Re: [389-users] Upgrading DS 389 via RPM
I was actually going to use yum update so I am not sure if that does that same as an rpm –U or if I need to re-run the install scripts. Chris Chris Taylor System Administrator Internet Eastlink chris.tay...@corp.eastlink.camailto:%20chris.tay...@corp.eastlink.caT: 519.773.1287 From: 389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Noriko Hosoi Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 4:42 PM To: 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: [389-users] Upgrading DS 389 via RPM If you upgraded with rpm -U ..., it should have been taken care of. If you restart the server, what version string is logged in your /var/log/dirsrv/slapd-ID/errors? Thanks, --noriko Chris Taylor wrote: I am running DC 389 version 1.2.11.15 release 32.el6_5 and want to upgrade via RPM to 34.el6_5. After I run the RPM is there anything else I need to do? Thanks, Chris -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.orgmailto:389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] Upgrading DS 389 via RPM
Hi Chris, You still need to run the 389 setup scripts afterwards, check out this link: http://www.port389.org/docs/389ds/download.html#directory-server-11-and-later Regards, Mark On 09/11/2014 02:15 PM, Chris Taylor wrote: I was actually going to use yum update so I am not sure if that does that same as an rpm –U or if I need to re-run the install scripts. Chris *Chris Taylor System Administrator* Internet Eastlink chris.tay...@corp.eastlink.ca mailto:%20chris.tay...@corp.eastlink.ca*T: *519.773.1287 *From:*389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] *On Behalf Of *Noriko Hosoi *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2014 4:42 PM *To:* 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org *Subject:* Re: [389-users] Upgrading DS 389 via RPM If you upgraded with rpm -U ..., it should have been taken care of. If you restart the server, what version string is logged in your /var/log/dirsrv/slapd-ID/errors? Thanks, --noriko Chris Taylor wrote: I am running DC 389 version 1.2.11.15 release 32.el6_5 and want to upgrade via RPM to 34.el6_5. After I run the RPM is there anything else I need to do? Thanks, Chris -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address
There are other fixes, like disconnecting the gige connection to my laptop docking station. Or maybe turn wifi off and use only the gige. But If i use the laptop away from my desk and come back, the problem will bite once more. Something else i find disconcerting. There must be very few users running Linux on a laptop, with IPv6, with wifi and gige connections. Maybe they just get pissed off and go elsewhere when things like google or facebook fail to load. My biggest problem is maintaining connections to the local kdc and various internal services which present as dual stack. I am seriously quite tempted to disable IPv6 on the subnets to which I connect. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 09/11/14 12:25, Dan Irwin wrote: Hi all, [ Reposted from NetworkManager list as it's kinda quiet over there right now ] Fedora 20 here. nm is 0.9.9.0-41.git20131003. (Old, I know) Network Manager shows em1 Wired as being down. I have em1 configured as down. Yet, I notice the following: # ip -6 r default via fe80::redacted dev wlp2s0 proto static metric 1024 default via fe80::redacted dev em1 proto ra metric 1024 expires 597sec # ifconfig em1 em1: flags=4163UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::redacted prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x20link inet6 2001:redacted prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0global ether redacted txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) RX packets 74900 bytes 5929479 (5.6 MiB) RX errors 0 dropped 862 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 9 bytes 762 (762.0 B) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 device interrupt 20 memory 0xf7e0-f7e2 Down means down, but only for IPv4. I have noticed this for several months, and occasionally, it causes a problem with IPv6 connectivity. Any pointers would be appreciated, before I disable IPv6 completely. Well, when I look at the above and see 4163UP,BROADCAST I get the feeling that NM isn't really marking the interface down. If you were to issue ip link set em1 down it would truly be down. But, that doesn't survive a reboot. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address
On 09/11/14 14:37, Dan Irwin wrote: There are other fixes, like disconnecting the gige connection to my laptop docking station. Or maybe turn wifi off and use only the gige. But If i use the laptop away from my desk and come back, the problem will bite once more. Something else i find disconcerting. There must be very few users running Linux on a laptop, with IPv6, with wifi and gige connections. Maybe they just get pissed off and go elsewhere when things like google or facebook fail to load. My biggest problem is maintaining connections to the local kdc and various internal services which present as dual stack. I am seriously quite tempted to disable IPv6 on the subnets to which I connect. If you only want to disable it on your laptop and/or a given interface you can always edit /etc/sysctl.conf to include this line net.ipv6.conf.interfacename.disable_ipv6=1 -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cups
Thank lpstat -p -d printer Cups-PDF is idle. enabled since Thu 17 Jul 2014 10:37:55 AM CEST printer HP_LaserJet_P1005 is idle. enabled since Wed 10 Sep 2014 07:53:55 PM CEST system default destination: HP_LaserJet_P1005 lpr -P HP_LaserJet_P1005 .bashrc does no print any thing but I got the following displays: Printing .bashrc on HP_LaserJet_P1005 Printing .bashrc complete on HP_LaserJet_P1005 Driver: HP LaserJet p1005, hpcups 3.14.6, requires proprietary plugin (color, 2-sided printing) Connection: hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM Defaults: job-sheets=none, none media=na_letter_8.5x11in sides=one-sided Configuration file MaxLogSize 0 # Show general information in error_log. LogLevel warn Listen localhost:631 Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock Browsing On BrowseLocalProtocols dnssd DefaultAuthType Basic WebInterface Yes Location / Order allow,deny /Location Location /admin Order allow,deny /Location Location /admin/conf AuthType Default Require user @SYSTEM Order allow,deny /Location Policy default JobPrivateAccess default JobPrivateValues default SubscriptionPrivateAccess default SubscriptionPrivateValues default Limit Create-Job Print-Job Print-URI Validate-Job Order deny,allow /Limit Limit Send-Document Send-URI Hold-Job Release-Job Restart-Job Purge-Jobs Set-Job-Attributes Create-Job-Subscription Renew-Subscription Cancel-Subscription Get-Notifications Reprocess-Job Cancel-Current-Job Suspend-Current-Job Resume-Job Cancel-My-Jobs Close-Job CUPS-Move-Job CUPS-Get-Document Require user @OWNER @SYSTEM Order deny,allow /Limit Limit CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer CUPS-Delete-Printer CUPS-Add-Modify-Class CUPS-Delete-Class CUPS-Set-Default CUPS-Get-Devices AuthType Default Require user @SYSTEM Order deny,allow /Limit Limit Pause-Printer Resume-Printer Enable-Printer Disable-Printer Pause-Printer-After-Current-Job Hold-New-Jobs Release-Held-New-Jobs Deactivate-Printer Activate-Printer Restart-Printer Shutdown-Printer Startup-Printer Promote-Job Schedule-Job-After Cancel-Jobs CUPS-Accept-Jobs CUPS-Reject-Jobs AuthType Default Require user @SYSTEM Order deny,allow /Limit Limit Cancel-Job CUPS-Authenticate-Job Require user @OWNER @SYSTEM Order deny,allow /Limit Limit All Order deny,allow /Limit /Policy Policy authenticated JobPrivateAccess default JobPrivateValues default SubscriptionPrivateAccess default SubscriptionPrivateValues default Limit Create-Job Print-Job Print-URI Validate-Job AuthType Default Order deny,allow /Limit Limit Send-Document Send-URI Hold-Job Release-Job Restart-Job Purge-Jobs Set-Job-Attributes Create-Job-Subscription Renew-Subscription Cancel-Subscription Get-Notifications Reprocess-Job Cancel-Current-Job Suspend-Current-Job Resume-Job Cancel-My-Jobs Close-Job CUPS-Move-Job CUPS-Get-Document AuthType Default Require user @OWNER @SYSTEM Order deny,allow /Limit Limit CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer CUPS-Delete-Printer CUPS-Add-Modify-Class CUPS-Delete-Class CUPS-Set-Default AuthType Default Require user @SYSTEM Order deny,allow /Limit Limit Pause-Printer Resume-Printer Enable-Printer Disable-Printer Pause-Printer-After-Current-Job Hold-New-Jobs Release-Held-New-Jobs Deactivate-Printer Activate-Printer Restart-Printer Shutdown-Printer Startup-Printer Promote-Job Schedule-Job-After Cancel-Jobs CUPS-Accept-Jobs CUPS-Reject-Jobs AuthType Default Require user @SYSTEM Order deny,allow /Limit Limit Cancel-Job CUPS-Authenticate-Job AuthType Default Require user @OWNER @SYSTEM Order deny,allow /Limit Limit All Order deny,allow /Limit /Policy === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 at 10:47 PM From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: cups On 09/10/2014 01:38 PM, jd1008 wrote: I see. That's because I am running the fc20 Mate desktop, which is gnome2. If all else fails, you can always try the cups web interface at http://127.0.0.1:631/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or
Re: cups
On 09/11/2014 12:54 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: lpr -P HP_LaserJet_P1005 .bashrc does no print any thing but I got the following displays: I have a similar issue: if I open a .pdf and try to print it, cups tells me it's been printed but nothing happens. After experimenting, I found that the Xpdf PDF viewer would actually print and no other viewer would. Have you tried opening a file in a text editor and printing from there? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cups
=== Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 10:09 AM From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: cups On 09/11/2014 12:54 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: lpr -P HP_LaserJet_P1005 .bashrc does no print any thing but I got the following displays: I have a similar issue: if I open a .pdf and try to print it, cups tells me it's been printed but nothing happens. After experimenting, I found that the Xpdf PDF viewer would actually print and no other viewer would. Have you tried opening a file in a text editor and printing from there? Yes, same thing -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cups
On 09/11/2014 01:31 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Yes, same thing OK, it's not an issue with lpr, then. Have you tried going into Manage Printers and having it print a test page? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cups
Yes,
This is the result:
Sorry!
there is no obvious solution to this problem...
Page 1 (Scheduler not running?):
{'cups_connection_failure': False}
Page 2 (Is local server publishing?):
{'local_server_exporting_printers': False}
Page 3 (Choose printer):
{'cups_dest': cups.Dest HP_LaserJet_P1005 (default),
'cups_instance': None,
'cups_queue': u'HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'cups_queue_listed': True}
Page 4 (Check printer sanity):
{'cups_device_uri_scheme': u'hp',
'cups_printer_dict': {'device-uri':
u'hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM',
'printer-info': u'HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'printer-is-shared': True,
'printer-location': u'',
'printer-make-and-model': u'HP LaserJet p1005, hpcups
3.14.6, requires proprietary plugin',
'printer-state': 3,
'printer-state-message': u'ready to print',
'printer-state-reasons': [u'none'],
'printer-type': 36892,
'printer-uri-supported':
u'ipp://localhost:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005'},
'cups_printer_remote': False,
'hplip_output': (['',
'\x1b[01mHP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver.
3.14.6)\x1b[0m',
'\x1b[01mDevice Information Utility ver. 5.2\x1b[0m',
'',
'Copyright (c) 2001-13 Hewlett-Packard Development Company,
LP',
'This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.',
'This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute
it',
'under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more
details.',
'',
'',
'\x1b[01mHP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver.
3.14.6)\x1b[0m',
'\x1b[01mSystem Tray Status Service ver. 2.0\x1b[0m',
'',
'Copyright (c) 2001-13 Hewlett-Packard Development Company,
LP',
'This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.',
'This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute
it',
'under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more
details.',
'',
'',
'\x1b[01mhp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM\x1b[0m',
'',
'\x1b[01mDevice Parameters (dynamic data):\x1b[0m',
'\x1b[01m Parameter Value(s)
\x1b[0m',
'
--',
' agent1-ackFalse
',
' agent1-desc Black toner cartridge
',
' agent1-dvc0
',
' agent1-health 0
',
' agent1-health-descGood/OK
',
' agent1-hp-ink False
',
' agent1-id 0
',
' agent1-kind 4
',
' agent1-known False
',
' agent1-level 100
',
' agent1-level-trigger 0
',
' agent1-sku35A
',
' agent1-type 1
',
' agent1-virgin False
',
' back-end hp
',
cups-printers ['HP_LaserJet_P1005']
,
' cups-uri
hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM ',
' dev-file
',
' device-state 1
',
' device-uri
hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM ',
Re: cups
===
Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com
Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | |
Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
===
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 10:41 AM
From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: cups
On 09/11/2014 01:31 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Yes, same thing
OK, it's not an issue with lpr, then. Have you tried going into Manage
Printers and having it print a test page?
