Re: unstable libreoffice
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 02:44:07AM +0200, lee wrote: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net writes: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 01:51:04PM +0200, lee wrote: Martin Skjöldebrand shieldf...@gmail.com writes: Is anyone else seeing a horribly unstable Libreoffice in Fedora 19? I decided against using it quite some time ago because even simple things like mailmerge didn't work, and trying to program something would have required unreasonable learning efforts and appeared not to be feasible anyway because one bug after the other would have needed a workaround. It would have taken me nowhere. Did you think that the devs were sitting around drinking coffee and watching pr0n in the time since you gave up on it? Considerable progress has been made in quite some time. hopefully so LaTeX works great for what I'm doing, and I didn't bother to install LO on Fedora. Give it ten years or so, and LO might be usable. Ten years? Give me a break. Yes, ten years. That gives them plenty of time to add features and to get them to work reliably. There are thousands of people using it right now with great satisfaction. If you haven't checked to see what has been fixed you aren't entitled to make that statement. It turned out to be incredibly buggy, and the devs seemed to be more interested in implementing new features than in fixing bugs. Just give it some time and don't be surprised when it crashes; what's the problem with that? We do not know what these thousands of people use it for and what it takes to satisfy them, so what. I would say, that with the size of the user base, requirements would be quite varied. Out of curiosity, why post this to the fedora list and not the LO list? Try it and see what replies you get. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unstable libreoffice
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Martin Skjöldebrand shieldf...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone else seeing a horribly unstable Libreoffice in Fedora 19? Just keeping the Open File dialog open for a bit longer than usually is needed to open a file, makes in crash. It doesn't happen all the time, but at frustratingly bad times (like when saving a doc for the first time). The good news is that there is a choice. Apache OpenOffice 4.0 has been released today. Feel free to give it a try. I'm downloading as I write this... There's a RPM for Fedora http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.0.0_Linux_x86_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz/download FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unstable libreoffice
Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net writes: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 02:44:07AM +0200, lee wrote: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net writes: There are thousands of people using it right now with great satisfaction. If you haven't checked to see what has been fixed you aren't entitled to make that statement. It turned out to be incredibly buggy, and the devs seemed to be more interested in implementing new features than in fixing bugs. Just give it some time and don't be surprised when it crashes; what's the problem with that? We do not know what these thousands of people use it for and what it takes to satisfy them, so what. I would say, that with the size of the user base, requirements would be quite varied. Is there any certain information about how many people are using it? Out of curiosity, why post this to the fedora list and not the LO list? Try it and see what replies you get. The OP posted here. You can post on their list any time; I already did. The list was difficult to get rid of because they didn't even manage to get unsubscribing to work. Just look at all the top posters and the HTML junk in that list and you get an impression of what kind of people are using LO. Someone on that list really tried to help me, that's how I found more and more bugs, without making any progress towards what I needed to do. Some of what I needed to do wasn't even possible with programming. Who knows, perhaps over time they might even fix pasting and the scroll bar in LO ... Or maybe they did? Can you finally have the scroll bar on the left? Can you now make it the default to paste the text only? Can you configure it so that pasting pastes where the cursor is rather than where the mouse pointer happens to be? These aren't even bugs, only simple usability issues. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unstable libreoffice
Martin Skjöldebrand shieldf...@gmail.com writes: On Monday 22 July 2013 13.51.04 lee wrote: LaTeX works great for what I'm doing, and I didn't bother to install LO on Fedora. Give it ten years or so, and LO might be usable. Works great is completely dependent on what you want to do. For daily writing of office documents it requires an - for me - undefendable amount of fiddling getting it setup properly, so no - LaTex is not an alternative. Indeed, some things can be rather difficult to do with LaTeX and/or require going to such lengths that it's just so much easier to use something like LO. However, I've seen other having reported crashes on dialog boxes, so it's a bit weird no one here has had the same experience ... I might just be unlucky I guess =( Perhaps you can try another version? IIRC they used to make some downloadable archives --- perhaps that works better what currently is in Fedora? Otherwise LO works nicely, although I miss the ribbon interface from MS Office (I know, lots of people don't). I always missed the database part. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unstable libreoffice
On Tuesday 23 July 2013 08.17.18 Fernando Cassia wrote: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Martin Skjöldebrand shieldf...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone else seeing a horribly unstable Libreoffice in Fedora 19? Just keeping the Open File dialog open for a bit longer than usually is needed to open a file, makes in crash. It doesn't happen all the time, but at frustratingly bad times (like when saving a doc for the first time). The good news is that there is a choice. Apache OpenOffice 4.0 has been released today. Feel free to give it a try. I'm downloading as I write this... There's a RPM for Fedora http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/en -US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.0.0_Linux_x86_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz/download Cool, I'll give it a look. /Martin S -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OpenVPN disapeared
Bill Oliver wrote: Are you using NetworkManager? If so, make sure that the package NetworkManager-openvpn is installed, along with (of course) openvpn an the appropriate desktop widget (i.e. for me using KDE, it's kde-plasma-networkmanagement-openvpn and kde-plasma-nm-openvpn) As a matter of interest, what is the point of NetworkManager-openvpn? I'm running NetworkManager under Fedora-19/KDE on my laptop, and I'm also running OpenVPN. Both seem to be working fine, so what is the point of installing NetworkManager-openvpn? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OpenVPN disapeared
On 07/23/13 21:26, Timothy Murphy wrote: Bill Oliver wrote: Are you using NetworkManager? If so, make sure that the package NetworkManager-openvpn is installed, along with (of course) openvpn an the appropriate desktop widget (i.e. for me using KDE, it's kde-plasma-networkmanagement-openvpn and kde-plasma-nm-openvpn) As a matter of interest, what is the point of NetworkManager-openvpn? I'm running NetworkManager under Fedora-19/KDE on my laptop, and I'm also running OpenVPN. Both seem to be working fine, so what is the point of installing NetworkManager-openvpn? Are you controlling you're OpenVPN connections via Network-Manager? If you want to, you need that for the GUI to display/manage the connections. -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unstable libreoffice
