Re: confused by inactive dead syslog.target on fedora 20
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014, Ed Greshko wrote: On 02/05/14 05:22, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just digging into systemd (so be prepared for several potentially silly questions), and i was playing with some variations of listing systemctl services, and i ran: # systemctl list-units -t target --all and everything looked fine other than this line: syslog.target not-found inactive dead syslog.target at the moment, syslog is running fine as a *service*, it seems ok ... so what does it mean that syslog.target is classified as inactive and dead? Seems to me like a remnant. As you can see syslog.target does not exist and doesn't show up when you do as suggested. systemctl list-unit-files -t target In F18, it did exist ,,, snip ... so is this worth a bugzilla? it doesn't *hurt* anything, but if it's a leftover, it's worth cleaning out. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
another systemd oddity: why is syslog.socket inactive when syslog is running?
just another one of those little curiosities -- playing on my f20 system and the difference between: $ systemctl list-sockets $ systemctl list-sockets --all is the single additional line: /run/systemd/journal/syslog syslog.socketrsyslog.service which seems odd when syslog is clearly running: # systemctl status syslog rsyslog.service - System Logging Service Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/rsyslog.service; enabled) Active: active (running) since Sat 2014-02-01 17:44:36 EST; 3 days ago Main PID: 654 (rsyslogd) CGroup: /system.slice/rsyslog.service └─654 /sbin/rsyslogd -n ... snip ... # so why would the syslog socket be classified as inactive while the syslog service is running? is this another remnant from earlier releases? still digging into systemd so it's entirely possible this is a stupid question. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: confused by inactive dead syslog.target on fedora 20
On 02/05/14 16:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 5 Feb 2014, Ed Greshko wrote: On 02/05/14 05:22, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just digging into systemd (so be prepared for several potentially silly questions), and i was playing with some variations of listing systemctl services, and i ran: # systemctl list-units -t target --all and everything looked fine other than this line: syslog.target not-found inactive dead syslog.target at the moment, syslog is running fine as a *service*, it seems ok ... so what does it mean that syslog.target is classified as inactive and dead? Seems to me like a remnant. As you can see syslog.target does not exist and doesn't show up when you do as suggested. systemctl list-unit-files -t target In F18, it did exist ,,, snip ... so is this worth a bugzilla? it doesn't *hurt* anything, but if it's a leftover, it's worth cleaning out. IMO, it couldn't hurt to file one. -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 and VmWare
On 04/02/14 20:42, Rick Stevens wrote: For VMware Workstation 10 there's no patch needed. Or at least I haven't needed one. I'm running Windows 7 in a VM with no issues. I run Win7 and Win8 using libvirt straight out of the box on 64-bit F19 with no issues. Granted, I don't do anything fancy with Windows (I only use it when the bosses hold a gun to my head and even then I protest a lot). I haven't moved up to F20 yet. It scares me a bit. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ri...@alldigital.com - Well maybe VMware 10 is different? It was installed from VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.x86_64.txt, bought from an on-line vendor that appeared to be legit. Harry Reindl seemed to know where to find the patch, never indicated it was unusual to have to do? When I start VMware, from the XFCE menu, now I get only an error message block that says: Before you can run VMware several modules must be compiled and installed in the running kernel, Cancel/Install I can click on Install and nothing happens after that, just a bare desktop display, no activity on-line in my router real time display so it's not trying to download anything from them? From the command line: [bobg@box10 ~]$ vmware Logging to /tmp/vmware-bobg/vmware-modconfig-4445.log and then the same error message block pops up. I used it to run F-20 beta and this released version for a while from F-19 before doing this F-20 install and each updated kernel required a patch, e.g. 3.10 to 3.11 to 3.12 etc. Does that indicate a problem with my VMware install, am I unique? I bought it not expecting those problems and I believe they offer an upgrade for additional money which I would hesitate to buy knowing what I know now ... I would appreciate hearing that I've done something wrong, contact with their sales operation before I bought it was not productive. Still waiting for a call back many months later ... Thanks, Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Box10 Fedora-20/64bit Linux/XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 and VmWare
On 02/04/2014 06:10 PM, Ambrogio De Lorenzo wrote: I'm changing my PC (from an old Fedora 14) and I installed Fedora 20. I need to have a Windows virtual machine Hi Ambrogio, I was on the same boat: using F14 until a couple of weeks ago (avoiding GNOM3 mainly) but now I'm using F20 along with the Linux native virtualization technologies (KVM, qemu etc). I use virt-manager (GUI frontend) where you can create/clone/delete/snapshot your VMs as you like. That's where I run my Windows VMs and I really don't miss any of the VMware Workstation or VirtualBox features. I suggest you give it a try. There's also a fedora-virt mailing list if you need help. -- Jorge -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: another systemd oddity: why is syslog.socket inactive when syslog is running?