Yes,
same think
I tried to troubleshoot, see my other thread
Page 1 (Scheduler not running?):
{'cups_connection_failure': False}
Page 2 (Is local server publishing?):
{'local_server_exporting_printers': False}
Page 3 (Choose printer):
{'cups_dest': cups.Dest HP_LaserJet_P1005 (default),
'cups_instance': None,
'cups_queue': u'HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'cups_queue_listed': True}
Page 4 (Check printer sanity):
{'cups_device_uri_scheme': u'hp',
'cups_printer_dict': {'device-uri':
u'hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM',
'printer-info': u'HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'printer-is-shared': True,
'printer-location': u'',
'printer-make-and-model': u'HP LaserJet p1005, hpcups
3.14.6, requires proprietary plugin',
'printer-state': 3,
'printer-state-message': u'ready to print',
'printer-state-reasons': [u'none'],
'printer-type': 36892,
'printer-uri-supported':
u'ipp://localhost:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005'},
'cups_printer_remote': False,
'hplip_output': (['',
'\x1b[01mHP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver.
3.14.6)\x1b[0m',
'\x1b[01mDevice Information Utility ver. 5.2\x1b[0m',
'',
'Copyright (c) 2001-13 Hewlett-Packard Development Company,
LP',
'This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.',
'This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute
it',
'under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more
details.',
'',
'',
'\x1b[01mHP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver.
3.14.6)\x1b[0m',
'\x1b[01mSystem Tray Status Service ver. 2.0\x1b[0m',
'',
'Copyright (c) 2001-13 Hewlett-Packard Development Company,
LP',
'This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.',
'This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute
it',
'under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more
details.',
'',
'',
'\x1b[01mhp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM\x1b[0m',
'',
'\x1b[01mDevice Parameters (dynamic data):\x1b[0m',
'\x1b[01m Parameter Value(s)
\x1b[0m',
'
--',
' agent1-ackFalse
',
' agent1-desc Black toner cartridge
',
' agent1-dvc0
',
' agent1-health 0
',
' agent1-health-descGood/OK
',
' agent1-hp-ink False
',
' agent1-id 0
',
' agent1-kind 4
',
' agent1-known False
',
' agent1-level 100
',
' agent1-level-trigger 0
',
' agent1-sku35A
',
' agent1-type 1
weather server
Hello, For now 2 days, my connection to the weather server seems not working. How can I manage it? Thank === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cups
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 10:55 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Page 11 (Print test page):
{'test_page_attempted': '11/Sep/2014:10:37:41 +',
'test_page_job_id': [151],
'test_page_job_status': [(True,
151,
'HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'Test Page',
'Processing',
{'attributes-charset': u'utf-8',
'attributes-natural-language': u'en-us',
'document-format':
u'application/vnd.cups-pdf-banner',
'job-hold-until': u'no-hold',
'job-id': 151,
'job-k-octets': 1,
'job-media-progress': 0,
'job-media-sheets-completed': 1,
'job-more-info': u'http://localhost:631/jobs/151',
'job-printer-state-message': u'Rendering
completed',
'job-printer-state-reasons': [u'none'],
'job-printer-up-time': 1410424674,
'job-printer-uri':
u'ipp://localhost:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'job-priority': 50,
'job-sheets': [u'none', u'none'],
'job-state': 5,
'job-state-reasons': u'job-printing',
'job-uri': u'ipp://localhost:631/jobs/151',
'job-uuid':
u'urn:uuid:83cd38f1-0a49-320a-4922-6fc741f815c6',
'number-of-documents': 1,
'printer-uri':
u'ipp://localhost/printers/HP%5FLaserJet%5FP1005',
'time-at-completed': None,
'time-at-creation': 1410424661,
'time-at-processing': 1410424661})],
'test_page_successful': True}
So, the test print you tried worked fine.
Is it all working now?
Tim.
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Re: cups
===
Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com
Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | |
Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
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Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 12:43 PM
From: Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: cups
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 10:55 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Page 11 (Print test page):
{'test_page_attempted': '11/Sep/2014:10:37:41 +',
'test_page_job_id': [151],
'test_page_job_status': [(True,
151,
'HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'Test Page',
'Processing',
{'attributes-charset': u'utf-8',
'attributes-natural-language': u'en-us',
'document-format':
u'application/vnd.cups-pdf-banner',
'job-hold-until': u'no-hold',
'job-id': 151,
'job-k-octets': 1,
'job-media-progress': 0,
'job-media-sheets-completed': 1,
'job-more-info':
u'http://localhost:631/jobs/151',
'job-printer-state-message': u'Rendering
completed',
'job-printer-state-reasons': [u'none'],
'job-printer-up-time': 1410424674,
'job-printer-uri':
u'ipp://localhost:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'job-priority': 50,
'job-sheets': [u'none', u'none'],
'job-state': 5,
'job-state-reasons': u'job-printing',
'job-uri': u'ipp://localhost:631/jobs/151',
'job-uuid':
u'urn:uuid:83cd38f1-0a49-320a-4922-6fc741f815c6',
'number-of-documents': 1,
'printer-uri':
u'ipp://localhost/printers/HP%5FLaserJet%5FP1005',
'time-at-completed': None,
'time-at-creation': 1410424661,
'time-at-processing': 1410424661})],
'test_page_successful': True}
So, the test print you tried worked fine.
Is it all working now?
No, it still does not work!!!
