[OT] ConfSL 2.0 - Annual Italian Conference on Free Software Hardware - Ivrea (Turin) 26/27 June 2015

2015-06-18 Thread Dario Lesca
Dear Friends, I am pleased to present and invite you, to ConfSL 2.0,
the Italian annual Conference of the Software  Hardware Free and Open.

The conference to be held in Ivrea (Turin) on 26 and 27 June 2015 .

For more details, visit the official website of ConfSL 2.0

http://confsl.org

Anyone can join, participation is free.

If you like, spread among your friends this initiative.

Many thanks.

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Problem with Python??

2015-06-18 Thread jd1008

selinux issues the following
If you believe /usr/bin/bython2.7 tried to disable selinux

you may be under attack by a hacker, since confined applications should 
never need this access.

Contact your security administrator and report this issue.

Is anyone else seeing this?
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F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
(First try apparently got eaten; apologies if this is a duplicate.)

I just installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. The
Live CD seemed to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, it
(almost¹) invariably freezes when I try to log in. The machine is
effectively unusable as a result.

Has anyone else encountered this? Can anyone recommend a course of
diagnostics? I'm unable to even get the machine into a state that would
allow remote login (over ssh anyway, and I don't know offhand how to set
up serial login), and I've not seen anything in /var/log/messages that
might indicate a problem.

(¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as
soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user
mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with
enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to
no effect.)

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Re: question/problem re: smplayer and mpv

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 06/17/2015 05:14 PM, jd1008 wrote:



On 06/17/2015 05:48 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/17/2015 04:06 PM, jd1008 wrote:



On 06/17/2015 02:01 PM, Greg Woods wrote:


On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:50 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com
mailto:jd1...@gmail.com wrote:

Checking for SSA/ASS support   : no ('libass = 0.12.1' not
found)


Maybe you just need to install libass-devel?

--Greg




I do have a libass installed in my current OS: fc20.
It is asking for a higher version, which I presume is only available in
fc22.
I do not want to clobber my existing libass nor libass-devel because
of other dependencies on the existing version.


Then you're rather out of luck unless you want to install a new version
of libass in some scratch location and bugger the mpv build to use that
location. It is difficult to build things with a mix of RPM and non-RPM
items, as RPM and rpmbuild sorta want things in a specific way.

Yes, I understand.
So, which functionality of mpv does libass provide???
I mean if I edit the spec file and remove the configure option
for libass (disable-libass), what feature would stop working?


libass essentially handles subtitle rendering on material that has 
subtitles:


# dnf info libass
...
Description : Libass is a portable library for SSA/ASS subtitles 
rendering.

So subtitles won't be rendered if you disable it. Depending on your
needs, this may not be a big thing.
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Re: question/problem re: smplayer and mpv

2015-06-18 Thread jd1008



On 06/18/2015 10:38 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/17/2015 05:14 PM, jd1008 wrote:



On 06/17/2015 05:48 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/17/2015 04:06 PM, jd1008 wrote:



On 06/17/2015 02:01 PM, Greg Woods wrote:


On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:50 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com
mailto:jd1...@gmail.com wrote:

Checking for SSA/ASS support   : no ('libass = 0.12.1' not
found)


Maybe you just need to install libass-devel?

--Greg




I do have a libass installed in my current OS: fc20.
It is asking for a higher version, which I presume is only 
available in

fc22.
I do not want to clobber my existing libass nor libass-devel because
of other dependencies on the existing version.


Then you're rather out of luck unless you want to install a new version
of libass in some scratch location and bugger the mpv build to use that
location. It is difficult to build things with a mix of RPM and non-RPM
items, as RPM and rpmbuild sorta want things in a specific way.

Yes, I understand.
So, which functionality of mpv does libass provide???
I mean if I edit the spec file and remove the configure option
for libass (disable-libass), what feature would stop working?


libass essentially handles subtitle rendering on material that has 
subtitles:


# dnf info libass
...
Description : Libass is a portable library for SSA/ASS subtitles 
rendering.


So subtitles won't be rendered if you disable it. Depending on your
needs, this may not be a big thing.

Cool!
99.99% of the time, what I watch has no subtitles.

Cheers,

JD
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/19/15 08:17, Mickey wrote:


 On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
 On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote:


 On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:
 On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:


 On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
 fedup --network21 --product non-product

 ERROR Message;

 # fedup --network21 --product non-product
 usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
 fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
 (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')


 Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify nonproduct as
 one word.

 Temlakos

 # fedup --network 21 nonproduct
 usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
 fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct

 The command is:

 fedup --product nonproduct --network 21

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 FAILURE !!!
 Well I guess I will have to back to the old way,  Fresh Install.


 #  fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct
 setting up repos...
 No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch
 getting boot images...
 .treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB  00:00:00
 setting up update...
 fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct
 finding updates 100% 
 []
 WARNING: potential problems with upgrade
   pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 
 (replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686)
   pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 
 (replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch)
 verify local files 100% 
 [=]
 celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB  00:01:05 ETA
 libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED -   
   ] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB  00:00:50 ETA
 app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED 
 =-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB  
 00:00:00 ETA
 (1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99% 
 [==-] 316 kB/s |  24 
 MB  00:00:00 ETA
 Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages.
   libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
   app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more 
 mirrors to try.
   celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.

You seem to have several non-standard repos enabled.  libdvdcss comes from 
the remi repository, for example.

You may want to disable all those and try again before doing a reinstall.