On 02/05/14 17:06, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just another one of those little curiosities -- playing on my f20 system and the difference between: $ systemctl list-sockets $ systemctl list-sockets --all is the single additional line: /run/systemd/journal/syslog syslog.socketrsyslog.service which seems odd when syslog is clearly running: # systemctl status syslog rsyslog.service - System Logging Service Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/rsyslog.service; enabled) Active: active (running) since Sat 2014-02-01 17:44:36 EST; 3 days ago Main PID: 654 (rsyslogd) CGroup: /system.slice/rsyslog.service └─654 /sbin/rsyslogd -n ... snip ... # so why would the syslog socket be classified as inactive while the syslog service is running? is this another remnant from earlier releases? still digging into systemd so it's entirely possible this is a stupid question. Well If you look at /lib/systemd/system/cups.socket you'll see [Socket] ListenStream=/var/run/cups/cups.sock and [root@meimei system]# file /var/run/cups/cups.sock /var/run/cups/cups.sock: socket Shows the existence of the socket. But looking in syslog.socket you'll see [Socket] ListenDatagram=/run/systemd/journal/syslog and [root@meimei system]# file /run/systemd/journal/syslog /run/systemd/journal/syslog: ERROR: cannot open `/run/systemd/journal/syslog' (No such file or directory) So, it would seem that particular socket it not created/in use for whatever particular reason. I'm not much into the differences/history between syslog, rsyslog interactions with journald but the answer probably lies there. -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 and VmWare
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 05:19 -0500, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 04/02/14 20:42, Rick Stevens wrote: For VMware Workstation 10 there's no patch needed. Or at least I haven't needed one. I'm running Windows 7 in a VM with no issues. I run Win7 and Win8 using libvirt straight out of the box on 64-bit F19 with no issues. Granted, I don't do anything fancy with Windows (I only use it when the bosses hold a gun to my head and even then I protest a lot). I haven't moved up to F20 yet. It scares me a bit. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ri...@alldigital.com - Well maybe VMware 10 is different? It was installed from VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.x86_64.txt, bought from an on-line vendor that appeared to be legit. Harry Reindl seemed to know where to find the patch, never indicated it was unusual to have to do? When I start VMware, from the XFCE menu, now I get only an error message block that says: Before you can run VMware several modules must be compiled and installed in the running kernel, Cancel/Install I can click on Install and nothing happens after that, just a bare desktop display, no activity on-line in my router real time display so it's not trying to download anything from them? From the command line: [bobg@box10 ~]$ vmware Logging to /tmp/vmware-bobg/vmware-modconfig-4445.log and then the same error message block pops up. I used it to run F-20 beta and this released version for a while from F-19 before doing this F-20 install and each updated kernel required a patch, e.g. 3.10 to 3.11 to 3.12 etc. Does that indicate a problem with my VMware install, am I unique? I bought it not expecting those problems and I believe they offer an upgrade for additional money which I would hesitate to buy knowing what I know now ... I would appreciate hearing that I've done something wrong, contact with their sales operation before I bought it was not productive. Still waiting for a call back many months later ... Thanks, Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Box10 Fedora-20/64bit Linux/XFCE Hi I made some notes to myself last Dec - They may be useful I am running fully updated F20 with VM Workstation 9.0.2 with Windows 7 with no problems. I use USB programmers a lot from the virtual machine and several years ago had to use VMware for them to work. Maybe the alternatives are better now. John 2013_12_27 Compiling patched modules for WS-9.0.2 and kernel 3.12 (F20) - The main source of info is here - also source of vmblock-3.12-patch http://dominator008.com/constructionyard/2013/10/03/vmware-9-0-2-vmblock-patch-for-linux-kernel-3-12/ Other sites http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/plain/vmware-patch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mysticalzerotmp - Remove any lurking versions of vmware workstation vmware-installer -u vmware-workstation - Install version 9.0.2 /global/db/sw/VMware_9.0/VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.x86_64.txt (Python errors given - ignore) It still seems to complete successfully ! - Down load the patches cd /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches wget http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/plain/vmware-patch/vmnet-9.0.2-5.0.2-3.12-3.11-3.10.patch wget https://sites.google.com/site/mysticalzerotmp/vmblock.3.10.patch wget https://sites.google.com/site/mysticalzerotmp/vmblock.3.11.patch wget http://dominator008.com/crate/vmblock-3.12-patch Note the hyphons in vmblock-3.12-patch ! - Apply the patches cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source tar -xvf vmblock.tar cd vmblock-only patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmblock.3.10.patch patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmblock.3.11.patch patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmblock-3.12-patch cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source tar -cf vmblock.tar vmblock-only rm -rf vmblock-only tar -xvf vmnet.tar cd vmnet-only patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmnet-9.0.2-5.0.2-3.12-3.11-3.10.patch cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source tar -cf vmnet.tar vmnet-only rm -rf vmnet-only - Build the modules from the CL vmware-modconfig --console --install-all or via gui vmware -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 20 Installation Problem
Good morning everybody. Today I have tried to install Fedora 20 on my Sony SVE1512Y1ESI notebook. First of all I have loaded a .ISO image on my USB pen drive, using very useful UltraISO program. At this point I have restarted my PC and, after appropriate configurations, I have run the Fedora installation which, unfortunately, has hung after just a minute. What do you suggest I should do? I express my early thanks to all people who will know to give me an answer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: BTRFS/Rollback Yum Snapshot Plugin
On 02/03/2014 03:16 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Yes, there are challenges, much of which are the result of unanswered questions. For example: What should the layout be? (See opensuse's layout for an alternative to Fedora's.) How discoverable should this be for mortal users vs experts? How far back should rootfs snapshots be bootable? Should snapshots initially be read-only? Maybe. If a snapshot is rw, and then booted, it's immediately changed, and if it's further changed by being updated or modified by the user, is it really a snapshot of a file tree in a particular state? No. If snapshots are read-only, how do we boot them? What system changes are needed for rootfs to always be ro in normal use, and only made rw when there's a system update? Or alternatively, when doing the rollback, do we make a rw snapshot of the ro snapshot, and boot the rw version? And then how do we clean up all of the ensuing snapshots? These are all excellent questions. Some which I never imagined! Also, the fstab in all of the snapshots are wrong. An unmodified fstab in a snapshot causes the parent subvolume of all snapshots to be mounted, not the snapshot. There are multiple ways to solve this, it's not so much a technical problem as it is a determining