[389-users] MMR issue
Hi, I have the following 389 DS version deployed: 389-Directory/1.2.8.2 B2011.130.190 I have a 3 box multi-master replication setup in a ring: \ /\ / \ / \ / \ / ... C - A-B - C - A ... / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ The replication agreements for A and C and for B and C work fine, but I have an issue for the agreements for the A and B connection. I see the following in the errors file: Server A: [19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=7835 op=160267 repl=o=base: Begin incremental protocol [19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] - csngen_adjust_time: gen state before 5007e161:1342693727:0:2 [19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state before 5007e161:1342693727:0:2 [19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state after 5007e164:1342693730:0:2 [19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=7835 op=160267 repl=o=BASE: Replica in use locking_purl=conn=7831 id=3 [19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=7835 op=160267 replica=o=BASE: Unable to acquire replica: error: replica busy locked by conn=7831 id=3 for incremental update [19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=7835 op=160267 repl=o=umc: StartNSDS90ReplicationRequest: response=1 rc=0 This kind of error is logged in an interval of about 1 second, where the local_time differs 5007e161:1342693727:0:2 Server B: [19/Jul/2012:13:28:48 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): Unable to receive the response for a startReplication extended operation to consumer (Timed out). Will retry later. [19/Jul/2012:13:34:17 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): Unable to receive the response for a startReplication extended operation to consumer (Can't contact LDAP server). Will retry later. [19/Jul/2012:13:44:25 -0300] slapi_ldap_bind - Error: timeout after [0.0] seconds reading bind response for [cn=replication,cn=config] mech [SIMPLE] [19/Jul/2012:13:44:25 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): Replication bind with SIMPLE auth failed: LDAP error 85 (Timed out) ((null)) [19/Jul/2012:13:44:25 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): Replication bind with SIMPLE auth resumed Sometimes, I also see the following error [20/Jul/2012:11:28:39 -0300] slapi_ldap_bind - Error: could not send bind request for id [cn= replication,cn=config] mech [SIMPLE]: error 91 (Can't connect to the LDAP server) -5961 (TCP connection reset by peer.) 115 (Operation now in progress) [20/Jul/2012:11:28:39 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): Replication bind with SIMPLE auth failed: LDAP error 91 (Can't connect to the LDAP server) ((null)) [20/Jul/2012:11:30:30 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): Replication bind with SIMPLE auth resumed I don't see any indication that Server B was down at that time. I did see the Bug 571677 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571677), but there was no deletion of a replicaconflict object. Did anybody encounter this kind of issue? The next question would be: How to recover the MMR environment. Thanks, -Reinhard -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] what is the best way to a new user and put him in to few groups?
well that really depends on what you are comfortable doing as far as code an ldif piped the the ldap modify command is probably the easiest to write however you could make something far more robust with the NET::LDAP Perl module. The one bad note about the Net::Ldap Perl module is it tends to take a lot of lines of code to implement things that should be rather simple. On the bright side there are a ton of other tools for 389 server that were written using the module so there is a lot of examples and experienced programers you can draw on for assistance. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Fosiul Alam fos...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I am very new in ldap(Fedora Directory Server) I need to develop a script to add a new user and put it into few groups automatically. So wondering what would be best way . Putting the command in to a script should not be a issue. problem is what would be the best way shall i create ldiif first then insert that ldif into ldap ?? my structure is like this : cn=Directory Manager -w 'testtest' -b ou=users,l=uk,dc=fosiul,dc=lan suppose if i want to create a lidif.. for user John Smith how the ldif would be ? Thanks for your help -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] what is the best way to a new user and put him in to few groups?
Hi thanks I m thinking to use simple bash script to create a ldif file. I think that canbe done .. But could you please tell me what would be the structure of ldif file , suppose if i want to create a user call john smith under bellow structure ou=users,l=uk,dc=fosiul,dc=lan Thanks On 4 Aug 2012, at 00:01, Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote: ou=users,l=uk,dc=fosiul,dc=lan -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: Linux or GNU/Linux
On 08/03/2012 11:29 AM, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus wrote: Well I think the doubt in fact is about the correct way for call this Operating System (OS). I think the political correct way for it must be gnu/linux because historically it was the way as this OS was completed and worked. We are talking about the firsts years of the 90's. Nowadays this OS family has grown a lot. It's like a huge tree growing more and more every year. But the most of people use to call them simply linux. It isn't wrong, but linux is in fact, as someone said before, just the kernel, not the whole operative system. And well, I think it's sufficiently explained. Cheers +1 -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri RHCSA,RHCE,CCNA Registerd Linux user No #501175 www.linuxcounter.net No M$ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
kernel-headers downgrade failure
Today the kernel was updated to 3.5.0-2. However, this has caused a breakage in compiling the VirtualBox Guest Additions. So, I wanted to go back to 3.4.6-2 and downgrade kernel-headers. I was under the impression that yum downgrade would result in going back on version. But, the downgrade resulted in installing kernel-headers-3.3.4-5 and I could not find the kernel-headers-3.4.6-2 package anywhere. I don't think this is normal but don't know the best wait to report the problem. Of course I'll report the breakage in 3.5.0-2 but how about the missing kernel-headers-3.4.6-2 ? -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On 03/08/12 07:27, Ed Greshko wrote: Today the kernel was updated to 3.5.0-2. However, this has caused a breakage in compiling the VirtualBox Guest Additions. So, I wanted to go back to 3.4.6-2 and downgrade kernel-headers. I was under the impression that yum downgrade would result in going back on version. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=333970 Handy to bookmark: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ -- Regards, Frank Jack of all, fubars -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On 08/03/2012 02:32 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 03/08/12 07:27, Ed Greshko wrote: Today the kernel was updated to 3.5.0-2. However, this has caused a breakage in compiling the VirtualBox Guest Additions. So, I wanted to go back to 3.4.6-2 and downgrade kernel-headers. I was under the impression that yum downgrade would result in going back on version. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=333970 Handy to bookmark: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ Thanks Frank At least I can download 3.4.6-2 now... But, I still wonder why the downgrade skips over it ? -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:36:32 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/03/2012 02:32 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 03/08/12 07:27, Ed Greshko wrote: Today the kernel was updated to 3.5.0-2. However, this has caused a breakage in compiling the VirtualBox Guest Additions. So, I wanted to go back to 3.4.6-2 and downgrade kernel-headers. I was under the impression that yum downgrade would result in going back on version. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=333970 Handy to bookmark: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ Thanks Frank At least I can download 3.4.6-2 now... But, I still wonder why the downgrade skips over it ? It isn't available in the repo(s) anymore. 3.5.0-2 has replaced 3.4.6-2 in the updates repo. -- Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle) - Linux 3.5.0-2.fc17.x86_64 loadavg: 0.36 0.48 0.27 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
The 3.5.0 breakage is already reported, it's supposed to be fixed in the next VirtualBox release. Now that it's affecting F17 and not just Rawhide, hopefully that will be expedited. https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/10709 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On 08/03/2012 04:39 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: The 3.5.0 breakage is already reported, it's supposed to be fixed in the next VirtualBox release. Now that it's affecting F17 and not just Rawhide, hopefully that will be expedited. https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/10709 Yes, I did find that an implemented the workaround.' I was more curious about the downgrade issue.having never tried it before. Seems as if downgrade doesn't really mean what it says in man yum since the repos only contain the latest update to a package in the updates repo and the initial release package in the release repo. -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
How to install language-packs after installation?
Hi, I currently try to install german langpacks to a fresh F17, but - even if this should be a really simple task - failed so far: - system-config-language relies on a feature no longer present, to install language-packages - yum langpacks plugin only applies, when installing new packages Is there any way to tell the yum langpacks plugin to fetch language packages for already installed RPMs? Or is there maybe an easier way to add support for an additional language after installation? Thank you in advance, Clemens -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On 03/08/12 09:48, Ed Greshko wrote: I was more curious about the downgrade issue.having never tried it before. Seems as if downgrade doesn't really mean what it says in man yum since the repos only contain the latest update to a package in the updates repo and the initial release package in the release repo. I find a local.repo a very handy solution (yum-plugin-local) , used in conjunction with a script to keep only relevant rpms. -- Regards, Frank Jack of all, fubars -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 04:48:13PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: I was more curious about the downgrade issue.having never tried it before. Seems as if downgrade doesn't really mean what it says in man yum since the repos only contain the latest update to a package in the updates repo and the initial release package in the release repo. As I understand it, downgrade still requires the original rpm. So it first looks in the local yum cache, if not available looks for it on the repo. That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3) versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't have it in their cache? -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install language-packs after installation?
On 08/03/2012 04:50 PM, Clemens Eisserer wrote: I currently try to install german langpacks to a fresh F17, but - even if this should be a really simple task - failed so far: - system-config-language relies on a feature no longer present, to install language-packages - yum langpacks plugin only applies, when installing new packages Is there any way to tell the yum langpacks plugin to fetch language packages for already installed RPMs? Or is there maybe an easier way to add support for an additional language after installation? I have a freshly installed F17 system with both GNOME and KDE installed. If I run system-config-language it brings up a selection of languages if I choose German it tells me the selection honored on my next login. If I login under GNOME it get LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 as an environment variable, the menus and such are in German and I'm prompted if I want to change the names of the default folders In KDE the environment variable is change, the language is not changed in the displays. To fix KDE one needs to install kde-l10n-German. Mine is a fresh F17 install. When installing I only added Japanese, Korean, Simplified and Traditional Chinese. -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3) versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't have it in their cache? IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from updates-testing early and more often. Individual users may keep copies of installed packages, e.g. via yum-plugin-local or by saving Yum cache contents, but evaluating updates-testing should be the primary way to check new updates for bugs. -- Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle) - Linux 3.5.0-2.fc17.x86_64 loadavg: 0.06 0.06 0.05 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Linux or GNU/Linux
Gordon Messmer wrote: GNU the project provides a collection of Free Software, but GNU the operating system existed before Linux. Did you run this operating system? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Linux or GNU/Linux
On 3 August 2012 12:29, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: GNU the project provides a collection of Free Software, but GNU the operating system existed before Linux. Did you run this operating system? Although I hate people calling Linux GNU/Linux... See the history of Hurd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd#Development_history -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Linux or GNU/Linux