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey



On 06/18/2015 08:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 06/19/15 08:17, Mickey wrote:


On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote:


On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:


On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:

fedup --network21 --product non-product

ERROR Message;

# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
(choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')


Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify nonproduct as
one word.

Temlakos

# fedup --network 21 nonproduct
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct

The command is:

 fedup --product nonproduct --network 21

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FAILURE !!!
Well I guess I will have to back to the old way,  Fresh Install.


#  fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct
setting up repos...
No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch
getting boot images...
.treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB  00:00:00
setting up update...
fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct
finding updates 100% 
[]
WARNING: potential problems with upgrade
   pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 
(replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686)
   pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 
(replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch)
verify local files 100% 
[=]
celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB  00:01:05 ETA
libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED - 
] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB  00:00:50 ETA
app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED 
=-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB  
00:00:00 ETA
(1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99% 
[==-] 316 kB/s |  24 MB 
 00:00:00 ETA
Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages.
   libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
   app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more 
mirrors to try.
   celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.

You seem to have several non-standard repos enabled.  libdvdcss comes from 
the remi repository, for example.

You may want to disable all those and try again before doing a reinstall.


These are all F20 repos, what would they have to do with F21 ?

churchyard-chromium-russianfedora-tested.repo
 google-talkplugin.repo
rpmfusion-free.repo
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo
fedora.repo
infinality.repo
rpmfusion-free-updates.repo
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.repo
fedora-updates.repo
livna.repo
 rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo
fedora-updates-testing.repo
postinstallerf.repo
rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide.repo
fedy.repo

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey



On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:

fedup --network21 --product non-product


ERROR Message;

# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
(choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')



Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify nonproduct as
one word.

Temlakos


# fedup --network 21 nonproduct
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct


The command is:

fedup --product nonproduct --network 21

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FAILURE !!!
Well I guess I will have to back to the old way,  Fresh Install.


#  fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct
setting up repos...
No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch
getting boot images...
.treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB  00:00:00
setting up update...
fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct
finding updates 100% 
[]

WARNING: potential problems with upgrade
  pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires 
libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 (replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686)
  pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires 
itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 (replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch)
verify local files 100% 
[=]

celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB  00:01:05 ETA
libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED 
- ] 441 kB/s | 2.4 
MB  00:00:50 ETA
app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED 
=-] 316 kB/s | 24 
MB  00:00:00 ETA
(1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99% 
[==-] 316 kB/s 
|  24 MB  00:00:00 ETA

Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages.
  libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
  app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No 
more mirrors to try.

  celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
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Re: Altair 8800

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 06/18/2015 06:01 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote:


Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some
company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that
was much better than just passive resistors,


I don't have silk screening on mine, but I'm pretty sure it was Processor Tech
that made it.  I bypassed the 4 slot and went straight to that backplane,
and its 16 slots.  It was the IMSAI that put in a 22 slot backplane.


Yeah, it could have been PT. I was thinking them, Cromemco or TDL
(Technical Design Labs, who also made the Z80 processor board).

Yes, IMSAI had the 22-slot single-piece motherboard and IIRC an 18A 8V
power supply (more like 10V) and a front panel with the bit switches
laid out in hex rather than the octal used on the Altair (although I
think the Altair was prettier). When I built my three Altairs, the
single-piece motherboard wasn't available.


PS.  Thanks for making me look at mine.  My machine was warm!
Turns out my add-on 8V supply has been on for the last couple of months
and I didn't even know it.


Heheheheh! Well, it was a nice trip down memory lane. Now I gotta go
dig through my various Amiga stuff (I had at least one of every Amiga
made) and see what's still there.
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Re: Altair 8800

2015-06-18 Thread Les Howell
On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 21:01 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote:
 
  Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some
  company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that
  was much better than just passive resistors,
 
 I don't have silk screening on mine, but I'm pretty sure it was Processor Tech
 that made it.  I bypassed the 4 slot and went straight to that backplane,
 and its 16 slots.  It was the IMSAI that put in a 22 slot backplane.
 
 PS.  Thanks for making me look at mine.  My machine was warm!
 Turns out my add-on 8V supply has been on for the last couple of months
 and I didn't even know it.

WOW.. I thought I was the only one on here with an 8800.  Mine is a B
model with the Quiet bus installed and runs at I think 8Mhz.  But its
been a while.  I also have the Zilog Z80 board in it as well as a very
early modem and terminal driver for the TV set type display.  And the
whole shebang of 64K.

Regards,
Les H

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Altair 8800

2015-06-18 Thread Fulko Hew
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote:

 Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some
 company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that
 was much better than just passive resistors,

I don't have silk screening on mine, but I'm pretty sure it was Processor Tech
that made it.  I bypassed the 4 slot and went straight to that backplane,
and its 16 slots.  It was the IMSAI that put in a 22 slot backplane.

PS.  Thanks for making me look at mine.  My machine was warm!
Turns out my add-on 8V supply has been on for the last couple of months
and I didn't even know it.
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/19/15 08:44, Mickey wrote:


 On 06/18/2015 08:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:



 #  fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct
 setting up repos...
 No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch
 getting boot images...
 .treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB  00:00:00
 setting up update...
 fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct
 finding updates 100% 
 []
 WARNING: potential problems with upgrade
pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires 
 libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 (replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686)
pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires 
 itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 (replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch)
 verify local files 100% 
 [=]
 celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB  00:01:05 ETA
 libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED - 
 ] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB  00:00:50 ETA
 app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED 
 =-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB  
 00:00:00 ETA
 (1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99% 
 [==-] 316 kB/s |  
 24 MB  00:00:00 ETA
 Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages.
libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more 
 mirrors to try.
celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
 You seem to have several non-standard repos enabled.  libdvdcss comes from 
 the remi repository, for example.

