[389-users] MMR issue

2012-08-03 Thread Reinhard Nappert
Hi,

I have the following 389 DS version deployed:  389-Directory/1.2.8.2 
B2011.130.190

I have a 3 box multi-master replication setup in a ring:


  \ /\ /   \ /   \ /  \ 
/
   ...   C   -   A-B   -  C   - A ...
  /  \   /  \  /  \ /  \ /  
\

The replication agreements for A and C and for B and C work fine, but I 
have an issue for the agreements for the A and B connection.

I see the following in the errors file:

Server A:
[19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=7835 op=160267 
repl=o=base: Begin incremental protocol
[19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] - csngen_adjust_time: gen state before 
5007e161:1342693727:0:2
[19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state before 
5007e161:1342693727:0:2
[19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state after 
5007e164:1342693730:0:2
[19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=7835 op=160267 
repl=o=BASE: Replica in use locking_purl=conn=7831 id=3
[19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=7835 op=160267 
replica=o=BASE: Unable to acquire replica: error: replica busy locked by 
conn=7831 id=3 for incremental update
[19/Jul/2012:07:28:50 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=7835 op=160267 
repl=o=umc: StartNSDS90ReplicationRequest: response=1 rc=0

This kind of error is logged in an interval of about 1 second, where the 
local_time differs 5007e161:1342693727:0:2


Server B:
[19/Jul/2012:13:28:48 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): 
Unable to receive the response for a startReplication extended operation to 
consumer (Timed out). Will retry later.
[19/Jul/2012:13:34:17 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): 
Unable to receive the response for a startReplication extended operation to 
consumer (Can't contact LDAP server). Will retry later.
[19/Jul/2012:13:44:25 -0300] slapi_ldap_bind - Error: timeout after [0.0] 
seconds reading bind response for [cn=replication,cn=config] mech [SIMPLE]
[19/Jul/2012:13:44:25 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): 
Replication bind with SIMPLE auth failed: LDAP error 85 (Timed out) ((null))
[19/Jul/2012:13:44:25 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): 
Replication bind with SIMPLE auth resumed

Sometimes, I also see the following error
[20/Jul/2012:11:28:39 -0300] slapi_ldap_bind - Error: could not send bind 
request for id [cn= replication,cn=config] mech [SIMPLE]: error 91 (Can't 
connect to the LDAP server) -5961 (TCP connection reset by peer.) 115 
(Operation now in progress)
[20/Jul/2012:11:28:39 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): 
Replication bind with SIMPLE auth failed: LDAP error 91 (Can't connect to the 
LDAP server) ((null))
[20/Jul/2012:11:30:30 -0300] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt=cn=A-to-B (A:389): 
Replication bind with SIMPLE auth resumed

I don't see any indication that Server B was down at that time.

I did see the Bug 571677 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571677), 
but there was no deletion of a replicaconflict object.

Did anybody encounter this kind of issue? The next question would be: How to 
recover the MMR environment.

Thanks,
-Reinhard



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Re: [389-users] what is the best way to a new user and put him in to few groups?

2012-08-03 Thread Paul Robert Marino
well that really depends on what you are comfortable doing as far as code
an ldif piped the the ldap modify command is probably the easiest to
write however you could make something far more robust with the
NET::LDAP Perl module.
The one bad note about the Net::Ldap Perl module is it tends to take a
lot of lines of code to implement things that should be rather simple.
On the bright side there are a ton of other tools for 389 server that
were written using the module so there is a lot of examples and
experienced programers you can draw on for assistance.


On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Fosiul Alam fos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi
 I am very new in ldap(Fedora Directory Server)

 I need to develop a script to add a new user and put it into few
 groups automatically.

 So wondering what would be best way .
 Putting the command in to a script should not be a issue.
 problem is what would be the best way

 shall i create ldiif first then insert that ldif into ldap ??

 my structure is like this :
 cn=Directory Manager -w 'testtest' -b ou=users,l=uk,dc=fosiul,dc=lan

 suppose if i want to create a lidif.. for user John Smith

 how the ldif would be ?
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Re: [389-users] what is the best way to a new user and put him in to few groups?

2012-08-03 Thread Fosiul Alam
Hi thanks

I m thinking to use simple bash script to create a ldif file.
I think that canbe done .. But could you please tell me what would be the 
structure of ldif file , suppose if i want to create a user call john smith 
under bellow structure
 ou=users,l=uk,dc=fosiul,dc=lan

Thanks



On 4 Aug 2012, at 00:01, Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote:

 ou=users,l=uk,dc=fosiul,dc=lan
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Re: Linux or GNU/Linux

2012-08-03 Thread Jatin K

On 08/03/2012 11:29 AM, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus wrote:
Well I think the doubt in fact is about the correct way for call this 
Operating System (OS). I think the political correct way for it must 
be gnu/linux because historically it was the way as this OS was 
completed and worked. We are talking about the firsts years of the 
90's. Nowadays this OS family has grown a lot. It's like a huge tree 
growing more and more every year.


But the most of people use to call them simply linux. It isn't wrong, 
but linux is in fact, as someone said before, just the kernel, not the 
whole operative system. And well, I think it's sufficiently explained.


Cheers




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kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Ed Greshko
Today the kernel was updated to 3.5.0-2.  However, this has caused a breakage 
in compiling the VirtualBox Guest Additions.

So, I wanted to go back to 3.4.6-2 and downgrade kernel-headers.

I was under the impression that yum downgrade would result in going back on 
version.   But, the downgrade resulted in installing kernel-headers-3.3.4-5 and 
I could not find the kernel-headers-3.4.6-2 package anywhere.

I don't think this is normal but don't know the best wait to report the 
problem.  Of course I'll report the breakage in 3.5.0-2 but how about the 
missing kernel-headers-3.4.6-2 ?

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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Frank Murphy

On 03/08/12 07:27, Ed Greshko wrote:

Today the kernel was updated to 3.5.0-2.  However, this has caused a breakage 
in compiling the VirtualBox Guest Additions.