best practices by imagining many use cases, and figuring out the liabilities of each potential solution. I haven't follow the openSUSE community for years. Do you think they've nailed most of these issues? or all distros on the same boat ? My impression is that , until it gets to be the default filesystem on most distros, these issues (of rolling back system via snapshots) won't get much attention. Do you agree? Also, /boot quickly will contain updated kernels that can't boot old snapshots because the snapshots only contain older kernel modules. So that implies /boot needs snapshotting. Or we need limited snapshot/rollback to maybe just one older kernel. The main holdup for /boot on Btrfs is an old grubby bug RHBZ# 864198. Also, the freedesktop bootloaderspec calls for $BOOT being a non-snapshotable file system, while also being too small to accumulate many kernel+initramfs files so that old snapshots can be booted. Interesting stuff about /boot. For what it's worth, currently both the yum plugin and snapper presume the parent subvols are the ones persistently used and modified; the snapshots are children and in normal operation aren't ever used. If a rollback is needed, it's the child snapshots that are used. This isn't the only way to do it. It's equally valid to snapshot the parent, modify and use the child in normal operation, and rollback to the parent. An advantage is that the parent subvol name and its fstab are already properly in sync, the child snapshot subvolume(s) of course have new names and are used in the modified fstab. At this point I don't see any value for the yum plugin. It simply does the autoamtic snapshotting before applying updates. It flies the airplaine but doesn't land it. That is, the advanced user who knows how to: modify GRUB, fstab, specify subvolume, in order to rollback its system, already knows how to create the snapshot in the first place. I haven't played with snapper. I don't know if it just a tool to create/delete/manage/rotate snapshots or if it automates all of these things in order to rollback your system. I'm still learning the basics of btrs so I wanted to avoid any front-end tools. Note also that opensuse has a different layout for all of this than Fedora. They make the default subvolume ID 5 (the top level of the Btrfs file system, the first subvolume, the one that can't be deleted or named) the parent and mount it at /. And then create the following subvolumes: boot/grub2/x86_64-efi home opt srv tmp usr/local var/crash var/log var/opt var/spool var/tmp Interesting. I think Fedora's way looks more simple. I guess there are pros cons for each. So which is the more discoverable layout? Well it depends on one's point of view. The expert who mounts a Fedora install on Btrfs doesn't see the linux FHS, and becomes confused initially. They see what looks like two directories: root and home (on Fedora 19 they might also see boot if they opted to put /boot on Btrfs). Because the mount command doesn't show the subvolume that's mounted, the assembly of the on-disk layout into the mounted file system isn't obvious. It only becomes clear once understanding subvolumes can be (almost completely) independently mounted, and looking at /etc/fstab which shows the subvol= mount option. Anyway, point is, even in the infant stage of Btrfs as a root file system, two distros have two completely different layouts and snapshotting behaviors. I've argued that we need some interdistro conversation on something like an FHS addenda that tackles some standardization or best practices for how to organize such file systems and their snapshots. It probably should also
Re: BTRFS/Rollback Yum Snapshot Plugin
On 02/03/2014 03:16 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: It seems to me that there will be some error message in the log as the (stale) fstab tries to do a rw mount of a different subvol on top of the one specified by rootflags=. Or maybe it succeeds silently, I haven't recently tested this scenario. Yes, I wondered about this. I even questioned the purpose of specifying the root filesystem in fstab since it is already present as a kernel parameter in GRUB. Is this the flow of events? - kernel mounts read-only the root filesystem specified as kernel parameter in GRUB - init/systemd reads fstab and remounts root-filesystem read-write (along with specified mount options) Thanks, Jorge -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 Installation Problem
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 11:13:55AM +, L.G. wrote: Today I have tried to install Fedora 20 on my Sony SVE1512Y1ESI notebook. First of all I have loaded a .ISO image on my USB pen drive, using very useful UltraISO program. At this point I have restarted my PC and, after appropriate configurations, I have run the Fedora installation which, unfortunately, has hung after just a minute. What do you suggest I should do? What is on the screen when it hangs? -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project--mat...@fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sound works randomly?
On Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:07:51 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: but if I run mplayer or youtube in google-chrome, I still get no sound. I've been doing more experiments. I made a brand new user and logged in as him. He can get sound from mplayer and youtube, but only when logging into a gnome session. If I login to a KDE session, I can't get any sound from anything (perhaps because I simply can't find the volume control in KDE and everything is muted?) Since I new user worked, I tried moving my .config directory in my original user and logging in with a blank .config, but I still get no sound in mplayer. It is still totally mysterious. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sound works randomly?
On 02/05/14 20:27, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:07:51 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: but if I run mplayer or youtube in google-chrome, I still get no sound. I've been doing more experiments. I made a brand new user and logged in as him. He can get sound from mplayer and youtube, but only when logging into a gnome session. If I login to a KDE session, I can't get any sound from anything (perhaps because I simply can't find the volume control in KDE and everything is muted?) Since I new user worked, I tried moving my .config directory in my original user and logging in with a blank .config, but I still get no sound in mplayer. It is still totally mysterious. I don't recall seeing any mention of your system's sound capabilities. In my case of I have 2 potential sound outputs one is a built-in Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio while the other is Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GK106 HDMI Audio Controller located on my Graphics card...which is disconnected. I use KDE. As such, to ensure I get sound under KDE I would have to bring up systemsettings go to Multimedia---Audio and Video Settings and ensure that Built-in Audio Analog Stereo is at the top of the preference list for the playback. If HDMI is at the top, no soundof course. -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sound works randomly?
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:47:27 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: I use KDE. As such, to ensure I get sound under KDE I would have to bring up systemsettings go to Multimedia---Audio and Video Settings and ensure that Built-in Audio Analog Stereo is at the top of the preference list for the playback. If HDMI is at the top, no soundof course. Yea, I found that one and made HDMI the default (which is the only sound I have connected), but I didn't see any controls for setting volume level or muting/unmuting anywhere. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sound works randomly?