 You may want to disable all those and try again before doing a reinstall.

 These are all F20 repos, what would they have to do with F21 ?

 churchyard-chromium-russianfedora-tested.repo
  google-talkplugin.repo
 rpmfusion-free.repo
 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo
 fedora.repo
 infinality.repo
 rpmfusion-free-updates.repo
 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.repo
 fedora-updates.repo
 livna.repo
  rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo
 fedora-updates-testing.repo
 postinstallerf.repo
 rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide.repo
 fedy.repo


fedup tries to update from all enabled repos.

I would disable

churchyard-chromium-russianfedora-tested.repo
google-talkplugin.repo
infinality.repo
livna.repo
postinstallerf.repo
fedy.repo

and try again.  rpmfusion is pretty good at keeping their stuff up-to-date and 
in good shape so I would leave those enabled.




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Re: OT: temperature spec for ATI Fire GL 4900?

2015-06-18 Thread Dave Stevens

Quoting Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com:


On 06/19/15 05:34, Dave Stevens wrote:


I can see the temperature but the specs don't show a normal range,  
anyone know where to find the operating temperature design range  
for this GPU?


If the official AMD documents don't specify the temperature range,  
you can consider typing ati firegl v4900 temperature in a google  
search and find article like this one  
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amd_firepro_v4900num=9  
to see what others have experienced.


Thanks, Ed. Saw the article but somehow missed that page; just what I wanted.

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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
 (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as
 soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user
 mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with
 enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to
 no effect.)

 -- 
 do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome??
maybe you didn't allow enough space for root..

does # df -h
show enough space in root?
you might try installing a lightweight DM like LXDE or XFCE4..

if you can get in as single user you might look at journalctl to see
what happened when it locks up


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Re: [389-users] _cl5CompactDBs: failed to compact

2015-06-18 Thread Noriko Hosoi

Hi Andrey,

On 06/18/2015 01:23 AM, Ivanov Andrey (M.) wrote:

Hi,

we are using the branch 1.3.2 on CentOS7 in our production environment 
(version 1.3.2.27 with some additional patches from the git of this 
branch).
There are three MMR replicating servers. It's one month of uptime and 
the servers wanted to trim the replication log. Here is what i've 
found in error log on each of them :


1st server:
[18/Jun/2015:08:04:31 +0200] - libdb: BDB2055 Lock table is out of 
available lock entries
May not matter, but could you please try increasing the value of this db 
config parameter?  The default value is 1.


   dn: cn=config,cn=ldbm database,cn=plugins,cn=config
   nsslapd-db-locks: 1

[18/Jun/2015:08:04:31 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - changelog program 
- _cl5CompactDBs: failed to compact 
a45fa684-f28d11e4-af27aa63-5121b7ef; db error - 12 Cannot allocate memory
I don't thing there is any problem even if the DBs are not compacted.  
It was introduced just to release the free pages in the db files.  But 
I'd also like to learn why the compact fails with ENOMEM here.


Thanks,
--noriko


2nd server:
[18/Jun/2015:08:10:34 +0200] - libdb: BDB2055 Lock table is out of 
available lock entries
[18/Jun/2015:08:10:34 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - changelog program 
- _cl5CompactDBs: failed to compact 
acb7e184-f28d11e4-9b13d240-c66923c8; db error - 12 Cannot allocate memory


3rd server:
[18/Jun/2015:08:18:10 +0200] - libdb: BDB2055 Lock table is out of 
available lock entries
[18/Jun/2015:08:18:10 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - changelog program 
- _cl5CompactDBs: failed to compact 
acb7e184-f28d11e4-8067eff8-b1ca763b; db error - 12 Cannot allocate memory


The changelog itself is not huge :
[root@ldap-ens]# ll -h /Local/dirsrv/var/lib/dirsrv/slapd-ens/changelogdb/
total 390M
-rw--- 1 ldap ldap 390M Jun 18 10:18 
a45fa684-f28d11e4-af27aa63-5121b7ef_5547be41.db
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldap ldap0 May 19 08:02 
a45fa684-f28d11e4-af27aa63-5121b7ef.sema

-rw--- 1 ldap ldap   30 May  4 20:45 DBVERSION

The server are working correctky, the replication is also working

What are the potential consequences of this error? How can we avoid it?

Thank you!


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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 18.06.2015, Matthew Woehlke wrote: 

 I don't know offhand how to set up serial login

Set up the console and output in grub.cfg:

serial --speed=115200 --unit=0 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1
terminal_input serial
terminal_output serial

Then tell the kernel to use it (grub.cfg, as a kernel parameter):

console=tty0 console=ttyUSB0

Now, you just have to connect another PC to the serial port of your
machine. Reboot, and fire up minicom or something similar, and you'll
get a login screen (and the redirected output).

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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
 (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as
 soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user
 mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with
 enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to
 no effect.)

  do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome??
 maybe you didn't allow enough space for root..

Does TTY count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I
can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to
know how to change that.

BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills
the system.

 does # df -h
 show enough space in root?

  /  108G
  /boot  336M
  /boot/efi   55M
  /var   119G
  /home  881G

New system, remember? There's nothing on it but the initial install
(modulo updates). I haven't even gotten to installing additional
software that I'll eventually want, because the system is unusable ATM.

 if you can get in as single user you might look at journalctl to see
 what happened when it locks up

Hmm... is it expected that there are no entries *at all* for the last
few boots? The only entries I have are for June 5. (And yes, my system
date is correct: June 18.) Anyway, I have no idea what I'd be looking for.