So, I wanted to go back to 3.4.6-2 and downgrade kernel-headers.

I was under the impression that yum downgrade would result in going back on 
version.


http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=333970

Handy to bookmark:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/

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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/03/2012 02:32 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
 On 03/08/12 07:27, Ed Greshko wrote:
 Today the kernel was updated to 3.5.0-2.  However, this has caused a 
 breakage in compiling the VirtualBox Guest Additions.

 So, I wanted to go back to 3.4.6-2 and downgrade kernel-headers.

 I was under the impression that yum downgrade would result in going back 
 on version.

 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=333970

 Handy to bookmark:
 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/


Thanks Frank  At least I can download 3.4.6-2 now...  But, I still wonder 
why the downgrade skips over it  ?

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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:36:32 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

 On 08/03/2012 02:32 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
  On 03/08/12 07:27, Ed Greshko wrote:
  Today the kernel was updated to 3.5.0-2.  However, this has caused a 
  breakage in compiling the VirtualBox Guest Additions.
 
  So, I wanted to go back to 3.4.6-2 and downgrade kernel-headers.
 
  I was under the impression that yum downgrade would result in going back 
  on version.
 
  http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=333970
 
  Handy to bookmark:
  http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/
 
 
 Thanks Frank  At least I can download 3.4.6-2 now...  But, I still wonder 
 why the downgrade skips over it  ?
 

It isn't available in the repo(s) anymore.
3.5.0-2 has replaced 3.4.6-2 in the updates repo.

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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Andre Robatino
The 3.5.0 breakage is already reported, it's supposed to be fixed in the next
VirtualBox release. Now that it's affecting F17 and not just Rawhide, hopefully
that will be expedited.

https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/10709

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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/03/2012 04:39 PM, Andre Robatino wrote:
 The 3.5.0 breakage is already reported, it's supposed to be fixed in the next
 VirtualBox release. Now that it's affecting F17 and not just Rawhide, 
 hopefully
 that will be expedited.

 https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/10709

Yes, I did find that an implemented the workaround.'

I was more curious about the downgrade issue.having never tried it before.  
Seems as if downgrade doesn't really mean what it says in man yum since the 
repos only contain the latest update to a package in the updates repo and the 
initial release package in the release repo.




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How to install language-packs after installation?

2012-08-03 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi,

I currently try to install german langpacks to a fresh F17, but - even
if this should be a really simple task - failed so far:
- system-config-language relies on a feature no longer present, to
install language-packages
- yum langpacks plugin only applies, when installing new packages

Is there any way to tell the yum langpacks plugin to fetch language
packages for already installed RPMs?
Or is there maybe an easier way to add support for an additional
language after installation?

Thank you in advance, Clemens
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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Frank Murphy

On 03/08/12 09:48, Ed Greshko wrote:



I was more curious about the downgrade issue.having never tried it before.  Seems as if downgrade 
doesn't really mean what it says in man yum since the repos only contain the latest update to a package in 
the updates repo and the initial release package in the release repo.



I find a local.repo a very handy solution (yum-plugin-local) ,
used in conjunction with a script to keep only relevant rpms.


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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 04:48:13PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
 
 I was more curious about the downgrade issue.having never tried it
 before.  Seems as if downgrade doesn't really mean what it says in
 man yum since the repos only contain the latest update to a package
 in the updates repo and the initial release package in the release
 repo.
 

As I understand it, downgrade still requires the original rpm. So it
first looks in the local yum cache, if not available looks for it on the
repo.

That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3)
versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't
have it in their cache?

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Re: How to install language-packs after installation?

2012-08-03 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/03/2012 04:50 PM, Clemens Eisserer wrote:
 I currently try to install german langpacks to a fresh F17, but - even
 if this should be a really simple task - failed so far:
 - system-config-language relies on a feature no longer present, to
 install language-packages
 - yum langpacks plugin only applies, when installing new packages

 Is there any way to tell the yum langpacks plugin to fetch language
 packages for already installed RPMs?
 Or is there maybe an easier way to add support for an additional
 language after installation?

I have a freshly installed F17 system with both GNOME and KDE installed.

If I run system-config-language it brings up a selection of languages if I 
choose German it tells me the selection honored on my next login. 

If I login under GNOME it get LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 as an environment variable, the 
menus and such are in German and I'm prompted if I want to change the names of 
the default folders

In KDE the environment variable is change, the language is not changed in the 
displays.  To fix KDE one needs to install kde-l10n-German.

Mine is a fresh F17 install.  When installing I only added Japanese, Korean, 
Simplified and Traditional Chinese.

 


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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:

 That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3)
 versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't
 have it in their cache?

IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from
updates-testing early and more often.

Individual users may keep copies of installed packages, e.g. via
yum-plugin-local or by saving Yum cache contents, but evaluating
updates-testing should be the primary way to check new updates for
bugs.

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Re: Linux or GNU/Linux

2012-08-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Gordon Messmer wrote:

 GNU the project provides a collection of Free
 Software, but GNU the operating system existed before Linux.

Did you run this operating system?

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Re: Linux or GNU/Linux

2012-08-03 Thread Hakan Koseoglu
On 3 August 2012 12:29, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote:

 Gordon Messmer wrote:

  GNU the project provides a collection of Free
  Software, but GNU the operating system existed before Linux.

 Did you run this operating system?

Although I hate people calling Linux GNU/Linux... See the history of Hurd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd#Development_history
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Re: Linux or GNU/Linux

2012-08-03 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 09:05:51PM -0700--Gordon 
Messmer (yiny...@eburg.com) said:
 That's a load of hooey.  GNU the project provides a collection of
 Free Software, but GNU the operating system existed before Linux.
 The goal was an implementation of the POSIX operating system
 specification.

With all due respect, nonsense.  Richard wanted a full reimplementation
of Unix, including the kernel.  He was quite successful at getting
volunteers to carry out the implementation of commands, libraries,
etc.--I know, I did 'cut'  'paste'.