On 02/05/14 20:53, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:47:27 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: I use KDE. As such, to ensure I get sound under KDE I would have to bring up systemsettings go to Multimedia---Audio and Video Settings and ensure that Built-in Audio Analog Stereo is at the top of the preference list for the playback. If HDMI is at the top, no soundof course. Yea, I found that one and made HDMI the default (which is the only sound I have connected), but I didn't see any controls for setting volume level or muting/unmuting anywhere. For that I simply use pavucontrol. I use that instead of kmix since it allows me to place the volume at 153%. -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Virt-Manager with MacVTap not working?
Hello, I've setup a VM with default networking (NAT) and this works fine but hosts on my LAN can't get to the VM since it uses NAT. When I try to set network to use MacVTap with either default or bridged I get no networking for the VM. Any hints around this? I would like to have the VM's on the same LAN as my other machines. I don't care if the VM host can't reach the guests. -- john -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Text selection and mouse button sensitivity
It is the older trackball with the ball on the left. I have one at work with the ball in the center. In any case, the latest update seemed to have alleviated the problem. Not sure what the issue was.. On 02/04/2014 05:45 PM, g wrote: hello jerry, On 02/04/2014 11:45 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: On 02/01/2014 08:45 PM, g wrote: On 02/01/2014 05:57 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: On 02/01/2014 03:14 PM, g wrote: selecting above from you post, presents a question, have you tried using another mouse? That's exactly what I was going to suggest. Over the years I've had many mouse cords go bad right at the point where they enter the mouse body. I usually disassemble the mouse, prune back the cord, and resolder it back together. That fixes the wacky mouse behavior. get a thumb marble and you can forget about having cord problems. you can forget about keeping a mouse arena cleared also. which is one of many reason i got a thumb marble. It is a Logitech Marble Mouse (eg. track ball). ok. as i have stated, i have had no problems with mine. and only maintenance is cleaning the 3 points the ball rolls on. every couple months, i do clean the lens in bottom area. there are 2 types: thumb, with marble to side - now called ball palm/fingers, with marble in center - now called marble http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs because the names have changed with introduction of 'palm', which model, part number, and serial number? are you using standard mouse driver or something logitech related? only time that i have used logitech driver was with oos to emulate scroll wheel. have yet to set up emulation with linux. [see links below] running an update may have included mouse driver. did you check for that? have you checked your settings? from my bookmarks collection, if you care to read them, ubuntu forums and linux questions have pages on configuring logitech mice; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219894s=b2117097c76b9a814d33baf3ac8cb230 https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/logitech-trackball-problem-116297/ if you happen to have m570 [which i am doubting]; http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Mice-and-Pointing-Devices/M570-and-Linux/td-p/545324 using xorg.conf and XF86Config; http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/xorg-conf-and-logitech-trackman-marble-mouse-914884/ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/fine-tuning-logitech-marble-mouse-trackball-186348/ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/logitech-ps-2-mouse-jumps-in-x-197831/ scroll wheel emulation; http://blog.karssen.org/2010/09/11/linux-the-logitech-trackman-marble-and-emulating-a-scroll-wheel/ i have more, but i do not want to load the list down. :-) -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id:3BC1EB90 PGP Key fingerprint: 49E2 C52A FC5A A31F 8D66 C0AF 7CEA 30FC 3BC1 EB90 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Most recent iso file for installing F20
Dear All, I would like to install F20. Is there some iso file more recent than the one made available at the release date of F20? If so, where can one download it? Thanks in advance, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Virt-Manager with MacVTap not working?
On 02/05/2014 10:29 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: I've setup a VM with default networking (NAT) and this works fine but hosts on my LAN can't get to the VM since it uses NAT. There are two possible scenarios that I can think of: - Keep using the default networking (NAT) but you'll have to create some port-forwarding rules so that X port on your host gets forwarded to Y port on your VM and so on. Search for firewalld forward... - Change the default networking mode to Bridge and therefore all your VMs (along with your host) share the same physical network. I haven't done this in Fedora 20 (with NetworkManager/firewalld etc) so I can't tell you out of my mind a quick way to do it. I haven't use Macvtap so don't know much about it. -- Jorge -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: BTRFS/Rollback Yum Snapshot Plugin
On Feb 5, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Jorge Fábregas jorge.fabre...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't follow the openSUSE community for years. Do you think they've nailed most of these issues? or all distros on the same boat ? I'd say it's all pretty much up in the air. openSUSE uses snapper by default, so they take snapshots right before and right after an update. But it also has some interactivity, so you can list things and say you want to rollback to a certain state/time and it will do that for you. My impression is that , until it gets to be the default filesystem on most distros, these issues (of rolling back system via snapshots) won't get much attention. Do you agree? Yes. It's going to be like a first time cattle rustle. It's not like you get to do a trial run for practice. When you do one for real, some people simply are going to get broken legs. The lack of urgency on many issues is due to it not being default. But everyone keeps at least two pristine backups, right? And they've done a full blown restore procedure to confirm both backup strategies are really working (i.e. restorable), right? At this point I don't see any value for the yum plugin. It simply does the autoamtic snapshotting before applying updates. It flies the airplaine but doesn't land it. That is, the advanced user who knows how to: modify GRUB, fstab, specify subvolume, in order to rollback its system, already knows how to create the snapshot in the first place. It's a good proof of concept. But it is a bit like a game of cards with just a dealer. But that just means we need some decisions on other details, and find someone to implement them! I haven't played with snapper. I don't know if it just a tool to create/delete/manage/rotate snapshots or if it automates all of these things in order to rollback your system. I'm still learning the basics of btrs so I wanted to avoid any front-end tools. It automates some of this, I'm not sure of the extent by which it ages snapshots and cleans them up. It doesn't automatically do rollbacks, but if you tell it to go back to a state then it uses those snapshots to do it. I don't know for sure, but I think, by default it will rollback just the system, separate from home. That's the default behavior we'd probably want. And yes it's understandable to use the btrfs tools directly to gain familiarity. Note also that opensuse has a different layout for all of this than Fedora. They make the default subvolume ID 5 (the top level of the Btrfs file system, the first subvolume, the one that can't be deleted or named) the parent and mount it at /. And then create the following subvolumes: boot/grub2/x86_64-efi home opt srv tmp usr/local var/crash var/log var/opt var/spool var/tmp Interesting. I think Fedora's way looks more simple. I guess there are pros cons for each. It's all about granularity of what should be rolled back and when. The Fedora method is simple. If we rollback all of root that's pretty safe from a strictly system rollback perspective, but it does mean you're also rolling back logs (which users may expect, I'm not sure), and if you're running a server it means rolling back /var/spool which actually may be a problem if mail is stored there. While I think the FHS needs updating (it's 10 years old), the reality is there's no way to organize the file system for a one size fits all snapshot-rollback policy. The data loss [1] with a single policy would almost always be unacceptable. A bad update might take an hour, day, or even a week to realize that a rollback is a good way to solve the problem, in the meantime /home has accumulated valuable user data. The simplest practical policy, is a dual policy: rollback /home, or rollback everything except /home. It only gets more involved there, i.e. there isn't such a thing is one kind of rollback. It'll depend on the circumstances. [1] Not really lost, it's just not available. It's in a snapshot somewhere. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Virt-Manager with MacVTap not working?