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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 12:54, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
 I just installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. The
 Live CD seemed to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, it
 (almost¹) invariably freezes when I try to log in. The machine is
 effectively unusable as a result.

HEY! Turns out I *really can't log in*!

I managed to persuade the machine to bring the network up on startup,
and *I can't log in remotely either*. Same symptoms; as soon as I try,
the machine locks up. KDM remains more or less responsive, but TTY
switching, which would otherwise work, results in a permanently black
screen.

Oh... and /var/log/messages isn't actually just unhelpful, it's
*corrupt*... both less and vi show a bunch of '^@' special characters
where recent log entries ought to be. I have (many) entries from June 5,
then one or two fragments from June 14 and again from today... but
literally just a few lines, *nothing* like the hundreds of lines I
*should* have from a normal boot-up.

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey



On 06/18/2015 05:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote:

Fedora upgrade 20 - 21

Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?


It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from 
a properly-configured repository.  (As examples, there are special 
repos for Adobe and for Google Earth, and if you have them set up, 
they'll be included in the upgrade.)  Is there a particular reason you 
thought that it wouldn't, or are you just trying to be careful?



Trying to be careful.
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Dan Mossor

On 06/18/2015 03:52 PM, Mickey wrote:

Fedora upgrade 20 - 21

Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?

Yes. You will need to use the following command:

# fedup --network 21 --product non-product

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff

On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote:

Fedora upgrade 20 - 21

Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?


It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from a 
properly-configured repository.  (As examples, there are special repos 
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included in the upgrade.)  Is there a particular reason you thought that 
it wouldn't, or are you just trying to be careful?

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Temlakos

On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote:

Fedora upgrade 20 - 21

Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?


Sure, it will. But: for the F20 - F21 upgrade only, you must pass 
--product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21-F22), just do it 
without having to pass that flag.


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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff

On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

Hmm... is it expected that there are no entries*at all*  for the last
few boots? The only entries I have are for June 5. (And yes, my system
date is correct: June 18.) Anyway, I have no idea what I'd be looking for.


If memory serves, most of the file system isn't mounted in single-user 
mode.  You can use this to mount everything once you've gotten to a 
command line:


mount -a

Once you've done that, you can go to your regular user's home directory:

cd /home/$USER

and examine the hidden file .xsession-errors to see if X even started, 
and why it crashed.  Just remember, you'll be running as root, so be 
very, very careful about deleting files.  (My preference when I have to 
do things like this is to rename them instead of deleting them, although 
it's easy to forget to clean up later.  Still, it's better than nuking 
something that you really, really needed.)

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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

(¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as
soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user
mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with
enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to
no effect.)


  do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome??
maybe you didn't allow enough space for root..


Does TTY count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I
can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to
know how to change that.

BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills
the system.


Then you definitely have a graphics issue. Bring it up in single user
mode and have a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see if there's
anything that might point to an issue. I had an issue on one machine
with nouveau on a specific video card. Using an nVidia binary blob
driver overcame that.


does # df -h
show enough space in root?


   /  108G
   /boot  336M
   /boot/efi   55M
   /var   119G
   /home  881G

New system, remember? There's nothing on it but the initial install
(modulo updates). I haven't even gotten to installing additional
software that I'll eventually want, because the system is unusable ATM.


if you can get in as single user you might look at journalctl to see
what happened when it locks up


Hmm... is it expected that there are no entries *at all* for the last
few boots? The only entries I have are for June 5. (And yes, my system
date is correct: June 18.) Anyway, I have no idea what I'd be looking for.


If it croaked before the log entries got flushed to disk, yeah, that's
possible. By default, syncs to disk occur every five minutes so if 
journald or systemd seize up before that period, you have no logs. Yet

another stupid idea forced on us by the systemd/journald idiocy.
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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote:
 On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
 On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
 (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as
 soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in
 single-user
 mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with
 enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to
 no effect.)

   do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome??
 maybe you didn't allow enough space for root..

 Does TTY count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I
 can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to
 know how to change that.

 BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills
 the system.
 
 Then you definitely have a graphics issue. Bring it up in single user
 mode and have a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see if there's
 anything that might point to an issue. I had an issue on one machine
 with nouveau on a specific video card. Using an nVidia binary blob
 driver overcame that.

It's an AMD (GPU, not CPU). Anyway, I am allergic to proprietary
software :-).

Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me.
~user/.xsession-errors is empty.

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Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey

Fedora upgrade 20 - 21

Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey



On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote:

Fedora upgrade 20 - 21

Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?


Sure, it will. But: for the F20 - F21 upgrade only, you must pass 
--product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21-F22), just do it 
without having to pass that flag.


Temlakos


A little confused.

fedup --network 21 --product non-product  or   fedup --product = 
non-product, which one ?


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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 06/18/2015 02:22 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 05:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote:

Fedora upgrade 20 - 21

Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?


It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from
a properly-configured repository.  (As examples, there are special
repos for Adobe and for Google Earth, and if you have them set up,
they'll be included in the upgrade.)  Is there a particular reason you
thought that it wouldn't, or are you just trying to be careful?



Trying to be careful.


Good. Make a COMPLETE backup first, then use

$ sudo fedup --product=nonproduct --network 21

Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait
for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-)
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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

(¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as
soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in
single-user
mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with
enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to
no effect.)


   do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome??
maybe you didn't allow enough space for root..