However, the kernel was far less successful.  Despite the claims
of superior architecture, Hurd has never caught on; almost every
implementation you'll run into (I'd say 'every', but someone would come
up with John Drutin's Distro as a counter-example) uses the Linux kernel
and GNU libraries and utilities.  Read the Wikipedia article on GNU Hurd.

Richard Stallman wants people to acknowledge the contribution GNU has made
to the success of the Linux distributions by refering to them collectively
as GNU/Linux.  People tend to go for the shortest term that conveys a
meaning, so the vast majority of people simply call it Linux, and those
who know understand that the GNU utilities, commands, and libraries are
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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 12:38:13PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
 On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 
  That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3)
  versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't
  have it in their cache?
 
 IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from
 updates-testing early and more often.
 
 Individual users may keep copies of installed packages, e.g. via
 yum-plugin-local or by saving Yum cache contents, but evaluating
 updates-testing should be the primary way to check new updates for
 bugs.
 

Well the comment about trying packages from updates-testing is always
true.  I often try to do that, but sometimes it is not possible because
you might want to have an extremely reliable system for a couple of
months or so.  You hold off updates that require reboots or logouts and
soon your local cache is outdated, and a future downgrade fails.

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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 03.08.2012 12:38, schrieb Michael Schwendt:
 On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 
 That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3)
 versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't
 have it in their cache?
 
 IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from
 updates-testing early and more often.

this does not help anything if there are fatal bugs reported which
stops boot like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843826
and ignored in a way that since yesterday kernel 3.5 is in stable
repos for F17

adn yes i installed the first 3.5 MINUTES after it was built on
koji on a for me very important machine and reported the bug



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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 03.08.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: 

 adn yes i installed the first 3.5 MINUTES after it was built on
 koji on a for me very important machine

An important machine should only be updated (stable or not - whatever)
with a complete and functional backup prior to updating. New code
doesn't only contain improvements, but introduces new bugs and
flaws, too.

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Re: enabliing junk mail in evolution

2012-08-03 Thread Mark C. Allman

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On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 20:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 12:22 -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote:
  
  On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 11:12 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
   I have ben using junk mail processing in evolution since it appeared in
   RedHat and/or Fedora Linux. I have never before been unable to enable
   junk mail processing. But now in F17 it is not working for me. Below are
   the instructions from the evolution help  to enable Junk mail
   processing.
   But when I right click on a message there is no Junk Mail Settings
   option. Any ideas out there other than ask the evolution list which I
   will do if I get frustrated enough?
   
   Enabling or Disabling Your Junk Mail List
1. Right-click on a message and select the Junk Mail
   Settingsoption.
   
2. Specify whether you wish to Enable or Disable junk mail
   handling.
   
3. Click on the OK button.
   
   
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  Junk mail setting are set mail account by mail account.  Go to
  Edit/Preferences and edit each account listed in the Mail Accounts
  section.  It's on the Receiving Options tab when you select and
  account and click edit.
  
  When I right-click on a mail messages I can mark it as spam but that's
  it (for spam, that is).  I don't recall ever seeing where I can adjust
  settings from there.  It may have been there and I just never noticed.
  I don't see it now.
 No spam is controlled under prefernces - Mail Preferences - Junk
 
 But does not work. Does it work for anyone out there?
 
 
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Each mail account has a junk setting under the Receiving Options tab.
The option reads Check new messages for junk contents.  It's near the
bottom.  I have it working.

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Firefox install-problem

2012-08-03 Thread Heinz Diehl
Hi,

Firefox, built from .srpm from F17-updates repository, fails to install:
This is the error-message which shows up:

Unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox;501bceec: cpio: 
Digest mismatch

The package is original Fedora and not altered in any way. Extracted
it, ran rpmbuild -bb on the .spec file, and the built was ok.

Does anybody know what's the cause or where to look?

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Re: Linux or GNU/Linux

2012-08-03 Thread Alan Cox
 However, the kernel was far less successful.  Despite the claims
 of superior architecture, Hurd has never caught on; almost every
 implementation you'll run into (I'd say 'every', but someone would come
 up with John Drutin's Distro as a counter-example) uses the Linux kernel
 and GNU libraries and utilities.  Read the Wikipedia article on GNU Hurd.

To be fair to the FSF there is often a perception that the FSF screwed up
here. In a sense yes they made some wrong decisions, and then very
stupidly were insulting and hostile to the Linux authors but there is a
background that makes more sense.

When the GNU OS concept started the idea that everyone would have a Unix
capable system on their desk was pretty hard to imagine. The choice of a
Mach based microkernel was both in keeping with a lot of the research of
the time and also had a social element. The vision was a machine where
any user could for example implement their own personal file system
without interfering with other users. Viewed in the modern PC world that
sounds loopy but on a shared multi-user computer it was an important
aspect of software freedom.

Sticking to Mach and being hostile to Linux wasn't very smart and a lot
of developers have not forgiven the FSF for that, which is one reason
they find the GNU/Linux label deeply insulting.

The other screw up was that they turned down the use of UZI, which would
have given them a working if basic v7 Unix equivalent OS years before
Linux was released. Had they done that Linux would never have happened
and probably the great Windows battle would have been much more
fascinating.

 Richard Stallman wants people to acknowledge the contribution GNU has made
 to the success of the Linux distributions by refering to them collectively
 as GNU/Linux.  People tend to go for the shortest term that conveys a
 meaning, so the vast majority of people simply call it Linux, and those
 who know understand that the GNU utilities, commands, and libraries are
 included.

In some cases - by code volume the FSF is not the biggest contributor,
even when you include (as they like to) all the third party code they
took and labelled GNU. In the case of the largest and most common Linux
distribution today there is almost no GNU code in it: Android.