On 21.07.2013 16:23, Martin Skjöldebrand wrote: Is anyone else seeing a horribly unstable Libreoffice in Fedora 19? Just keeping the Open File dialog open for a bit longer than usually is needed to open a file, makes in crash. It doesn't happen all the time, but at frustratingly bad times (like when saving a doc for the first time). /Martin S $HOME/.config/libreoffice/4/user/registrymodifications.xcu: item oor:path=/org.openoffice.Office.Common/Miscprop oor:name=UseSystemFileDialog oor:op=fusevaluefalse/value/prop/item poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to etiquette)
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read the ones who also make it to the mailing list :) Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: passwd by root for user fails with sssd,pam, ldap
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/23/2013 01:20 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 07/22/2013 02:18 PM, Augustin Wolf wrote: Okay, it isn't safe to store root password in a file. By all my administrator heart I agree. But I don't see why you have to store it in a plain text file. Could you please expand on that? Because that's how LDAP works. In order to change a password, generally, you need to connect and authenticate as an admin or connect and authenticate as the user whose password will be changed. That means that either you need the admin's DN and plain-text password in a file (like the older PAM LDAP does) or you need the user to enter their own password (like both sssd and PAM LDAP do). The LDAP protocol requires that the bind username and password be sent in plaintext across the wire. (This is also why SSSD doesn't allow LDAP auth without an encrypted tunnel, because the protocol is unsafe otherwise). So you could store it in an obfuscated form on the disk, but it has to be a reversible encryption with the key readily available on the machine. This basically moves you from plaintext password to hidden plaintext password easily readable by a script-kiddy. Not much improvement. You can point what user is SSSD using, by customizing ldap_default_bind_dn, there's also password for LDAP Manager in ldap_default_authtok - as far as I understand this is the user that is performing all the actions via LDAP server. It's used for searches, generally when your directory doesn't allow anonymous searches. Yes, this is setting up the bind account for SSSD itself to look up users, groups, etc. It doesn't perform ANY write operations back to LDAP at all. The only time SSSD ever modifies the LDAP server is during a password change operation, and then it's done only with the credentials of the user changing their password. It does work when I'm changing password as a user using passwd, right? It consists of connecting to the LDAP server with the password given by the user. It can't work for an administrator because there's no password to give to the directory. When you're a user running 'passwd', your user is prompted for his or her current password and that is used to bind to LDAP. It does *not* use the ldap_default_bind_dn here. Your user traditionally has privilege to change their own password. Btw. plain-text passwords: There's option ldap_sasl_authid, that from what It seems is using Kerberos keytab (which is encrypted). (Unfortunately using it in my case it didn't help at all.) I believe that's used for searches as well. Yeah, this is essentially the SASL variant of ldap_default_bind_dn and ldap_default_authtok. It has all of the same limitations on its privileges that they do. There are also other plain text password vulnerabilities: [root@ldap ~]# grep bindpw /etc/* /etc/nslcd.conf:bindpw somesecretpass /etc/pam_ldap.conf:bindpw somesecretpass /etc/sudo-ldap.conf:bindpw somesecretpass and: /etc/ldap.secret None of those are provided by sssd. The developers who wrote the software which uses those files don't share the same concerns that the sssd developers have. And even in those situations, most of those are still read-only and designed just to bypass limitations of anonymous bind. Well-designed LDAP servers provide minimal information to anonymous logins, so in order to really see useful information you need to have a real user (or machine user). By the way: Stephen Gallagher is one of the sssd developers, so you should probably take his word when he tells you what sssd does and doesn't do. I advise people never to take me without a grain of salt. Keeps me honest :) Despite it - having logged in to root account gives full control over system. One can change rootpw in /etc/openldap/slapd.conf (or olc* directory style config) and change users password using ldappasswd using admin DN and skipping ACL. ...which is what Stephen suggested that you do. LDAP is a network service, and as such the root user has not special privileges. root's privileges are more or less limited to the filesystem. Actually, you don't even need to set rootpw there, because the 'ldappasswd' command will always prompt you for the password for the rootdn when you're attempting to change a different user's password. This is fine and acceptable, because you are being *challenged* and have to prove that you really are the LDAP admin user. The fact that you happen to be root on one machine connected to LDAP is *not* sufficient to prove that you have privilege to change other users' passwords. That would be a security hole, since anyone who gained root access to one of the machines would be able to change the password of any other user (possibly as part of a complex attack to gain access to a highly-privileged user). So this is why I recommend the user of ldappasswd if you want to reset another user's password (side note: you
Re: Install fc18 from DVD demands network connection
Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:01:43PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: This is back, sigh again. Having found out that fedup fails totally to work on drives with encrypted partitions, I don't think this is still the case: I did F18-F19 on my laptop (encrypted /home and swap) using fedup and it worked just fine. Not sure what you mean by still the case, it was as of 1PM yesterday when I posted, and since it's burned on DVD I doubt it's changes. Some systems refuse to install without network. That was the response I got when I reported the bug before, Can't reproduce and WFM don't cover the ground with anything but a hard fail on all systems. And you must be doing something wrong really doesn't fit a process which consists of load DVD followed by power on. I've been installing Linux since it hit usenet in 91 or so, and it works on other systems. It's clearly a Fedora bug, does not happen on the same machine with Mint, Ubuntu, or Puppy, and the other machine which has this issue installed Slackware fine. Note: after installing Slackware the problem went away, installing Ubentu didn't fix the machine of interest. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OpenVPN disapeared
Diego Vargas wrote: Hi Bill, I've just fixed. I've installed this package: NetworkManager-openvpn-gnome.x86_64 Now it works. Thanks for your help anyway. Diego That sounds like a problem with something you installed putting in a different (probably newer) version of something. If you have a hardware issue I assume you would notice. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OpenVPN disapeared
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Timothy Murphy wrote: Bill Oliver wrote: Are you using NetworkManager? If so, make sure that the package NetworkManager-openvpn is installed, along with (of course) openvpn an the appropriate desktop widget (i.e. for me using KDE, it's kde-plasma-networkmanagement-openvpn and kde-plasma-nm-openvpn) As a matter of interest, what is the point of NetworkManager-openvpn? I'm running NetworkManager under Fedora-19/KDE on my laptop, and I'm also running OpenVPN. Both seem to be working fine, so what is the point of installing NetworkManager-openvpn? It lets me control VPN using the Manage Connections button on the KDE NetworkManager widget -- whatever that's called. Otherwise I have to configure and run it by hand, and I'm too lazy to do that. This way, I just choose Manage Connections - VPN - Import and choose my config file. My VPN provider actually gives me three or four location options, and some are faster than others on any given day. Using NetworkManager allows me to switch between them with a mouse click. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Audacity 2.0.3-1 fc19 x86_64, reproduce crash on Equalize effect?
