode positions. This would be a bug in the package that supplies that man page. Possible. But many of these webpages have not changed. Is it possible that previously, I this was not an issue because I was using the Microsoft TrueType Fonts, rather than Liberation now? Hmm, I got this bit wrong. Having checked the help page in question, I can see that, on my box, the rendered help page (produced from HTML source) seems to have the bytes: E2 80 98 l m E2 80 99 which is the UTF-8 encoding for U+2018 lm U+2019, so ignore what I said about Windows encodings. If there was a locale discrepancy between R and your terminal, I'd expect to see e28098lme28099 on the display, but your display misses the e2, which leaves me more confused. That *still* means it shouldn't have anything to do with your particular font. What locale are you using? I am sorry that I am a little lost here, but how do I figure this out? Or change the locale, if needed? Many thanks again(!!) and best wishes, Ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
On 08/29/2011 08:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 30.08.2011 02:05, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk said: If you want to erase your drive, issue a secure erase command. It's as simple as that. Is there a simple way to do that on Linux? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/your/device Check the documentation for: hdparm --secure-erase and/or --security-erase-enhanced gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: help with missing font (Fedora 15)
On 09/01/2011 05:00 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 10:19:23 -0500 Paul Flo Williams What locale are you using? I am sorry that I am a little lost here, but how do I figure this out? Or change the locale, if needed? What is displayed when you type 'locale' in the shell (not in R)? From within R, you have the option of stopping smart quotes from appearing, which might improve things. Try: options(useFancyQuotes = FALSE) See help() for more details. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Drivers for Brother MFC-J6710DW
Just got a new Multifunction FAX,Scanner.Copier,Printer that has network access. I have Fedora Core 14 and when I use the tools to add a printerit finds it on the netwrok, but it can't seem to find a driver for this device. It's a Brother MFC-J6710DW Do you know where I can get the drivers for this for Fedora Core 14 ? Thanks Chris Kottaridis -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Continued kernel updates for F14?
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, for those of us who are a little reluctant about moving to Gnome3 just yet, does anyone know if there are plans to release rpms of kernel versions later than 2.6.35 for F14? Is there any chance that Fedora will extend security updates for F14 until F16 comes out to allow time for gnome3 to improve? +1 if you agree -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Continued kernel updates for F14?
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, for those of us who are a little reluctant about moving to Gnome3 just yet, does anyone know if there are plans to release rpms of kernel versions later than 2.6.35 for F14? Is there any chance that Fedora will extend security updates for F14 until F16 comes out to allow time for gnome3 to improve? +1 if you agree Sorry I meant until F17 -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Continued kernel updates for F14?
On 09/01/2011 10:08 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: Is there any chance that Fedora will extend security updates for F14 until F16 comes out to allow time for gnome3 to improve? AIUI, it's standard for Fedora to provide security and other updates for each version right up until it reaches End Of Life. For F14, that will be shortly after F16 is released. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sound from KVM guest
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 22:08 +0900, panicloop wrote: On 09/01/2011 08:32 AM, Michael Eager wrote: Hi -- I installed Windows 7 in a KVM virtual machine running on Fedora 15. The guest is configured with an es1370 sound card. Windows detected the sound device and installed drivers, but I don't get any sound. The same thing happens when configured with an ac97 sound device. Any suggestions? Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems#Audio_output 1. Set selinux to permissive 2. Add the following lines to /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf user='foobar' group='foobar' vnc_allow_host_audio = 1 This solved my KVM guest sound problem and I can use virt-manager too. While you're setting selinux to permissive, file a bug to request that selinux allow this type of access. That way, in the future, you and others will be able to do this without giving up other selinux protections. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sound from KVM guest
On 09/01/2011 06:08 AM, panicloop wrote: On 09/01/2011 08:32 AM, Michael Eager wrote: Hi -- I installed Windows 7 in a KVM virtual machine running on Fedora 15. The guest is configured with an es1370 sound card. Windows detected the sound device and installed drivers, but I don't get any sound. The same thing happens when configured with an ac97 sound device. Any suggestions? Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems#Audio_output Thanks. This worked, with one minor problem. After restarting libvirtd, virt-manager would not reconnect. It required a reboot. -- Michael Eagerea...@eagercon.com 1960 Park Blvd., Palo Alto, CA 94306 650-325-8077 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Gnome 3 child process inheritance problems Number 2
palimpsest doesn't ask for root password so while it runs it is useless. Switching a terminal window to a root terminal with su - Attempting to start any gui program gives a sequence- There are multiple lines No protocol specified ending with Display localhost:0.0 unavailable The environment variable $DISPLAY in the child terminal session has localhost:0.0 Tried variations on the DISPLAY setting :0.0, :0, localhost:0 but doesn't help. Ideas? New Data-- Starting a child terminal window with sudo allows gui programs to find the display. Child gui programs requiring privilege started directly with sudo work as well. What would this be filed against in Bugzilla? Robert McBroom -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F15: Worst. Update. Ever.