Alan
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Re: enabliing junk mail in evolution

2012-08-03 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 08:57 -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote:
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 LinkedIn
 
 
 
 On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 20:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 12:22 -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote:
   
   On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 11:12 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
I have ben using junk mail processing in evolution since it appeared in
RedHat and/or Fedora Linux. I have never before been unable to enable
junk mail processing. But now in F17 it is not working for me. Below are
the instructions from the evolution help  to enable Junk mail
processing.
But when I right click on a message there is no Junk Mail Settings
option. Any ideas out there other than ask the evolution list which I
will do if I get frustrated enough?

Enabling or Disabling Your Junk Mail List
 1. Right-click on a message and select the Junk Mail
Settingsoption.

 2. Specify whether you wish to Enable or Disable junk mail
handling.

 3. Click on the OK button.


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I can't figure out what you are telling to do to get junk processing to
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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:46:41 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:

 
 
 Am 03.08.2012 12:38, schrieb Michael Schwendt:
  On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:
  
  That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3)
  versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't
  have it in their cache?
  
  IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from
  updates-testing early and more often.
 
 this does not help anything if there are fatal bugs reported which
 stops boot like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843826
 and ignored in a way that since yesterday kernel 3.5 is in stable
 repos for F17

1) Ticket history reveals that there has been a very quick response
by davej: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_activity.cgi?id=843826
So, your bug report has not been ignored, albeit reassigned to a
different component without any comment. Hot potatoe...

In retrospect, I cannot tell whether davej should not have submitted
3.5.0-2.fc17 as a test update three days later, knowing that 3.5.0-1.fc17
causes problems. It looks like there is disagreement about the problem
you've reported.

2) You could have left negative karma on the test-update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-11323/kernel-3.5.0-2.fc17
 
3) Nobody claims that the current way Fedora Testing is done, would
be bullet-proof. IMO, it's a known problem that some updates are rushed
out and should spend much more time in testing.

  bodhi - 2012-08-01 18:25:37
  This update has been pushed to testing
  bodhi - 2012-08-01 21:44:56
  This update has reached the stable karma threshold and
  will be pushed to the stable updates repository 

This is ridiculous! One of Fedora's weak spots. :-(

This particular kernel is also an example of a karma fight within bodhi,
with several testers ignoring the guidelines, unfortunately:

  
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Update_feedback_guidelines#Previously_reported_bugs

They voted +1, compensating previous -1 votes. :-(

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Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?

2012-08-03 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 
From: 
 Matthew Saltzman
 m...@clemson.edu
Reply-to: 
 Community support
 for Fedora users
 users@lists.fedoraproject.org
  To: 
 Community support
 for Fedora users
 users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: 
 Re: Does
 Spamassassin junk
 processing work
 for anyone under
 evolution?
Date: 
 Thu, 2 Aug 2012
 21:23:44 -0400
 (08/02/2012
 08:23:44 PM)
 
 
 On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: 
  Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work
 for
  anyone under evolution?
 
 I'm not quite sure.  I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam
 installed.  I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting
 plugin.
 
The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end
up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine?
And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons.
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Re: Drawers for gnome 3.x

2012-08-03 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno mer, 01/08/2012 alle 14.03 -0700, Shawn Badger ha scritto:
 I am using the Connection Manager extension and have been very happy
 with it so far.
 
 https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/45/connection-manager/
 

Thanks Shawn, it's not the same thing of gnome2 drawers, but work

I have found also this extension:
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/37/quicklaunch/

but it's missing of some features:
 1. cannot manage folder or groups
 2. cannot delete or modify launcher
 3. cannot reorder launcher

I'd like to add these features to this extension, but unfortunately I'm
not a java (scripts) programmer, then I solved the 2 and 3 problems
simply by creating a launcher containing this command:

nautilus file:///home/myhome/.local/share/gnome-shell/quicklaunch

Hope this help

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Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?

2012-08-03 Thread Germán A. Racca

On 08/03/2012 11:34 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:


From:
Matthew Saltzman
m...@clemson.edu
Reply-to:
Community support
for Fedora users
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
  To:
Community support
for Fedora users
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject:
Re: Does
Spamassassin junk
processing work
for anyone under
evolution?
Date:
Thu, 2 Aug 2012
21:23:44 -0400
(08/02/2012
08:23:44 PM)


On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote:

Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work

for

anyone under evolution?


I'm not quite sure.  I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam
installed.  I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting
plugin.


The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end
up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine?
And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons.


Hi Aaron:

It doesn't work for me. I had to switch to bogofilter, see my post to 
this list about spamassassin:


http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2012-April/416366.html

Germán.

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Re: How to install language-packs after installation?

2012-08-03 Thread Jack Craig
when i pulled (by mistake) all the LIbreOffice pkgs via yum i got a ton of
different language support for aspell, etc.

not sure if it provides what you need, but fyi regardless...

HTH, ..

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Clemens Eisserer linuxhi...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I currently try to install german langpacks to a fresh F17, but - even
 if this should be a really simple task - failed so far:
 - system-config-language relies on a feature no longer present, to
 install language-packages
 - yum langpacks plugin only applies, when installing new packages

 Is there any way to tell the yum langpacks plugin to fetch language
 packages for already installed RPMs?
 Or is there maybe an easier way to add support for an additional
 language after installation?

 Thank you in advance, Clemens
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

2012-08-03 Thread Andrew Haley
On 08/01/2012 12:51 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be dropped?
 I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy Miracle
 (if that is indeed the right name).

No, you're not the only one.  We discussed this at the time.
We took a vote.  Your side lost.

Andrew.

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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:14:20 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:

  1) Ticket history reveals that there has been a very quick response
  by davej: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_activity.cgi?id=843826
  So, your bug report has not been ignored, albeit reassigned to a
  different component without any comment. Hot potatoe...
 
 yes, but xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.1-1.fc17.x86_64 works fine
 with kernels before 3.5 and the hardware i use in the bugreport
 is not exotic

Let's not talk past eachother. I didn't claim there was no bug.
Only davej could tell why a 3.5.0 kernel test-update has been offered
inspite of this early-warning bug report.