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Re: switchdesk
Allegedly, on or about 11 September 2014, Ed Greshko sent: Is there something more that switchdesk provides? Didn't it change the *default* offered to all users? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. ZNQR LBH YBBX -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switchdesk
I thought it was for systems where you had automatic logins. I've never set up my boxes that way, so I've never watched it happen. But if you really had a machine that would go from poweron to desktop without stopping for a login, you might not get the chance to change desktops the normal way. billo On Thu, 11 Sep 2014, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 11 September 2014, Ed Greshko sent: Is there something more that switchdesk provides? Didn't it change the *default* offered to all users? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 20 ps -ef stack overflow
Hello, Fedora 20 , please study the attached ps -ef named foutenlijst and be so kind to inform me if this severe error is a bug. The problem did occur since hte last 6 or 7 Kernel updates. Greetings, Ger van Dijck. UIDPID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD root 1 0 1 15:51 ?00:00:01 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --switched-root --system --deserialize 22 root 2 0 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kthreadd] root 3 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/0] root 4 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/0:0] root 5 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/0:0H] root 6 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/u16:0] root 7 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [rcu_sched] root 8 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [rcu_bh] root 9 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [migration/0] root10 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [watchdog/0] root11 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [watchdog/1] root12 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [migration/1] root13 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/1] root14 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/1:0] root15 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/1:0H] root16 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [watchdog/2] root17 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [migration/2] root18 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/2] root19 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/2:0] root20 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/2:0H] root21 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [watchdog/3] root22 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [migration/3] root23 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/3] root24 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/3:0] root25 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/3:0H] root26 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [khelper] root27 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kdevtmpfs] root28 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [netns] root29 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [writeback] root30 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [ksmd] root31 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kintegrityd] root32 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [bioset] root33 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [crypto] root34 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kblockd] root35 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [ata_sff] root36 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [khubd] root37 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [md] root38 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/0:1] root39 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/1:1] root46 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/u16:1] root59 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kswapd0] root60 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [fsnotify_mark] root70 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kthrotld] root71 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [acpi_thermal_pm] root72 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_eh_0] root73 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_tmf_0] root74 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_eh_1] root75 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_tmf_1] root76 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_eh_2] root77 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_tmf_2] root78 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_eh_3] root79 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_tmf_3] root80 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_eh_4] root81 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_tmf_4] root82 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_eh_5] root83 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [scsi_tmf_5] root84 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/u16:2] root85 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/u16:3] root86 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/u16:4] root87 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/u16:5] root88 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/u16:6] root89 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/2:1] root90 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kpsmoused] root91 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/1:2] root92 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [dm_bufio_cache] root93 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [ipv6_addrconf] root94 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [deferwq] root95 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/u16:7] root96 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/2:2] root97 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/u16:8] root 125 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kauditd] root 127 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/3:1] root 137 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/3:2] root 186 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/0:2] root 241 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/1:3] root 306 2 0 15:51 ?00:00:00 [kworker/0:1H] root 307 2 0
Re: cups
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 13:17 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: Is it all working now? No, it still does not work!!! Why did you answer 'Yes' when the dialog asked you if the test print worked? Answer 'No', and it will include the debugging logs. Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switchdesk
Selecting a desktop is not hard. Remembering to do it every time is hard. Logging out and logging in again can be annoying. Being able to set one's default desktop is useful. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cups
Sorry for the mistake,
New test:
Page 1 (Scheduler not running?):
{'cups_connection_failure': False}
Page 2 (Is local server publishing?):
{'local_server_exporting_printers': False}
Page 3 (Choose printer):
{'cups_dest': cups.Dest HP_LaserJet_P1005 (default),
'cups_instance': None,
'cups_queue': u'HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'cups_queue_listed': True}
Page 4 (Check printer sanity):
{'cups_device_uri_scheme': u'hp',
'cups_printer_dict': {'device-uri':
u'hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM',
'printer-info': u'HP_LaserJet_P1005',
'printer-is-shared': True,
'printer-location': u'',
'printer-make-and-model': u'HP LaserJet p1005, hpcups
3.14.6, requires proprietary plugin',
'printer-state': 3,
'printer-state-message': u'ready to print',
'printer-state-reasons': [u'none'],
'printer-type': 36892,
'printer-uri-supported':
u'ipp://localhost:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005'},
'cups_printer_remote': False,
'hplip_output': (['',
'\x1b[01mHP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver.
3.14.6)\x1b[0m',
'\x1b[01mDevice Information Utility ver. 5.2\x1b[0m',
'',
'Copyright (c) 2001-13 Hewlett-Packard Development Company,
LP',
'This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.',
'This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute
it',
'under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more
details.',
'',
'',
'\x1b[01mHP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver.
3.14.6)\x1b[0m',
'\x1b[01mSystem Tray Status Service ver. 2.0\x1b[0m',
'',
'Copyright (c) 2001-13 Hewlett-Packard Development Company,
LP',
'This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.',
'This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute
it',
'under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more
details.',
'',
'',
'\x1b[01mhp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM\x1b[0m',
'',
'\x1b[01mDevice Parameters (dynamic data):\x1b[0m',
'\x1b[01m Parameter Value(s)
\x1b[0m',
'
--',
' agent1-ackFalse
',
' agent1-desc Black toner cartridge
',
' agent1-dvc0
',
' agent1-health 0
',
' agent1-health-descGood/OK
',
' agent1-hp-ink False
',
' agent1-id 0
',
' agent1-kind 4
',
' agent1-known False
',
' agent1-level 100
',
' agent1-level-trigger 0
',
' agent1-sku35A
',
' agent1-type 1
',
' agent1-virgin False
',
' back-end hp
',
cups-printers ['HP_LaserJet_P1005']
,
' cups-uri
hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM ',
' dev-file
',
' device-state 1
',
' device-uri
hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB07BPM ',
' deviceid
Re: switchdesk
Hi On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Selecting a desktop is not hard. Remembering to do it every time is hard. Logging out and logging in again can be annoying. Being able to set one's default desktop is useful. Display manager should remember the last login. I doubt switchdesk is maintained Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switchdesk
On 09/11/14 23:13, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Michael Hennebrywrote: Selecting a desktop is not hard. Remembering to do it every time is hard. Logging out and logging in again can be annoying. Being able to set one's default desktop is useful. Display manager should remember the last login. I doubt switchdesk is maintained Precisely. Both kdm and gdm, at least, remember the last desktop invoked by the user. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cups
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:12 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
{'test_page_attempted': '11/Sep/2014:17:09:07 +',
[...]