Once, long ago--actually, on Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 09:05:51PM -0700--Gordon Messmer (yiny...@eburg.com) said: That's a load of hooey. GNU the project provides a collection of Free Software, but GNU the operating system existed before Linux. The goal was an implementation of the POSIX operating system specification. With all due respect, nonsense. Richard wanted a full reimplementation of Unix, including the kernel. He was quite successful at getting volunteers to carry out the implementation of commands, libraries, etc.--I know, I did 'cut' 'paste'. However, the kernel was far less successful. Despite the claims of superior architecture, Hurd has never caught on; almost every implementation you'll run into (I'd say 'every', but someone would come up with John Drutin's Distro as a counter-example) uses the Linux kernel and GNU libraries and utilities. Read the Wikipedia article on GNU Hurd. Richard Stallman wants people to acknowledge the contribution GNU has made to the success of the Linux distributions by refering to them collectively as GNU/Linux. People tend to go for the shortest term that conveys a meaning, so the vast majority of people simply call it Linux, and those who know understand that the GNU utilities, commands, and libraries are included. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 12:38:13PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3) versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't have it in their cache? IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from updates-testing early and more often. Individual users may keep copies of installed packages, e.g. via yum-plugin-local or by saving Yum cache contents, but evaluating updates-testing should be the primary way to check new updates for bugs. Well the comment about trying packages from updates-testing is always true. I often try to do that, but sometimes it is not possible because you might want to have an extremely reliable system for a couple of months or so. You hold off updates that require reboots or logouts and soon your local cache is outdated, and a future downgrade fails. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
Am 03.08.2012 12:38, schrieb Michael Schwendt: On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3) versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't have it in their cache? IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from updates-testing early and more often. this does not help anything if there are fatal bugs reported which stops boot like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843826 and ignored in a way that since yesterday kernel 3.5 is in stable repos for F17 adn yes i installed the first 3.5 MINUTES after it was built on koji on a for me very important machine and reported the bug signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On 03.08.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: adn yes i installed the first 3.5 MINUTES after it was built on koji on a for me very important machine An important machine should only be updated (stable or not - whatever) with a complete and functional backup prior to updating. New code doesn't only contain improvements, but introduces new bugs and flaws, too. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: enabliing junk mail in evolution
-- Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM Founder, See How You Ski Allman Professional Consulting, Inc., www.allmanpc.com 617-947-4263, Twitter: @allmanpc Follow allmanpc on Twitter View Mark Allman, PMP, CSM's profile on LinkedIn On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 20:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 12:22 -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 11:12 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have ben using junk mail processing in evolution since it appeared in RedHat and/or Fedora Linux. I have never before been unable to enable junk mail processing. But now in F17 it is not working for me. Below are the instructions from the evolution help to enable Junk mail processing. But when I right click on a message there is no Junk Mail Settings option. Any ideas out there other than ask the evolution list which I will do if I get frustrated enough? Enabling or Disabling Your Junk Mail List 1. Right-click on a message and select the Junk Mail Settingsoption. 2. Specify whether you wish to Enable or Disable junk mail handling. 3. Click on the OK button. -- === You can't run away forever, But there's nothing wrong with getting a good head start. -- Jim Steinman, Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net Junk mail setting are set mail account by mail account. Go to Edit/Preferences and edit each account listed in the Mail Accounts section. It's on the Receiving Options tab when you select and account and click edit. When I right-click on a mail messages I can mark it as spam but that's it (for spam, that is). I don't recall ever seeing where I can adjust settings from there. It may have been there and I just never noticed. I don't see it now. No spam is controlled under prefernces - Mail Preferences - Junk But does not work. Does it work for anyone out there? -- === I've already told you more than I know. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net Each mail account has a junk setting under the Receiving Options tab. The option reads Check new messages for junk contents. It's near the bottom. I have it working. -- Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM Founder, See How You Ski Allman Professional Consulting, Inc., www.allmanpc.com 617-947-4263, Twitter: @allmanpc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Firefox install-problem
Hi, Firefox, built from .srpm from F17-updates repository, fails to install: This is the error-message which shows up: Unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox;501bceec: cpio: Digest mismatch The package is original Fedora and not altered in any way. Extracted it, ran rpmbuild -bb on the .spec file, and the built was ok. Does anybody know what's the cause or where to look? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Linux or GNU/Linux
However, the kernel was far less successful. Despite the claims of superior architecture, Hurd has never caught on; almost every implementation you'll run into (I'd say 'every', but someone would come up with John Drutin's Distro as a counter-example) uses the Linux kernel and GNU libraries and utilities. Read the Wikipedia article on GNU Hurd. To be fair to the FSF there is often a perception that the FSF screwed up here. In a sense yes they made some wrong decisions, and then very stupidly were insulting and hostile to the Linux authors but there is a background that makes more sense. When the GNU OS concept started the idea that everyone would have a Unix capable system on their desk was pretty hard to imagine. The choice of a Mach based microkernel was both in keeping with a lot of the research of the time and also had a social element. The vision was a machine where any user could for example implement their own personal file system without interfering with other users. Viewed in the modern PC world that sounds loopy but on a shared multi-user computer it was an important aspect of software freedom. Sticking to Mach and being hostile to Linux wasn't very smart and a lot of developers have not forgiven the FSF for that, which is one reason they find the GNU/Linux label deeply insulting. The other screw up was that they turned down the use of UZI, which would have given them a working if basic v7 Unix equivalent OS years before Linux was released. Had they done that Linux would never have happened and probably the great Windows battle would have been much more fascinating. Richard Stallman wants people to acknowledge the contribution GNU has made to the success of the Linux distributions by refering to them collectively as GNU/Linux. People tend to go for the shortest term that conveys a meaning, so the vast majority of people simply call it Linux, and those who know understand that the GNU utilities, commands, and libraries are included. In some cases - by code volume the FSF is not the biggest contributor, even when you include (as they like to) all the third party code they took and labelled GNU. In the case of the largest and most common Linux distribution today there is almost no GNU code in it: Android. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: enabliing junk mail in evolution