All I understand is that the Fedora test-update process does not guarantee
that the update -- if pushed to stable -- will be free of bugs and free
of regression for everyone.

It will need some project policies to determine whether a single user's
bug report could block an update, or whether maintainers are permitted
to overrule bug reporters = sometimes trade-off decisions are necessary.
Current testing only scratches the surface. It could be that 3.5.0 fixes
many more issues than it causes regression.

  In retrospect, I cannot tell whether davej should not have submitted
  3.5.0-2.fc17 as a test update three days later, knowing that 3.5.0-1.fc17
  causes problems. It looks like there is disagreement about the problem
  you've reported.
 
 but the problem is there

Repeating that again and again is nothing else than going in circles.
Sure, this problem affects you personally.
However, more interesting is to figure out what has gone wrong related
to the bug report and how to avoid failures like that in the future
(e.g. with a more restrictive update policy and disabled karma automatism
in bodhi for some packages). Humans make mistakes. It can happen that if
a bug report is not clear and concise, its impact is not recognized.

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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Joe Zeff

On 08/03/2012 03:26 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:

That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3)
versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't
have it in their cache?


By default, yum keeps the most recent 3 kernels installed.  How often do 
you think users need to downgrade past that?

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Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?

2012-08-03 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 10:34 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: 
 On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
  On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: 
   Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work
  for
   anyone under evolution?
  
  I'm not quite sure.  I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam
  installed.  I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting
  plugin.
  
 The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end
 up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine?
 And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons.

Ah.  The answer is, yes.  It works on my Exchange EWS account and on my
POP3 account.  For some definition of works.  Some junk is not caught
and some non-junk is caught.  There is no junk in my Gmail account, but
I don't get much spam there.

To turn it on for an account, Edit - Preferences - Mail Accounts -
select account - Edit - Receiving Options, then check Check new
messages for junk contents.  My POP account doesn't offer a junk filter
option, so that might be happening at the host.

Also configure global junk processing in Edit - Preferences - Mail
Preferences - Junk.

I still can't get spam reporting working, but I suppose that's another
thread.

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Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?

2012-08-03 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 14:37 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 10:34 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: 
  On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
   On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: 
Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work
   for
anyone under evolution?
   
   I'm not quite sure.  I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam
   installed.  I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting
   plugin.
   
  The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end
  up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine?
  And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons.
 
 Ah.  The answer is, yes.  It works on my Exchange EWS account and on my
 POP3 account.  For some definition of works.  Some junk is not caught
 and some non-junk is caught.  There is no junk in my Gmail account, but
 I don't get much spam there.
 
 To turn it on for an account, Edit - Preferences - Mail Accounts -
 select account - Edit - Receiving Options, then check Check new
 messages for junk contents.  My POP account doesn't offer a junk filter
 option, so that might be happening at the host.
 
 Also configure global junk processing in Edit - Preferences - Mail
 Preferences - Junk.
 
 I still can't get spam reporting working, but I suppose that's another
 thread.
Except the option Check new messages for Junk is under thew Junk tab
of Mail Preference. In my case no messages are sent to the Junk folder
automatically.
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how to run install from tty/command line?

2012-08-03 Thread Dave Burns
When I boot from the fc17 install DVD, I am not able to get the
installer to run in gui or text mode. But I can log in as root by
hitting ctl-alt-f3. Is there a way to run the installer from there?
mahalo,
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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 August 2012 19:14, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:
 On 08/03/2012 03:26 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:

 That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3)
 versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't
 have it in their cache?


 By default, yum keeps the most recent 3 kernels installed.  How often do you
 think users need to downgrade past that?


But not the kernel headers, or indeed any other package.

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Re: how to run install from tty/command line?

2012-08-03 Thread Jack Craig
i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked
great...

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Dave Burns tbu...@hawaii.edu wrote:

 When I boot from the fc17 install DVD, I am not able to get the
 installer to run in gui or text mode. But I can log in as root by
 hitting ctl-alt-f3. Is there a way to run the installer from there?
 mahalo,
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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Joe Zeff

On 08/03/2012 01:09 PM, Ian Malone wrote:

On 3 August 2012 19:14, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

On 08/03/2012 03:26 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:


That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3)
versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't
have it in their cache?



By default, yum keeps the most recent 3 kernels installed.  How often do you
think users need to downgrade past that?



But not the kernel headers, or indeed any other package.



I was under the impression that they were kept until the kernel they 
applied to was removed.  And, as I understand it, the headers for each 
kernel are kept in a separate directory named after the version.  If 
they're not kept (and my understanding of their location is correct) 
then you should be able to get them back if needed, without downgrading 
the kernel.

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Re: how to run install from tty/command line?

2012-08-03 Thread Dave Burns
Thanks for your response.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com wrote:
 i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked
 great...

I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb
drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be
that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old
thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The
installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my
question is, can I continue installing from the tty?

In case its still not clear, here's what I did:

* I put in the disk and boot.
* see bios screen
* see fedora 17 screen
* hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success
* screen displays  analog input cannot display this video mode
(maybe x or gconfd is starting?)
* I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password.
* I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant.
all about fc3, fc7.
* narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits
* write desperate emails to fedora users list

I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui
installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3)
reboot  start installer in text mode.

I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow
the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the
right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error
message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not
really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I
need to type in to the prompt?

Anyhow, thumb drive seems unlikely to help.
Thanks anyhow.

TDB


 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Dave Burns tbu...@hawaii.edu wrote:

 When I boot from the fc17 install DVD, I am not able to get the
 installer to run in gui or text mode. But I can log in as root by
 hitting ctl-alt-f3. Is there a way to run the installer from there?
 mahalo,
 TDB
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Re: how to run install from tty/command line?

2012-08-03 Thread Rick Stevens

On 08/03/2012 01:46 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive::

Thanks for your response.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com wrote:

i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked
great...