Does TTY count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I
can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to
know how to change that.

BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills
the system.


Then you definitely have a graphics issue. Bring it up in single user
mode and have a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see if there's
anything that might point to an issue. I had an issue on one machine
with nouveau on a specific video card. Using an nVidia binary blob
driver overcame that.


It's an AMD (GPU, not CPU). Anyway, I am allergic to proprietary
software :-).

Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me.
~user/.xsession-errors is empty.


If it makes you feel any better or gives you hope:

[root@hamster log]# cat /etc/issue
Fedora release 21 (Twenty One)
Kernel \r on an \m (\l)

[root@hamster log]# uname -r
4.0.4-201.fc21.x86_64
[root@hamster log]# lspci | grep VGA
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 
[AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4200]


[root@hamster log]# grep ATI Xorg.0.log
[64.198] (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets:
ATI Radeon Mobility X600 (M24) 3150 (PCIE), ATI FireMV 2400 (PCI),
ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M24) 3152 (PCIE),
ATI FireGL M24 GL 3154 (PCIE), ATI FireMV 2400 3155 (PCI),
ATI Radeon X600 (RV380) 3E50 (PCIE),
ATI FireGL V3200 (RV380) 3E54 (PCIE), ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136,
ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137, ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX AF (AGP),
ATI FireGL Z1 AG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800SE AH (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9800 AI (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AJ (AGP),
ATI FireGL X2 AK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9600SE AQ (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600XT AR (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9600 AS (AGP), ATI FireGL T2 AT (AGP), ATI Radeon 9650,
ATI FireGL RV360 AV (AGP), ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237,
ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BB (AGP), ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336,
ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337,
ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP 4437, ATI Radeon 9000/PRO If (AGP/PCI),
ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JH (AGP),
ATI Radeon X800PRO (R420) JI (AGP),
ATI Radeon X800SE (R420) JJ (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JK (AGP),
ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JL (AGP), ATI FireGL X3 (R420) JM (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9800 (M18) JN (AGP),
ATI Radeon X800 SE (R420) (AGP), ATI Radeon X800XT (R420) JP (AGP),
ATI Radeon X800 VE (R420) JT (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 (R480) (AGP),
ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480) (AGP),
ATI Radeon X850 PRO (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (R480) (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP),
ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7 LX (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ (AGP),
ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9) Ld (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lf (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lg (AGP), ATI FireMV 2400 PCI,
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9600TX NF (AGP), ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 NI (AGP),
ATI FireGL X2 NK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800XT NJ (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 (M10/M11) NP (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NQ (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11) NR (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NS (AGP),
ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10) NT (AGP),
ATI FireGL Mobility T2e (M11) NV (AGP), ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP),
ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP), ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP/PCI),
ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP/PCI),
ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP/PCI), ATI ES1000 515E (PCI),
ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M22) 5460 (PCIE),
ATI Radeon Mobility X600 SE (M24C) 5462 (PCIE),
ATI FireGL M22 GL 5464 (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 (R423) UH (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X800PRO (R423) UI (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X800LE (R423) UJ (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X800SE (R423) UK (PCIE),
ATI Radeon X800 XTP 

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Temlakos

On 06/18/2015 05:31 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote:

Fedora upgrade 20 - 21

Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?


Sure, it will. But: for the F20 - F21 upgrade only, you must pass 
--product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21-F22), just do it 
without having to pass that flag.


Temlakos


A little confused.

fedup --network 21 --product non-product  or   fedup --product = 
non-product, which one ?



The first one. Execute

fedup --network21 --product non-product

as a superuser, then reboot.

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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff

On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me.
~user/.xsession-errors is empty.


That would probably tell us quite a bit if we knew just when in the 
session the file gets created.  Alas, I don't, but maybe somebody else 
will.  There should also be a ~/.xsession-errors.old and with luck, it 
might have something in it.

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff

On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait
for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-)


And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles!
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey



On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 06/18/2015 05:31 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote:

Fedora upgrade 20 - 21

Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?


Sure, it will. But: for the F20 - F21 upgrade only, you must pass 
--product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21-F22), just do 
it without having to pass that flag.


Temlakos


A little confused.

fedup --network 21 --product non-product  or   fedup --product = 
non-product, which one ?



The first one. Execute

fedup --network21 --product non-product

as a superuser, then reboot.

Temlakos



BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy.

I have  customize partitions , a  /  and a  /home partitions .

is this any problem for Fedup ?

I have always done a Fresh Install and never had any problems with my 
/home partition because I never formatted it like I did my / partition.

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff

On 06/18/2015 03:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so
I had special powers and could get by with dark blue candles and only
having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to
work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue
ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-)


For those of you too young to remember, it used to be said that you 
needed three terminations to get a SCSI chain to work: one on each end, 
plus the goat you had to sacrifice; and always use BLACK candles!

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OT: temperature spec for ATI Fire GL 4900?

2015-06-18 Thread Dave Stevens


I can see the temperature but the specs don't show a normal range,  
anyone know where to find the operating temperature design range for  
this GPU?


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Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

(¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as
soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in
single-user
mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with
enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to
no effect.)


   do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome??
maybe you didn't allow enough space for root..


Does TTY count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I
can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to
know how to change that.

BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills
the system.


Then you definitely have a graphics issue. Bring it up in single user
mode and have a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see if there's
anything that might point to an issue. I had an issue on one machine
with nouveau on a specific video card. Using an nVidia binary blob
driver overcame that.


It's an AMD (GPU, not CPU). Anyway, I am allergic to proprietary
software :-).

Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me.
~user/.xsession-errors is empty.