2014-02-05 Jorge Fábregas jorge.fabre...@gmail.com: On 02/05/2014 10:29 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: I've setup a VM with default networking (NAT) and this works fine but hosts on my LAN can't get to the VM since it uses NAT. There are two possible scenarios that I can think of: - Keep using the default networking (NAT) but you'll have to create some port-forwarding rules so that X port on your host gets forwarded to Y port on your VM and so on. Search for firewalld forward... - Change the default networking mode to Bridge and therefore all your VMs (along with your host) share the same physical network. I haven't done this in Fedora 20 (with NetworkManager/firewalld etc) so I can't tell you out of my mind a quick way to do it. I haven't use Macvtap so don't know much about it. I did use MacVTap in F19 and that worked fine out of the box. Hmm... I'd prefer to use MacVTap. Anyone else? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 2 TB Seagate Drive ??
On 02/04/2014 02:20 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: On 02/04/2014 01:45 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Fedora 18. Seagate Barracuda 2 TB HDD SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST2000DM001 Has anyone had any experiernce with this hard drive on Linux. YMMV of course, but I've had to replace 2 1TB Seagate Barracudas (I know, not the unit you're asking about) on my NAS (Iomega ix2). One failed after a couple of months, the other about two years later. Luckily the disks were mirrored so I didn't lose anything. I replaced them with WD drives. Also, you might want to look at http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/putting-hard-drive-reliability-to-the-test-shows-not-all-disks-are-equal/ poc Yup! I was going to say that I had bad experiences with Seagate drives and replacements costs money so I dropped Seagate went with Hitachi some years ago! poc has provided the link! The warranty for Hitachi drives are 3 years and gone are drives with 5-year warranties? YMMV and I am (still) running 6x2TB 24/7 without a glitch! You guys have convince me , I ordered a Hitachi 2tb yesterday. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Most recent iso file for installing F20
Allegedly, on or about 05 February 2014, Paul Smith sent: I would like to install F20. Is there some iso file more recent than the one made available at the release date of F20? If so, where can one download it? The release ISO is the release ISO, it doesn't get updated revisions. Any updates of the packages, are done after installation. They don't make newer ISOs with updated packages. There are *different* ISOs, which would probably all be built from the same packages, the differences between them being the sets of packages included in it - a release for a Gnome installation, an alternative for a XFCE release, et cetera. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sound works randomly?
Allegedly, on or about 05 February 2014, Ed Greshko sent: For that I simply use pavucontrol. I use that instead of kmix since it allows me to place the volume at 153%. Caution with that... It works well, for dealing with too-quiet audio (audio that never, originally, reached maximum output, can be boosted up to maximum). But as soon as you play something that already was at full level, you're trying to boost it beyond what it can be boosted without heavy distortion, and it sounds awful. Not to mention painful. I've experienced that once too often. If you have recurring problems with playing very quiet audio, it may be worth finding a player that can do automatic gain adjustment. Boosting low audio up to a better level, and not boosting already loud audio. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Text selection and mouse button sensitivity
Allegedly, on or about 04 February 2014, Ed Greshko sent: Never a problem here. Keyboard/mouse retain connection no matter what. I even take the keyboard out of reception range to vacuum out the cat hair while the system is up and bring it back and it reestablishes connection without problem. Just lucky I guess Could well be... Tell us the model, so the next person who wants to get a reliable one has a fighting chance. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Text selection and mouse button sensitivity
Allegedly, on or about 04 February 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan sent: I've had poor results from Logitech BT mice (mechanical problems, several have failed after a few months of use). The mouse I keep repairing is a cheap basic Logitech. I've dirtied my other computer with a cheap Microsoft mouse that seems quite good, other than the chunkiness of the mouse wheel rotation. Unfortunately around here, if I want to go out to a shop and buy a mouse, my choices seem to be stupidly expensive gamer's mice covered in buttons, or weird cheapo brands that look like they're made of horrible cheap plastic. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: BTRFS/Rollback Yum Snapshot Plugin
On Feb 5, 2014, at 4:24 AM, Jorge Fábregas jorge.fabre...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/03/2014 03:16 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: It seems to me that there will be some error message in the log as the (stale) fstab tries to do a rw mount of a different subvol on top of the one specified by rootflags=. Or maybe it succeeds silently, I haven't recently tested this scenario. Yes, I wondered about this. I even questioned the purpose of specifying the root filesystem in fstab since it is already present as a kernel parameter in GRUB. Is this the flow of events? - kernel mounts read-only the root filesystem specified as kernel parameter in GRUB - init/systemd reads fstab and remounts root-filesystem read-write (along with specified mount options) Yes. It's a throwback from when file systems needed an fsck to even determine if they had a problem, and then to fix them, because they didn't have journals. man fsck.xfs It's not really doing an fsck at all. The unattended repair from crash or unclean mount is done at mount time by the XFS kernel code replaying the journal. If that doesn't work, then user involvement is needed because chances are it's a hardware problem: bad sector read errors, flaky controller cable, bad RAM, a LUN has died. In which case there may be real file system damage, but that's what xfs_repair is for. First, every physical device that makes up the file system needs to be present and working, and then probably best to do a dry run through with xfs_repair -n. But even if you don't, if you haven't first tried to mount XFS, xfs_repair will say sorry, do not collect $200, go back and mount the file system so the journal can be replayed, unmount, and then run me. Btrfs is similar in concept but there are a lot more things to try before running btrfs repair (which is what btrfsck points to these days). There isn't even an fsck.btrfs placeholder. Before running btrfs repair, one should try mount option recovery. If it's multiple devices, then try mount option degraded. And btrfs repair should be preceded with btrfs check and posting those results to linux-btrfs@. The repair tool is practically a last resort and sometimes still can make things worse. I'm not sure where ext4 repair code in the kernel is at, but like XFS it has a journal and is designed to mostly repair itself from crashes and unclean shutdowns simply by mounting the file system. It may be there's still useful unattended repair code in user space fsck.ext4. So yeah, we probably could safely mount a Btrfs rootfs rw from the get go, and apply mount options with rootflags= as a boot parameter, and forego an fstab entry. I've done this quite a bit as a test so I know it works. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 and VmWare
On 05/02/14 05:57, John Austin wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 05:19 -0500, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 04/02/14 20:42, Rick Stevens wrote: For VMware Workstation 10 there's no patch needed. Or at least I haven't needed one. I'm running Windows 7 in a VM with no issues. I run Win7 and Win8 using libvirt straight out of the box on 64-bit F19 with no issues. Granted, I don't do anything fancy with Windows (I only use it when the bosses hold a gun to my head and even then I protest a lot). I haven't moved up to F20 yet. It scares me a bit. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ri...@alldigital.com - Well maybe VMware 10 is different? It was installed from VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.x86_64.txt, bought from an on-line vendor that appeared to be legit. Harry Reindl seemed to know where to find the patch, never indicated it was unusual to have to do? When I start VMware, from the XFCE menu, now I get only an error message block that says: Before you can run VMware several modules must be compiled and installed in the running kernel, Cancel/Install I can click on Install and nothing happens after that, just a bare desktop display, no activity on-line in my router real time display so it's not trying to download anything from them? From the command line: [bobg@box10 ~]$ vmware Logging to /tmp/vmware-bobg/vmware-modconfig-4445.log and then the same error message block pops up. I used it to run F-20 beta and this released version for a while from F-19 before doing this F-20 install and each updated kernel required a patch, e.g. 3.10 to 3.11 to 3.12 etc. Does that indicate a problem with my VMware install, am I unique? I bought it not expecting those problems and I believe they offer an upgrade for additional money which I would hesitate to buy knowing what I know now ... I would appreciate hearing that I've done something wrong, contact with their sales operation before I bought it was not productive. Still waiting for a call back many months later ... Thanks, Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Box10 Fedora-20/64bit Linux/XFCE Hi I made some notes to myself last Dec - They may be useful I am running fully updated F20 with VM Workstation 9.0.2 with Windows 7 with no problems. I use USB programmers a lot from the virtual machine and several years ago had to use VMware for them to work. Maybe the alternatives are better now. John 2013_12_27 Compiling patched modules for WS-9.0.2 and kernel 3.12 (F20) - The main source of info is here - also source of vmblock-3.12-patch http://dominator008.com/constructionyard/2013/10/03/vmware-9-0-2-vmblock-patch-for-linux-kernel-3-12/ Other sites http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/plain/vmware-patch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mysticalzerotmp - Remove any lurking versions of vmware workstation vmware-installer -u vmware-workstation - Install version 9.0.2 /global/db/sw/VMware_9.0/VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.x86_64.txt (Python errors given - ignore) It still seems to complete successfully ! - Down load the patches cd /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches wget http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/plain/vmware-patch/vmnet-9.0.2-5.0.2-3.12-3.11-3.10.patch wget https://sites.google.com/site/mysticalzerotmp/vmblock.3.10.patch wget https://sites.google.com/site/mysticalzerotmp/vmblock.3.11.patch wget http://dominator008.com/crate/vmblock-3.12-patch Note the hyphons in vmblock-3.12-patch ! - Apply the patches cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source tar -xvf vmblock.tar cd vmblock-only patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmblock.3.10.patch patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmblock.3.11.patch patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmblock-3.12-patch cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source tar -cf vmblock.tar vmblock-only rm -rf vmblock-only tar -xvf vmnet.tar cd vmnet-only patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmnet-9.0.2-5.0.2-3.12-3.11-3.10.patch cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source tar -cf vmnet.tar vmnet-only rm -rf vmnet-only - Build the modules from the CL vmware-modconfig --console --install-all or via gui vmware Well I thank you for the information but I can't believe any rational Fedora Linux user would want to go through this to use VMware! Since this is a new installation on a new Linux release it appears I would have to run the patches for the earlier kernels first? At this point I don't even want to run it running kernel: [bobg@box10 ~]$ uname -a Linux box10 3.12.9-301.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 29 15:56:22
Re: Text selection and mouse button sensitivity
On 02/06/14 00:57, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 04 February 2014, Ed Greshko sent: Never a problem here. Keyboard/mouse retain connection no matter what. I even take the keyboard out of reception range to vacuum out the cat hair while the system is up and bring it back and it reestablishes connection without problem. Just lucky I guess Could well be... Tell us the model, so the next person who wants to get a reliable one has a fighting chance. I think the mouse is an M310 or M318. The sticker on the bottom is rather frayed. Not sure what the keyboard is as the sticker on it is gonebut they came together and are both just very basic models. -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Most recent iso file for installing F20