I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb
drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be
that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old
thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The
installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my
question is, can I continue installing from the tty?

In case its still not clear, here's what I did:

* I put in the disk and boot.
* see bios screen
* see fedora 17 screen
* hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success
* screen displays  analog input cannot display this video mode
(maybe x or gconfd is starting?)


That's usually your monitor being unable to handle the signal being sent
by the video card. My guess is that the video card is fine but your
monitor can't handle the resolution being decided.


* I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password.
* I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant.
all about fc3, fc7.
* narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits
* write desperate emails to fedora users list

I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui
installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3)
reboot  start installer in text mode.

I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow
the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the
right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error
message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not
really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I
need to type in to the prompt?


When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted after booting the
DVD, hit the ENTER key, wait a couple of seconds and hit the escape
key. You should be presented with a boot: prompt at which you can
enter linux text. Or you can try with a lower resolution screen by
using linux resolution=1024x768 or something. Try looking at this
link:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Installation_Guide/ap-admin-options.html

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Re: how to run install from tty/command line?

2012-08-03 Thread Dave Burns
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote:
 On 08/03/2012 01:46 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive::

 Thanks for your response.

 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked
 great...


 I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb
 drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be
 that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old
 thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The
 installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my
 question is, can I continue installing from the tty?

 In case its still not clear, here's what I did:

 * I put in the disk and boot.
 * see bios screen
 * see fedora 17 screen
 * hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success
 * screen displays  analog input cannot display this video mode
 (maybe x or gconfd is starting?)


 That's usually your monitor being unable to handle the signal being sent
 by the video card. My guess is that the video card is fine but your
 monitor can't handle the resolution being decided.

Is there a way to tweak that from the command line?



 * I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password.
 * I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant.
 all about fc3, fc7.
 * narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits
 * write desperate emails to fedora users list

 I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui
 installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3)
 reboot  start installer in text mode.

 I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow
 the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the
 right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error
 message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not
 really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I
 need to type in to the prompt?


 When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted after booting the
 DVD, hit the ENTER key, wait a couple of seconds and hit the escape
 key. You should be presented with a boot: prompt

Output is:
Aborted.
boot:

at which you can
 enter linux text.

At that point it replies Could not find kernel image: linux. What?
TDB

Or you can try with a lower resolution screen by
 using linux resolution=1024x768 or something. Try looking at this
 link:

 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Installation_Guide/ap-admin-options.html

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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Joe Zeff wrote:
 I was under the impression that they were kept until the kernel they
 applied to was removed.  And, as I understand it, the headers for each
 kernel are kept in a separate directory named after the version.  If
 they're not kept (and my understanding of their location is correct)
 then you should be able to get them back if needed, without downgrading
 the kernel.

kernel-headers != kernel-devel

The kernel-headers package is for GLIBC usage and contains header files
located in /usr/include. Please see rpm -ql kernel-headers output. You
only have this package installed if you installed glibc-devel and only
installed glibc-devel if you are compiling software. This is not
installed as part of a default Fedora install. Only one kernel-headers
package is maintained on your system.

The kernel-devel package is for compiling kernel modules and indeed
these development files are in kernel version specific directory names.
You will have a matching kernel-devel package for each kernel package
installed if you have installed kernel-devel. Like kernel-headers
kernel-devel must be manually installed by the user.
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Re: how to run install from tty/command line?

2012-08-03 Thread Rick Stevens

On 08/03/2012 02:15 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive::

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote:

On 08/03/2012 01:46 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive::


Thanks for your response.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com
wrote:


i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked
great...



I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb
drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be
that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old
thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The
installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my
question is, can I continue installing from the tty?

In case its still not clear, here's what I did:

* I put in the disk and boot.
* see bios screen
* see fedora 17 screen
* hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success
* screen displays  analog input cannot display this video mode
(maybe x or gconfd is starting?)



That's usually your monitor being unable to handle the signal being sent
by the video card. My guess is that the video card is fine but your
monitor can't handle the resolution being decided.


Is there a way to tweak that from the command line?





* I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password.
* I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant.
all about fc3, fc7.
* narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits
* write desperate emails to fedora users list

I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui
installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3)
reboot  start installer in text mode.

I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow
the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the
right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error
message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not
really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I
need to type in to the prompt?



When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted after booting the
DVD, hit the ENTER key, wait a couple of seconds and hit the escape
key. You should be presented with a boot: prompt


Output is:
Aborted.
boot:


at which you can
enter linux text.


At that point it replies Could not find kernel image: linux. What?


Ok, so either just enter text or try booting the DVD again. When the 
Install or upgrade thing is highlighted, hit the TAB key. When the

command line displays, add text to the end and hit the ENTER key.

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Finding old kernel RPMs

2012-08-03 Thread Konstantin Svist
I'm trying to track down kernel versions that caused a few regressions 
on my servers.


A recent one is somewhere between 3.4.2-1.fc16 and 3.4.6-1.fc16, and 
another one somewhere between 2.6.38.6-26.rc1.fc15 and 2.6.43.8-1.fc15


Is there a place where I can see a list of Fedora's kernel revisions, or 
better yet - be able to download them to try them out?



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Re: gnome 3 extensions

2012-08-03 Thread Patrick Dupre

On 2012-08-03 01:00, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:15:59 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:


On 2012-08-02 22:12, Germán A. Racca wrote:
 On 08/02/2012 04:16 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 Hello,

 I have 3 machines:
 1) Fedora 16 i686
 2) Fedora 16 x86_64
 3) Fedora 17 x86_64
 All forced fallback mode ON

 Do you mean that you aren't using gnome-shell but classical 
fallback

 mode? If the answer is yes, how can you speak about extensions?
 Those are for gnome-shell!

I run Forced Fallback Mode ON on the 3 machines, and on one I get 
the

gnome extensions!


Are you sure you're not confusing applets with extensions?