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 08:57 -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote: -- Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM Founder, See How You Ski Allman Professional Consulting, Inc., www.allmanpc.com 617-947-4263, Twitter: @allmanpc Follow allmanpc on Twitter View Mark Allman, PMP, CSM's profile on LinkedIn On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 20:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 12:22 -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 11:12 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have ben using junk mail processing in evolution since it appeared in RedHat and/or Fedora Linux. I have never before been unable to enable junk mail processing. But now in F17 it is not working for me. Below are the instructions from the evolution help to enable Junk mail processing. But when I right click on a message there is no Junk Mail Settings option. Any ideas out there other than ask the evolution list which I will do if I get frustrated enough? Enabling or Disabling Your Junk Mail List 1. Right-click on a message and select the Junk Mail Settingsoption. 2. Specify whether you wish to Enable or Disable junk mail handling. 3. Click on the OK button. -- === You can't run away forever, But there's nothing wrong with getting a good head start. -- Jim Steinman, Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net I can't figure out what you are telling to do to get junk processing to work, -- === What this country needs is a good five dollar plasma weapon. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:46:41 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.08.2012 12:38, schrieb Michael Schwendt: On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3) versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't have it in their cache? IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from updates-testing early and more often. this does not help anything if there are fatal bugs reported which stops boot like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843826 and ignored in a way that since yesterday kernel 3.5 is in stable repos for F17 1) Ticket history reveals that there has been a very quick response by davej: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_activity.cgi?id=843826 So, your bug report has not been ignored, albeit reassigned to a different component without any comment. Hot potatoe... In retrospect, I cannot tell whether davej should not have submitted 3.5.0-2.fc17 as a test update three days later, knowing that 3.5.0-1.fc17 causes problems. It looks like there is disagreement about the problem you've reported. 2) You could have left negative karma on the test-update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-11323/kernel-3.5.0-2.fc17 3) Nobody claims that the current way Fedora Testing is done, would be bullet-proof. IMO, it's a known problem that some updates are rushed out and should spend much more time in testing. bodhi - 2012-08-01 18:25:37 This update has been pushed to testing bodhi - 2012-08-01 21:44:56 This update has reached the stable karma threshold and will be pushed to the stable updates repository This is ridiculous! One of Fedora's weak spots. :-( This particular kernel is also an example of a karma fight within bodhi, with several testers ignoring the guidelines, unfortunately: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Update_feedback_guidelines#Previously_reported_bugs They voted +1, compensating previous -1 votes. :-( -- Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle) - Linux 3.5.0-2.fc17.x86_64 loadavg: 0.22 0.23 0.25 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?
On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: From: Matthew Saltzman m...@clemson.edu Reply-to: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:23:44 -0400 (08/02/2012 08:23:44 PM) On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work for anyone under evolution? I'm not quite sure. I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam installed. I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting plugin. The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine? And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons. -- === Just to have it is enough. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Drawers for gnome 3.x
Il giorno mer, 01/08/2012 alle 14.03 -0700, Shawn Badger ha scritto: I am using the Connection Manager extension and have been very happy with it so far. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/45/connection-manager/ Thanks Shawn, it's not the same thing of gnome2 drawers, but work I have found also this extension: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/37/quicklaunch/ but it's missing of some features: 1. cannot manage folder or groups 2. cannot delete or modify launcher 3. cannot reorder launcher I'd like to add these features to this extension, but unfortunately I'm not a java (scripts) programmer, then I solved the 2 and 3 problems simply by creating a launcher containing this command: nautilus file:///home/myhome/.local/share/gnome-shell/quicklaunch Hope this help -- Dario Lesca - sip:da...@solinos.it (Inviato dal mio Fedora Linux) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?
On 08/03/2012 11:34 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: From: Matthew Saltzman m...@clemson.edu Reply-to: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:23:44 -0400 (08/02/2012 08:23:44 PM) On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work for anyone under evolution? I'm not quite sure. I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam installed. I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting plugin. The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine? And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons. Hi Aaron: It doesn't work for me. I had to switch to bogofilter, see my post to this list about spamassassin: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2012-April/416366.html Germán. -- Germán A. Racca Fedora Package Maintainer https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skytux -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install language-packs after installation?
when i pulled (by mistake) all the LIbreOffice pkgs via yum i got a ton of different language support for aspell, etc. not sure if it provides what you need, but fyi regardless... HTH, .. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Clemens Eisserer linuxhi...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I currently try to install german langpacks to a fresh F17, but - even if this should be a really simple task - failed so far: - system-config-language relies on a feature no longer present, to install language-packages - yum langpacks plugin only applies, when installing new packages Is there any way to tell the yum langpacks plugin to fetch language packages for already installed RPMs? Or is there maybe an easier way to add support for an additional language after installation? Thank you in advance, Clemens -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.