{'error_log_debug_logging_unset': True, 'journal': []}
It hasn't fetched the error_log file unfortunately, but I think that's a
CUPS bug (STR #4461), fixed in the latest test update
(cups-1.7.5-4.fc20).
It doesn't really matter though: you should have
a /var/log/cups/error_log file that has the information we need. Could
you please file a bug report in Bugzilla against the 'cups' component,
and attach that error_log file?
Thanks,
Tim.
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Re: switchdesk
On 09/10/2014 11:10 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/11/14 12:02, jd1008 wrote: Seems like switchdesk only provides ability to switch to kde icewm system defaults whereas I have other desktop managers installed, like lxde, fvwm. I looked to see of the selection menu might be controlled by a config file. Did not find any file in /etc having the string switchdesk in it's name. I did find /etc/X11/xinit/Xsession using it. If someone knows how to add other desktop managers to switchdesk's menu, without having to rebuild switchdesk, please sahre. I personally don't see the need or relevance of switchdesk. I have a bunch of desktops installed, for testing purposes, and when I'm at the kdm login screen and select session type I can select whatever desktop I wish to run. Is there something more that switchdesk provides? I was thinking of the possibility of switching the desktop dynamically such that the DT one switches to will inherit all the running gui apps. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cups
I tried to submit the bug but after I submit it, nothing happen.
Hence, either I did not submitted it or, I submitted multiple times!
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Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 6:08 PM
From: Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: cups
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:12 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
{'test_page_attempted': '11/Sep/2014:17:09:07 +',
[...]
{'error_log_debug_logging_unset': True, 'journal': []}
It hasn't fetched the error_log file unfortunately, but I think that's a
CUPS bug (STR #4461), fixed in the latest test update
(cups-1.7.5-4.fc20).
It doesn't really matter though: you should have
a /var/log/cups/error_log file that has the information we need. Could
you please file a bug report in Bugzilla against the 'cups' component,
and attach that error_log file?
Thanks,
Tim.
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case study - journalctl - where is logger output
hello today I installed the rsyslog and enable it then disabled (then masked) systemd-journal-flush, systemd-journald services. Plus I disabled systemd-journald.socket as well. It broke my system. After I closed the sudo session I could gain root access plus I couldn't start any program only forks for the existed ones (like gnome terminal). The reboot didn't work. The box just didn't start up. :( (just remark - systemd is not depends on itself) I booted into runlevel 1 (yeeeah - runlevel doesn't exist on systemd - I wanted to say rescue.target) and redo the mask and enable everything. I've noticed the rsyslog doesn't listen to the system logging. I've run logger command but I don't find it in the log. I've checked the journalctl and /var/log/messages file as well. # logger -t hello # journalctl |grep hello # grep hello /var/log/messages # Does anyone have a clue? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: weather server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/11/2014 05:45 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, For now 2 days, my connection to the weather server seems not working. How can I manage it? Thank === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1140476 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlQR8DAACgkQeiVVYja6o6MvtgCfVLXWJEx8K/zUcWqk03WhVPQD H9EAoKaWZzFbClCvCz7UMpyBdKL2K+iH =tOrW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: case study - journalctl - where is logger output
okay, I figured it out. If the journalctl doesn't run neither rsyslog nor journalctl (last one is obvious) don't get anything. after I started the journalctl the logger output appeared in journalclt and tail /var/log/messages output. Balint On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 19:04 +0100, Balint Szigeti wrote: hello today I installed the rsyslog and enable it then disabled (then masked) systemd-journal-flush, systemd-journald services. Plus I disabled systemd-journald.socket as well. It broke my system. After I closed the sudo session I could gain root access plus I couldn't start any program only forks for the existed ones (like gnome terminal). The reboot didn't work. The box just didn't start up. :( (just remark - systemd is not depends on itself) I booted into runlevel 1 (yeeeah - runlevel doesn't exist on systemd - I wanted to say rescue.target) and redo the mask and enable everything. I've noticed the rsyslog doesn't listen to the system logging. I've run logger command but I don't find it in the log. I've checked the journalctl and /var/log/messages file as well. # logger -t hello # journalctl |grep hello # grep hello /var/log/messages # Does anyone have a clue? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
On 10.09.2014, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: Can you point out a place where those refutes can be found? I want to see how one goes about refuting an objective statement. Yes, that would be interesting. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: case study - journalctl - where is logger output
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: today I installed the rsyslog and enable it then disabled (then masked) systemd-journal-flush, systemd-journald services. Plus I disabled systemd-journald.socket as well. It broke my system. After I closed the sudo session I could gain root access plus I couldn't start any program only forks for the existed ones (like gnome terminal). The reboot didn't work. The box just didn't start up. :( (just remark - systemd is not depends on itself) I disabled all of the journal service and socket units and rebooted without a hitch. It was in an X-less VM though so perhaps things go awry when booting a DE (I don't see why it whould). I booted into runlevel 1 (yeeeah - runlevel doesn't exist on systemd - I wanted to say rescue.target) and redo the mask and enable everything. I boot into runlevel 1 when I use 1 on the kernel cmdline. I've noticed the rsyslog doesn't listen to the system logging. I've run logger command but I don't find it in the log. I've checked the journalctl and /var/log/messages file as well. # logger -t hello # journalctl |grep hello # grep hello /var/log/messages # Same here. Is journald supposed to be turned off when using systemd? Why do you want it off? You can set Storage=volatile in /etc/systemd/journald.conf and 1) you'll only have rsyslog logs across reboots and 2) the journald logs will be written to the /run/log/journal/ tmpfs so journald will simply collect logs for rsyslog. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/09/2014 11:34 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:18:06 -0400 Kelly Miller lightsolphoe...