# yum list gnome-applet\*
...

Bravissimo,

Correct, I do not need any extension, gnome-applet is fine. Before, ie 
before fedora 15, if was by default.


Thank,


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Re: Finding old kernel RPMs

2012-08-03 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 04.08.2012 00:42, schrieb Konstantin Svist:
 I'm trying to track down kernel versions that caused a few regressions on my 
 servers.
 
 A recent one is somewhere between 3.4.2-1.fc16 and 3.4.6-1.fc16, and another 
 one somewhere between
 2.6.38.6-26.rc1.fc15 and 2.6.43.8-1.fc15
 
 Is there a place where I can see a list of Fedora's kernel revisions, or 
 better yet - be able to download them to
 try them out?

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds



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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 03.08.2012 14:54, schrieb Heinz Diehl:
 On 03.08.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: 
 
 adn yes i installed the first 3.5 MINUTES after it was built on
 koji on a for me very important machine
 
 An important machine should only be updated (stable or not - whatever)
 with a complete and functional backup prior to updating. New code
 doesn't only contain improvements, but introduces new bugs and
 flaws, too.

please do not explain me my world :-)

important for me is not important for customers
if it goes down i take it to the office a make a dd-dump back

my point was that i am testing many fedora-packages often long
before updates-testing is seeing them and it doe snot help
much if maintainers say hm bugreport, however i push to stable

and YES the 3.5.x currently in F17 stable is a problem
3.4.7 for F16 is a security update

so until someone knows what is going wrong in 3.5 the
right decision would have been build 3.4.7 for F17 too
instead psuh blindly 3.5 out - and after such decisions
someone is wondering why people start ranting?
__

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806548
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805317

2012-03-24 13:02:57 EDT 3.3.0-2.fc16
2012-05-03 12:00:53 EDT 3.3.4-3.fc17

nobody cared and fixed more than a month later
3.3.0 was a few days later pushedto stable repos
__

i have ALWAYS backups of all important things by having each machine
twice on different locations and sychronous and after 15 years in
this business, the last 4 running over 20 production servers on
Fedora doing all dist-upgrades from F9-F16 on them and having not
lost any bit of data in my life it seems that i know waht i am doing :-)



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Re: kernel-headers downgrade failure

2012-08-03 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 03.08.2012 16:02, schrieb Michael Schwendt:
 On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:46:41 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
 


 Am 03.08.2012 12:38, schrieb Michael Schwendt:
 On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:26:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:

 That said, maybe the Fedora repos can keep more than one (say 2-3)
 versions of the kernel in case some users need to downgrade and don't
 have it in their cache?

 IMO, the community would be served better if they tried packages from
 updates-testing early and more often.

 this does not help anything if there are fatal bugs reported which
 stops boot like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843826
 and ignored in a way that since yesterday kernel 3.5 is in stable
 repos for F17
 
 1) Ticket history reveals that there has been a very quick response
 by davej: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_activity.cgi?id=843826
 So, your bug report has not been ignored, albeit reassigned to a
 different component without any comment. Hot potatoe...

yes, but xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.1-1.fc17.x86_64 works fine
with kernels before 3.5 and the hardware i use in the bugreport
is not exotic

 In retrospect, I cannot tell whether davej should not have submitted
 3.5.0-2.fc17 as a test update three days later, knowing that 3.5.0-1.fc17
 causes problems. It looks like there is disagreement about the problem
 you've reported.

but the problem is there

i have TWO of this machines, both doe snot boot until nomodeset
as kernel-param with 3.5 which results in something like 800x600
resultion on a 25 LED what makes it impossible for me to do
anything after some medical operations on my eyes, even no debug

 This particular kernel is also an example of a karma fight within bodhi,
 with several testers ignoring the guidelines, unfortunately:
 
   
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Update_feedback_guidelines#Previously_reported_bugs
 
 They voted +1, compensating previous -1 votes. :-(

and this is unacceptable behavior

if every koji build would give a link to the karma page
it would be easier to give bad carma, but as long this
is not easy possible it has to be enough that i test a
koji-build long before it reaches updates-testing and
report a bug to prevent make it to stable

holy hell it is even not possible to give bad karma
with fedoa-easy-karma in the state i reported the bug

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i had installed on both of my machines any kernel-update since F14
partly ones which never did reach stable from koji

after that having one which does not bot at atll, report it
and become the yum-response below shot time after is a bad joke

3.4 is not EOL proven by the 3.4.7 update for F16 in updates-testing
i even rolled out to production machines last night after internal
tests because it has a security-flag

so the way to go after get a report 3.5.x F17 does not boot on standard
intel-hardware the way to go is hold back 3.5 for F167 stable and
update F17 to 3.4.7 for now

=
 Package ArchVersion
  Repository
Größe
=
Installieren:
 kernel  x86_64  3.5.0-2.fc17   
  updates
 26 M
 kernel-develx86_64  3.5.0-2.fc17   
  updates
7.5 M
Aktualisieren:
 kernel-headers  x86_64  3.5.0-2.fc17   
  updates
846 k

Vorgangsübersicht
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Installieren  2 Packages
Upgrade   1 Package

Gesamte Downloadgröße: 34 M
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Re: how to run install from tty/command line?

2012-08-03 Thread Dave Burns
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote:
 On 08/03/2012 02:15 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive::

 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com
 wrote:

 On 08/03/2012 01:46 PM, Dave Burns issued this missive::

 Thanks for your response.

 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jack Craig jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 i used live-creator to put a boot image on a usb thumb drive; worked
 great...



 I have access to an image. I am able to boot it. Switching to a thumb
 drive seems unlikely to improve things, since my problem seems to be
 that the installer does not like my graphics, which is a really old
 thing integrated into the motherboard of this old server. The
 installer boots but will only let me talk to to it from the tty. So my
 question is, can I continue installing from the tty?