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2014 14:57:53 Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, I would like to install F20. Is there some iso file more recent than the one made available at the release date of F20? If so, where can one download it? Thanks in advance, Paul the best way to get the most recent packages when installing I think is to get the net install iso then it should pull all the latest rpm's and a yum update after install should say nothing to do Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 and VmWare
On 2/5/2014 1:57 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 05/02/14 05:57, John Austin wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 05:19 -0500, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 04/02/14 20:42, Rick Stevens wrote: For VMware Workstation 10 there's no patch needed. Or at least I haven't needed one. I'm running Windows 7 in a VM with no issues. I run Win7 and Win8 using libvirt straight out of the box on 64-bit F19 with no issues. Granted, I don't do anything fancy with Windows (I only use it when the bosses hold a gun to my head and even then I protest a lot). I haven't moved up to F20 yet. It scares me a bit. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ri...@alldigital.com - Well maybe VMware 10 is different? It was installed from VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.x86_64.txt, bought from an on-line vendor that appeared to be legit. Harry Reindl seemed to know where to find the patch, never indicated it was unusual to have to do? When I start VMware, from the XFCE menu, now I get only an error message block that says: Before you can run VMware several modules must be compiled and installed in the running kernel, Cancel/Install I can click on Install and nothing happens after that, just a bare desktop display, no activity on-line in my router real time display so it's not trying to download anything from them? From the command line: [bobg@box10 ~]$ vmware Logging to /tmp/vmware-bobg/vmware-modconfig-4445.log and then the same error message block pops up. I used it to run F-20 beta and this released version for a while from F-19 before doing this F-20 install and each updated kernel required a patch, e.g. 3.10 to 3.11 to 3.12 etc. Does that indicate a problem with my VMware install, am I unique? I bought it not expecting those problems and I believe they offer an upgrade for additional money which I would hesitate to buy knowing what I know now ... I would appreciate hearing that I've done something wrong, contact with their sales operation before I bought it was not productive. Still waiting for a call back many months later ... Thanks, Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Box10 Fedora-20/64bit Linux/XFCE Hi I made some notes to myself last Dec - They may be useful I am running fully updated F20 with VM Workstation 9.0.2 with Windows 7 with no problems. I use USB programmers a lot from the virtual machine and several years ago had to use VMware for them to work. Maybe the alternatives are better now. John 2013_12_27 Compiling patched modules for WS-9.0.2 and kernel 3.12 (F20) - The main source of info is here - also source of vmblock-3.12-patch http://dominator008.com/constructionyard/2013/10/03/vmware-9-0-2-vmblock-patch-for-linux-kernel-3-12/ Other sites http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/plain/vmware-patch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mysticalzerotmp - Remove any lurking versions of vmware workstation vmware-installer -u vmware-workstation - Install version 9.0.2 /global/db/sw/VMware_9.0/VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.x86_64.txt (Python errors given - ignore) It still seems to complete successfully ! - Down load the patches cd /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches wget http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/plain/vmware-patch/vmnet-9.0.2-5.0.2-3.12-3.11-3.10.patch wget https://sites.google.com/site/mysticalzerotmp/vmblock.3.10.patch wget https://sites.google.com/site/mysticalzerotmp/vmblock.3.11.patch wget http://dominator008.com/crate/vmblock-3.12-patch Note the hyphons in vmblock-3.12-patch ! - Apply the patches cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source tar -xvf vmblock.tar cd vmblock-only patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmblock.3.10.patch patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmblock.3.11.patch patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmblock-3.12-patch cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source tar -cf vmblock.tar vmblock-only rm -rf vmblock-only tar -xvf vmnet.tar cd vmnet-only patch -p1 -i /global/db/sw/F20/VMware_Patches/vmnet-9.0.2-5.0.2-3.12-3.11-3.10.patch cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source tar -cf vmnet.tar vmnet-only rm -rf vmnet-only - Build the modules from the CL vmware-modconfig --console --install-all or via gui vmware Well I thank you for the information but I can't believe any rational Fedora Linux user would want to go through this to use VMware! Since this is a new installation on a new Linux release it appears I would have to run the patches for the earlier
Re: Text selection and mouse button sensitivity
hello again, On 02/05/2014 08:52 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: It is the older trackball with the ball on the left. I have one at work with the ball in the center. In any case, the latest update seemed to have alleviated the problem. Not sure what the issue was.. great. glad to hear you have your trackball working again and that it was software related. i have been considering installing f20 and it now looks like i may do so. i will be sure to have all updates installed before i start using it. i had forgotten about the ubuntuforums.org link until i checked my bookmarks and found it. thinking again about link, i checked it again and it is for the 4 button trackman marble, such, maybe as what you have at work. i ran a new search with tighter params and found some more links for logitech thumb ball. among them is one for 4 button trackman marble, later and better than link i posted. contact me off list if you want them. keep you balls rolling. ;-) -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 and VmWare
On 05/02/14 14:54, David wrote: In an earlier message you named the program and it ended with '.txt'. '.txt' is not an executable file it would be a 'text' document for Windows. IIRC the Linux version of VMware ends with '.bunch' Or something similar to that. -- David That is an application that downloads and installs [as best I can remember] VMware. You pay your money and get a key and that. It works and produces an install ... In fact now that I think about it the first month was a free trial. Everything is fine until the Kernel updates. I don't recall if I had to get a patch to get it working initially, probably did? Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Box10 Fedora-20/64bit Linux/XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 and VmWare