On 08/01/2012 12:51 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be dropped? I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy Miracle (if that is indeed the right name). No, you're not the only one. We discussed this at the time. We took a vote. Your side lost. Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:14:20 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: 1) Ticket history reveals that there has been a very quick response by davej: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_activity.cgi?id=843826 So, your bug report has not been ignored, albeit reassigned to a different component without any comment. Hot potatoe... yes, but xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.1-1.fc17.x86_64 works fine with kernels before 3.5 and the hardware i use in the bugreport is not exotic Let's not talk past eachother. I didn't claim there was no bug. Only davej could tell why a 3.5.0 kernel test-update has been offered inspite of this early-warning bug report. All I understand is that the Fedora test-update process does not guarantee that the update -- if pushed to stable -- will be free of bugs and free of regression for everyone. It will need some project policies to determine whether a single user's bug report could block an update, or whether maintainers are permitted to overrule bug reporters = sometimes trade-off decisions are necessary. Current testing only scratches the surface. It could be that 3.5.0 fixes many more issues than it causes regression. In retrospect, I cannot tell whether davej should not have submitted 3.5.0-2.fc17 as a test update three days later, knowing that 3.5.0-1.fc17 causes problems. It looks like there is disagreement about the problem you've reported. but the problem is there Repeating that again and again is nothing else than going in circles. Sure, this problem affects you personally. However, more interesting is to figure out what has gone wrong related to the bug report and how to avoid failures like that in the future (e.g. with a more restrictive update policy and disabled karma automatism in bodhi for some packages). Humans make mistakes. It can happen that if a bug report is not clear and concise, its impact is not recognized. -- Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle) - Linux 3.5.0-2.fc17.x86_64 loadavg: 0.07 0.07 0.09 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On 08/03/2012 03:26 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3) versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't have it in their cache? By default, yum keeps the most recent 3 kernels installed. How often do you think users need to downgrade past that? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 10:34 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work for anyone under evolution? I'm not quite sure. I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam installed. I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting plugin. The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine? And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons. Ah. The answer is, yes. It works on my Exchange EWS account and on my POP3 account. For some definition of works. Some junk is not caught and some non-junk is caught. There is no junk in my Gmail account, but I don't get much spam there. To turn it on for an account, Edit - Preferences - Mail Accounts - select account - Edit - Receiving Options, then check Check new messages for junk contents. My POP account doesn't offer a junk filter option, so that might be happening at the host. Also configure global junk processing in Edit - Preferences - Mail Preferences - Junk. I still can't get spam reporting working, but I suppose that's another thread. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 14:37 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 10:34 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work for anyone under evolution? I'm not quite sure. I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam installed. I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting plugin. The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine? And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons. Ah. The answer is, yes. It works on my Exchange EWS account and on my POP3 account. For some definition of works. Some junk is not caught and some non-junk is caught. There is no junk in my Gmail account, but I don't get much spam there. To turn it on for an account, Edit - Preferences - Mail Accounts - select account - Edit - Receiving Options, then check Check new messages for junk contents. My POP account doesn't offer a junk filter option, so that might be happening at the host. Also configure global junk processing in Edit - Preferences - Mail Preferences - Junk. I still can't get spam reporting working, but I suppose that's another thread. Except the option Check new messages for Junk is under thew Junk tab of Mail Preference. In my case no messages are sent to the Junk folder automatically. -- === Ummm, well, OK. The network's the network, the computer's the computer. Sorry for the confusion. -- Sun Microsystems === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
how to run install from tty/command line?
When I boot from the fc17 install DVD, I am not able to get the installer to run in gui or text mode. But I can log in as root by hitting ctl-alt-f3. Is there a way to run the installer from there? mahalo, TDB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On 3 August 2012 19:14, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 08/03/2012 03:26 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3) versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't have it in their cache? By default, yum keeps the most recent 3 kernels installed. How often do you think users need to downgrade past that? But not the kernel headers, or indeed any other package. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to run install from tty/command line?
i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked great... On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Dave Burns tbu...@hawaii.edu wrote: When I boot from the fc17 install DVD, I am not able to get the installer to run in gui or text mode. But I can log in as root by hitting ctl-alt-f3. Is there a way to run the installer from there? mahalo, TDB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
On 08/03/2012 01:09 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 3 August 2012 19:14, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 08/03/2012 03:26 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3) versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't have it in their cache? By default, yum keeps the most recent 3 kernels installed. How often do you think users need to downgrade past that? But not the kernel headers, or indeed any other package. I was under the impression that they were kept until the kernel they applied to was removed. And, as I understand it, the headers for each kernel are kept in a separate directory named after the version. If they're not kept (and my understanding of their location is correct) then you should be able to get them back if needed, without downgrading the kernel. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to run install from tty/command line?