On my fresh F19, Cinnamon machine the equalize effect crashes silently, every time, either free-world or nonfree-world. Can someone confirm this? 1. Open Audacity 2. Either import audio clip or generate new track with tone 3. Click/drag to select an audio range 4. Try to apply Equalization from Effect menu item Error Result: Audacity crashes silently with SIGSEGV Proper result: Audacity should open equalization window. Backtraces point to a wx issue or Audacity, but want to reproduce before I follow that rabbit. Thank You, awf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [postgis-users] Status of Postgis-related rpms
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Bborie Park wrote: There shouldn't be any issues between PostgreSQL 9.2 and PostGIS 2.0. If there are, they'd be Fedora derived problems... Is there any chance that this will be corrected for Fedora 18? Technically, Fedora 18 won't go EOL until until one month after the release of Fedora 20; it would be nice to have these F18 packages available (PostGIS 2.0 and other related packages such as gdal, etc.) -bborie Max Pyziur p...@brama.com On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: Greetings, With the release of Fedora 18 there were interoperability issues with PostGIS and Postgresql. Fedora 18 was released with PostgreSQL 9.2.x and PostGIS 1.5.x. Given the mutual release schedule, only releases of PostGIS 2.0.x and higher can work with PostgreSQL 9.2.x. I see that Fedora 19 ships with PostGIS 2.0.3 and PostgreSQL 9.2.4. Do these packages work together correctly, or are there still issues? Much thanks, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com On Mon, 13 May 2013, Max Pyziur wrote: Or should we wait for Fedora 19? Max Pyziur p...@brama.com ___ postgis-users mailing list postgis-us...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/postgis-users -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unstable libreoffice
On 07/23/2013 04:14 AM, lee wrote: The OP posted here. You can post on their list any time; I already did. The list was difficult to get rid of because they didn't even manage to get unsubscribing to work. Just look at all the top posters and the HTML junk in that list and you get an impression of what kind of people are using LO. Yes: ordinary, every-day people who don't happen to meet your geeky standards. In the future, try to keep the ad homonem attacks out of your posts. They don't add anything and make you look bad. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services
Original-Nachricht Betreff: Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services Datum: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 00:02:02 +0200 Von: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net An: Mailing-List fedora-devel de...@lists.fedoraproject.org Hi has anybody considered to put the following as default in systemd-units of network services? cross-posting to users-list intented because i think it is a good idea to bring it to a broader userbase! ReadOnlyDirectories=/etc ReadOnlyDirectories=/usr http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html additionally having the RPM database to accessable for network-services is fine, set for all listed below and reduces the attack surface InaccessibleDirectories=/var/lib/rpm InaccessibleDirectories=/var/lib/yum __ this would greatly reduce the impact of a possible root-exploit and IMHO make installing a rootkit hard to impossible while it is a good compromise to read-only /usr on a own partition without make system-administration via SSH harder __ currently i am in prodcution with it for the following services most of them real production (customer-services) and a few on home-servers or even not available in the Fedora repos * asterisk * dbmail * dhcpd * dnsmasq * dovecot (running as IMAP/POP3 proxy and SASL) * hostapd * httpd * hylafax * iaxmodem * mailgraph * mpd * mpdscribble * mysqld * named * netatalk * ntpd * open-vm-tools * openvpn * postfix * prosody * pulseaudio (systemwide) * pure-ftpd * rsyslog * smbd * smokeping * unbound * vnstat * xinetd (TFTP) __ exeptiopns: * trafficserver it touchs /etc/trafficserver at startup ReadOnlyDirectories=/usr is fine * mediathomb refuses for whatever reason to start with read-only /etc ReadOnlyDirectories=/usr is fine signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /usr/local/lib*
Am 22.07.2013 00:27, schrieb Kevin Martin: For a long time wine needed the 32 bit libs, as did Adobe Reader (they may still, I don't know as I don't use them at all these days). If you have either of those installed it may be why you still have the 32 bit libs installed wine, AdobeReader as well as Skype are *pure* 32bit apps signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedup from 18 to 19, fingers crossed
Am 22.07.2013 04:41, schrieb Richard Shaw: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com mailto:marklap...@aol.com wrote: It may be an artifact of people who have trouble being more likely to write to the list, but it seems that people who have Fedup problems seem to outnumber those who have success outright with no problems first try. That's probably not the case though. The issues are probably caused by people who add stuff from foreign repos. How else would you end up with an F18 kernel that was newer than the F19 kernel that you were trying to replace it with? That doesn't happen to all F18 users does it? My money is on NO. No custom kernels... for some reason F18 ended up with 3.9.10 and F19 is still on 3.9.9 (or something like that). and that is why i use yum distro-sync is what it says and does even downgrades signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /usr/local/lib*
Am 22.07.2013 14:31, schrieb lee: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: because the FHS says it and after UsrMove anything in /lib was merged to /usr/lib lrwxrwxrwx1 root root7 2013-05-30 23:36 bin - usr/bin lrwxrwxrwx1 root root7 2013-05-30 23:36 lib - usr/lib lrwxrwxrwx1 root root9 2013-05-30 23:36 lib64 - usr/lib64 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root8 2013-05-30 23:36 sbin - usr/sbin That was a very bad idea: /bin contains commands that may be used by both the system administrator and by users, but which are required when no other filesystems are mounted[1] lsinitrd | grep usr/bin lsinitrd | grep usr/sbin The /usr file system is usually on its own partition. Implicitly creating a requirement to have it on the same partition as the root fs is bad, and /bin should not be under /usr. It violates the FHS, see [2]: /usr/bin should hold most user commands, and considering [1], that excludes commands which are required when no other filesystems are mounted unless you want dupes. [1]: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#BINESSENTIALUSERCOMMANDBINARIES [2]: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEUSRHIERARCHY http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /usr/local/lib*
Am 22.07.2013 13:41, schrieb lee: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: no, but yum remove \*i686\* should kill them :-) So I have removed the i686 packages: | [root@yun:~]$ yum list installed |grep 686 | texlive-url.noarch 3:svn16864.3.2-0.1.fc19 installed | [root@yun:~]$ du -hs /usr/lib/ | 582M/usr/lib/ | [root@yun:~]$ find /usr/lib/ -type f | wc -l | 14060 | [root@yun:~]$ ` /usr/lib/ should be empty now. Why is it not? says who? http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html /lib : Essential shared libraries and kernel modules http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE11 http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#REQUIREMENTS5 http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SPECIFICOPTIONS7 And why are the kernel modules not in /usr/lib64/modules/? because the FHS says it and after UsrMove anything in /lib was merged to /usr/lib lrwxrwxrwx1 root root7 2013-05-30 23:36 bin - usr/bin lrwxrwxrwx1 root root7 2013-05-30 23:36 lib - usr/lib lrwxrwxrwx1 root root9 2013-05-30 23:36 lib64 - usr/lib64 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root8 2013-05-30 23:36 sbin - usr/sbin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedup from 18 to 19, fingers crossed