On 05.02.2014 19:57, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: … If it was readily available I would run the patch for 3.12, but I haven't had much success finding it and even then when the next kernel comes along I'm back searching for a patch again. It's not worth it to me as long as virtualbox works. I just made a bad purchase, it's another company I will avoid. The application appears to be intended primarily for Windows users who need to run Linux, etc. Linux users are not supported. Am I wrong? http://partnerweb.vmware.com/comp_guide2/pdf/VMware_HOS_Compatibility_Guide.pdf Do you see reference to Fedora? ;) Once upon a time I was playing with this freeware, https://www.vmware.com/support/server2/doc/releasenotes_vmserver202.html End of General Support - June 30, 2011. Great experience! However, you already have a choice to use Libvirt/QEMU-KVM/Virtual Machine Manager/Boxes/WhatNot and VirtualBox, so. Besides, here I didn't notice an explanation of why people use VMware and not the other two solutions, in the first place. poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 and VmWare
On 05/02/14 15:42, poma wrote: The application appears to be intended primarily for Windows users who need to run Linux, etc. Linux users are not supported. Am I wrong? http://partnerweb.vmware.com/comp_guide2/pdf/VMware_HOS_Compatibility_Guide.pdf Do you see reference to Fedora?;) Once upon a time I was playing with this freeware, https://www.vmware.com/support/server2/doc/releasenotes_vmserver202.html End of General Support - June 30, 2011. Great experience! However, you already have a choice to use Libvirt/QEMU-KVM/Virtual Machine Manager/Boxes/WhatNot and VirtualBox, so. Besides, here I didn't notice an explanation of why people use VMware and not the other two solutions, in the first place. I just assumed it would be better than the free open source application. Maybe it is but I don't see much difference. I believe VMware deals with the mouse/cursor a bit more conveniently, less messing with the right CTRL key. :-\ poma Ok, so more specifically, Fedora Linux users are not supported, I guess I need a Centos 6 computer which is what I was shooting for a few days ago. I need to partition the other computer with its' terabyte drive. I haven't done that yet, it runs F-19 and I want to be certain I have all the needed information extracted from it. Thanks, Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Box10 Fedora-20/64bit Linux/XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
virtualization on f20
Hi all, Just tried fedora 20 running off a 1G thumb drive and am impressed with its speed. Looks like a lot of things are coming together. Good job. I'm most interested in virtualization. yum didn't show any package groups related to that and I didn't find much in the release notes. Anybody know where that stuff is? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: virtualization on f20
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014, Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, Just tried fedora 20 running off a 1G thumb drive and am impressed with its speed. Looks like a lot of things are coming together. Good job. I'm most interested in virtualization. yum didn't show any package groups related to that and I didn't find much in the release notes. $ yum grouplist hidden rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Text selection and mouse button sensitivity
On 02/05/2014 11:38 AM, Ed Greshko issued this missive: On 02/06/14 00:57, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 04 February 2014, Ed Greshko sent: Never a problem here. Keyboard/mouse retain connection no matter what. I even take the keyboard out of reception range to vacuum out the cat hair while the system is up and bring it back and it reestablishes connection without problem. Just lucky I guess Could well be... Tell us the model, so the next person who wants to get a reliable one has a fighting chance. I think the mouse is an M310 or M318. The sticker on the bottom is rather frayed. Not sure what the keyboard is as the sticker on it is gonebut they came together and are both just very basic models. I use a Logitech Wave wireless keyboard and laser mouse (they came as a bundle). Uses a USB dongle to work (RF, I think). Mouse has five buttons (one on each side, one on each side of the wheel, and depressing the wheel is another button). Never had a problem (other than batteries dying). -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - LOOK OUT!!! BEHIND YOU!!! - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Playing commercial DVDs in Fedora 20 [SOLVED]
On 2/3/2014 8:16 PM, g wrote: If it's bad then make it good. bad can be _good_. like, bad ass software. like, bad to the bone. bad as _good_ just depends on which side of the big pond you are from. For the eternal law is that there is no good without bad, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two; bad being necessary for good to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive….;-) (modified Albert Pike quote) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 and VmWare
On 05.02.2014 22:57, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: I just assumed it would be better than the free open source application. Maybe it is but I don't see much difference. I believe VMware deals with the mouse/cursor a bit more conveniently, less messing with the right CTRL key. :-\ Ok, so more specifically, Fedora Linux users are not supported, I guess I need a Centos 6 computer which is what I was shooting for a few days ago. I need to partition the other computer with its' terabyte drive. I haven't done that yet, it runs F-19 and I want to be certain I have all the needed information extracted from it. http://partnerweb.vmware.com/comp_guide2/pdf/VMware_HOS_Compatibility_Guide.pdf Host OS Compatibility Guide CentOS 6 64-Bit Host OS Support Release Supported Releases … CentOS 6.2 Workstation9.0, 10.0 CentOS 6.3 Workstation9.0, 10.0 - CentOS 6.4 Workstation10.0 … http://mirror.centos.org/centos/6.3/readme This directory (and version of CentOS) is depreciated. For normal users, you should use /6/ and not /6.3/ in your path. Please see this FAQ concerning the CentOS release scheme: http://www.centos.org/modules/smartfaq/faq.php?faqid=34 If you know what you are doing, and absolutely want to remain at the 6.3 level, go to http://vault.centos.org/ for packages. Please keep in mind that 6.0, 6.1, 6.2 and 6.3 no longer gets any updates, nor any security fix's. EOF This is as close as can be Fedora, ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/rhel/beta/7/x86_64/iso/ kernel-3.10.0-54.0.1.el7.x86_64.rpm poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