 In case its still not clear, here's what I did:

 * I put in the disk and boot.
 * see bios screen
 * see fedora 17 screen
 * hit esc, see output from many daemons starting apparently with success
 * screen displays  analog input cannot display this video mode
 (maybe x or gconfd is starting?)



 That's usually your monitor being unable to handle the signal being sent
 by the video card. My guess is that the video card is fine but your
 monitor can't handle the resolution being decided.


 Is there a way to tweak that from the command line?



 * I hit ctl-alt f3 and am able to log in as root with no password.
 * I google the error message, get so many hits, none seem relevant.
 all about fc3, fc7.
 * narrow down google search to fc17, 2 irrelevant hits
 * write desperate emails to fedora users list

 I need advice showing me either 1) how to fix X and get the gui
 installer visible or 2) proceed with install from command line or 3)
 reboot  start installer in text mode.

 I've done text mode on previous versions of fedora, but when I follow
 the directions in the fc17 install guide, I can't seem to find the
 right magic. It says to type in linux text at the boot prompt. Error
 message is Could not find kernel image: linux. Maybe that's not
 really the boot prompt? Maybe the guide is not telling me everything I
 need to type in to the prompt?



 When the Install or upgrade thing is highlighted after booting the
 DVD, hit the ENTER key, wait a couple of seconds and hit the escape
 key. You should be presented with a boot: prompt


 Output is:
 Aborted.
 boot:

 at which you can
 enter linux text.


 At that point it replies Could not find kernel image: linux. What?


 Ok, so either just enter text or try booting the DVD again. When the
 Install or upgrade thing is highlighted, hit the TAB key. When the
 command line displays, add text to the end and hit the ENTER key.

It responds the same as if I had not typed 'text' at the end of the
line. It starts  many services, last one is display manager, then full
screen error message reports analog input cannot display this video
mode. This is one of the first things I tried (and I tried it again
just now to be sure).

TDB


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Re: Linux or GNU/Linux

2012-08-03 Thread DJ Delorie

This is all IMHO...

Linux is the kernel.

GNU is a project to create a Free operating system, which has created
such components as glibc, gcc, emacs, gdb, etc.

GNU/Linux is a combination of the two - any Linux-based operating system
that uses the GNU components.

There are other GNU-based operating systems using other kernels, such as
GNU/Hurd.

Fedora is a Linux-based distro that happens to include the GNU
components but also includes components from many other projects.

Most Linux-based distros (Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, etc) are
supersets of GNU/Linux - they use the Linux kernel and contain the GNU
project components, but also contain many other (possibly non-Free)
components.  While it's technically true to call such distros
GNU/Linux, such a label ignores a large portion of the origin and
richness of those distros.  It would be like calling the USA the
country that contains Boston.

Also, outside of myself, in my house we call such distros Firefox ;-)

Some operating systems do not use the GNU components yet are still
Linux-based, such as (I think) Android and certain special-purpose
embedded systems.  It is possible, for example, to build Newlib for
Linux, and have a Newlib/Linux system.


So, IMHO, the answer to your question is It depends on what you're
talking about, and why.
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Re: Does Spamassassin junk processing work for anyone under evolution?

2012-08-03 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 15:08 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: 
 On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 14:37 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
  On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 10:34 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: 
   On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 21:16 -0400, Aaron Konstam wrote: 
 Beforwe I file a bugzilla does spamaswsassin Junk processing work
for
 anyone under evolution?

I'm not quite sure.  I have evolution-spamassassin and evolution-rspam
installed.  I can filter junk, but I can't enable the spam reporting
plugin.

   The question is when you receive mail doews the spam automatically end
   up in the Junk folder? It does not on my machine?
   And this has never happened before. I mean in earlier fedora versons.
  
  Ah.  The answer is, yes.  It works on my Exchange EWS account and on my
  POP3 account.  For some definition of works.  Some junk is not caught
  and some non-junk is caught.  There is no junk in my Gmail account, but
  I don't get much spam there.
  
  To turn it on for an account, Edit - Preferences - Mail Accounts -
  select account - Edit - Receiving Options, then check Check new
  messages for junk contents.  My POP account doesn't offer a junk filter
  option, so that might be happening at the host.
  
  Also configure global junk processing in Edit - Preferences - Mail
  Preferences - Junk.
  
  I still can't get spam reporting working, but I suppose that's another
  thread.
 Except the option Check new messages for Junk is under thew Junk tab
 of Mail Preference. 

Yes, there, too.  But also there's a setting in each account (other than
POP, apparently).

 In my case no messages are sent to the Junk folder
 automatically.

Just to make sure, do you have the spamassassin and
evolution-spamassassin RPMs installed?

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Re: Linux or GNU/Linux

2012-08-03 Thread Shibi
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:39 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:

  While it's technically true to call such distros
 GNU/Linux, such a label ignores a large portion of the origin and
 richness of those distros.  It would be like calling the USA the
 country that contains Boston.

 Also, outside of myself, in my house we call such distros Firefox ;-)


I Think there's a misunderstanding between the OS and Distro in this argument.
and of course there's gonna be so much more debate on what a OS really
is. (Bill Gates may appeal his conviction if everyone agree that every
piece of applications for example browser is part of a superset named
OS)

So, IMHO, the answer to your question is It depends on what you're
talking about, and why.

in my opinion Linux couldn't and still cannot exist without certain
parts of gnu project including software and licenses, especially gcc,
glibc, gpl and lgpl. and that's true for android too, unless it uses
kernel header's without gpl licensing instead of glibc.
i don't mind any naming convention as long as it doesn't underestimate
the whole parts of concept.
but if calling a linux operating system Linux means:

Linux-based distro that happens to include the GNU
components but also includes components from many other projects.

I prefer not to use the word, because it doesn't concerns some
obligations (like gpl) and some involuntary constraints (like gcc)
fedora uses a GNU/Linux OS, and it's a GNU/Linux or linux distro, and
android IS not a GNU/Linux distro because despite the fact that it
contains Linux, it is not obligated to gnu general public license.


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