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, they did... and refuted every single point made there, multiple times. Can you point out a place where those refutes can be found? I want to see how one goes about refuting an objective statement. I'd say that https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd pretty much counters that page point-for-point. Also, almost all of the statements made are not objective. Nearly all of the statements made are thoroughly subjective (e.g. systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy). In fact, as I read through that page again, the only verifiable statement made was about the number of CVEs that systemd has experienced. Which is, of course, presented in a way to hide the fact that most of those were not in the init system itself, but in peripheral pieces such as journald. There's no mention of the count of CVEs from sysvinit or upstart, let alone the likely thousands from the kernel itself. In short, this entire page is a troll with no substance. There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled against systemd. The correct way to do this is by filing bugs and feature-enhancement requests. Mindlessly repeating misleading sound-bytes is something better left for cable news stations and off of development mailing lists, please. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlQSBlMACgkQeiVVYja6o6NqwgCgmiG+isOjCfP2yvK3jZqylW6u Og4AnRftq9ECHVzKWh/hkj5vtAl6R0Vg =XrsX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Smart Media Player Network Access in Fedora 20
On 09/10/2014 07:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 06:56 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: Thankyou for your responses. I probably need some more assistance on these. I have minidlna installed already but haven't been able to figure out how to use it. I have also been told that XBMC to XBMC streaming is not a godd idea, how valid is that? Also, like Miracast under Windows, doesn't Linux have to be able to see the device before any of the mentioned package can stream to it? (Insert standard comment about not top-posting.) IIRC getting minidlna to work was trivial. I seem to remember some minor editing of the config file to set up directories to serve from, then starting it via systemd. It starts automatically on boot so in the worst case if you restart your system it should just happen. You may also need to open port 8200 (the default) if you firewall is blocking it. Also, I suspect you may be labouring under a misconception: you don't stream media to your remote device, the device streams media *from* the server (using the DLNA protocol). You don't have to tell the server what the device is. It will just stream to any device on the LAN that can find it. I can stream to my phone or tablet without any further setup other than installing a suitable app. Thanks Patrick. I was assuming Linux was the same as Windows. Under Windows having done the necessary steps to ensure that Windows can see the wireless device, I have to start the app I want to stream from as setting up Miracast using the built in interface won't work unless the app is running (and it only works with the built in video player, it doesn't work with mediaplayer), I then have to select the device charm to tell miracast that I want to project to an external screen only (this is so the video doesn't play on the pc screen as well), then I have to select the device charm again and select Play which then prompts for which of the devices it can see I want to stream to, and then once I select the android smart player the video appears to be then streamed to the device and appears on the TV using whatever of the multiple players on the device is its default. Some of my issues may be my modem/router not being good enough for streaming as well. When I try to get the device to play a video directly of my NAS device over wireless the playback stops every thirty seconds and buffers, but if I put the flash disk that the video came from into the device and play the video from there it plays fine without any buffering. regards, Steve poc attachment: samorris.vcf-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Smart Media Player Network Access in Fedora 20
On Fri, 2014-09-12 at 07:15 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: Also, I suspect you may be labouring under a misconception: you don't stream media to your remote device, the device streams media *from* the server (using the DLNA protocol). You don't have to tell the server what the device is. It will just stream to any device on the LAN that can find it. I can stream to my phone or tablet without any further setup other than installing a suitable app. Thanks Patrick. I was assuming Linux was the same as Windows. Under Windows having done the necessary steps to ensure that Windows can see the wireless device, I have to start the app I want to stream from as setting up Miracast using the built in interface won't work unless the app is running (and it only works with the built in video player, it doesn't work with mediaplayer), I then have to select the device charm to tell miracast that I want to project to an external screen only (this is so the video doesn't play on the pc screen as well), then I have to select the device charm again and select Play which then prompts for which of the devices it can see I want to stream to, and then once I select the android smart player the video appears to be then streamed to the device and appears on the TV using whatever of the multiple players on the device is its default. Note that my comments were on using DLNA. Miracast is different (and pretty much as you describe it) since it's focussed on screen mirroring which is not the same concept. My TV supports Miracast and I can mirror my phone or tablet to the big screen, something I haven't attempted to do in Linux. If that's what you really want to do then ignore what I said earlier, but you should consider if it is in fact what you want to do. If you just want to watch videos it may not be. Some of my issues may be my modem/router not being good enough for streaming as well. When I try to get the device to play a video directly of my NAS device over wireless the playback stops every thirty seconds and buffers, but if I put the flash disk that the video came from into the device and play the video from there it plays fine without any buffering. I have my NAS device and TV connected via Gigabit Ethernet to Gigabit ports on my router. I would only use Wifi for video streaming if I had no other option. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled against systemd. The correct way to do this ... With all due respect, this isn't a matter of filing bug reports. I've been working on Unix since around 1980; I was teaching Unix internals at Bell Labs in Naperville in 1982. I've discussed Ritchie streams with Ritchie, and hacked the Unix kernel back then. I knocked out cut and paste--maybe nothing that stunning, but it cost me a lot when I did it. I know and understand what the Unix--and, by extension, Linux--philosophy is. I've also worked on DOS, and Windows, since their inception, and many other operating systems before and after both. I've seen some sensible decisions--although with either DOS or Windows, I'm hard pressed right now to think of them--and some really stupid ideas, such as the Registry. Systemd is one of the stupid ideas. It flies in the face of everything that makes sense in Unix or Linux, and incorporates some of the most amazingly bad ideas Microsoft ever promulgated. A single point of failure, an Swiss army knife of totally disparate tasks incorporated in a single process just because we can... I didn't pay attention to this until recently; now that I've dug into it a bit more, I'm both horrified and astonished that it's reached the level of acceptance it has. This is an amazingly terrible concept, with the unbelievable adjunct that it's been accepted by major Linux distros. Unchecked, this could be the stake in the heart of Linux. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Sincerely, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:33:47 -0500 Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled against systemd. The correct way to do this ... With all due respect, this isn't a matter of filing bug reports. ...snip... Systemd is one of the stupid ideas. It flies in the face of everything that makes sense in Unix or Linux, and incorporates some of the most amazingly bad ideas Microsoft ever promulgated. A single point of failure, an Swiss army knife of totally disparate tasks incorporated in a single process just because we can... I didn't pay attention to this until recently; now that I've dug into it a bit more, I'm both horrified and astonished that it's reached the level of acceptance it has. This is an amazingly terrible concept, with the unbelievable adjunct that it's been accepted by major Linux distros. Unchecked, this could be the stake in the heart of Linux. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Well, sorry you think so. I think systemd is far from perfect, but it's a good deal better than what we had before. I'd say the chances of Fedora switching away from systemd at this point are pretty much 0, so if you can't learn to live with it and help improve it, I wish you the best of luck with whatever distro you end up using. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Thunderbird 24.8 and 31 never reached Fedora?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, did these Thunderbird versions really never reach Fedora repos? 31.0 24.8 or am I overlooking something? I concluded that after having a look at: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/thunderbird http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=39 Vulnerabilities fixed Thunderbird version: https://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/thunderbird.html#thunderbird31.1.0 Thunderbird 31.1.0 is already in fc20 (fc19 still comes with Thunderbird 24.7). https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-10407/firefox-32.0-1.fc20,xulrunner-32.0-1.fc20,thunderbird-lightning-3.3-3.fc20,thunderbird-31.1.0-1.fc20 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-10478/firefox-32.0-1.fc19,xulrunner-32.0-1.fc19,thunderbird-31.1.0-1.fc19,thunderbird-lightning-3.3-3.fc19 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUEjMpAAoJEG58zmw5nc+vZkYP/Rk7cgyy6FvLhy5VR7spRiF4 45qrDKUprlApLa/7Rn8SufgapihFiKkItdCR5CgTjmALyMXOOgmtft9mzzt40UrE 9K685+HwUyy73A8ZKZ3hMd9+bGj7cCiHqhPRKCDxzcc196xZHh1MvOzFYbBzyiRM PEbAjJaTXEvnB9fNhPd0Yq1RJmOvk3Fmv0e4G5ebgvjcLjL79gVUrGCKXe0gklio Qdye/jPCUTESebB3dI3D193HjyY3kgs9AseWpDA4XTmJe3N7A9sRXmth/LJe1toX SCnpxBOzfNhEcAB3eehwvmvv4quO2fawX5/0pYamGpF30SMdzMsSf6UzLSsAIp60 9Yt8nFVPwZHSMFUa/Jh0ceadKwL9vMYw1t0h9B3UtYSI1w3LVEYzzpSKoiWTxKAw F1O0SD5h1FVMZmtpfPxmDviHjHTrtUmUxRqYGn5kBbFQQBE91hCSsp/thpvNaIfo DNADRh5gFqagN+jCnR3AOX/O3wsrJOe4LNwNGauo8HVICDy25Csly+iDwwzpBu3D TKyOvJRI41FismisCS7dYco9eW+3hLmGPQOYl0TZPd5D3bczi4fhB9T4vDwyqtul Dm9V4MRqDNeFw0hLkm2bC7sye2onJ56vNSXpuX/qYZMjibPnAp9BbdfKypCBueYz rUWTteQi36ogofTceKVk =CrNO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:33 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled against systemd. The correct way to do this ... With all due respect, this isn't a matter of filing bug reports. I've been working on Unix since around 1980; I was teaching Unix internals at Bell Labs in Naperville in 1982. I've discussed Ritchie streams with Ritchie, and hacked the Unix kernel back then. I knocked out cut and paste--maybe nothing that stunning, but it cost me a lot when I did it. I know and understand what the Unix--and, by extension, Linux--philosophy is. I've also worked on DOS, and Windows, since their inception, and many other operating systems before and after both. I've seen some sensible decisions--although with either DOS or Windows, I'm hard pressed right now to think of them--and some really stupid ideas, such as the Registry. Systemd is one of the stupid ideas. It flies in the face of everything that makes sense in Unix or Linux, and incorporates some of the most amazingly bad ideas Microsoft ever promulgated. A single point of failure, an Swiss army knife of totally disparate tasks incorporated in a single process just because we can... I didn't pay attention to this until recently; now that I've dug into it a bit more, I'm both horrified and astonished that it's reached the level of acceptance it has. This is an amazingly terrible concept, with the unbelievable adjunct that it's been accepted by major Linux distros. Unchecked, this could be the stake in the heart of Linux. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Very well put and eminently sensible. This is the kind of argument that needs to be answered, not how many CVEs there are and where to report them. If the argument doesn't hold water, then systemd proponents should explain why (to repeat, *explain* why, not simply assert the contrary position). If it does, isn't it better to rethink it now than when it's too late? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird 24.8 and 31 never reached Fedora?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Joonas joonas.lehto...@openmailbox.org wrote: Hi, did these Thunderbird versions really never reach Fedora repos? 31.0 24.8 or am I overlooking something? I have Thunderbird 31.1.0 in Fedora 20. I think the update came through yesterday. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:33 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled against systemd. The correct way to do this ... With all due respect, this isn't a matter of filing bug reports. I've been working on Unix since around 1980; I was teaching Unix internals at Bell Labs in Naperville in 1982. I've discussed Ritchie streams with Ritchie, and hacked the Unix kernel back then. I knocked out cut and paste--maybe nothing that stunning, but it cost me a lot when I did it. I know and understand what the Unix--and, by extension, Linux--philosophy is. I've also worked on DOS, and Windows, since their inception, and many other operating systems before and after both. I've seen some sensible decisions--although with either DOS or Windows, I'm hard pressed right now to think of them--and some really stupid ideas, such as the Registry. Systemd is one of the stupid ideas. It flies in the face of everything that makes sense in Unix or Linux, and incorporates some of the most amazingly bad ideas Microsoft ever promulgated. A single point of failure, an Swiss army knife of totally disparate tasks incorporated in a single process just because we can... I didn't pay attention to this until recently; now that I've dug into it a bit more, I'm both horrified and astonished that it's reached the level of acceptance it has. This is an amazingly terrible concept, with the unbelievable adjunct that it's been accepted by major Linux distros. Unchecked, this could be the stake in the heart of Linux. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Very well put and eminently sensible. This is the kind of argument that needs to be answered, not how many CVEs there are and where to report them. If the argument doesn't hold water, then systemd proponents should explain why (to repeat, *explain* why, not simply assert the contrary position). If it does, isn't it better to rethink it now than when it's too late? poc Over the years, I've seen what I, at least, have perceived as a change in the atmosphere around linux. It used to be that the statement of pride was we're not like Windows. Then came the movement to increase the desktop share by looking more and more like Windows. Now there seems to be this idea that what linux should be is not something *different,* but essentially an open-source implementation of Windows. Linux and Windows should be like LibreOffice and Microsoft Office; close enough so that you don't have to notice the difference. Systemd is just one more step down that road. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address