I just wanted to share what a troublesome, irritating process it was to update my F14 KDE box to F15. When it was released, I immediately downloaded F15 KDE Live ISO and installed it on a USB drive. I was quite impressed. Shortly thereafter, I ran pre upgrade, only to find that the pre upgrade kernel wouldn't run when I rebooted. About that time I got busy with other things in my life and just stayed running F14. Until about a week ago when yum update installed kernel 2.6.40-3 and nvidia-280. At that point my computer started hanging whenever I logged into a graphical work session. This was on a machine that has been running Fedora reliably since new. I spent a considerable amount of time trying to troubleshoot the boot hanging problem. To no avail. After a while I decided it would be better to upgrade to F15, thinking the problem was the new nvidia-280 driver and some older xorg file in F14. So I then spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure out why the F15 preupgrade kernel wouldn't boot properly. After a while I gave up on getting it to work. I decided to upgrade via the F15 Upgrade DVD. I downloaded the ISO file and tried for a while to install it on a USB drive, to no avail. After a while I gave up on getting that to work and burned it to a DVD. The upgrade ran without a hitch from the upgrade DVD. Or so it thought. Right off the bat, F15 wouldn't boot either, just like F14 wouldn't. After some digging around, I got it to boot by removing all akmod-nvidia and kmod-nvidia files as well as my xorg.conf file. Which, incidentally, has run fine forever. At that point I could now boot F15 and log into a graphical work session. But not a KDE session ! Apparently none of my KDE packages had been upgraded and my system now only had F15 gnome packages on it. Upon running yum update in F15, I was greeted with 57 error messages from yum check. All of these errors were concerned with missing dependencies for F14 packages that did not get upgraded via the upgrade DVD and/or F14 packages that the upgrade process decided to leave even though there was also an F15 version on the machine. After spending a considerable amount of time, I determined the best way to deal with the situation was to delete all the offending F14 packages. So I did. Yum update then ran fine. I then added back the packages that were deleted that did not have F15 equivalents. At that point I reinstalled KDE in its entirety. Which is where I sit today. F15 works great, but what a process to get here. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sound from KVM guest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2011 01:33 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 22:08 +0900, panicloop wrote: On 09/01/2011 08:32 AM, Michael Eager wrote: Hi -- I installed Windows 7 in a KVM virtual machine running on Fedora 15. The guest is configured with an es1370 sound card. Windows detected the sound device and installed drivers, but I don't get any sound. The same thing happens when configured with an ac97 sound device. Any suggestions? Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems#Audio_output 1. Set selinux to permissive 2. Add the following lines to /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf user='foobar' group='foobar' vnc_allow_host_audio = 1 This solved my KVM guest sound problem and I can use virt-manager too. While you're setting selinux to permissive, file a bug to request that selinux allow this type of access. That way, in the future, you and others will be able to do this without giving up other selinux protections. What AVC messages are you seeing? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5fytcACgkQrlYvE4MpobMFzwCgn38lZKz/b9fRIHn7xAeXVqO/ PG8AnAtGHYsGh3QuiMU7uUvHwRDoR8rk =Y0Xq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15: Worst. Update. Ever.
On 09/01/2011 11:10 AM, linux guy wrote: But not a KDE session ! Apparently none of my KDE packages had been upgraded and my system now only had F15 gnome packages on it. I'm sorry to read of your difficulties, but glad to see that you managed to work through them. Of all your woes, the one I quoted is the one that just doesn't make any sense. I believe that it happened to you, but off-hand, I can't see why Gnome would be upgraded but not KDE, or that your old version of KDE didn't work on your new system. If you're not already a member of fedoraforum.com, I'd suggest your joining it and reporting this there, in the Installation forum. It might help keep somebody else from butting their head against the same issue. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Drivers for Brother MFC-J6710DW
OK, I found what I need here for printing: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/instruction_prn1a.html Got a test page printout just fine. Thanks Chris Kottaridis On 09/01/2011 10:56 AM, Chris Kottaridis wrote: Just got a new Multifunction FAX,Scanner.Copier,Printer that has network access. I have Fedora Core 14 and when I use the tools to add a printerit finds it on the netwrok, but it can't seem to find a driver for this device. It's a Brother MFC-J6710DW Do you know where I can get the drivers for this for Fedora Core 14 ? Thanks Chris Kottaridis -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Drivers for Brother MFC-J6710DW
On 9/1/2011 12:56 PM, Chris Kottaridis wrote: Just got a new Multifunction FAX,Scanner.Copier,Printer that has network access. I have Fedora Core 14 and when I use the tools to add a printerit finds it on the netwrok, but it can't seem to find a driver for this device. It's a Brother MFC-J6710DW Do you know where I can get the drivers for this for Fedora Core 14 ? start here - I see your printer and Fedora 14 listed http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/evaluation.html -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how do I play this file?
2011/9/1 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 15:24 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote: is it a swf file? ok... You have 3 ways to do it: For just viewing: 3) Click with left button of the mouse, hit Open With and Open it with firefox. May not work... Some players, like mplayer can play Flash videos. Though, if what you've downloaded is a Flash player, rather than the Flash video (that the player would have played), or some other sort of container/referral file, you'll be out of luck. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Of course!! that's it! what tim just said is the answer... (Btw Yep, the Firefox Method Worked) and Yep, it actually is a SWF File but it plays only a fullscreen black because what you've downloaded is a Flash Player, the SWFObject player that web developers use to embed Flash movies on a webpage... That's why it only is 20K also, it's only the player without the SWFObject library and without the video itself... See, the retrieve from cache method works (or at least used to work) with youtube videos, as when they play, they actually cache (note the use of the word as a verb) among other things, the original video... When the video stops loading, it is on your cache and you can retrieve it in MP4 usually... Megavideo Caches the videos in SWF for example but files are way much larger than 20K. when a webpage play flash videos, most of the time they use the SWFObject method and one of the things that is caching in the background is the SWF Player, that is the thing you just downloaded... See, there are more easy ways to download videos from web, if you can, tell me what you were trying to grab and I'll help you. -- Manuel Escudero Linux User #509052 Twitter: @Jmlevick http://twitter.com/Jmlevick Blogger: Blog Xenode http://xenodesystems.blogspot.com/ PGP/GnuPG: E2F5 12FA E1C3 FA58 CF15 8481 B77B 00CA C1E1 0FA7 Xenode Systems - xenodesystems.com http://www.xenodesystems.com/ - Conéctate a Tu Mundo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: slim (simple login manager)