Maybe we can catch log entries before it completely dies. Bring the
system up in single user mode, then edit /etc/systemd/journald.conf.
Find the line:

#ForwardToSyslog=no

Change it to:

ForwardToSyslog=yes

and save the file. This should cause journald to forward log entries
to the old system logger. Reboot and force the crash. Hopefully, the
messages will get logged to /var/log/messages before you lose the log
daemon.

Reboot again to single user mode and look at /var/log/messages to see
if you caught it. Change the line in /etc/systemd/journald.conf back
to put things back the way they were.

NOTE: I've not tried this myself. Others have told me it works and I'm
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Re: OT: temperature spec for ATI Fire GL 4900?

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/19/15 05:34, Dave Stevens wrote:

 I can see the temperature but the specs don't show a normal range, anyone 
 know where to find the operating temperature design range for this GPU?

If the official AMD documents don't specify the temperature range, you can 
consider typing ati firegl v4900 temperature in a google search and find 
article like this one 
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amd_firepro_v4900num=9 to 
see what others have experienced.

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff

On 06/18/2015 02:57 PM, Mickey wrote:

BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy.


Backing up before doing a system upgrade is simply common sense.  And, 
what you really need to back up is /home.  Yes, having on a separate 
partition is a good idea, and you can reinstall if needed without 
reformatting it, but it's still better to be safe than sorry.

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait
for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-)


And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles!


I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so
I had special powers and could get by with dark blue candles and only
having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to
work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue
ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-)

I was also incredibly stupid back then, so I mistakenly volunteered and
got stuffed onto the ANSI C committee as well. At least that had the
silliness of PJ Plaugher of Whitesmiths on the committee, too:

Under Bugs on the Whitesmiths' C users' guide for onexit() (their
library's version of what became atexit()):

The type declarations defy description and are still wrong.

And under Bugs for cpystr() (their version of strcpy()):

Forgetting the terminating null is mildly perilous.

PJ was nothing if not, uhm, clever. :-p
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey



On 06/18/2015 06:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/18/2015 02:57 PM, Mickey wrote:

BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy.


Backing up before doing a system upgrade is simply common sense. And, 
what you really need to back up is /home.  Yes, having on a separate 
partition is a good idea, and you can reinstall if needed without 
reformatting it, but it's still better to be safe than sorry.



You do have a point.
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff

On 06/18/2015 03:07 PM, Mickey wrote:

You do have a point.


Yes, I know I do.  That's why I usually wear a hat so that nobody notices.
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey



On 06/18/2015 06:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait
for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-)


And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles!


I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so
I had special powers and could get by with dark blue candles and only
having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to
work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue
ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-)

I was also incredibly stupid back then, so I mistakenly volunteered and
got stuffed onto the ANSI C committee as well. At least that had the
silliness of PJ Plaugher of Whitesmiths on the committee, too:

Under Bugs on the Whitesmiths' C users' guide for onexit() (their
library's version of what became atexit()):

The type declarations defy description and are still wrong.

And under Bugs for cpystr() (their version of strcpy()):

Forgetting the terminating null is mildly perilous.

PJ was nothing if not, uhm, clever. :-p
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey



On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
fedup --network21 --product non-product 


ERROR Message;

# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose 
from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')


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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Temlakos

On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
fedup --network21 --product non-product 


ERROR Message;

# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' 
(choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')




Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify nonproduct as one 
word.


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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey



On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
fedup --network21 --product non-product 


ERROR Message;

# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' 
(choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')




Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify nonproduct as 
one word.


Temlakos


# fedup --network 21 nonproduct
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct



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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Dan Mossor

On 06/18/2015 06:40 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:

fedup --network21 --product non-product


ERROR Message;

# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
(choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')



Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify nonproduct as
one word.

Temlakos


# fedup --network 21 nonproduct
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct




# fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct

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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 06/18/2015 04:09 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 06:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait
for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-)


And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles!


I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so
I had special powers and could get by with dark blue candles and only
having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to
work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue
ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-)

I was also incredibly stupid back then, so I mistakenly volunteered and
got stuffed onto the ANSI C committee as well. At least that had the
silliness of PJ Plaugher of Whitesmiths on the committee, too:

Under Bugs on the Whitesmiths' C users' guide for onexit() (their
library's version of what became atexit()):

The type declarations defy description and are still wrong.

And under Bugs for cpystr() (their version of strcpy()):

Forgetting the terminating null is mildly perilous.

PJ was nothing if not, uhm, clever. :-p



Rick do you remember the old S100 bus on computers, it was very
important to have the bus terminated ?


Sure do! I had several Altair 8800s. My first one was serial number
3 that I bought directly from Ed Roberts at MITS in Albuquerque.
The motherboards came in 4-slot chunks and you had to jumper them
together with 100 2 long wires. Fully expanded, you had 18 motherboard
slots. Power supply was woefully undersized at only about 12A for the
8V bus. Not nearly enough.

Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some
company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that
was much better than just passive resistors, but stability also
depended on how well designed the daughter cards were. Some had very
weak bus drivers that couldn't reliably drive the bus once it had a
number of cards on it.

And remember, the fastest processor you could get back then was the
Zilog Z80 at a mind-bending (wait for it..) 4MHz! The standard
Intel 8080 was 2MHz and the 8085 theoretically could run at 3MHz, but I
never saw a stable one at that speed. I did see the LSI 9080 run at 3MHz
pretty solidly, but they were pretty rare.