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: It may be an artifact of people who have trouble being more likely to write to the list, but it seems that people who have Fedup problems seem to outnumber those who have success outright with no problems first try. That's probably not the case though. The issues are probably caused by people who add stuff from foreign repos. How else would you end up with an F18 kernel that was newer than the F19 kernel that you were trying to replace it with? That doesn't happen to all F18 users does it? My money is on NO. No custom kernels... for some reason F18 ended up with 3.9.10 and F19 is still on 3.9.9 (or something like that). I do have some custom packages, but nothing that would prevent basic functionality, mostly end user apps, and they're all in a local repository which I rebuild F19 packages in most cases. fedup only updated about 500 packages. When I got my system fixed enough to run yum update, it still needed about 1100. My guess at this point is that fedup assumed that because my local repository was local (over nfs) that it didn't need to add these packages to /var/lib/fedora-upgrade. If this is indeed the case that is a VERY bad assumption. It's nuts to not include ALL the packages needed for the upgrade transaction. And even if there's a good reason not to (I can't think of one) then if you're missing 1100 packages, it should refuse to do the upgrade. Richard -- In reading this my hopefully helpful hint / question would be: did you enter the fedup command correctly? Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Am 23.07.2013 16:25, schrieb Richard Shaw: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl mailto:o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read the ones who also make it to the mailing list :) Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) this below is what you are calling an insult? seriously? sorry for point to a solution which worked many hundret times for me, i will try not try to help you again ___ No custom kernels... for some reason F18 ended up with 3.9.10 and F19 is still on 3.9.9 (or something like that) and that is why i use yum distro-sync is what it says and does even downgrades signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /usr/local/lib*
On 07/21/2013 06:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 22.07.2013 00:27, schrieb Kevin Martin: For a long time wine needed the 32 bit libs, as did Adobe Reader (they may still, I don't know as I don't use them at all these days). If you have either of those installed it may be why you still have the 32 bit libs installed wine, AdobeReader as well as Skype are *pure* 32bit apps On my In the 64-bit PCLOS repos there is Wine64. I don't know any more than that, but that's what it's called. On the same system, there is no AdobeReader, and I sure wish I knew how to get it to work! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedup from 18 to 19, fingers crossed
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote: In reading this my hopefully helpful hint / question would be: did you enter the fedup command correctly? fedup -v --network 19? Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) this below is what you are calling an insult? Yes, the part I hilighted before is rather insulting to people. seriously? ***sorry for point to a solution which worked many hundret times for me, i will try not try to help you again*** -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgp9382A_axCX.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Oh my god, it feels like I'm reading a baby whining because another one pinched his ass. You call this an insult ? This got to be the most childish mailing-list I've ever been on. Grow up some balls, people. This really is ridiculous. You're offended because the first answer wasn't rolled in salutations and polite hello goodbye ? If I was Harald I would the offending one. You get a straight, clear answer and you call it insult. And then to justify yourself you quote the following reaction. Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. Eric Viseur Etudiant Ingénieur Civil Electricien +32 497 92 36 80 LinkedIn Profilehttp://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=193442069trk=tab_pro 2013/7/23 Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) this below is what you are calling an insult? Yes, the part I hilighted before is rather insulting to people. seriously? ***sorry for point to a solution which worked many hundret times for me, i will try not try to help you again*** -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Viseur Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. You can ignore threads in any mailing list and fwiw, forums are far more heavily moderated compared to the mailing list. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:44:12PM +0200, Eric Viseur wrote: Oh my god, it feels like I'm reading a baby whining because another one pinched his ass. You call this an insult ? This got to be the most childish mailing-list I've ever been on. Grow up some balls, people. This really is ridiculous. Not really. The mailing lists participants are supposed to conduct themselves politely. This isn't LKML. ;) You're offended Nobody said offended. I said his statement was insulting. Two different things. because the first answer wasn't rolled in salutations and polite hello goodbye ? If I was Harald I would the offending one. You get a straight, clear answer and you call it insult. And then to justify yourself you quote the following reaction. How is telling someone you won't be helping them in future a straight, clear answer? Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgp_NGX1fMdtL.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: passwd by root for user fails with sssd,pam, ldap [SOLVED]
On 23 July 2013 16:39, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: That means that either you need the admin's DN and plain-text password in a file (like the older PAM LDAP does) or you need the user to enter their own password (like both sssd and PAM LDAP do). So, unless using command passwd, will prompt for LDAP admin DN, and password, it won't be secure. The LDAP protocol requires that the bind username and password be sent in plaintext across the wire. (This is also why SSSD doesn't allow LDAP auth without an encrypted tunnel, because the protocol is unsafe otherwise). So you could store it in an obfuscated form on the disk, but it has to be a reversible encryption with the key readily available on the machine. This basically moves you from plaintext password to hidden plaintext password easily readable by a script-kiddy. Not much improvement. I agree. The only acceptable solution would be one way hash, but this wouldn't be much help, unless OpenLdap supports it. Yes, this is setting up the bind account for SSSD itself to look up users, groups, etc. It doesn't perform ANY write operations back to LDAP at all. The only time SSSD ever modifies the LDAP server is during a password change operation, and then it's done only with the credentials of the user changing their password. When you're a user running 'passwd', your user is prompted for his or her current password and that is used to bind to LDAP. It does *not* use the ldap_default_bind_dn here. Your user traditionally has privilege to change their own password. But it might be modified with LDAP ACL, though. I thought that sssd does modify LDAP records. My mistake. There's option ldap_sasl_authid, that from what It seems is using