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:49:59AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/31/2011 06:17 PM, John Schmitt wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 09:13:42AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/30/2011 07:01 PM, John Schmitt wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:52:54AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2011 09:23 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 08/28/2011 03:21 AM, cromworshipper-fedorast...@yahoo.com wrote: slim started up fine when this machine was running Fedora 14. I installed it from for Fedora 15: slim-1.3.2-8.fc15.x86_64 It doesn't start any more. I get this in /var/log/slim.log: slim: unexpected signal 15 sh: /usr/bin/xauth: Permission denied Check the permission of /usr/bin/xauth. They will be probably ok, so next move will be blaming selinux. Looks to me like selinux. I would check your labeling on xaut ahd maybe on slim. $ ps -eZ | grep -i slim yields nothing because slim is not running. John Well can you logout of the X session and log in via a termanal or sshd to see what it is running as. I guess I don't understand. The start up process has stopped, systemd says something about 'waiting for plymouth graphical boot screen' to end and then stops. X is not running at this point. I can press ALT+CTRL+F2 to open another terminal session and log in to look at /var/log/messages, /var/log/slim.log, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I don't know if this helps, but I tried it again a few minutes ago and saw this in /var/log/messages: Aug 31 13:17:24 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:25 badboy ntpd[1047]: 0.0.0.0 c61c 0c clock_step +0.823605 s Aug 31 13:17:25 badboy ntpd[1047]: 0.0.0.0 c614 04 freq_mode Aug 31 13:17:25 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start. Thanks for helping me with this, Daniel. John Ok get me the output of ausearch -m avc -ts recent or if audit is not runnind dmesg | grep avc $ sudo ausearch -m avc -ts recent no matches $ dmesg | grep -i avc [ 79.382138] dbus[1072]: avc: netlink poll: error 4 Going back a few days I can see that ausearch reports a lot of AVC messages regarding wine-preloader and skype, but I can't imagine they're relevant here. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: slim (simple login manager)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2011 02:58 PM, cromworshipper-fedorast...@yahoo.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:49:59AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/31/2011 06:17 PM, John Schmitt wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 09:13:42AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/30/2011 07:01 PM, John Schmitt wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:52:54AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2011 09:23 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 08/28/2011 03:21 AM, cromworshipper-fedorast...@yahoo.com wrote: slim started up fine when this machine was running Fedora 14. I installed it from for Fedora 15: slim-1.3.2-8.fc15.x86_64 It doesn't start any more. I get this in /var/log/slim.log: slim: unexpected signal 15 sh: /usr/bin/xauth: Permission denied Check the permission of /usr/bin/xauth. They will be probably ok, so next move will be blaming selinux. Looks to me like selinux. I would check your labeling on xaut ahd maybe on slim. $ ps -eZ | grep -i slim yields nothing because slim is not running. John Well can you logout of the X session and log in via a termanal or sshd to see what it is running as. I guess I don't understand. The start up process has stopped, systemd says something about 'waiting for plymouth graphical boot screen' to end and then stops. X is not running at this point. I can press ALT+CTRL+F2 to open another terminal session and log in to look at /var/log/messages, /var/log/slim.log, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I don't know if this helps, but I tried it again a few minutes ago and saw this in /var/log/messages: Aug 31 13:17:24 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:25 badboy ntpd[1047]: 0.0.0.0 c61c 0c clock_step +0.823605 s Aug 31 13:17:25 badboy ntpd[1047]: 0.0.0.0 c614 04 freq_mode Aug 31 13:17:25 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Aug 31 13:17:26 badboy systemd[1]: prefdm.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start. Thanks for helping me with this, Daniel. John Ok get me the output of ausearch -m avc -ts recent or if audit is not runnind dmesg | grep avc $ sudo ausearch -m avc -ts recent no matches $ dmesg | grep -i avc [ 79.382138] dbus[1072]: avc: netlink poll: error 4 Going back a few days I can see that ausearch reports a lot of AVC messages regarding wine-preloader and skype, but I can't imagine they're relevant here. John I guess the question then is are we sure this is an SELinux issue? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5f12sACgkQrlYvE4MpobN89ACgp1MNSOi8aMHR/ggaUEfr4Mhp 3JkAoLHYS9MBtY5M21zw2TAcVzie8Rkp =JLLN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: slim (simple login manager)
On 09/01/2011 11:58 AM, cromworshipper-fedorast...@yahoo.com wrote: Going back a few days I can see that ausearch reports a lot of AVC messages regarding wine-preloader and skype, but I can't imagine they're relevant here. Do you have the SELinux troubleshooter running? If not, you probably should. It will bring up an icon in your tray to warn you whenever there are alerts or denials. Clicking on it will bring it up to show you what's happened, along with suggestions as to how to fix it. (This even works if the application in question is running in permissive mode; it's just that the message is a tad different.) I know, because I'm running Einstein@home via BOINC, and I'm regularly having to run restorecon on various things because its not set up right. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
I love this Fedora-14, and everything Red Hat, but Fedora-15 is a lot like those vile Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, and gosh awful gaudy... Sorry, but to me it just is.. I tried it for a week, and formatted it off the hard drive, and snapped the CD in-two.. And I'm told that F-14 dies in a few months, which I suppose means that there won't be any more security an function updates.. A sad day on planet-earth when F-14 dies... Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst thing is the jumbled up desktop.. And there's nothing in right click.. And you can't run two home files simultaneous.. I need that for script and photo editing... You can't remove a desktop image from the file.. You can't delete the top toolbar, nor the other bits of junk, to make a clean desktop... Office isn't in the program options... All in all Fedora-15 is a mess as far as I'm concerned... No offence meant in the slightest to the geniuses and lords at Red Hat.. I love the Linux core people for what they do for humanity, but this F-15 is a very bad change.. I just can't use that horrid F-15 OS.. It fights me.. It feels like it hates me.. It doesn't do what I need an OS to do.. F-15 is a just a big mistake.. You'll see... -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how do I play this file?