Thanks for your response. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com wrote: i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked great... I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my question is, can I continue installing from the tty? In case its still not clear, here's what I did: * I put in the disk and boot. * see bios screen * see fedora 17 screen * hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success * screen displays analog input cannot display this video mode (maybe x or gconfd is starting?) * I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password. * I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant. all about fc3, fc7. * narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits * write desperate emails to fedora users list I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3) reboot start installer in text mode. I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I need to type in to the prompt? Anyhow, thumb drive seems unlikely to help. Thanks anyhow. TDB On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Dave Burns tbu...@hawaii.edu wrote: When I boot from the fc17 install DVD, I am not able to get the installer to run in gui or text mode. But I can log in as root by hitting ctl-alt-f3. Is there a way to run the installer from there? mahalo, TDB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Q: Why should this email be 5 sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es IPRC-help FAQ: https://docs.google.com/a/hawaii.edu/document/d/1RAeijiOXg2BxFuQ_tJejljH9r5GdNDc0DktI9k1j0jU/edit -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to run install from tty/command line?
On 08/03/2012 01:46 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive:: Thanks for your response. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com wrote: i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked great... I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my question is, can I continue installing from the tty? In case its still not clear, here's what I did: * I put in the disk and boot. * see bios screen * see fedora 17 screen * hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success * screen displays analog input cannot display this video mode (maybe x or gconfd is starting?) That's usually your monitor being unable to handle the signal being sent by the video card. My guess is that the video card is fine but your monitor can't handle the resolution being decided. * I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password. * I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant. all about fc3, fc7. * narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits * write desperate emails to fedora users list I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3) reboot start installer in text mode. I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I need to type in to the prompt? When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted after booting the DVD, hit the ENTER key, wait a couple of seconds and hit the escape key. You should be presented with a boot: prompt at which you can enter linux text. Or you can try with a lower resolution screen by using linux resolution=1024x768 or something. Try looking at this link: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Installation_Guide/ap-admin-options.html -- -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained.- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to run install from tty/command line?
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote: On 08/03/2012 01:46 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive:: Thanks for your response. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com wrote: i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked great... I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my question is, can I continue installing from the tty? In case its still not clear, here's what I did: * I put in the disk and boot. * see bios screen * see fedora 17 screen * hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success * screen displays analog input cannot display this video mode (maybe x or gconfd is starting?) That's usually your monitor being unable to handle the signal being sent by the video card. My guess is that the video card is fine but your monitor can't handle the resolution being decided. Is there a way to tweak that from the command line? * I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password. * I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant. all about fc3, fc7. * narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits * write desperate emails to fedora users list I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3) reboot start installer in text mode. I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I need to type in to the prompt? When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted after booting the DVD, hit the ENTER key, wait a couple of seconds and hit the escape key. You should be presented with a boot: prompt Output is: Aborted. boot: at which you can enter linux text. At that point it replies Could not find kernel image: linux. What? TDB Or you can try with a lower resolution screen by using linux resolution=1024x768 or something. Try looking at this link: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Installation_Guide/ap-admin-options.html -- -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained.- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Q: Why should this email be 5 sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es IPRC-help FAQ: https://docs.google.com/a/hawaii.edu/document/d/1RAeijiOXg2BxFuQ_tJejljH9r5GdNDc0DktI9k1j0jU/edit -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
Joe Zeff wrote: I was under the impression that they were kept until the kernel they applied to was removed. And, as I understand it, the headers for each kernel are kept in a separate directory named after the version. If they're not kept (and my understanding of their location is correct) then you should be able to get them back if needed, without downgrading the kernel. kernel-headers != kernel-devel The kernel-headers package is for GLIBC usage and contains header files located in /usr/include. Please see rpm -ql kernel-headers output. You only have this package installed if you installed glibc-devel and only installed glibc-devel if you are compiling software. This is not installed as part of a default Fedora install. Only one kernel-headers package is maintained on your system. The kernel-devel package is for compiling kernel modules and indeed these development files are in kernel version specific directory names. You will have a matching kernel-devel package for each kernel package installed if you have installed kernel-devel. Like kernel-headers kernel-devel must be manually installed by the user. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to run install from tty/command line?