Kerberos keytab (which is encrypted) I believe that's used for searches as well. Yeah, this is essentially the SASL variant of ldap_default_bind_dn and ldap_default_authtok. It has all of the same limitations on its privileges that they do. By the way: Stephen Gallagher is one of the sssd developers, so you should probably take his word when he tells you what sssd does and doesn't do. I advise people never to take me without a grain of salt. Keeps me honest :) I know. During long googling, before creating this thread I found Stephen answers on serverfault.com and linuxquestions.org. I think it's great that someone from redhat does participate in such sites and help to solve some problems. Or simply to tell what was the motivation for certain sssd solutions. One can change rootpw in /etc/openldap/slapd.conf (or olc* directory style config) and change users password using ldappasswd using admin DN and skipping ACL. Actually, you don't even need to set rootpw there, because the 'ldappasswd' command will always prompt you for the password for the rootdn when you're attempting to change a different user's password. I was thinking about breaking in, when intruder doesn't know the LDAP admin rootpw. On root account it can be easily changed. This is fine and acceptable, because you are being *challenged* and have to prove that you really are the LDAP admin user. The fact that you happen to be root on one machine connected to LDAP is *not* sufficient to prove that you have privilege to change other users' passwords. That would be a security hole, since anyone who gained root access to one of the machines would be able to change the password of any other user (possibly as part of a complex attack to gain access to a highly-privileged user). So this is why I recommend the user of ldappasswd if you want to reset another user's password (side note: you don't even need to be root for this; you can just present the admin credentials to ldappasswd as a standard user). It's also why we don't (and won't) support this misfeature in SSSD. Wouldn't be possible ask root for administrative password before changing user password, and don't store it anywhere ? With ldappasswd, yes. If you want, you're welcome to file an RFE at https://fedorahosted.org/sssd (FAS login) if you would like to see us add functionality to pam_sss.so to challenge you for an LDAP admin username and password if you try to do 'passwd otheruser' on the command-line, but I'll tell you right now that the SSSD team will almost certainly put it on the back-burner because other tools (ldappasswd, kpasswd) already do an excellent job of it. As much as this would be comfortable it can be easily replaced by simple bash script, that will execute both ldappasswd and kpasswd for given LDAP admin DN, password and user Thanks for answer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora-users-br] Fedora 18: Nova versão, velhos problemas, velhas soluções não funcionam
Gabriel, Vou Ficar no aguardo Fernando, Tentei instalar o driver por varias vezes e simplesmente não consigo usar simplesmente não sobe mais o X. tbm não sei se e devido a placa grafica hibrida que tenho. Então não levanta o X com o driver proptietário? E com o driver open source funciona? Qual é exatamente o modelo da sua ATI e da Intel que está junto (já que é vídeo híbrido)? Em caso de dúvida, faz um lspci | grep -i vga Eu tenho um note sony vaio com placa híbrida e funciona ok []s, Fernando Lozano -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Reindl Harald Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: hmm that must be the reason i get moderated and censored beause a few inpolite answers Censorship doesn't mean what you think it does and it is different from moderation but yes, your behavior would have likely gotten you banned permanently in the Fedora forum. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a club I can join? :) this below is what you are calling an insult? Yes, the part I hilighted before is rather insulting to people who are you? Darryl Pierce. Been here for years. what did you highlight? I put triple asterisks (***) around the portion of your reponse that could be considered insulting. i answered Richard Shaw and *not you* It's a public forum. i *never* answered you at all I know. so quote in context or do not answer at all! I did. I quoted in the context of the other poster saying you were being insulting. if you do not understand the context do not reply at all! I fully understand the context, as I explain above. a rotten quote style like yours in this post is the real damage to any conversation and *yes* this was partly a insult because *you insulted me* with your quote-style I'm sorry, the quoting format is the default for Mutt and has been around for a long time. Surely you've seen it for literally YEARS online. seriously? ***sorry for point to a solution which worked many hundret times for me, i will try not try to help you again*** this was *not* the quote this was *the reaction* at the post below which did go to Richard Shaw as the only answer of me *before* that what you quoted What I quoted in my previous message was the text to which I'm referring when I said your response can be insulting. What _it_ referred to is kind of irrelevant to my point. -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgp4KZz1RwNB0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 07/23/2013 02:02 PM, Darryl L. Pierce issued this missive: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I'm snipping all of this tripe. Gang, can we PLEASE drop this thread? It's degenerated into a he said this, the other guy said that diatribe. It serves no useful purpose for the forum and simply wastes bandwidth. I, for one, am now adding a filter to /dev/null all messages with this subject. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - What's small, yellow and very, VERY dangerous? The root canary! - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
HI On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrot what about think 10 seconds that 5 inpolite messages out of 1000 are statistically not relevant - show me 5 people with more answers than me in the last two years and the look how often the ones with a few rplies are answer the same inpolite way is i sometimes do they are not judged the same way here - period Moderately step in when there are persistent complaints. You have managed to generate more complaints despite your own self judgement of how often you have engaged in poor behavior. Trying to play the victim doesn't help with that. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: and how does this match You can ignore threads in any mailing list? Read the context. If you don't follow list guidelines, moderators can step in but if you merely are not interested in any topic, you can ignore the threads related to that. i do not play the victim- i find it simply inappropriate that often enough the nitpickers had much worse words than i ever used without get judged the same way You want to assert that you have been unfairly targeted and a victim of moderation. I trust the judgement of moderators better. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Yum tries to update to three nvidia drivers all at once
I attempted to perform a `sudo yum update`, but yum produced an error and exited because it was trying to update to nvidia drivers 319.32, 304xx, and 173 all at the same time. I excluded the older drivers (304xx and 173) and proceeded with the update, and Nvidia-settings shows that the version running is 319.32. Why would it do such a thing? I previously had 310 installed, so it should have chosen 319.32 and disregarded the others, correct? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Please discontinue to continue this thread Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Hasn't this noise gone on long enough?