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 18:06 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I started a new subject by replying to myself Um, no you didn't... You added a new reply to your old thread, with a different subject line. Your (wanted it to be a) new message is buried I wrote new subject and not new thread because I meant new subject. in the middle of an old thread, where it may get ignored by someone who has the answer for your problem, but is ignoring this thread... When creating a new message, or a new topic, actually create a new message, don't reply to another one. Changing what's typed into the subject line isn't good enough. Other headers, which aren't displayed in your message editor, tie messages together (see the in-reply-to and references headers). I didn't create a new thread because I didn't want to create a new thread. It's possible that making a new thread would have been better. Adding to the old one was deliberate. Effectively sending it twice was a mistake. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RANT DETECTED!!!! Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 1 September 2011 20:15, Linda McLeod lindavald...@fastmail.fm wrote: rant snipped! And there's nothing in right click.. And you can't run two home files simultaneous.. I need that for script and photo editing... You can't rant snipped! Yes, you can. Just open another tab or window from file menu in nautilus. -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: slim (simple login manager)
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 12:10:18PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/01/2011 11:58 AM, cromworshipper-fedorast...@yahoo.com wrote: Going back a few days I can see that ausearch reports a lot of AVC messages regarding wine-preloader and skype, but I can't imagine they're relevant here. Do you have the SELinux troubleshooter running? If not, you probably should. It will bring up an icon in your tray to warn you whenever there are alerts or denials. Clicking on it will bring it up to show you what's happened, along with suggestions as to how to fix it. (This even works if the application in question is running in permissive mode; it's just that the message is a tad different.) I know, because I'm running Einstein@home via BOINC, and I'm regularly having to run restorecon on various things because its not set up right. Yes it's running. The only SELinux messages I get are completely unrelated to slim/prefdm et al, I get SELinux messages only for wine-preloader and skype. I can't see how that would matter here. I'm convinced that my issue with slim is not related to SELinux, especially since it worked in F14 and that kdm/gdm work well. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 12:03 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 08/29/2011 08:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 30.08.2011 02:05, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk said: If you want to erase your drive, issue a secure erase command. It's as simple as that. Is there a simple way to do that on Linux? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/your/device Check the documentation for: hdparm --secure-erase and/or --security-erase-enhanced gene/ How do you feel about the sentence in the man page jusr before thewse options are described thus: These switches are DANGEROUS to experiment with, and might not work with every kernel. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. -- === Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol... -- Crazy Nigel === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 01:15:25PM -0700, Linda McLeod wrote: snip Try to differentiate: Gnome 3 is not Fedora 15, and vice versa. There are other desktop environments that you can use rather than Gnome 3. -- Darryl L. Pierce, Sr. Software Engineer @ Red Hat, Inc. Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ pgplLw8hBp6QP.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 09/01/2011 04:15 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: snip You'll see... When Red hat 8 (original) came out, I hated Gnome and wanted Enlightenment back. When Windows 95 came out, I hated it's new UI and wanted 3.1 back. Things change, it's part of computers (and everything else). So when F15 came out, I decided to let go of my old ways of working and try to understand the logic and flow of Gnome 3. Now I love it, and get frustrated back on Gnome2 machines. Also, Linux is all about choice. Gnome 3 is what it is. You are welcome to use KDE, XFCE, Ubuntu's Ubiquity or any one of the numerous other window managers and/or distros. -- Digimer E-Mail: digi...@alteeve.com Freenode handle: digimer Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org At what point did we forget that the Space Shuttle was, essentially, a program that strapped human beings to an explosion and tried to stab through the sky with fire and math? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
gpp on F15
A few days ago there was comment about problems with gpp (gnome-photo-printer) on F15. It works on my F15 as it did on my F14. -- === *** *** * ** Confucious say: Is stuffy inside fortune cookie. *** *** === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: Check the documentation for: hdparm --secure-erase and/or --security-erase-enhanced I have used these commands for a number of drives - it is the fastest way to really erase all data on a drive, and effectively end up with the equivalent of a factory fresh HD. The only catch is that depending on your bios/hardware you may need to hotplug the drive before you get it into an unfrozen state with regard to using those secure erase commands. However as Gene says you need to check the documentation - googling gets the information you need fairly quickly. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how do I play this file?
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Manuel Escudero wrote: 2011/9/1 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 15:24 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote: is it a swf file? ok... You have 3 ways to do it: For just viewing: 3) Click with left button of the mouse, hit Open With and Open it with firefox. May not work... Some players, like mplayer can play Flash videos. Though, if what you've downloaded is a Flash player, rather than the Flash video (that the player would have played), or some other sort of container/referral file, you'll be out of luck. Of course!! that's it! what tim just said is the answer... (Btw Yep, the Firefox Method Worked) and Yep, it actually is a SWF File but it plays only a fullscreen black because what you've downloaded is a Flash Player, the SWFObject player that web developers use to embed Flash movies on a webpage... That's why it only is 20K also, it's only the player without the SWFObject library and without the video itself... See, the retrieve from cache method works (or at least used to work) with youtube videos, as when they play, they actually cache (note the use of the word as a verb) among other things, the original video... When the video stops loading, it is on your cache and you can retrieve it in MP4 usually... Megavideo Caches the videos in SWF for example but files are way much larger than 20K. when a webpage play flash videos, most of the time they use the SWFObject method and one of the things that is caching in the background is the SWF Player, that is the thing you just downloaded... See, there are more easy ways to download videos from web, if you can, tell me what you were trying to grab and I'll help you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpzjxsSfDKg very preferably including the subtitles. The English title is When Father was Away on Business. I actually have a DVD of this, but I suspect the youtube version of being clearer. It's more than two hours long, which is why I was practicing on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M3zhoq5tT0feature=related , which is less than 15 minutes. They have different share mechanisms. The big one just gets a link back to youtube. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote: On 09/01/2011 04:15 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: snip You'll see... When Red hat 8 (original) came out, I hated Gnome and wanted Enlightenment back. When Windows 95 came out, I hated it's new UI and wanted 3.1 back. Things change, it's part of computers (and everything else). So when F15 came out, I decided to let go of my old ways of working and try to understand the logic and flow of Gnome 3. Now I love it, and get frustrated back on Gnome2 machines. Also, Linux is all about choice. Gnome 3 is what it is. You are welcome to use KDE, XFCE, Ubuntu's Ubiquity or any one of the numerous other window managers and/or distros. When Win95 came out it took me less than 1 day to adapt (btw, do you know that you could use Win3.1-like program manager in Win95). When RH8 came out, it took me less than 1 day to adapt. Same for Gnome2, different versions of KDE/XFCE I tried over time. Gnome3 is the only exception - used it for few weeks and returned to F14. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:50 PM, William Henry whe...@redhat.com wrote: +1. Gotten used to Gnome 3 and now love it. Still trying to figure some things out. (Why has my Xchat no pull down menus anymore? I can't modify anything.) I was considering a not quite rant I'm OK with Gnome 3 after adding a few extensions so I can actually use my Desktop and access my folders from the panel. I only have two things that REALLY bother me at this point: 1. Why are apps/icons being hidden in the menu? I didn't notice until working on a package that had an icon. I used the most appropriate groups from the free desktop spec in creating my desktop file and when I tried to run the app I couldn't find the icon! Not even in Other. The only way I found it was to use the search! I then looked at what all was in /usr/share/applications and found out that LOTS of stuff was being hidden from me. I would like to know the justification for that... 2. Who thought it was a good idea to make someone put their cursor to the upper left corner in order to switch desktops that are all the way on the right? How is that ergonomic? I actually don't mind doing that for switching apps or bringing up the menu so much but to switch desktops it's really irritating. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
Check the documentation for: hdparm --secure-erase and/or --security-erase-enhanced gene/ How do you feel about the sentence in the man page jusr before thewse options are described thus: These switches are DANGEROUS to experiment with, and might not work with every kernel. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. I think they make sense - secure erase erases your disk contents, its indeed not something to play with ! dd isnt the right way to do it (in some cases like USB pen drives it may be your only choice) and for ATA SSD's its not just the wrong way its a very bad way to do it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to debug X lockup (advice from gurus wanted)
On 08/30/2011 09:24 PM, stan wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:06:29 +0200 Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote: Hi, it sometimes happens to me that X completely locks up, while the machine is still alive on the network. This is on F14, untainted kernel, nouveau driver, no 3D used, KDE desktop on a 32-bit machine with 8GiB RAM and PAE kernel. It typically happens when something is going to be drawn on the screen (a window pops up or virtual desktop change). I would like to open a bug, but I'm not able to attach any kind of usable log; dmesg says nothing, all I can say is that the screen remains frozen (including the pointer), the X server and the kernel keep doing some SIG ALRM stuff and any attempt to access the X server stalls the command (xrandr or xset, for example), in a Ctrl-C responsive way. Any idea? I had this problem in F14 while using the stock kernel. When I compiled a custom kernel it went away. While I made *many* changes, I think the one that mattered was turning off SMP on my single core system. I suspect, without proof, that the SMP code was occasionally causing a race condition, and a deadlock. Other possible causes for fix: moved to pre-emptable desktop, reserved 128 K low memory for kernel, moved to deadline scheduler. You could open a bug against the kernel, but it has moved on so far that it will probably languish. [now crossposting fedora, fedora-devel] Hmmm, turning off SMP is not realistic, as this laptop has a Core 2 Duo. I had been compiling my kernels until many years ago, and I would like to stay with the distro's kernel. I hope that upgrading to F15/F16 will mix things up and solve this in some way. Opening a bug seems a waste of time. I'm cross-posting to fedora-devel, in case someone can suggest how to collect useful info to open a kernel bug. Thanks. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst thing is the jumbled up desktop.. The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many desktops. So yum groupinstall Xfce exit to the graphical login, set the desktop type in the options to Xfce, log back in. Xfce is a traditional desktop, complete with sharp edges you can cut yourself on rather than a padded cell like Gnome 3. It is actually more configurable than Gnome 2.x in many ways as well as a lot faster and lighter on memory. If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need the user niceness stuff you might also want to look at Enlightement yum search enlightenment Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 09/01/2011 01:54 PM, Pasha R wrote: When Win95 came out it took me less than 1 day to adapt (btw, do you know that you could use Win3.1-like program manager in Win95). When RH8 came out, it took me less than 1 day to adapt. Same for Gnome2, different versions of KDE/XFCE I tried over time. Gnome3 is the only exception - used it for few weeks and returned to F14. F/OSS is all about choice, so kudos! Although I would recommend going to another window manager, e.g. XFCE. By now it's fairly mature and well supported. And as a bonus, it uses a lot less system resources, and feels a lot faster than KDE Gnome. To try, # yum groupinstall Xfce then select Xfce as a session before entering your password -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk writes: The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many desktops. Does it support Gnome 2 ? That seems to be what everyone who complains about Gnome 3 actually wants... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:01 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: 2. Who thought it was a good idea to make someone put their cursor to the upper left corner in order to switch desktops that are all the way on the right? How is that ergonomic? I actually don't mind doing that for switching apps or bringing up the menu so much but to switch desktops it's really irritating. Richard gnome-shell-extension-righthotcorner-1.0-1.fc15.noarch -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 23:54 +0300, Pasha R wrote: On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote: On 09/01/2011 04:15 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: snip You'll see... When Red hat 8 (original) came out, I hated Gnome and wanted Enlightenment back. When Windows 95 came out, I hated it's new UI and wanted 3.1 back. Things change, it's part of computers (and everything else). So when F15 came out, I decided to let go of my old ways of working and try to understand the logic and flow of Gnome 3. Now I love it, and get frustrated back on Gnome2 machines. Also, Linux is all about choice. Gnome 3 is what it is. You are welcome to use KDE, XFCE, Ubuntu's Ubiquity or any one of the numerous other window managers and/or distros. When Win95 came out it took me less than 1 day to adapt (btw, do you know that you could use Win3.1-like program manager in Win95). When RH8 came out, it took me less than 1 day to adapt. Same for Gnome2, different versions of KDE/XFCE I tried over time. Gnome3 is the only exception - used it for few weeks and returned to F14. I found a quick orientation at gnome.org. Saved me a lot of frustration and helped me adapt much more quickly. Not sure it's love yet, but I'm comfortable working with it. Also, there are a bunch of extensions (and more coming. I'm sure) to help overcome some of the annoyances. yum list gnome-shell-\* to get a list of the ones already supported. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman m...@clemson.edu wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:01 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: 2. Who thought it was a good idea to make someone put their cursor to the upper left corner in order to switch desktops that are all the way on the right? How is that ergonomic? I actually don't mind doing that for switching apps or bringing up the menu so much but to switch desktops it's really irritating. gnome-shell-extension-righthotcorner-1.0-1.fc15.noarch Installed! Thanks, Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst thing is the jumbled up desktop.. The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many desktops. So yum groupinstall Xfce exit to the graphical login, set the desktop type in the options to Xfce, log back in. Xfce is a traditional desktop, complete with sharp edges you can cut yourself on rather than a padded cell like Gnome 3. It is actually more configurable than Gnome 2.x in many ways as well as a lot faster and lighter on memory. If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need the user niceness stuff you might also want to look at Enlightement yum search enlightenment And then there is also KDE, not as lightweight as XFCE, but very powerful and very configurable. A lot of people dismissed KDE after the rough time of version 4.0, in a similar way that Gnome3 is now losing its userbase. But today KDE4 is a beautiful, stable and very user-friendly DE. I guess Gnome3 will get back on its feet in the next couple of Fedora versions, but atm KDE is the most polished environment available. ;-) :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 09/01/2011 02:15 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote: On 09/01/2011 01:54 PM, Pasha R wrote: When Win95 came out it took me less than 1 day to adapt (btw, do you know that you could use Win3.1-like program manager in Win95). When RH8 came out, it took me less than 1 day to adapt. Same for Gnome2, different versions of KDE/XFCE I tried over time. Gnome3 is the only exception - used it for few weeks and returned to F14. F/OSS is all about choice, so kudos! Although I would recommend going to another window manager, e.g. XFCE. By now it's fairly mature and well supported. And as a bonus, it uses a lot less system resources, and feels a lot faster than KDE Gnome. To try, # yum groupinstall Xfce then select Xfce as a session before entering your password Whoops, didn't notice you've tried XFCE already :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 09/01/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: gnome-shell-extension-righthotcorner-1.0-1.fc15.noarch Why do you have to install an extension to make such a small change? Shouldn't this be configurable? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15: Worst. Update. Ever.
Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/01/2011 11:10 AM, linux guy wrote: But not a KDE session ! Apparently none of my KDE packages had been upgraded and my system now only had F15 gnome packages on it. Just a wild guess: maybe you had some kde-rpm stuff installed and when you upgraded, you got conflicts with the regular fedora repo versions? What I do is have a spare partition to install the new system to and I never do a system upgrade (tred a few fedoras ago, without success; no doubt it works much better now). This way my old system is still intact and I have something to fall back on (might need to edit grub to boot the old system). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 09/01/2011 04:11 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst thing is the jumbled up desktop.. The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many desktops. So yum groupinstall Xfce exit to the graphical login, set the desktop type in the options to Xfce, log back in. Xfce is a traditional desktop, complete with sharp edges you can cut yourself on rather than a padded cell like Gnome 3. It is actually more configurable than Gnome 2.x in many ways as well as a lot faster and lighter on memory. If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need the user niceness stuff you might also want to look at Enlightement yum search enlightenment Alan Here's my desktop, using XFCE and Avant Window Navigator. I stopped using Gnome Shell not because I don't like it but because it's unstable on my system. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/el89OuwhilZBUiv4E62nkA?feat=directlink -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15: Worst. Update. Ever.
Peter G. wrote: kde-rpm stuff meant kde-redhat -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15: Worst. Update. Ever.
Peter, On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Peter G. pguec...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] What I do is have a spare partition to install the new system to and I never do a system upgrade (tred a few fedoras ago, without success; no doubt it works much better now). This way my old system is still intact and I have something to fall back on (might need to edit grub to boot the old system). I like clean installs too. When you verify the new install works, what do you do with the new install on the spare partition and the old install? Thank you Darlene Wallach -- equal justice under law -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
2011/9/1 Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk: Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst thing is the jumbled up desktop.. The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many desktops. So yum groupinstall Xfce exit to the graphical login, set the desktop type in the options to Xfce, log back in. Xfce is a traditional desktop, complete with sharp edges you can cut yourself on rather than a padded cell like Gnome 3. It is actually more configurable than Gnome 2.x in many ways as well as a lot faster and lighter on memory. If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need the user niceness stuff you might also want to look at Enlightement yum search enlightenment Alan e17 will be removed from f16 because of a lack of maintainer for it unfortunately (afaik it has been orphaned). because of that id recommend at this point aswell to try xfce and/or lxde for a serious work environment. kind regards, Rudolf Kastl -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:16:54 -0400 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk writes: The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many desktops. Does it support Gnome 2 ? That seems to be what everyone who complains about Gnome 3 actually wants... But none of them enough to maintain it apparently. Nothing in Fedora magically appears - someone has to maintain it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 09/01/2011 03:35 PM, Alan Cox wrote: But none of them enough to maintain it apparently. Nothing in Fedora magically appears - someone has to maintain it. Maintaining a package takes specific programming skills and the time to do the work. If Fedora had been able to fork Gnome and keep a Gnome 2 version alive I'd have used it but I haven't done any programming in fifteen years, and when I did, it wasn't on that type of program. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15: Worst. Update. Ever.
On 09/01/11 14:56, Darlene Wallach wrote: [snip] What I do is have a spare partition to install the new system to and I never do a system upgrade ... When you verify the new install works, what do you do with the new install on the spare partition and the old install? The old becomes the spare partition for the next upgrade? It also becomes the place to go look for previous config information when it turns out that there's something I missed. It is also useful to have /home on a separate partition that gets mounted from both installations Down side: /home is still ext3. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15: Worst. Update. Ever.