Dan Williams replied over on the NetworkManager list. He suggested rebuilding and installing NetworkManager from F21. This seems to work fine. No v6 addresses or routes for em1. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 09/11/14 14:37, Dan Irwin wrote: There are other fixes, like disconnecting the gige connection to my laptop docking station. Or maybe turn wifi off and use only the gige. But If i use the laptop away from my desk and come back, the problem will bite once more. Something else i find disconcerting. There must be very few users running Linux on a laptop, with IPv6, with wifi and gige connections. Maybe they just get pissed off and go elsewhere when things like google or facebook fail to load. My biggest problem is maintaining connections to the local kdc and various internal services which present as dual stack. I am seriously quite tempted to disable IPv6 on the subnets to which I connect. If you only want to disable it on your laptop and/or a given interface you can always edit /etc/sysctl.conf to include this line net.ipv6.conf.interfacename.disable_ipv6=1 -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address
On 09/12/14 08:26, Dan Irwin wrote: Dan Williams replied over on the NetworkManager list. He suggested rebuilding and installing NetworkManager from F21. This seems to work fine. No v6 addresses or routes for em1. Yep Just tested it on an F21 AlphaTC6 system and it works fine there. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
09/11/2014 05:04 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:33 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled against systemd. The correct way to do this ... With all due respect, this isn't a matter of filing bug reports. I've been working on Unix since around 1980; I was teaching Unix internals at Bell Labs in Naperville in 1982. I've discussed Ritchie streams with Ritchie, and hacked the Unix kernel back then. I knocked out cut and paste--maybe nothing that stunning, but it cost me a lot when I did it. I know and understand what the Unix--and, by extension, Linux--philosophy is. I've also worked on DOS, and Windows, since their inception, and many other operating systems before and after both. I've seen some sensible decisions--although with either DOS or Windows, I'm hard pressed right now to think of them--and some really stupid ideas, such as the Registry. Systemd is one of the stupid ideas. It flies in the face of everything that makes sense in Unix or Linux, and incorporates some of the most amazingly bad ideas Microsoft ever promulgated. A single point of failure, an Swiss army knife of totally disparate tasks incorporated in a single process just because we can... I didn't pay attention to this until recently; now that I've dug into it a bit more, I'm both horrified and astonished that it's reached the level of acceptance it has. This is an amazingly terrible concept, with the unbelievable adjunct that it's been accepted by major Linux distros. Unchecked, this could be the stake in the heart of Linux. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Very well put and eminently sensible. This is the kind of argument that needs to be answered, not how many CVEs there are and where to report them. If the argument doesn't hold water, then systemd proponents should explain why (to repeat, *explain* why, not simply assert the contrary position). If it does, isn't it better to rethink it now than when it's too late? poc Over the years, I've seen what I, at least, have perceived as a change in the atmosphere around linux. It used to be that the statement of pride was we're not like Windows. Then came the movement to increase the desktop share by looking more and more like Windows. Now there seems to be this idea that what linux should be is not something *different,* but essentially an open-source implementation of Windows. Linux and Windows should be like LibreOffice and Microsoft Office; close enough so that you don't have to notice the difference. Systemd is just one more step down that road. I've been holding my nose and keeping my mouth shut for the last couple of years but I have to concur. Time was, a signature with `uptime` showing many hundreds of days, if not multiple years, was a badge of honor. Now people cavalierly toss out, ... and reboot. I've been expecting that fedora 95 release notes will peacock the addition of a start button and a BSOD as a feature. (place whichever emoticon applies, here) fedora is dead. Long live fedora. MWright -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014, Mike Wright wrote: I've been holding my nose and keeping my mouth shut for the last couple of years but I have to concur. Time was, a signature with `uptime` showing many hundreds of days, if not multiple years, was a badge of honor. Now people cavalierly toss out, ... and reboot. I've been expecting that fedora 95 release notes will peacock the addition of a start button and a BSOD as a feature. (place whichever emoticon applies, here) fedora is dead. Long live fedora. MWright I don't think it's a fedora thing. I think it's a linux thing. And I'm not saying that it's all bad -- open source systems go the way developers want it to go, and we user types are pretty much along for the ride. We can get off any time we want, no harm no foul, and for me the ride is still a lot of fun. It may be that something forks into new and innovative territory. Maybe it just becomes an open source Windows platform -- which would still be better than Windows itself. For me it's a win whichever way it goes; I'm not Windows-phobic, except for privacy and security issues. So, when I say that about systemd, it's not necessarily a criticism. It's just an example of the changing philosophy that's moving linux one more step into the Windows-like neighborhood. That may be a smart move, but as with all things in life, every decision has a cost and a benefit. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
On 09/12/2014 04:13 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: And I'm not saying that it's all bad -- open source systems go the way developers want it to go, I'd consider this to be an urban legend, which may have applied in the past. These days open source systems big business and go the way, the companies behind them drive it. This is not limited to systemd but applies many major SW components, too. We users are passengers without any influence on the directions Linux and OSS is taking. Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