Hint, it is why I stay away despite experience with RedHat Linux going
back to Hurricane. It's not worth my time to more than browse titles of
late.
{+_+}
On 2013/07/23 14:42, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and how does this match You can ignore threads in any mailing list?
Read the context. If you don't follow list guidelines, moderators can step in
but if you merely are not interested in any topic, you can ignore the threads
related to that.
i do not play the victim- i find it simply inappropriate that often
enough the nitpickers had much worse words than i ever used without
get judged the same way
You want to assert that you have been unfairly targeted and a victim of
moderation. I trust the judgement of moderators better.
Rahul
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Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: HI On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrot what about think 10 seconds that 5 inpolite messages out of 1000 are statistically not relevant - show me 5 people with more answers than me in the last two years and the look how often the ones with a few rplies are answer the same inpolite way is i sometimes do they are not judged the same way here - period Moderately step in when there are persistent complaints. You have managed to generate more complaints despite your own self judgement of how often you have engaged in poor behavior. Trying to play the victim doesn't help with that. The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Someone started one ridiculous thread complaining about old things without any reason to do so other than to agititate things and it has ballooned into a bunch of ridiculous threads because apparently there are enough members of this list who can't just leave it alone for a month to see if things have changed. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OpenVPN disapeared
Bill Oliver wrote: As a matter of interest, what is the point of NetworkManager-openvpn? I'm running NetworkManager under Fedora-19/KDE on my laptop, and I'm also running OpenVPN. Both seem to be working fine, so what is the point of installing NetworkManager-openvpn? It lets me control VPN using the Manage Connections button on the KDE NetworkManager widget -- whatever that's called. Otherwise I have to configure and run it by hand, and I'm too lazy to do that. This way, I just choose Manage Connections - VPN - Import and choose my config file. What does control VPN mean? I only use openvpn to login to remote computers. What do you use it for? If I want to login to xyz-vpn I just say ssh -Y xyz-vpn. Actually I've set it up so I just click on buttons to access the remote machines I'm interested in. My VPN provider actually gives me three or four location options, and some are faster than others on any given day. Using NetworkManager allows me to switch between them with a mouse click. Do you really need a NetworkManager plugin to do that? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
rpmbuild
Hello,
After a cpanspec PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1.tgz
I did:
rpmbuild -bb perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12.spec
Spec file--
Name: perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12
Version: 1
Release: 1%{?dist}
Summary: PDL::LAPACK::0.12 Perl module
License: CHECK(GPL+ or Artistic)
Group: Development/Libraries
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/PDL-LAPACK-0.12/
Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/PDL/PDL-LAPACK-0.%{version}2-1.tgz
BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
BuildArch: noarch
BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo
$version))
%description
PDL::LAPACK
---
This package is an additional perl PDL module for access to fast linear
algebra functions from the popular LAPACK math package.
%prep
%setup -q -n PDL-LAPACK-0.%{version}2-1
%build
%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
make %{?_smp_mflags}
%install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
make pure_install PERL_INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT
find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \;
find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \;
%{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/*
%check
make test
%clean
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
%files
%defattr(-,root,root,-)
%doc Changes lapack.pd README
%{perl_vendorlib}/*
%{_mandir}/man3/*
%changelog
* Sun Jul 21 2013 Patrick Dupre 1-1
- Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.78.
---
I get:
Blablabla
Executing(%check): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.J8OolC
+ umask 022
+ cd /home/pdupre/rpm/BUILD
+ cd PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1
+ make test
PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl -Iblib/lib -Iblib/arch test.pl
1..2
# Running under perl version 5.016003 for linux
# Current time local: Wed Jul 24 01:08:26 2013
# Current time GMT: Tue Jul 23 23:08:26 2013
# Using Test.pm version 1.25_02
ok 1
ok 2
+ exit 0
Processing files: perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc19.noarch
error: File not found by glob:
/home/pdupre/rpm/BUILDROOT/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc19.i386/usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/*
Executing(%doc): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.WCZTZl
+ umask 022
+ cd /home/pdupre/rpm/BUILD
+ cd PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1
+
DOCDIR=/home/pdupre/rpm/BUILDROOT/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc19.i386/usr/share/doc/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1
+ export DOCDIR
+ /usr/bin/mkdir -p
/home/pdupre/rpm/BUILDROOT/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc19.i386/usr/share/doc/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1
+ cp -pr Changes
/home/pdupre/rpm/BUILDROOT/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc19.i386/usr/share/doc/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1
+ cp -pr lapack.pd
/home/pdupre/rpm/BUILDROOT/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc19.i386/usr/share/doc/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1
+ cp -pr README
/home/pdupre/rpm/BUILDROOT/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc19.i386/usr/share/doc/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1
+ exit 0
RPM build errors:
File not found by glob:
/home/pdupre/rpm/BUILDROOT/perl-PDL-LAPACK-0.12-1-1.fc19.i386/usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/*
How to solve this glitch ?
Thank.