Darlene Wallach wrote: When you verify the new install works, what do you do with the new install on the spare partition and the old install? When I verify that the new system works, I move in, of course :-) I start using it right away... like I did last week with Fedora 16α. I leave the old system on the spare partition, in case something goes wrong with an update to the test system, so that I still have a failsafe system to use. I haven't had to use Fedora 15 for about a week, now, since moving all my stuff over to Fedora 16α. By moving stuff, I mean configuration files, setting up akonadi, etc. My /home/Documents is a separate partition, so my personal stuff is never disturbed by a system upgrade. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15: Worst. Update. Ever.
Bruce Korb wrote: It is also useful to have /home on a separate partition that gets mounted from both installations This is why I have /home/me/Documents on a separate partition (actually a full separate 300GB drive, sdb, with just one partition, hence sdb1), filled with my stuff. Total overkill, as I have much less than 100GB of stuff, but drives are so cheap. The /home/me part is the part that has all of the .blablabla files and directories. I don't share that between installations or distros. Each installation, say Fedora 15 and Fedora 16, might have different versions of the same programs, so sharing the configuration files would likely be a total mess. Even worse, if you are playing with a couple of different distros. I have played around with various methods over the years, but I like to make it as easy as possible for me to move to a new system. Having a /home/me/Documents in each system would mean I would have to copy my stuff over to the new system, or risk it getting overwritten when I'm creating my partion layout. I have never used lvm or anaconda's automatic partitioning. I always use a custom partitioning (the bottom choice, I believe), so that I know that my old system and my data are safe and untouched. This is how I do it. You might find a different scheme works better for you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15: Worst. Update. Ever.
Bruce Korb wrote: Down side: /home is still ext3. Yes, my /home/me/Documents partition (actually drive) is ext4 and when I will finally switch to btrfs (in about Fedora 17 or 18), I will have to transfer all of my stuff onto another partition, create the new btrfs file system on the old /home/me/Documents partition, and then move everything back (yes, I also have an external backup drive, in case something should go wrong). Since it is only my data (music files, pdf articles, pictures, saved youtube movie clips, etc.) on /home/me/Documents, it is not critical to the system, so it doesn't matter if it is not using the better file system right away (but my / system and /home/me/.* will be). I did this once already, about a year or more ago, when I migrated from ext3 to ext4. It was not that bad and you only do it once. You don't need to migrate your system, however. You can leave it, since Fedora comes out every 6 months, so just select the preferred file system when you upgrade to the new release. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 18:03, Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/9/1 Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk: If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need the user niceness stuff you might also want to look at Enlightement yum search enlightenment Alan e17 will be removed from f16 because of a lack of maintainer for it unfortunately (afaik it has been orphaned). because of that id recommend at this point aswell to try xfce and/or lxde for a serious work environment. Nooo! I've been a hard-core Enlightenment user for years. I can't imagine having to give it up! I love that it doesn't auto-mount every disk I plug in! I love the Ctrl-Alt-Ins to get a new terminal. I love the low system resources. Man, I'm going to miss it... MJ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
preupgrade or netinstall from i686 to x86_64
I don't see an option in preupgrade to go from F13 i686 to F14 x86_64. Is it possible? Or is it possible with an F14 x86_64 netinstall iso disk? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Vote to extend F14 security updates
I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released? Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 09/01/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:01 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: 2. Who thought it was a good idea to make someone put their cursor to the upper left corner in order to switch desktops that are all the way on the right? How is that ergonomic? I actually don't mind doing that for switching apps or bringing up the menu so much but to switch desktops it's really irritating. Richard gnome-shell-extension-righthotcorner-1.0-1.fc15.noarch Apropos: The designer who put the cursor on the upper left corner is a 'lefty' and felt justified. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
where'd the OP go? On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: On 09/01/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:01 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: 2. Who thought it was a good idea to make someone put their cursor to the upper left corner in order to switch desktops that are all the way on the right? How is that ergonomic? I actually don't mind doing that for switching apps or bringing up the menu so much but to switch desktops it's really irritating. Richard gnome-shell-extension-righthotcorner-1.0-1.fc15.noarch Apropos: The designer who put the cursor on the upper left corner is a 'lefty' and felt justified. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how do I play this file?