On 08/03/2012 02:15 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive:: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote: On 08/03/2012 01:46 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive:: Thanks for your response. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com wrote: i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked great... I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my question is, can I continue installing from the tty? In case its still not clear, here's what I did: * I put in the disk and boot. * see bios screen * see fedora 17 screen * hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success * screen displays analog input cannot display this video mode (maybe x or gconfd is starting?) That's usually your monitor being unable to handle the signal being sent by the video card. My guess is that the video card is fine but your monitor can't handle the resolution being decided. Is there a way to tweak that from the command line? * I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password. * I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant. all about fc3, fc7. * narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits * write desperate emails to fedora users list I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3) reboot start installer in text mode. I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I need to type in to the prompt? When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted after booting the DVD, hit the ENTER key, wait a couple of seconds and hit the escape key. You should be presented with a boot: prompt Output is: Aborted. boot: at which you can enter linux text. At that point it replies Could not find kernel image: linux. What? Ok, so either just enter text or try booting the DVD again. When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted, hit the TAB key. When the command line displays, add text to the end and hit the ENTER key. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - I don't get mad and I don't get even. I get ahead!- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Finding old kernel RPMs
I'm trying to track down kernel versions that caused a few regressions on my servers. A recent one is somewhere between 3.4.2-1.fc16 and 3.4.6-1.fc16, and another one somewhere between 2.6.38.6-26.rc1.fc15 and 2.6.43.8-1.fc15 Is there a place where I can see a list of Fedora's kernel revisions, or better yet - be able to download them to try them out? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gnome 3 extensions
On 2012-08-03 01:00, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:15:59 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: On 2012-08-02 22:12, Germán A. Racca wrote: On 08/02/2012 04:16 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, I have 3 machines: 1) Fedora 16 i686 2) Fedora 16 x86_64 3) Fedora 17 x86_64 All forced fallback mode ON Do you mean that you aren't using gnome-shell but classical fallback mode? If the answer is yes, how can you speak about extensions? Those are for gnome-shell! I run Forced Fallback Mode ON on the 3 machines, and on one I get the gnome extensions! Are you sure you're not confusing applets with extensions? # yum list gnome-applet\* ... Bravissimo, Correct, I do not need any extension, gnome-applet is fine. Before, ie before fedora 15, if was by default. Thank, -- Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle) - Linux 3.4.6-2.fc17.x86_64 loadavg: 0.02 0.24 0.40 -- == Patrick DUPRÉ| | email: pdu...@kegtux.org == -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Finding old kernel RPMs
Am 04.08.2012 00:42, schrieb Konstantin Svist: I'm trying to track down kernel versions that caused a few regressions on my servers. A recent one is somewhere between 3.4.2-1.fc16 and 3.4.6-1.fc16, and another one somewhere between 2.6.38.6-26.rc1.fc15 and 2.6.43.8-1.fc15 Is there a place where I can see a list of Fedora's kernel revisions, or better yet - be able to download them to try them out? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
Am 03.08.2012 14:54, schrieb Heinz Diehl: On 03.08.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: adn yes i installed the first 3.5 MINUTES after it was built on koji on a for me very important machine An important machine should only be updated (stable or not - whatever) with a complete and functional backup prior to updating. New code doesn't only contain improvements, but introduces new bugs and flaws, too. please do not explain me my world :-) important for me is not important for customers if it goes down i take it to the office a make a dd-dump back my point was that i am testing many fedora-packages often long before updates-testing is seeing them and it doe snot help much if maintainers say hm bugreport, however i push to stable and YES the 3.5.x currently in F17 stable is a problem 3.4.7 for F16 is a security update so until someone knows what is going wrong in 3.5 the right decision would have been build 3.4.7 for F17 too instead psuh blindly 3.5 out - and after such decisions someone is wondering why people start ranting? __ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806548 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805317 2012-03-24 13:02:57 EDT 3.3.0-2.fc16 2012-05-03 12:00:53 EDT 3.3.4-3.fc17 nobody cared and fixed more than a month later 3.3.0 was a few days later pushedto stable repos __ i have ALWAYS backups of all important things by having each machine twice on different locations and sychronous and after 15 years in this business, the last 4 running over 20 production servers on Fedora doing all dist-upgrades from F9-F16 on them and having not lost any bit of data in my life it seems that i know waht i am doing :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure
Am 03.08.2012 16:02, schrieb Michael Schwendt: On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:46:41 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.08.2012 12:38, schrieb Michael Schwendt: On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3) versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't have it in their cache? IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from updates-testing early and more often. this does not help anything if there are fatal bugs reported which stops boot like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843826 and ignored in a way that since yesterday kernel 3.5 is in stable repos for F17 1) Ticket history reveals that there has been a very quick response by davej: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_activity.cgi?id=843826 So, your bug report has not been ignored, albeit reassigned to a different component without any comment. Hot potatoe... yes, but xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.1-1.fc17.x86_64 works fine with kernels before 3.5 and the hardware i use in the bugreport is not exotic In retrospect, I cannot tell whether davej should not have submitted 3.5.0-2.fc17 as a test update three days later, knowing that 3.5.0-1.fc17 causes problems. It looks like there is disagreement about the problem you've reported. but the problem is there i have TWO of this machines, both doe snot boot until nomodeset as kernel-param with 3.5 which results in something like 800x600 resultion on a 25 LED what makes it impossible for me to do anything after some medical operations on my eyes, even no debug This particular kernel is also an example of a karma fight within bodhi, with several testers ignoring the guidelines, unfortunately: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Update_feedback_guidelines#Previously_reported_bugs They voted +1, compensating previous -1 votes. :-( and this is unacceptable behavior if every koji build would give a link to the karma page it would be easier to give bad carma, but as long this is not easy possible it has to be enough that i test a koji-build long before it reaches updates-testing and report a bug to prevent make it to stable holy hell it is even not possible to give bad karma with fedoa-easy-karma in the state i reported the bug ___ i had installed on both of my machines any kernel-update since F14 partly ones which never did reach stable from koji after that having one which does not bot at atll, report it and become the yum-response below shot time after is a bad joke 3.4 is not EOL proven by the 3.4.7 update for F16 in updates-testing i even rolled out to production machines last night after internal tests because it has a security-flag so the way to go after get a report 3.5.x F17 does not boot on standard intel-hardware the way to go is hold back 3.5 for F167 stable and update F17 to 3.4.7 for now = Package ArchVersion Repository Größe = Installieren: kernel x86_64 3.5.0-2.fc17 updates 26 M kernel-develx86_64 3.5.0-2.fc17 updates 7.5 M Aktualisieren: kernel-headers x86_64 3.5.0-2.fc17 updates 846 k Vorgangsübersicht = Installieren 2 Packages Upgrade 1 Package Gesamte Downloadgröße: 34 M Ist dies in Ordnung? [j/N] :n signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to run install from tty/command line?