I also had two IMSAI 8080s (22-slot motherboards), a Polymorphic 88,
a Processor Tech Sol 20, Vector Graphic V80 and lots of others. I had
ASR and KSR 33 teletypes (the ASRs had paper tape punches and readers),
Tarbell cassette adapters, DEC VT100 terminals, ICOM floppies (later
replaced with Micropolis drives when I went to work for them) and lots
of other bits and pieces. This was back in, let's see, 1977 or 1978.

Interesting tidbit: The S100 connector was chosen by Ed Roberts at
MITS because he bought a job lot of them (about 1000) as surplus, dirt
cheap. Since MITS was the first in the industry, that standard stuck.
Weird but true!

And yes, I am that farking old. I fart dust. :-)
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Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:



On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:

fedup --network21 --product non-product


ERROR Message;

# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
(choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')



Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify nonproduct as
one word.

Temlakos


# fedup --network 21 nonproduct
usage: fedup SOURCE [options]
fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct


The command is:

fedup --product nonproduct --network 21

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Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering fi in olde english?

2015-06-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Ahmad Samir wrote:

 On 17 June 2015 at 18:02, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote:
  On Wed, 17 Jun 2015, Dave Stevens wrote:
 
  On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:46:45 -0400 (EDT)
  Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote:
 
  
 ok, maybe not old english, but recently, my wiki pages suddenly
   started rendering the two-character string fi as some weird,
   stylized m with a curved stroke above it (can't remember what that's
   called).
  
 i'm on fully-updated fedora rawhide, so it might be a fedora thing,
   it might be a font thing, it might be a firefox thing, i have no idea.
  
 has anyone else seen this? here's a sample page where this happens
   throughout:
  
   http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Git_config
  
 the very first line -- the title Git config -- renders the fi in
   config as i described above, and it does that throughout the page.
   thoughts?
 
  not really, not happening on my U14.04 box with Firefox 38
 
depending on whether this mailing list allows attachments at all, i
  attached a tiny (2.2K) image, showing the bullet list items
 
   * using the reflog
   * workflows
 
  where you can see the string fl is also rendered weirdly. of course,
  if this ML strips attachments, that's not going to help.
 
  rday
 

 I saw a similar issue after updating to dejavu-sans-fonts-2.35-1.fc22,
 fl was rendered weirdly.

  precisely what i'm seeing.

 However, checking again now the issue seems to be fixed.

 When was the last time you restarted your system?

  i don't think i *had* restarted my system since this started, but i
just killed and restarted firefox (again) and everything is suddenly
fine. so ... carry on.

rday

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[389-users] _cl5CompactDBs: failed to compact

2015-06-18 Thread Ivanov Andrey (M.)
Hi, 

we are using the branch 1.3.2 on CentOS7 in our production environment (version 
1.3.2.27 with some additional patches from the git of this branch). 
There are three MMR replicating servers. It's one month of uptime and the 
servers wanted to trim the replication log. Here is what i've found in error 
log on each of them : 

1st server: 
[18/Jun/2015:08:04:31 +0200] - libdb: BDB2055 Lock table is out of available 
lock entries 
[18/Jun/2015:08:04:31 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - changelog program - 
_cl5CompactDBs: failed to compact a45fa684-f28d11e4-af27aa63-5121b7ef; db error 
- 12 Cannot allocate memory 

2nd server: 
[18/Jun/2015:08:10:34 +0200] - libdb: BDB2055 Lock table is out of available 
lock entries 
[18/Jun/2015:08:10:34 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - changelog program - 
_cl5CompactDBs: failed to compact acb7e184-f28d11e4-9b13d240-c66923c8; db error 
- 12 Cannot allocate memory 

3rd server: 
[18/Jun/2015:08:18:10 +0200] - libdb: BDB2055 Lock table is out of available 
lock entries 
[18/Jun/2015:08:18:10 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - changelog program - 
_cl5CompactDBs: failed to compact acb7e184-f28d11e4-8067eff8-b1ca763b; db error 
- 12 Cannot allocate memory 

The changelog itself is not huge : 
[root@ldap-ens]# ll -h /Local/dirsrv/var/lib/dirsrv/slapd-ens/changelogdb/ 
total 390M 
-rw--- 1 ldap ldap 390M Jun 18 10:18 
a45fa684-f28d11e4-af27aa63-5121b7ef_5547be41.db 
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldap ldap 0 May 19 08:02 a45fa684-f28d11e4-af27aa63-5121b7ef.sema 
-rw--- 1 ldap ldap 30 May 4 20:45 DBVERSION 

The server are working correctky, the replication is also working 

What are the potential consequences of this error? How can we avoid it? 

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Problems with journalctl

2015-06-18 Thread Dave Cross
It appears that journalctl isn't set up correctly on my system. It
doesn't seem to be registering each boot correctly.

$ journalctl --list-boots
 0 67279b3d530040d997694f7fc89ec7de Thu 2015-03-19 07:04:29 GMT—Sat 2015-03-21 1

And I've rebooted the system many, many times since March.

Also:

$ journalctl -b -1
Failed to look up boot -1: Cannot assign requested address

I have a /var/log/journal directory

$ ls -l /var/log/journal
total 28
drwxr-sr-x+ 2 root systemd-journal 20480 Jun 18 09:34
cbed8c34efb340afbf91f264e57b8278

And (somewhere) log data has been kept back to December 2012.

$ journalctl
-- Logs begin at Fri 2014-12-12 07:55:40 GMT, end at Thu 2015-06-18
09:44:18 BST. --
...

I'd like to be able to see all of the system boots and easily access
logs from a particular boot.

Any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem?

Thanks,

Dave...