2011/9/1 Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Manuel Escudero wrote: 2011/9/1 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 15:24 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote: is it a swf file? ok... You have 3 ways to do it: For just viewing: 3) Click with left button of the mouse, hit Open With and Open it with firefox. May not work... Some players, like mplayer can play Flash videos. Though, if what you've downloaded is a Flash player, rather than the Flash video (that the player would have played), or some other sort of container/referral file, you'll be out of luck. Of course!! that's it! what tim just said is the answer... (Btw Yep, the Firefox Method Worked) and Yep, it actually is a SWF File but it plays only a fullscreen black because what you've downloaded is a Flash Player, the SWFObject player that web developers use to embed Flash movies on a webpage... That's why it only is 20K also, it's only the player without the SWFObject library and without the video itself... See, the retrieve from cache method works (or at least used to work) with youtube videos, as when they play, they actually cache (note the use of the word as a verb) among other things, the original video... When the video stops loading, it is on your cache and you can retrieve it in MP4 usually... Megavideo Caches the videos in SWF for example but files are way much larger than 20K. when a webpage play flash videos, most of the time they use the SWFObject method and one of the things that is caching in the background is the SWF Player, that is the thing you just downloaded... See, there are more easy ways to download videos from web, if you can, tell me what you were trying to grab and I'll help you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpzjxsSfDKg very preferably including the subtitles. The English title is When Father was Away on Business. I actually have a DVD of this, but I suspect the youtube version of being clearer. It's more than two hours long, which is why I was practicing on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M3zhoq5tT0feature=related , which is less than 15 minutes. They have different share mechanisms. The big one just gets a link back to youtube. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines They're all Youtube Videos for what I'm quickly reading... That's Good!! Well, you can use Minitube or ClipGrab, Not sure if one of them has support for subtitles... As far as I remember Minitube Doesn't and clipgrab does not install in it's final release under F15... What I would do in your place is Downloading and installing minitube with sudo yum -y install minitube and then I'll use it to download the videos without subtitles, after that, you can download the subtitles track separetly from internet and then in a player such as Smplayer or maybe VLC you can put the subtitles into the video while watching. Hope that helps! -- Manuel Escudero Linux User #509052 Twitter: @Jmlevick http://twitter.com/Jmlevick Blogger: Blog Xenode http://xenodesystems.blogspot.com/ PGP/GnuPG: E2F5 12FA E1C3 FA58 CF15 8481 B77B 00CA C1E1 0FA7 Xenode Systems - xenodesystems.com http://www.xenodesystems.com/ - Conéctate a Tu Mundo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: preupgrade or netinstall from i686 to x86_64
On 09/01/2011 09:05 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: I don't see an option in preupgrade to go from F13 i686 to F14 x86_64. Is it possible? Yes, it is possible, but (for me at least) it entauked a whole bunch of grief. What I did was to use the F14 x86_64 install DVD, and do an upgrade. This is not an officially supported upgrade path (and I think it even tells you that and gives you the option to either abort or continue). I chose to continue, and it upgraded a whole bunch of RPMs, but, in the process, I ended up with a lot of duplicate RPMs of mixed architecture (F13.i686 F14.x86_64) for some set of RPMs. I ended up going through my RPM list by hand and fixing up what I could using various techniques (yum update, rpm -i --force, rpm --erase --justdb, a couple of scripts which removed both versions and then re-installed the x86_64 version, whatever I could get to achieve what I wanted. It was very time consuming, and the yum error messages would take a long time to print out, and in a virtual console, I often could not see the entire output (the graphical UI was not initially working, and was one of the last things I was able to get working). Or is it possible with an F14 x86_64 netinstall iso disk? Fedora should provide a better upgrade path for changing architectures (at least for i686-x86_64, I'm not sure it makes much sense between incompatible architectures), but, their official suggestion is to just re-install from scratch to avoid the grief that I went through. -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@verizon.net cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Vote to extend F14 security updates
Robert Arkiletian wrote: I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because of gnome3. Boo hoo. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
preupgrade or netinstall from i686 to x86_64
I don't see an option in preupgrade to go from F13 i686 to F14 x86_64. Is it possible? You could try but you really would not like doing it. If you have 32 bit programs you want to continue to use, There is a multilb install that keeps the ability to run such. It requires synchronizatrion of all the system code and libraries between the x86 and x86_64. They are constantly getting out of synchronization causing yum to fail until the offending package can be manually brought back into sync. Ffinding your way from an upgrade of F13 to F14 then to F14 with updates will be painful. You can keep some of your customization with a backup of /home and anything else you want to keep. The system settings stored in /etc are much more difficult. If you have the disk space you could install the F14 x86_64 as a dual boot then get the various parts of your earlier system and copy them to the new. Robert McBroom -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
any way to control disk order?
My poor old system died, and I resurrected it by moving the disks to an older system. For who knows what reason, the kernel has decided to call the external USB drive I use for backups /dev/sda (the old system called it /dev/sdc). My internal sata disks are being called /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc. This screws with things like hddtemp where you have to give it args like /dev/sda /dev/sdb. I don't suppose there is any available mechanism for forcefully inducing the kernel to enumerate removable drives last? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 14:34 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/01/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: gnome-shell-extension-righthotcorner-1.0-1.fc15.noarch Why do you have to install an extension to make such a small change? Shouldn't this be configurable? Think of it as a different configuration mechanism. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
any way to control disk order?
My poor old system died, and I resurrected it by moving the disks to an older system. For who knows what reason, the kernel has decided to call the external USB drive I use for backups /dev/sda (the old system called it /dev/sdc). My internal sata disks are being called /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc. This screws with things like hddtemp where you have to give it args like /dev/sda /dev/sdb. I don't suppose there is any available mechanism for forcefully inducing the kernel to enumerate removable drives last? . Plug it in after booting. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 09/01/2011 06:04 PM, Mark W. Jeanmougin wrote: On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 18:03, Rudolf Kastlche...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/9/1 Alan Coxa...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk: If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need the user niceness stuff you might also want to look at Enlightement yum search enlightenment Alan e17 will be removed from f16 because of a lack of maintainer for it unfortunately (afaik it has been orphaned). because of that id recommend at this point aswell to try xfce and/or lxde for a serious work environment. Nooo! I've been a hard-core Enlightenment user for years. I can't imagine having to give it up! I love that it doesn't auto-mount every disk I plug in! I love the Ctrl-Alt-Ins to get a new terminal. I love the low system resources. Man, I'm going to miss it... MJ I love it too! http://bodhilinux.com - The best E17 distro John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 22:11:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst thing is the jumbled up desktop.. The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many desktops. So yum groupinstall Xfce exit to the graphical login, set the desktop type in the options to Xfce, log back in. Certainly there are alternatives. Certainly we can find our way in Gnome3 - eventually - for we are not retarded, and certainly we can decide whether to use it or not. But it's a sin to take something good - granted, possibly not perfect - and turn it into something unusable for so many people. Why did the UI have to change to something that looks and feels like a giant smart phone? Integrated chat and messaging? Where did that come from? Thank God you guys didn't integrate that into the kernel! I can't find much information about the gnome3 developers, but they must be generation Facebook - it's the stay connected philosophy that I see in gnome3. There's more to computing than that. I wish someone from the old guard found the time and energy to step up and straighten things up. I know, I know, different times, different priorities. The gnome2 UI was good, only the internals would have to be changed as needed. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