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote: On 08/03/2012 02:15 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive:: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote: On 08/03/2012 01:46 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive:: Thanks for your response. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com wrote: i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked great... I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my question is, can I continue installing from the tty? In case its still not clear, here's what I did: * I put in the disk and boot. * see bios screen * see fedora 17 screen * hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success * screen displays analog input cannot display this video mode (maybe x or gconfd is starting?) That's usually your monitor being unable to handle the signal being sent by the video card. My guess is that the video card is fine but your monitor can't handle the resolution being decided. Is there a way to tweak that from the command line? * I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password. * I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant. all about fc3, fc7. * narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits * write desperate emails to fedora users list I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3) reboot start installer in text mode. I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I need to type in to the prompt? When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted after booting the DVD, hit the ENTER key, wait a couple of seconds and hit the escape key. You should be presented with a boot: prompt Output is: Aborted. boot: at which you can enter linux text. At that point it replies Could not find kernel image: linux. What? Ok, so either just enter text or try booting the DVD again. When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted, hit the TAB key. When the command line displays, add text to the end and hit the ENTER key. It responds the same as if I had not typed 'text' at the end of the line. It starts many services, last one is display manager, then full screen error message reports analog input cannot display this video mode. This is one of the first things I tried (and I tried it again just now to be sure). TDB -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - I don't get mad and I don't get even. I get ahead!- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Q: Why should this email be 5 sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es IPRC-help FAQ: https://docs.google.com/a/hawaii.edu/document/d/1RAeijiOXg2BxFuQ_tJejljH9r5GdNDc0DktI9k1j0jU/edit -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Linux or GNU/Linux
This is all IMHO... Linux is the kernel. GNU is a project to create a Free operating system, which has created such components as glibc, gcc, emacs, gdb, etc. GNU/Linux is a combination of the two - any Linux-based operating system that uses the GNU components. There are other GNU-based operating systems using other kernels, such as GNU/Hurd. Fedora is a Linux-based distro that happens to include the GNU components but also includes components from many other projects. Most Linux-based distros (Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, etc) are supersets of GNU/Linux - they use the Linux kernel and contain the GNU project components, but also contain many other (possibly non-Free) components. While it's technically true to call such distros GNU/Linux, such a label ignores a large portion of the origin and richness of those distros. It would be like calling the USA the country that contains Boston. Also, outside of myself, in my house we call such distros Firefox ;-) Some operating systems do not use the GNU components yet are still Linux-based, such as (I think) Android and certain special-purpose embedded systems. It is possible, for example, to build Newlib for Linux, and have a Newlib/Linux system. So, IMHO, the answer to your question is It depends on what you're talking about, and why. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 15:08 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 14:37 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 10:34 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work for anyone under evolution? I'm not quite sure. I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam installed. I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting plugin. The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine? And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons. Ah. The answer is, yes. It works on my Exchange EWS account and on my POP3 account. For some definition of works. Some junk is not caught and some non-junk is caught. There is no junk in my Gmail account, but I don't get much spam there. To turn it on for an account, Edit - Preferences - Mail Accounts - select account - Edit - Receiving Options, then check Check new messages for junk contents. My POP account doesn't offer a junk filter option, so that might be happening at the host. Also configure global junk processing in Edit - Preferences - Mail Preferences - Junk. I still can't get spam reporting working, but I suppose that's another thread. Except the option Check new messages for Junk is under thew Junk tab of Mail Preference. Yes, there, too. But also there's a setting in each account (other than POP, apparently). In my case no messages are sent to the Junk folder automatically. Just to make sure, do you have the spamassassin and evolution-spamassassin RPMs installed? -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Linux or GNU/Linux
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:39 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: While it's technically true to call such distros GNU/Linux, such a label ignores a large portion of the origin and richness of those distros. It would be like calling the USA the country that contains Boston. Also, outside of myself, in my house we call such distros Firefox ;-) I Think there's a misunderstanding between the OS and Distro in this argument. and of course there's gonna be so much more debate on what a OS really is. (Bill Gates may appeal his conviction if everyone agree that every piece of applications for example browser is part of a superset named OS) So, IMHO, the answer to your question is It depends on what you're talking about, and why. in my opinion Linux couldn't and still cannot exist without certain parts of gnu project including software and licenses, especially gcc, glibc, gpl and lgpl. and that's true for android too, unless it uses kernel header's without gpl licensing instead of glibc. i don't mind any naming convention as long as it doesn't underestimate the whole parts of concept. but if calling a linux operating system Linux means: Linux-based distro that happens to include the GNU components but also includes components from many other projects. I prefer not to use the word, because it doesn't concerns some obligations (like gpl) and some involuntary constraints (like gcc) fedora uses a GNU/Linux OS, and it's a GNU/Linux or linux distro, and android IS not a GNU/Linux distro because despite the fact that it contains Linux, it is not obligated to gnu general public license. -- Shahab Shahsavari Alavidjeh - شهاب شهسواری علویجه ـ Weblog: http://piamak.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/zzgraph -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