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Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | |
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Re: [Fedora-users-br] Fedora 18: Nova versão, velhos problemas, velhas soluções não funcionam
Gabriel, lspci |grep -i vga 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Whistler [Radeon HD 6630M/6650M/6750M/7670M/7690M] (rev ff) Parece ser igual à minha, vou conferir. sobre o driver open source ele tem um problema chato que ele ativa as duas placas detonando a bateria e aumentando muito a temperatura do notebook. Acho que ocorre o mesmo com o meu, mas nunca me incomodou. Eu reparei que o aquecimento diminuiu com o F19, mas não conferi se agora ele liga e desliga as placas conforme a demanda. A solução que encontrei foi criar um script na inicialização do sistema usando o vgaswitchero e desativando a placa ati deixando apenas a intel funcionando com o driver open source. Porque não fazer o contrário (para os jogos)? []s, Fernando Lozano -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Harald continues to claim that he is a victim of moderators targeting him unfairly and IMO that is wrong. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OpenVPN disapeared
On 07/24/13 07:07, Timothy Murphy wrote: Bill Oliver wrote: As a matter of interest, what is the point of NetworkManager-openvpn? I'm running NetworkManager under Fedora-19/KDE on my laptop, and I'm also running OpenVPN. Both seem to be working fine, so what is the point of installing NetworkManager-openvpn? It lets me control VPN using the Manage Connections button on the KDE NetworkManager widget -- whatever that's called. Otherwise I have to configure and run it by hand, and I'm too lazy to do that. This way, I just choose Manage Connections - VPN - Import and choose my config file. What does control VPN mean? I only use openvpn to login to remote computers. What do you use it for? If I want to login to xyz-vpn I just say ssh -Y xyz-vpn. Actually I've set it up so I just click on buttons to access the remote machines I'm interested in. My VPN provider actually gives me three or four location options, and some are faster than others on any given day. Using NetworkManager allows me to switch between them with a mouse click. Do you really need a NetworkManager plugin to do that? If one wants to control their VPN connections, for their entire desktop session, in KDE via the systray plasmoid (GUI), then YES. If they want to do things the way you do it, then NO. It is as simple as that FWIW, in order to use the GUI of KDE to manage various network functions you need a pair of things kde-plasma-networkmanagement-vpnc NetworkManager-vpnc kde-plasma-networkmanagement-openconnect NetworkManager-openconnect kde-plasma-networkmanagement-openvpn NetworkManager-openvpn -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OpenVPN disapeared
On 07/24/13 07:07, Timothy Murphy wrote: I only use openvpn to login to remote computers. What do you use it for? I use it to place my entire Desktop session in the US, or another country, so that I have complete access to content and services which are geographically restricted. -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 07/23/2013 04:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that One of the moderators has already stepped in asking us not to respond to one of these threads. The only real response was starting a new one. I don't know how moderation works on this list, but it might be possible for the moderators to set it so that any posts to a thread they've closed is automatically rejected so that the only way the discussion can be continued is off-list, meaning that the rest of us aren't forced to be involved. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On 7/23/2013 7:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Harald continues to claim that he is a victim of moderators targeting him unfairly and IMO that is wrong. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that Rahul Bluntly said? I see this *attack!!* *Attack!!* on many Linux lists lately. It reminds me of when I first tried Red Hat Linux v5.2 which came with the Linus for Dummies book and the users on that Red Hat list. Any question invoked an attack and, or, a *RTFM* comment to a Newbie (me) that no understand of the 'Linux Geek' that it was written in. Sad. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Harald continues to claim that he is a victim of moderators targeting him unfairly and IMO that is wrong. I think moderating only Harald is causing problems while not solving any and I think this list's behavior of late is at the very least uncharitable and unforgiving. Whether that is fair depends on your point of view I suppose. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that All I can do is suggest what I think could be done to improve the situation. If the moderators aren't willing to do more and the community isn't willing to give it a rest then I'll probably just join others giving up on this list. It is embarrassing to the community and is sucking the energy out of list members right and left. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:02:08PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: How is telling someone you won't be helping them in future a straight, clear answer? *boah* you did not quote the context as well as Richard did not say any word that he refers on a bugreport far far away from the list even with my private address and that is why people which do not know or refer to the context could simply be quiet instead bring bad blood where none was so simple the world could be I changed nothing in the email to which I replied: it was left quoted as-is. -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgpjSoNWNubo0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:07:20PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 23:02, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: I'm sorry, the quoting format is the default for Mutt and has been around for a long time. Surely you've seen it for literally YEARS online. with rotten style i meant strip quotes completly out of context Nothing was stripped out of context. They were left in their original context. What I quoted in my previous message was the text to which I'm referring when I said your response can be insulting. What _it_ referred to is kind of irrelevant to my point quote without context and say look here you se insulting words is pure laughable - jesus even Richard did not make clear *what* he is speaking about, so i searched in my mail-archive, found the one and only reply to him in this year and thought WTF is this guy speaking about do you really need a more perfect example *why* the context is very important in *any* communication? The only perfect example I see is of what the original complaint said about your interactions on this list. I was trying to _help you_ see how you're coming across. And I had hoped that, as someone who's not needed to interact with you in past, you could see what I was saying with the emotional baggage you're carrying regarding others on the list. But I sadly see that you have gone from 0 to rant towards me over one email. So sorry you're that affected here. So I'm out. -- Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman? pgp5qZ6MxDxoU.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
My original intent in reviving this thread was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Obviously that's not what happened so for that I apologize. I should have foreseen that this would happen but I did not. Unless there is a possibility that this will result in some sort of resolution (which seems unlikely) then as the instigator of the revival of this thread I ask that it stop. That being said, it's pain now or pain later. If nothing is resolved then all we're doing is biding our time until this happens again. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Quoting Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com: My original intent in reviving this thread was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Obviously that's not what happened so for that I apologize. I should have foreseen that this would happen but I did not. Unless there is a possibility that this will result in some sort of resolution (which seems unlikely) then as the instigator of the revival of this thread I ask that it stop. That being said, it's pain now or pain later. If nothing is resolved then all we're doing is biding our time until this happens again. that might be better than obsessing, though. Dave Richard -- I think that if a person doesn't feel cynical then they're out of phase with the 21st century. Being cynical is the only way to deal with modern civilization, you can't just swallow it whole. -- Frank Zappa -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Viseur Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. You can ignore threads in any mailing list and fwiw, forums are far more heavily moderated compared to the mailing list. Rahul He knows that. In the old USENET days, this was called a 'flounce.' Somebody always does it at this stage of a contentious discussion. billo-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OpenVPN disapeared