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Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering fi in olde english?

2015-06-18 Thread Rolf Turner

On 18/06/15 19:03, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Ahmad Samir wrote:


SNIP


When was the last time you restarted your system?


   i don't think i *had* restarted my system since this started, but i
just killed and restarted firefox (again) and everything is suddenly
fine. so ... carry on.


When in doubt, reboot.

cheers,

Rolf Turner

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Re: Problems with journalctl

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/18/15 16:45, Dave Cross wrote:
 It appears that journalctl isn't set up correctly on my system. It
 doesn't seem to be registering each boot correctly.

 $ journalctl --list-boots
  0 67279b3d530040d997694f7fc89ec7de Thu 2015-03-19 07:04:29 GMT—Sat 
 2015-03-21 1

 And I've rebooted the system many, many times since March.

 Also:

 $ journalctl -b -1
 Failed to look up boot -1: Cannot assign requested address

 I have a /var/log/journal directory

 $ ls -l /var/log/journal
 total 28
 drwxr-sr-x+ 2 root systemd-journal 20480 Jun 18 09:34
 cbed8c34efb340afbf91f264e57b8278

 And (somewhere) log data has been kept back to December 2012.

 $ journalctl
 -- Logs begin at Fri 2014-12-12 07:55:40 GMT, end at Thu 2015-06-18
 09:44:18 BST. --
 ...

 I'd like to be able to see all of the system boots and easily access
 logs from a particular boot.

 Any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem?

I have no suggestion as to how to fix thisbut I will say I'm now notice 
something similar...

-4 69ffd60eab5d4724a2f80c66ad6e6ff5 Thu 2015-03-26 08:26:10 CST—Thu 2015-04-02 0

-3 fc2edbbbf1194af3b710f654a5f94618 Thu 2015-04-02 08:27:06 CST—Sun 2015-04-05 1

-2 d23797f203454dcabb6513fd62142477 Fri 2015-05-15 09:44:40 CST—Mon 2015-05-18 1

-1 6720637454a64a4b9374a6a359d3e51d Mon 2015-05-18 10:34:52 CST—Tue 2015-05-19 0

0 029735aa965b4f82aa77b89e9cefa1da Tue 2015-05-19 07:47:16 CST—Wed 2015-05-20 0


But I have booted many times since 2015-05-19 and yet I do find previous boots 
like so

[root@meimei ~]# journalctl -b -3 | more

-- Logs begin at Sun 2013-08-18 10:45:50 CST, end at Thu 2015-06-18 17:16:31 
CST.

Jun 16 09:46:48 meimei systemd-journal[124]: Runtime journal is using 8.0M (max 
allowed 398.6M, trying to leave 598.0M free of 3.8G available → current limit 
398.6M).

Jun 16 09:46:48 meimei systemd-journal[124]: Runtime journal is using 8.0M (max 
allowed 398.6M, trying to leave 598.0M free of 3.8G available → current limit 
398.6M).

Jun 16 09:46:48 meimei kernel: CPU0 microcode updated early to revision 0x7, 
date



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Re: Problems with journalctl

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/18/15 16:45, Dave Cross wrote:
 It appears that journalctl isn't set up correctly on my system. It
 doesn't seem to be registering each boot correctly.

 $ journalctl --list-boots
  0 67279b3d530040d997694f7fc89ec7de Thu 2015-03-19 07:04:29 GMT—Sat 
 2015-03-21 1

 And I've rebooted the system many, many times since March.


 Any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem?

FWIW, I found this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1095962 and have 
asked if it should be reopened.


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Re: turn off monitors when logged out

2015-06-18 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2015-06-17 at 12:11 -0500, SternData wrote:
 Why oh why is this so hard?
  
 It used to work, pre-F22.

I've not used anything beyond Fedora 20, yet.  But the settings for my
login have never been applied to anything once I've logged out.  And why
should they, I'm not logged in.

It could be that some other desktops (I use Gnome or Mate) may allow you
to configure default system settings as well as your own.  If they asked
you to provide a root password when setting the configuration, it seems
likely.

As far as screen savers go, yes it was annoying about losing the slide
shows, but I got them back with mate and Fedora 20 (at least).  I may as
well get some entertainment from my computer while it's sitting on my
desk not really doing much.  And for those who have computers in a
business setting, it was a simple way to run random product adverts.

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Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering fi in olde english?

2015-06-18 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2015-06-17 at 12:15 -0400, Fred Smith wrote:
 do you, perhaps, have your firefox configured to use fonts other
 than those called for by the web page? 

From the problem description, it's probably more likely to be a browser
configuration about content-encoding, than which fonts.

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Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering fi in olde english?

2015-06-18 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2015-06-17 at 18:19 -0400, Fred Smith wrote:
 Does have the correct locale/language settings? Look in EDIT/
 PREFERENCES/CONTENT and click choose. 

That setting doesn't do what you think it does.

It allows you to set a option in your browser which will tell websites
which languages you can read, and which ones you prefer - this
information is sent to webservers in the request headers for any pages
it fetches.  *If* the website is multi-lingual, it could automatically
serve you the pages that suit your preferences.  Though, those few sites
that are multilingual, rarely actually make use of the (content
negotiation) feature - they get you to click on a link to change to a
different language, and use cookies to preserve that choice during the
browsing session.

As far as dealing with websites which have the wrong encoding (i.e. they
say one thing, but actually provide another), or simply don't declare
what encoding they use (and it's different from the presumed US-ASCII),
you have a different configuration for setting the default character
encoding.  And there used to be a menu setting for changing the current
page decoding, without changing defaults.

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