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013, Timothy Murphy wrote: Bill Oliver wrote: As a matter of interest, what is the point of NetworkManager-openvpn? I'm running NetworkManager under Fedora-19/KDE on my laptop, and I'm also running OpenVPN. Both seem to be working fine, so what is the point of installing NetworkManager-openvpn? It lets me control VPN using the Manage Connections button on the KDE NetworkManager widget -- whatever that's called. Otherwise I have to configure and run it by hand, and I'm too lazy to do that. This way, I just choose Manage Connections - VPN - Import and choose my config file. What does control VPN mean? I only use openvpn to login to remote computers. What do you use it for? If I want to login to xyz-vpn I just say ssh -Y xyz-vpn. Actually I've set it up so I just click on buttons to access the remote machines I'm interested in. My VPN provider actually gives me three or four location options, and some are faster than others on any given day. Using NetworkManager allows me to switch between them with a mouse click. Do you really need a NetworkManager plugin to do that? No, I don't need a NetworkManager plugin to do that, it just makes it easier. It's like a remote control for my TV. I *could* get up and change the channel manually every time I wanted to surf channels, but I prefer to sit on my ass and push a button. By control I mean easily modify configurations and switch between different servers with a mouse click. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Dave Stevens g...@uniserve.com writes: Quoting Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com: My original intent in reviving this thread was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Obviously that's not what happened so for that I apologize. I should have foreseen that this would happen but I did not. Unless there is a possibility that this will result in some sort of resolution (which seems unlikely) then as the instigator of the revival of this thread I ask that it stop. That being said, it's pain now or pain later. If nothing is resolved then all we're doing is biding our time until this happens again. that might be better than obsessing, though. What is going on here? It seems I got like only half the posts of this thread, so I can only assume that the missing ones are stuck in moderation or are being held back altogether. This kind of censorship does more damage than anything else and makes me think about unsubscribing from this list. Someone claims they have been insulted because someone else tells him that he uses yum? I guess now we all must feel insulted because we're using Fedora, since otherwise we would be standing by, doing nothing. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unstable libreoffice
Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes: On 07/23/2013 04:14 AM, lee wrote: The OP posted here. You can post on their list any time; I already did. The list was difficult to get rid of because they didn't even manage to get unsubscribing to work. Just look at all the top posters and the HTML junk in that list and you get an impression of what kind of people are using LO. Yes: ordinary, every-day people who don't happen to meet your geeky standards. Since when does good behaviour when posting to mailing lists or otherwise sending emails fall under geeky standards? In the future, try to keep the ad homonem attacks out of your posts. They don't add anything and make you look bad. Perhaps I should have you moderated because you're trying to insult me. I haven't attacked anyone in this thread. If you think otherwise, feel free to show whom I attacked when with what. We can then start a big discussion about it, it'll be fun. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Rick Stevens ricks at alldigital.com writes: On 07/23/2013 02:02 PM, Darryl L. Pierce issued this missive: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I'm snipping all of this tripe. Gang, can we PLEASE drop this thread? It's degenerated into a he said this, the other guy said that diatribe. It serves no useful purpose for the forum and simply wastes bandwidth. I, for one, am now adding a filter to /dev/null all messages with this subject. Hear! Hear! Gentle-people of the list, the problem of perceived ill behavior is probably as old as the original Usenet. Terms like flaming, flame war and flamebait were around long before Linus created his first program, let alone gave us Linux. There will always be responses you perceive as being rude, nasty and uncalled for. Some such behavior can be traced to cultural differences, some to miss-communication and. sometimes, some people just take pleasure in being a know-it-all jerk. If you get individual e-mails from the list, feel free to set up a rule in your mail client to route e-mails from people you perceive as fitting this last category to /dev/null. Please, do not ask the moderators to play God and distinguish a valid but harsh response from flamage. For those of us who receive the digest, I find a glass of wine or a beer helps when dealing with those who contribute too much noise and not enough content. Now, can we drop this thread? Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mate desktop, login produces up to ten caja instances
On 07/19/2013 07:32 PM, Fred Smith wrote: On F19 with Mate desktop, sometimes after login 8 or 9 or even 10 copies of Caja (Mate File Manger) are started up. Fred, I upgraded a test F17 system to F18 using fedora-upgrade, and it seemed successful. The next thing I did was to install MATE. After that I tried to upgrade from nouveau to NVIDIA drivers. After that I logged in using the MATE desktop, and saw the same as you are seeing. I googled the issue and discovered that this has been a problem off and on since F16, with various fixes and re-apperance of the problem. The last resolution of the problem was still in updates-testing on F18 last I looked. Most of the time not, but perhaps once every day or two this will happen. the rest of the time it's completely normal. IIRC, it happens after the first MATE session login after system startup, though I was not able to limit it to that. Once it started happening for me, it continued to happen every time I logged out and logged back in again. I found these /var/log/messages entries at around the right time, but I'm not certain whether they are from login or the boot a small bit earlier: Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus-daemon[556]: dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send me ssage, 2 matched rules; type=method_call, sender=:1.52 (uid=1000 pid=1410 co mm=caja -n ) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.12 (uid=0 pid=638 comm=/us r/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ) Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type=method_call, sender=:1.52 (uid=1000 pid=1410 comm=caja -n ) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.12 (uid=0 pid=638 comm=/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ) Anybody got any clues? Check out bugzilla 886029. It has some information, but not a definitive resolution, just yet thanks! Fred -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@verizon.net cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://www.linuxcounter.net/) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unstable libreoffice
On 07/23/2013 07:13 PM, lee wrote: I haven't attacked anyone in this thread. If you think otherwise, feel free to show whom I attacked when with what. We can then start a big discussion about it, it'll be fun. -1 Flamebait -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Was Mate desktop, ten caja instances. Now Nouveau
snip After that I tried to upgrade from nouveau to NVIDIA drivers. /snip Why? I have used the nouveau drivers since Fedora 16 they work very well and it saved me a lot of heartache and time. I use mate on one system, Gnome on another and cinnamon on the desktop. I do graphic intensive work and development at the same time. Cinnamon desktop is getting jerky when dragging windows when I have several open but apart from that I'm glad to stick with Nouveau and support the devs. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: passwd by root for user fails with sssd,pam, ldap [SOLVED]
On 07/23/2013 01:54 PM, Augustin Wolf wrote: I agree. The only acceptable solution would be one way hash, but this wouldn't be much help, unless OpenLdap supports it. If the system stored a one-way hash of a password, and that hash were usable as an authentication token, then the one-way has IS a plain-text password. Plain text means that the content is usable without a key. A key might be an encryption passphrase entered on a terminal, or it might be an external crypto device that can transform a key into a usable form. Common alternate authentication token types include an encrypted key file (such as ssh uses) or smart cards, or other PKCS #11 devices that can do challenge/response authentication. In short, if a file can be used to authenticate a service without a key, then it's plain text. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
